Re: [kictanet] #KEDebate13
Alice Best, I was lurking in the shadows until I took note that the landmark debate in question has not been given 'kipao mbele' here. If I could raise 'hue and cry', that ICT wasn't given the due mileage in that debate, then we could sensitize candidates before the next one that, this is a driver of the current and future economy. Meanwhile, just noticed all the well articulated positions had little or non to borrow from the debate we had a while back here quizzing Dr. Ndemo as a 'future' candidate. If you ask me, the aspirants would benefit a lot from his insights that he widely shared here. Maybe at a consultancy fee..? Just me.. Harry Alice Munyua <alice@apc.org> wrote:
Indeed, Kudos to the media for a job well done. I recall a tweet from Ndemo that morning suggesting that all Kenyans should read the manifestos before the debate so we judge candidates based on their concrete plans and their responses to questions rather than other considerations (e.g. tribal persuasions). I thought this was an interesting prompting and went out in search of the manifestos online....to my disappointment, I only found 2 manifestos...CORD and JUBILEE!!!. None of the others exist online, unless I missed them. Are the other parties embracing the "digital world"? If anyone has electronic copies of the other 6 manifestos, please share on the list Listers, What should be different in Debate No 2? Edith -----Original Message----- From: kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.ca@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Harry Delano Sent: February 13, 2013 9:20 AM To: Edith Adera Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] #KEDebate13 Alice Best, I was lurking in the shadows until I took note that the landmark debate in question has not been given 'kipao mbele' here. If I could raise 'hue and cry', that ICT wasn't given the due mileage in that debate, then we could sensitize candidates before the next one that, this is a driver of the current and future economy. Meanwhile, just noticed all the well articulated positions had little or non to borrow from the debate we had a while back here quizzing Dr. Ndemo as a 'future' candidate. If you ask me, the aspirants would benefit a lot from his insights that he widely shared here. Maybe at a consultancy fee..? Just me.. Harry Alice Munyua <alice@apc.org<mailto:alice@apc.org>> wrote:
Kudos to the media for organising our first ever presidential debate.
It was an important milestone. Very interesting, dealt with real
issues and was also quite entertaining.
Best
Alice
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I was equally delighted to listen to the candidates. However, I should say I was disappointed more because of the quality of answers. I might have missed a bit of it as i struggled to watch it online (I eventually decided to listen instead, thanks to live streaming by Capital!), but the guys were not articulate enough and struggled to convince me that they grasp the issues affecting Kenyans. Beyond the mere demagoguery, I did not hear concrete answers on how they would deal with education, health and social problems. Perhaps I was expecting too much. But this was definitely a good start. Just tongue-in-cheek. Do we need manifestos when they are merely 'pieces of paper'? How do we hold the guys and the parties to account if they fail to deliver? They merely use manifestos as campaign tools, with no intention of fulfilling whatever they have on those papers. I am being cynical because there is no way the 'bigger' boys (to use Raila's words) are going to implement policies of land (distribution), (absolutely) free education. They are merely pulling wool over our eyes and we should be more critical of these, and perhaps use them to determine the way we vote and of course their fate. Unfortunately, many of us do not have the capacity to digest and understand the manifestos. Very unfortunate indeed. Dr George Nyabuga Tel: +230 403 51 00 Head, Communications and PR, AFRINIC Fax: +230 466 67 58 george@afrinic.net - www.afrinic.net ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Please join us at the Africa Internet Summit, Lusaka, Zambia, 9 – 21 June 2013 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Feb 13, 2013, at 11:10 AM, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.ca> wrote:
In my opinion so long as parties are panel beaten affairs that are simply vehicles used to get to power then we can forget about issue based politics and any semblance of coherence of policies. As it is all the candidate parties are talking about the same thing. Build more infrastructure, pay civil servants well, reduce waste of public resources, implement the constitution, feed everyone for free, educate everyone for free, ensure universal security/healthcare etc. So as far as policies are concerned they are all the same and the Debate was not actually a debate but a Q/A session. There were no opposing views as to the way forward. No discussion about whether raising taxes or lowering them was the best plan for the economy post march , no discussion as to whether the 30% rule on local ownership of firms stands etc.. . Things that actually matter. On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 10:39 AM, George Nyabuga <george@afrinic.net> wrote:
-- Regards, Mark Mwangi markmwangi.me.ke
I think the media should have injected "think tanks" (research institutes) into the planning of the debate as some of these hard facts would have been incorporated and getting experts to challenge the proposals contained in their manifestos. Ghana used this approach and the lead agency that managed the debates was the Institute of Economic Affairs (IEA) working in partnership with the media. We have our own think tanks...the likes of IEA-Kenya, KIPPRA, Universities etc...institutions that have empirical evidence of what works and what doesn't who would have added flavour to the debate while also educating Kenyans to expose what can't work in some of the manifestos. Can these considerations be given for Debate 2? Edith From: kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.ca@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Mark Mwangi Sent: February 13, 2013 10:50 AM To: Edith Adera Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] #KEDebate13 In my opinion so long as parties are panel beaten affairs that are simply vehicles used to get to power then we can forget about issue based politics and any semblance of coherence of policies. As it is all the candidate parties are talking about the same thing. Build more infrastructure, pay civil servants well, reduce waste of public resources, implement the constitution, feed everyone for free, educate everyone for free, ensure universal security/healthcare etc. So as far as policies are concerned they are all the same and the Debate was not actually a debate but a Q/A session. There were no opposing views as to the way forward. No discussion about whether raising taxes or lowering them was the best plan for the economy post march , no discussion as to whether the 30% rule on local ownership of firms stands etc.. . Things that actually matter. On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 10:39 AM, George Nyabuga <george@afrinic.net<mailto:george@afrinic.net>> wrote: I was equally delighted to listen to the candidates. However, I should say I was disappointed more because of the quality of answers. I might have missed a bit of it as i struggled to watch it online (I eventually decided to listen instead, thanks to live streaming by Capital!), but the guys were not articulate enough and struggled to convince me that they grasp the issues affecting Kenyans. Beyond the mere demagoguery, I did not hear concrete answers on how they would deal with education, health and social problems. Perhaps I was expecting too much. But this was definitely a good start. Just tongue-in-cheek. Do we need manifestos when they are merely 'pieces of paper'? How do we hold the guys and the parties to account if they fail to deliver? They merely use manifestos as campaign tools, with no intention of fulfilling whatever they have on those papers. I am being cynical because there is no way the 'bigger' boys (to use Raila's words) are going to implement policies of land (distribution), (absolutely) free education. They are merely pulling wool over our eyes and we should be more critical of these, and perhaps use them to determine the way we vote and of course their fate. Unfortunately, many of us do not have the capacity to digest and understand the manifestos. Very unfortunate indeed. Dr George Nyabuga Tel: +230 403 51 00<tel:%2B230%20403%2051%2000> Head, Communications and PR, AFRINIC Fax: +230 466 67 58<tel:%2B230%C2%A0466%2067%2058> george@afrinic.net<mailto:george@afrinic.net> - www.afrinic.net<http://www.afrinic.net/> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Please join us at the Africa Internet Summit, Lusaka, Zambia, 9 - 21 June 2013 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Feb 13, 2013, at 11:10 AM, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.ca<mailto:eadera@idrc.ca>> wrote: Indeed, Kudos to the media for a job well done. I recall a tweet from Ndemo that morning suggesting that all Kenyans should read the manifestos before the debate so we judge candidates based on their concrete plans and their responses to questions rather than other considerations (e.g. tribal persuasions). I thought this was an interesting prompting and went out in search of the manifestos online....to my disappointment, I only found 2 manifestos...CORD and JUBILEE!!!. None of the others exist online, unless I missed them. Are the other parties embracing the "digital world"? If anyone has electronic copies of the other 6 manifestos, please share on the list Listers, What should be different in Debate No 2? Edith -----Original Message----- From: kictanet [mailto:kictanet-<mailto:kictanet->bounces+eadera=idrc.ca@lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:bounces+eadera=idrc.ca@lists.kictanet.or.ke>] On Behalf Of Harry Delano Sent: February 13, 2013 9:20 AM To: Edith Adera Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] #KEDebate13 Alice Best, I was lurking in the shadows until I took note that the landmark debate in question has not been given 'kipao mbele' here. If I could raise 'hue and cry', that ICT wasn't given the due mileage in that debate, then we could sensitize candidates before the next one that, this is a driver of the current and future economy. Meanwhile, just noticed all the well articulated positions had little or non to borrow from the debate we had a while back here quizzing Dr. Ndemo as a 'future' candidate. If you ask me, the aspirants would benefit a lot from his insights that he widely shared here. Maybe at a consultancy fee..? Just me.. Harry Alice Munyua <alice@apc.org<mailto:alice@apc.org>> wrote:
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George, What would you use to hold them to account? Their empty words? You will be surprised to learn that the women's movement, civil society movement and the masses brought Senegal's current President into power amidst the greatest odds...trying to unseat a POWERFUL incumbent that H.E. Wade was. But they did it. One of the things the movement did was to get the President to physically sign publicly a pledge (manifesto) of what he will do. To-date that's what is used to hold him accountable and remind him of what he promised ad signed to deliver for the people of Senegal. Why can't Kenyans hold their leaders to account in equal measure?....and what else would you use to do so other than what they have promised in "indelible ink"? It's when people like you make them think they can get away with empty words is when they do not give what they pledge the seriousness it deserves. We need to break away from our old mindsets. Edith From: George Nyabuga [mailto:george@afrinic.net] Sent: February 13, 2013 10:39 AM To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions; Edith Adera Subject: Re: [kictanet] #KEDebate13 I was equally delighted to listen to the candidates. However, I should say I was disappointed more because of the quality of answers. I might have missed a bit of it as i struggled to watch it online (I eventually decided to listen instead, thanks to live streaming by Capital!), but the guys were not articulate enough and struggled to convince me that they grasp the issues affecting Kenyans. Beyond the mere demagoguery, I did not hear concrete answers on how they would deal with education, health and social problems. Perhaps I was expecting too much. But this was definitely a good start. Just tongue-in-cheek. Do we need manifestos when they are merely 'pieces of paper'? How do we hold the guys and the parties to account if they fail to deliver? They merely use manifestos as campaign tools, with no intention of fulfilling whatever they have on those papers. I am being cynical because there is no way the 'bigger' boys (to use Raila's words) are going to implement policies of land (distribution), (absolutely) free education. They are merely pulling wool over our eyes and we should be more critical of these, and perhaps use them to determine the way we vote and of course their fate. Unfortunately, many of us do not have the capacity to digest and understand the manifestos. Very unfortunate indeed. Dr George Nyabuga Tel: +230 403 51 00 Head, Communications and PR, AFRINIC Fax: +230 466 67 58 george@afrinic.net<mailto:george@afrinic.net> - www.afrinic.net<http://www.afrinic.net/> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Please join us at the Africa Internet Summit, Lusaka, Zambia, 9 - 21 June 2013 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Feb 13, 2013, at 11:10 AM, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.ca<mailto:eadera@idrc.ca>> wrote: Indeed, Kudos to the media for a job well done. I recall a tweet from Ndemo that morning suggesting that all Kenyans should read the manifestos before the debate so we judge candidates based on their concrete plans and their responses to questions rather than other considerations (e.g. tribal persuasions). I thought this was an interesting prompting and went out in search of the manifestos online....to my disappointment, I only found 2 manifestos...CORD and JUBILEE!!!. None of the others exist online, unless I missed them. Are the other parties embracing the "digital world"? If anyone has electronic copies of the other 6 manifestos, please share on the list Listers, What should be different in Debate No 2? Edith -----Original Message----- From: kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.ca@lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:bounces+eadera=idrc.ca@lists.kictanet.or.ke>] On Behalf Of Harry Delano Sent: February 13, 2013 9:20 AM To: Edith Adera Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] #KEDebate13 Alice Best, I was lurking in the shadows until I took note that the landmark debate in question has not been given 'kipao mbele' here. If I could raise 'hue and cry', that ICT wasn't given the due mileage in that debate, then we could sensitize candidates before the next one that, this is a driver of the current and future economy. Meanwhile, just noticed all the well articulated positions had little or non to borrow from the debate we had a while back here quizzing Dr. Ndemo as a 'future' candidate. If you ask me, the aspirants would benefit a lot from his insights that he widely shared here. Maybe at a consultancy fee..? Just me.. Harry Alice Munyua <alice@apc.org<mailto:alice@apc.org>> wrote:
kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/eadera%40idrc.ca The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/george%40afrinic.net The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
Edith, Without making this a two-way exchange, remember I said this was a tongue-in-cheek comment. That, however, does not negate the crux of my contribution. I would have people think critically about statecraft. Ultimately of course the people hold the leaders to account, and can remove them from power but these mostly at election time. But in Kenya experience teaches us otherwise. Remember we celebrated the promulgation of the constitution, with chapter six dealing explicitly with leadership and integrity. What are seeing now? If we followed that strictly, none of the candidates (bar perhaps Kiyiapi and Diba!) would have stood. What we need beyond manifestos is a serious political culture change both for the leaders and the people. I am being pragmatic. Once these guys get to power, they realise there is little money to pay for education (and they promised free education where parents do not have to pay for anything - uniforms, books, even meals, etc.), free universal health care, defence, security, infrastructure development, etc. So they can promise (and even publicly sign) the manifestos but unless there is a miracle (and I don't really believe in miracles!), they will not achieve much due to budgetary constraints, and emerging challenges. Just being pragmatic although of course we need manifestos to spell out what the candidates, their political parties and, ultimately if they make it, government would do. But mostly it's easier said than do. Ask the bureaucrats and government mandarins in this list. George Dr George Nyabuga Tel: +230 403 51 00 Head, Communications and PR, AFRINIC Fax: +230 466 67 58 george@afrinic.net - www.afrinic.net ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Please join us at the Africa Internet Summit, Lusaka, Zambia, 9 – 21 June 2013 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Feb 13, 2013, at 11:52 AM, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.ca> wrote:
George, We need to be pragmatic at all levels, I agree - during elections...."tear those manifestos apart" with pragmatisms, facts and figures.....once in power hold them to account and remove them if necessary, but we do none of that as Kenyans. We're very self-centered and only act when it hits home hard (e.g. our families etc). We never stand up for the rights of the majority...that's the problem. In other countries they do....that's an important lesson for all of us as we move into the 2nd republic. I think it was in this list that Bwana Ndemo said that politicians are naturally "followers", but in Kenya it's the opposite! We allow them to control us rather than the other way round. Edith From: George Nyabuga [mailto:george@afrinic.net] Sent: February 13, 2013 11:21 AM To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions; Edith Adera Subject: Re: [kictanet] #KEDebate13 Edith, Without making this a two-way exchange, remember I said this was a tongue-in-cheek comment. That, however, does not negate the crux of my contribution. I would have people think critically about statecraft. Ultimately of course the people hold the leaders to account, and can remove them from power but these mostly at election time. But in Kenya experience teaches us otherwise. Remember we celebrated the promulgation of the constitution, with chapter six dealing explicitly with leadership and integrity. What are seeing now? If we followed that strictly, none of the candidates (bar perhaps Kiyiapi and Diba!) would have stood. What we need beyond manifestos is a serious political culture change both for the leaders and the people. I am being pragmatic. Once these guys get to power, they realise there is little money to pay for education (and they promised free education where parents do not have to pay for anything - uniforms, books, even meals, etc.), free universal health care, defence, security, infrastructure development, etc. So they can promise (and even publicly sign) the manifestos but unless there is a miracle (and I don't really believe in miracles!), they will not achieve much due to budgetary constraints, and emerging challenges. Just being pragmatic although of course we need manifestos to spell out what the candidates, their political parties and, ultimately if they make it, government would do. But mostly it's easier said than do. Ask the bureaucrats and government mandarins in this list. George Dr George Nyabuga Tel: +230 403 51 00 Head, Communications and PR, AFRINIC Fax: +230 466 67 58 george@afrinic.net<mailto:george@afrinic.net> - www.afrinic.net<http://www.afrinic.net/> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Please join us at the Africa Internet Summit, Lusaka, Zambia, 9 - 21 June 2013 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Feb 13, 2013, at 11:52 AM, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.ca<mailto:eadera@idrc.ca>> wrote: George, What would you use to hold them to account? Their empty words? You will be surprised to learn that the women's movement, civil society movement and the masses brought Senegal's current President into power amidst the greatest odds...trying to unseat a POWERFUL incumbent that H.E. Wade was. But they did it. One of the things the movement did was to get the President to physically sign publicly a pledge (manifesto) of what he will do. To-date that's what is used to hold him accountable and remind him of what he promised ad signed to deliver for the people of Senegal. Why can't Kenyans hold their leaders to account in equal measure?....and what else would you use to do so other than what they have promised in "indelible ink"? It's when people like you make them think they can get away with empty words is when they do not give what they pledge the seriousness it deserves. We need to break away from our old mindsets. Edith From: George Nyabuga [mailto:george@afrinic.net<http://afrinic.net>] Sent: February 13, 2013 10:39 AM To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions; Edith Adera Subject: Re: [kictanet] #KEDebate13 I was equally delighted to listen to the candidates. However, I should say I was disappointed more because of the quality of answers. I might have missed a bit of it as i struggled to watch it online (I eventually decided to listen instead, thanks to live streaming by Capital!), but the guys were not articulate enough and struggled to convince me that they grasp the issues affecting Kenyans. Beyond the mere demagoguery, I did not hear concrete answers on how they would deal with education, health and social problems. Perhaps I was expecting too much. But this was definitely a good start. Just tongue-in-cheek. Do we need manifestos when they are merely 'pieces of paper'? How do we hold the guys and the parties to account if they fail to deliver? They merely use manifestos as campaign tools, with no intention of fulfilling whatever they have on those papers. I am being cynical because there is no way the 'bigger' boys (to use Raila's words) are going to implement policies of land (distribution), (absolutely) free education. They are merely pulling wool over our eyes and we should be more critical of these, and perhaps use them to determine the way we vote and of course their fate. Unfortunately, many of us do not have the capacity to digest and understand the manifestos. Very unfortunate indeed. Dr George Nyabuga Tel: +230 403 51 00 Head, Communications and PR, AFRINIC Fax: +230 466 67 58 george@afrinic.net<mailto:george@afrinic.net> - www.afrinic.net<http://www.afrinic.net/> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Please join us at the Africa Internet Summit, Lusaka, Zambia, 9 - 21 June 2013 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Feb 13, 2013, at 11:10 AM, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.ca<mailto:eadera@idrc.ca>> wrote: Indeed, Kudos to the media for a job well done. I recall a tweet from Ndemo that morning suggesting that all Kenyans should read the manifestos before the debate so we judge candidates based on their concrete plans and their responses to questions rather than other considerations (e.g. tribal persuasions). I thought this was an interesting prompting and went out in search of the manifestos online....to my disappointment, I only found 2 manifestos...CORD and JUBILEE!!!. None of the others exist online, unless I missed them. Are the other parties embracing the "digital world"? If anyone has electronic copies of the other 6 manifestos, please share on the list Listers, What should be different in Debate No 2? Edith -----Original Message----- From: kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.ca@lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:bounces+eadera=idrc.ca@lists.kictanet.or.ke>] On Behalf Of Harry Delano Sent: February 13, 2013 9:20 AM To: Edith Adera Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] #KEDebate13 Alice Best, I was lurking in the shadows until I took note that the landmark debate in question has not been given 'kipao mbele' here. If I could raise 'hue and cry', that ICT wasn't given the due mileage in that debate, then we could sensitize candidates before the next one that, this is a driver of the current and future economy. Meanwhile, just noticed all the well articulated positions had little or non to borrow from the debate we had a while back here quizzing Dr. Ndemo as a 'future' candidate. If you ask me, the aspirants would benefit a lot from his insights that he widely shared here. Maybe at a consultancy fee..? Just me.. Harry Alice Munyua <alice@apc.org<mailto:alice@apc.org>> wrote:
kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/eadera%40idrc.ca The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options athttps://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/george%40afrinic.net The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
What really is the difference between the candidates? As @Mark has eloquently put it they all say what they think you want to hear without any fact or road map of how we are going to get there and what the time frames are. Political parties are just vehicles to get certain folks to power and nothing more, they stand for nothing and that's why they fall at anything. Only heard that Peter Kenneth's party KNC has been around since the beginning of multi party democracy but I know nothing about what they stand for so. Still early for us to go the manifesto route but empty rhetoric we should shun like saying we will create jobs without showing how they will they do it? The debate was a farce in my view too many candidates without any real difference in what they stand for. One thing for sure is that we are on the right path - if only we could rid ourselves off the big boys that the Prime Minister alluded to. The next session should be a debate not a Q&A. On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 9:54 AM, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.ca> wrote:
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In other jurisdictions, candidates are required, by law, to be party members for not less than 5 years for them to be eligible to stand for any election (no party hopping at the 11th hour or being a member of 2 parties). I understand in Kenya, parliamentarians removed that clause at the last minute! Stability in a party to some extent is a sign of budding together due to ideology and not survival as such....the likes of ANC (South Africa); NDC, NPP (Ghana) etc Edith From: kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.ca@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of kris njoroge Sent: February 13, 2013 12:50 PM To: Edith Adera Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] #KEDebate13 What really is the difference between the candidates? As @Mark has eloquently put it they all say what they think you want to hear without any fact or road map of how we are going to get there and what the time frames are. Political parties are just vehicles to get certain folks to power and nothing more, they stand for nothing and that's why they fall at anything. Only heard that Peter Kenneth's party KNC has been around since the beginning of multi party democracy but I know nothing about what they stand for so. Still early for us to go the manifesto route but empty rhetoric we should shun like saying we will create jobs without showing how they will they do it? The debate was a farce in my view too many candidates without any real difference in what they stand for. One thing for sure is that we are on the right path - if only we could rid ourselves off the big boys that the Prime Minister alluded to. The next session should be a debate not a Q&A. On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 9:54 AM, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.ca<mailto:eadera@idrc.ca>> wrote: George, We need to be pragmatic at all levels, I agree - during elections...."tear those manifestos apart" with pragmatisms, facts and figures.....once in power hold them to account and remove them if necessary, but we do none of that as Kenyans. We're very self-centered and only act when it hits home hard (e.g. our families etc). We never stand up for the rights of the majority...that's the problem. In other countries they do....that's an important lesson for all of us as we move into the 2nd republic. I think it was in this list that Bwana Ndemo said that politicians are naturally "followers", but in Kenya it's the opposite! We allow them to control us rather than the other way round. Edith From: George Nyabuga [mailto:george@afrinic.net<mailto:george@afrinic.net>] Sent: February 13, 2013 11:21 AM To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions; Edith Adera Subject: Re: [kictanet] #KEDebate13 Edith, Without making this a two-way exchange, remember I said this was a tongue-in-cheek comment. That, however, does not negate the crux of my contribution. I would have people think critically about statecraft. Ultimately of course the people hold the leaders to account, and can remove them from power but these mostly at election time. But in Kenya experience teaches us otherwise. Remember we celebrated the promulgation of the constitution, with chapter six dealing explicitly with leadership and integrity. What are seeing now? If we followed that strictly, none of the candidates (bar perhaps Kiyiapi and Diba!) would have stood. What we need beyond manifestos is a serious political culture change both for the leaders and the people. I am being pragmatic. Once these guys get to power, they realise there is little money to pay for education (and they promised free education where parents do not have to pay for anything - uniforms, books, even meals, etc.), free universal health care, defence, security, infrastructure development, etc. So they can promise (and even publicly sign) the manifestos but unless there is a miracle (and I don't really believe in miracles!), they will not achieve much due to budgetary constraints, and emerging challenges. Just being pragmatic although of course we need manifestos to spell out what the candidates, their political parties and, ultimately if they make it, government would do. But mostly it's easier said than do. Ask the bureaucrats and government mandarins in this list. George Dr George Nyabuga Tel: +230 403 51 00<tel:%2B230%20403%2051%2000> Head, Communications and PR, AFRINIC Fax: +230 466 67 58<tel:%2B230%C2%A0466%2067%2058> george@afrinic.net<mailto:george@afrinic.net> - www.afrinic.net<http://www.afrinic.net/> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Please join us at the Africa Internet Summit, Lusaka, Zambia, 9 - 21 June 2013 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Feb 13, 2013, at 11:52 AM, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.ca<mailto:eadera@idrc.ca>> wrote: George, What would you use to hold them to account? Their empty words? You will be surprised to learn that the women's movement, civil society movement and the masses brought Senegal's current President into power amidst the greatest odds...trying to unseat a POWERFUL incumbent that H.E. Wade was. But they did it. One of the things the movement did was to get the President to physically sign publicly a pledge (manifesto) of what he will do. To-date that's what is used to hold him accountable and remind him of what he promised ad signed to deliver for the people of Senegal. Why can't Kenyans hold their leaders to account in equal measure?....and what else would you use to do so other than what they have promised in "indelible ink"? It's when people like you make them think they can get away with empty words is when they do not give what they pledge the seriousness it deserves. We need to break away from our old mindsets. Edith From: George Nyabuga [mailto:george@<mailto:george@>afrinic.net<http://afrinic.net>] Sent: February 13, 2013 10:39 AM To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions; Edith Adera Subject: Re: [kictanet] #KEDebate13 I was equally delighted to listen to the candidates. However, I should say I was disappointed more because of the quality of answers. I might have missed a bit of it as i struggled to watch it online (I eventually decided to listen instead, thanks to live streaming by Capital!), but the guys were not articulate enough and struggled to convince me that they grasp the issues affecting Kenyans. Beyond the mere demagoguery, I did not hear concrete answers on how they would deal with education, health and social problems. Perhaps I was expecting too much. But this was definitely a good start. Just tongue-in-cheek. Do we need manifestos when they are merely 'pieces of paper'? How do we hold the guys and the parties to account if they fail to deliver? They merely use manifestos as campaign tools, with no intention of fulfilling whatever they have on those papers. I am being cynical because there is no way the 'bigger' boys (to use Raila's words) are going to implement policies of land (distribution), (absolutely) free education. They are merely pulling wool over our eyes and we should be more critical of these, and perhaps use them to determine the way we vote and of course their fate. Unfortunately, many of us do not have the capacity to digest and understand the manifestos. Very unfortunate indeed. Dr George Nyabuga Tel: +230 403 51 00<tel:%2B230%20403%2051%2000> Head, Communications and PR, AFRINIC Fax: +230 466 67 58<tel:%2B230%C2%A0466%2067%2058> george@afrinic.net<mailto:george@afrinic.net> - www.afrinic.net<http://www.afrinic.net/> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Please join us at the Africa Internet Summit, Lusaka, Zambia, 9 - 21 June 2013 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Feb 13, 2013, at 11:10 AM, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.ca<mailto:eadera@idrc.ca>> wrote: Indeed, Kudos to the media for a job well done. I recall a tweet from Ndemo that morning suggesting that all Kenyans should read the manifestos before the debate so we judge candidates based on their concrete plans and their responses to questions rather than other considerations (e.g. tribal persuasions). I thought this was an interesting prompting and went out in search of the manifestos online....to my disappointment, I only found 2 manifestos...CORD and JUBILEE!!!. None of the others exist online, unless I missed them. Are the other parties embracing the "digital world"? If anyone has electronic copies of the other 6 manifestos, please share on the list Listers, What should be different in Debate No 2? Edith -----Original Message----- From: kictanet [mailto:kictanet-<mailto:kictanet->bounces+eadera=idrc.ca@lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:bounces+eadera=idrc.ca@lists.kictanet.or.ke>] On Behalf Of Harry Delano Sent: February 13, 2013 9:20 AM To: Edith Adera Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] #KEDebate13 Alice Best, I was lurking in the shadows until I took note that the landmark debate in question has not been given 'kipao mbele' here. If I could raise 'hue and cry', that ICT wasn't given the due mileage in that debate, then we could sensitize candidates before the next one that, this is a driver of the current and future economy. Meanwhile, just noticed all the well articulated positions had little or non to borrow from the debate we had a while back here quizzing Dr. Ndemo as a 'future' candidate. If you ask me, the aspirants would benefit a lot from his insights that he widely shared here. Maybe at a consultancy fee..? Just me.. 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I thought it was rather unkind making the candidates stand for a good 3 hours surely. Martha Karua noticeably struggled on her heels at the end of the first session.Maybe in the next debate they need to look into this. Julie and Linus were comfortably sitting down throughout! I also look forward to a more engaging style. Flesh out more! But a good start notheless! Gilda Odera ----- Original Message ----- From: Edith Adera To: godera@skyweb.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 10:52 AM Subject: Re: [kictanet] #KEDebate13 George, What would you use to hold them to account? Their empty words? You will be surprised to learn that the women's movement, civil society movement and the masses brought Senegal's current President into power amidst the greatest odds.trying to unseat a POWERFUL incumbent that H.E. Wade was. But they did it. One of the things the movement did was to get the President to physically sign publicly a pledge (manifesto) of what he will do. To-date that's what is used to hold him accountable and remind him of what he promised ad signed to deliver for the people of Senegal. Why can't Kenyans hold their leaders to account in equal measure?....and what else would you use to do so other than what they have promised in "indelible ink"? It's when people like you make them think they can get away with empty words is when they do not give what they pledge the seriousness it deserves. We need to break away from our old mindsets. Edith From: George Nyabuga [mailto:george@afrinic.net] Sent: February 13, 2013 10:39 AM To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions; Edith Adera Subject: Re: [kictanet] #KEDebate13 I was equally delighted to listen to the candidates. However, I should say I was disappointed more because of the quality of answers. I might have missed a bit of it as i struggled to watch it online (I eventually decided to listen instead, thanks to live streaming by Capital!), but the guys were not articulate enough and struggled to convince me that they grasp the issues affecting Kenyans. Beyond the mere demagoguery, I did not hear concrete answers on how they would deal with education, health and social problems. Perhaps I was expecting too much. But this was definitely a good start. Just tongue-in-cheek. Do we need manifestos when they are merely 'pieces of paper'? How do we hold the guys and the parties to account if they fail to deliver? They merely use manifestos as campaign tools, with no intention of fulfilling whatever they have on those papers. I am being cynical because there is no way the 'bigger' boys (to use Raila's words) are going to implement policies of land (distribution), (absolutely) free education. They are merely pulling wool over our eyes and we should be more critical of these, and perhaps use them to determine the way we vote and of course their fate. Unfortunately, many of us do not have the capacity to digest and understand the manifestos. Very unfortunate indeed. Dr George Nyabuga Tel: +230 403 51 00 Head, Communications and PR, AFRINIC Fax: +230 466 67 58 george@afrinic.net - www.afrinic.net ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Please join us at the Africa Internet Summit, Lusaka, Zambia, 9 - 21 June 2013 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Feb 13, 2013, at 11:10 AM, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.ca> wrote: Indeed, Kudos to the media for a job well done. I recall a tweet from Ndemo that morning suggesting that all Kenyans should read the manifestos before the debate so we judge candidates based on their concrete plans and their responses to questions rather than other considerations (e.g. tribal persuasions). I thought this was an interesting prompting and went out in search of the manifestos online....to my disappointment, I only found 2 manifestos...CORD and JUBILEE!!!. None of the others exist online, unless I missed them. Are the other parties embracing the "digital world"? If anyone has electronic copies of the other 6 manifestos, please share on the list Listers, What should be different in Debate No 2? Edith -----Original Message----- From: kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.ca@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Harry Delano Sent: February 13, 2013 9:20 AM To: Edith Adera Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] #KEDebate13 Alice Best, I was lurking in the shadows until I took note that the landmark debate in question has not been given 'kipao mbele' here. If I could raise 'hue and cry', that ICT wasn't given the due mileage in that debate, then we could sensitize candidates before the next one that, this is a driver of the current and future economy. Meanwhile, just noticed all the well articulated positions had little or non to borrow from the debate we had a while back here quizzing Dr. Ndemo as a 'future' candidate. If you ask me, the aspirants would benefit a lot from his insights that he widely shared here. Maybe at a consultancy fee..? Just me.. Harry Alice Munyua <alice@apc.org> wrote:
Kudos to the media for organising our first ever presidential debate.
It was an important milestone. Very interesting, dealt with real
issues and was also quite entertaining.
Best
Alice
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Certainly, it was wrong to go on and on. There should be breaks for the Presidential candidates to rest and even go to the rest rooms! Janak. ________________________________ From: Gilda Odera <godera@skyweb.co.ke> To: williamjanak@yahoo.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 4:13 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] #KEDebate13 I thought it was rather unkind making the candidates stand for a good 3 hours surely. Martha Karua noticeably struggled on her heels at the end of the first session.Maybe in the next debate they need to look into this. Julie and Linus were comfortably sitting down throughout! I also look forward to a more engaging style. Flesh out more! But a good start notheless! Gilda Odera ----- Original Message ----- the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.
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I also join the rest in acknowledging the the Media houses as well as the moderators for pulling off the Presidential debate. Even though most of the candidates were lying with a straight face given that their manifestos are the same ones they played out in 2002, 2007 and now 2013...none of which was ever implemented (other than free primary education) Either way, the show still had a +ve effect by demonstrating that indeed the political elite belong to the same (Rich) class and have no beef with each other - but they are shrewd enough to play the citizens tribal card against each other on their way up the political ladder. For me this was the most critical outcome of the debate - the demonstration to the public/wananchi that indeed Kenya has only two tribes, the tribe of the Rich and that of the Poor. That the life of the poor man in Nyeri and the one in Kisumu will likely remain the same - irrespective of whom we put in State house...hence and therefore there is really no need dying for any Politicians cause. Going forward, I think the next debate should focus purely on the Vision2030 pillars: The Economic, Social and Political Pillars. How would the candidates move Kenya forward on these issues - subject to the current constraints of corruption, tribalism, unemployment, insecurity, etc. But perhaps even more importantly, how does the candidate intend to restore the original Kenyan value system of honesty, hard-work and selfless rather than selfish public service. Korea, Malaysia, Singapore and other Asian tigers did not flourish because of good visions and manifestos (every country and party have these). What made the difference is their cultural value system that breaths life (or in our case death) into those Visions and manifestos. walu. ________________________________ From: George Nyabuga <george@afrinic.net> To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 10:39 AM Subject: Re: [kictanet] #KEDebate13 I was equally delighted to listen to the candidates. However, I should say I was disappointed more because of the quality of answers. I might have missed a bit of it as i struggled to watch it online (I eventually decided to listen instead, thanks to live streaming by Capital!), but the guys were not articulate enough and struggled to convince me that they grasp the issues affecting Kenyans. Beyond the mere demagoguery, I did not hear concrete answers on how they would deal with education, health and social problems. Perhaps I was expecting too much. But this was definitely a good start. Just tongue-in-cheek. Do we need manifestos when they are merely 'pieces of paper'? How do we hold the guys and the parties to account if they fail to deliver? They merely use manifestos as campaign tools, with no intention of fulfilling whatever they have on those papers. I am being cynical because there is no way the 'bigger' boys (to use Raila's words) are going to implement policies of land (distribution), (absolutely) free education. They are merely pulling wool over our eyes and we should be more critical of these, and perhaps use them to determine the way we vote and of course their fate. Unfortunately, many of us do not have the capacity to digest and understand the manifestos. Very unfortunate indeed. Dr George Nyabuga Tel: +230 403 51 00 Head, Communications and PR, AFRINIC Fax: +230 466 67 58 george@afrinic.net - www.afrinic.net ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Please join us at the Africa Internet Summit, Lusaka, Zambia, 9 – 21 June 2013 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Feb 13, 2013, at 11:10 AM, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.ca> wrote: Indeed, Kudos to the media for a job well done.
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Listers, What should be different in Debate No 2?**** IMHO: 1. The media should pick 5 macro-economic/national issues that if effectively addressed in the next 5 years would bring the most significant and desired impact/growth in the country. They should then get the candidates clearly discuss what each one of them would do to realise desired impact. 2. Kenyans can then rate who best understands the issues and who can best lead from the front to see us achieve that. On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 10:10 AM, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.ca> wrote: > Indeed, Kudos to the media for a job well done. **** > > ** ** > > I recall a tweet from Ndemo that morning suggesting that all Kenyans > should read the manifestos before the debate so we judge candidates based > on their concrete plans and their responses to questions rather than other > considerations (e.g. tribal persuasions). I thought this was an interesting > prompting and went out in search of the manifestos online....to my > disappointment, I only found 2 manifestos...CORD and JUBILEE!!!. None of > the others exist online, unless I missed them. Are the other parties > embracing the "digital world"?**** > > ** ** > > If anyone has electronic copies of the other 6 manifestos, please share on > the list**** > > ** ** > > Listers, What should be different in Debate No 2?**** > > ** ** > > Edith**** > > -----Original Message----- > From: kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+eadera= > idrc.ca@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Harry Delano > Sent: February 13, 2013 9:20 AM > To: Edith Adera > Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions > Subject: Re: [kictanet] #KEDebate13 > > ** ** > > Alice Best,**** > > ** ** > > I was lurking in the shadows until I took note that the landmark debate > in question has not been given 'kipao mbele' here. If I could raise 'hue > and cry', that ICT wasn't given the due mileage in that debate, then we > could sensitize candidates before the next one that, this is a driver of > the current and future economy. Meanwhile, just noticed all the well > articulated positions had little or non to borrow from the debate we had a > while back here quizzing Dr. Ndemo as a 'future' candidate. If you ask me, > the aspirants would benefit a lot from his insights that he widely shared > here. Maybe at a consultancy fee..? Just me..**** > > ** ** > > Harry**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > Alice Munyua <alice@apc.org> wrote:**** > > ** ** > > >Kudos to the media for organising our first ever presidential debate. *** > * > > >It was an important milestone. Very interesting, dealt with real **** > > >issues and was also quite entertaining.**** > > >** ** > > >** ** > > >Best**** > > >Alice**** > > >** ** > > >** ** > > >** ** > > >** ** > > >** ** > > >** ** > > >--**** > > >** ** > > >** ** > > >_______________________________________________**** > > >kictanet mailing list**** > > >kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke**** > > >https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet**** > > >** ** > > >Unsubscribe or change your options at **** > > >https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/harry%40comtelsys** > ** > > >.co.ke**** > > >** ** > > >The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform > for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and > regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT > sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. > **** > > >** ** > > >KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors > online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, > share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do > not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.**** > > _______________________________________________**** > > kictanet mailing list**** > > kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke**** > > https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet**** > > ** ** > > Unsubscribe or change your options at > https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/eadera%40idrc.ca**** > > ** ** > > The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform > for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and > regulation. 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The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT > sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. > > KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors > online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, > share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do > not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. > -- Muthoni My Blog: http://rugongo.blogspot.com/ -------------------------------------------- Mahatma Gandhi once said:- First they ignore you, Then they laugh at you, Then they fight you, AND THEN YOU WIN!!!
A mere observation, the broadcast video quality was very poor, is there any minimum start dares that have been set by the regulator. Sent from my iPad On 13 Feb 2013, at 09:20, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> wrote:
participants (10)
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Baiju Shah -
Dorcas Muthoni -
Edith Adera -
George Nyabuga -
Gilda Odera -
Harry Delano -
kris njoroge -
Mark Mwangi -
Walubengo J -
william janak