Re: [kictanet] [eThinkTankTz] Uganda has the cheapest Broadband Internet in E-Africa.
Dear Dr. Ndemo and Walu, Having participated in driving the reduction of prices of broadband connectivity in Tanzania (core/transport Backhaul) by over 99% compared to 2009 prices; it is now time to agree on what we mean "Broadband". Further, I suggest we seriously agree on what it means to connect xxxxxx to ICTs, to help/guide all researchers in reporting about meeting the WSIS targets by 2015. Please recall...the first six targets are about connecting xxxx to ICTs. Here they are: 1.To connect villages with ICTs and establish community access points. 2.To connect universities, colleges, secondary schools and primary schools with ICTs. 3.To connect scientific and research centers with ICTs 4.To connect public libraries, cultural centers, museums, post offices and archives with ICTs. 5.To connect health centers and hospitals with ICTs. 6.To connect all local and central government departments and establish websites and email addresses. Dr. Ndemo, comming up with a harmonised definition certainly will help data collectors to give our region a fair reporting. I request your thoughts on this. Regards __________________________________ *Eng. Dr. Zaipuna O. Yonah, PhD* *Consulting Engineer in ICTs* *P. O. Box 32736* *Dar es Salaam* *Tanzania* *Tel: +255-784-786429* *Fax: +255--732-920133* *Email: **engzaipuna@ieee.org* <engzaipuna@ieee.org> =============================== *It is About Engineering People's Lives! **& * *Advancing Technology for Humanity!* *===============================* On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 12:37 PM, Hassan Wekesa <hwekesa@gmail.com> wrote:
Walu, The same argument also applies to the measure economists use to gauge growing economies in Africa. When they say country A has the fastest growing economy, you wonder what parameters have been used. You cannot compare a country that has just gained stability after maybe civil unrest and a country that has been stable in terms of economic stability. It is apparent that the latter will have a higher GDP than the former and thus cannot be used as a benchmark for comparison. Having said that, I guess the same analogy can be used in comparing the cost of verifying where the cost of broadband is cheaper. Hassan
On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 9:30 AM, Zaipuna Yonah <zaipuna.yonah@gmail.com>wrote:
**
Dr. Ndemo,
I salute you! Thanks for the additional insights.
Regards
__________________________________ *Eng. Dr. Zaipuna O. Yonah, PhD* *Consulting Engineer in ICTs* *P. O. Box 32736* *Dar es Salaam* *Tanzania* *Tel: +255-784-786429* *Fax: +255--732-920133* *Email: **engzaipuna@ieee.org* <engzaipuna@ieee.org> =============================== *It is About Engineering People's Lives! **& * *Advancing Technology for Humanity!* *===============================*
On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 6:58 PM, Bitange Ndemo <bitange@jambo.co.ke>wrote:
Eng. Dr. Yonah, The average is one of the measures of central tendency. It is not used without looking at other measures in order to give you a clear picture. You always should know the range and the standard deviation. We usually use the average or the mean to get you the rough estimate. In a population the mean is closer to the truth but in a sample collected randomly, it can vary but not too much. There is always a problem with data gathering where some people may not understand the ethics behind authentic data. There are numerous occasions when people lie with statistics.
In essence we should not blindly dismiss any numbers unless we have looked at the methodology which is always not given although it is a requirement in such data.
Ndemo.
Thanks Walu! Very helpful indeed. But it reminded me of a book I once read called: "The Enemy called Average" by John Mason! It is always misleading when you report by numerical rankings instead of group rankings especially using averages!
In my early years of learning signal processing, I learnt that the mathematical operator called average is really a FILTER that only extracts the DC value from the noisy signal (data). It throws out ALL THE NOISE if indeed you have a very very large (infinity) data sample. Else the average is very noisy! This is the catchy 22 in the integrity of the reported figures!
Once again, thanks Walu.
Regards
__________________________________ *Eng. Dr. Zaipuna O. Yonah, PhD* *Consulting Engineer in ICTs* *P. O. Box 32736* *Dar es Salaam* *Tanzania* *Tel: +255-784-786429* *Fax: +255--732-920133* *Email: **engzaipuna@ieee.org* <engzaipuna@ieee.org> =============================== *It is About Engineering People's Lives! **& * *Advancing Technology for Humanity!* *===============================*
On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 10:34 AM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
**
Far from it...this is not "dollarization" of our economies.
It is just that researchers have to find a way of defining "affordability" across different economic domains in order to eventually provide an objective ranking.
ITU defines affordability as a function of average incomes. Consider
the
following:
If average incomes in country A = 100Euros (just to avoid the dollar focus :-), while in country B it is = 200Euros. And If in BOTH countries a 1mbs Internet link goes for 50Euros per month, which of these two countries enjoys cheaper internet services?
50Euros in Country A happens to be 50% of the average income while 50% Euros in Country B is only 25% of the average incomes. Would you like to live in a country where internet costs 50% of your salary or where its 25% of your salary? Country A is considered to be twices as expensive as Country B.
Country B is therefore considered to have cheaper internet services (even though internet does costs the SAME in Euro terms across both countries).
not sure if its clearer or worse :-) walu. --------------------------------------------
On Wed, 10/16/13, Zaipuna Yonah <zaipuna.yonah@gmail.com> wrote:
Subject: Re: [kictanet] [eThinkTankTz] Uganda has the cheapest Broadband Internet in E-Africa. To: "Walubengo J" <jwalu@yahoo.com> Cc: "Brian Munyao Longwe" <blongwe@gmail.com>, "I-Network Uganda" < i-network@dgroups.org>, "eThinkers" <ethinktanktz@yahoogroups.com>, "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Wednesday, October 16, 2013, 10:04 AM
Dear Walu, Are you suggesting we approve with open arms the mammon called dollarization? I am just curious!
http://clknet.or.tz/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/PB1-Dollarization-of-the-Tanz...
We surely have a long way to go in creating our own information even though we have our own knowledge about issues like this. Keep thinking and discussing...
Regards
__________________________________ Eng. Dr. Zaipuna O. Yonah, PhD Consulting Engineer in ICTs P. O. Box 32736 Dar es Salaam Tanzania Tel: +255-784-786429 Fax: +255--732-920133 Email: engzaipuna@ieee.org =============================== It is About Engineering People's Lives! & Advancing Technology for Humanity!===============================
On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 9:36 AM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
@Brian,
this is where we go wrong. We (East Africans) pay top-dollar to be members of ITU and then we consistently ignore their research output for various reasons - including lying :-). In which case we should at least stop being members and save the money for something else. Incidentally, ITU has been around for donkey years doing policy research in telecomms and we should at least give their report some little respect and attention.
But if we doubt them, we should produce alternate research like what Eng. Dr. Zaipuna O. Yonah, PhD has done with Research ICT Africa report- whic shows that actually .TZ has the most affordable internet services. From the quick reading of that I can see that perhaps what Research ICT Africa failed to do was that they did not "normalize" their figures.
What this means is that if a coke or any product is 1USD in the US and it is also 1USD in Kenya, that coke is still considered more expensive in Kenya because of differentials in national income levels i.e. they are not equally affordable . Put differently an American finds it easier to spend the 1USD than the Kenyan would.
So if one was to "normalize" the Research ICT report against national income levels, we would most likely arrive at the same (ITU) conclusion.
walu.
--------------------------------------------
On Tue, 10/15/13, Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com> wrote:
Subject: Re: [kictanet] [eThinkTankTz] Uganda has the cheapest Broadband Internet in E-Africa.
To: jwalu@yahoo.com
Cc: "I-Network Uganda" <i-network@dgroups.org>, "eThinkers" <ethinktanktz@yahoogroups.com>, "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>
Date: Tuesday, October 15, 2013, 11:29 PM
It's a lie, I am here and
frustrated with high costs of broadband...
On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at
9:15 PM, Zaipuna Yonah <zaipuna.yonah@gmail.com>
wrote:
How about the attached report? Sometimes, you got
to find a comparative approach to make sense out of these
studies. Sometimes it matters who reports.....But the
customer knows the truth!
Regards
__________________________________
Eng. Dr. Zaipuna O. Yonah, PhD
Consulting Engineer in ICTs
P. O. Box
32736
Dar es
Salaam
Tanzania
Tel: +255-784-786429
Fax: +255--732-920133
Email: engzaipuna@ieee.org
===============================
It is About Engineering People's Lives! & Advancing
Technology for
Humanity!===============================
On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 8:16 PM,
Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Folks,(apologies for cross-posting)
This comes as a suprise. One would have thought Kenya and TZ
by virtue of "owning" the International Internet
conne Submarine connectivity/Gatewyas at Mombasa and Dar
respectively, they would offer the cheapest Internet costs.
But according to the latest 2013 ITU report that has been
tracking and measuring affordability of internet, UG is
ranked no 139, TZ at no 143 and Kenya at no 149 globally in
terms of affordability.
Cost of broadband internet in Kenya is put at 49% of the
Gross National Income(GNI) compared to .UG at 32%. Put
differently it costs an average Kenyan half(50%) his salary
to connect to a broadband internet link. In SA it is about
4% of their GNI.
Those who can withstand the statistics/readings can pull the
Executive Report at
http://www.itu.int/en/ITU-D/Statistics/Documents/publications/mis2013/MIS201...
@ CS Matiang'i - this could be part of your bedtime
reading collection :-)
walu.
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@Dr. Zaipuna, I can tell you are a true scholar from your consistent and persistent approach :-). Defining and agreeing on what is Broadband Internet is indeed the first step to harmonizing research in this domain. Again, ITU (apologies for quoting what appears to be a discredited ITU*) in the same publication observes that Broadband meant different things across the 200 economies /countries sampled. With the observation that only 30% of the world giving its definition of broadband as a minimum link of 2Mbit/s - the rest advertising it as below this figure. The situation gets murkier when ITU observes that the said broadband service can be offered over fixed-line(fiber/copper), fixed broadband(wireless), mobile broadband (GSM) amongst others. To harmonize its ranking, ITU takes a re-calculated price of 1Mbits/s Fixed broadband (wireless) across the economies. It further notes that in Africa, Mobile broadband is more common and provides another ranking based on 500MB and 1GB data bundles per month - of which East Africa is still at the bottom quarter of the food chain in terms of affordability :-) . Obviously data bundles (Volume based and caped) vs 1Mb/s "unlimited data" per month can spawn an entirely new debate within the context of broadband quality...and perhaps outside the scope of the esteemed Listers here. As for WSIS targets, they look fine BUT again they must be normalized accross economies. Kenya may for example connect 20 of its 40Universities to the Internet while say Uganda connects say only 15Univerisities. However, if Uganda has a total of 15Universities, it will have connected 100% of its Universities while Kenya will have connected only 50% of its universities :-) Finally, plse share the actual Research ICT Africa report. What you shared was a comprehensive newspaper article on the same but am sure it missed other details (methodology, sample size, margin of error, etc) which could be useful to me. walu. *Disclosure: I have disagreed with ITU on several issues but on Telecommunication, I am yet to come across another agency with a such a global experience and reach in telco data-gathering and analysis. -------------------------------------------- On Sat, 10/19/13, Zaipuna Yonah <zaipuna.yonah@gmail.com> wrote: Subject: Re: [kictanet] [eThinkTankTz] Uganda has the cheapest Broadband Internet in E-Africa. To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "I-Network Uganda" <i-network@dgroups.org>, "eThinkers" <ethinktanktz@yahoogroups.com>, "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Saturday, October 19, 2013, 1:34 PM Dear Dr. Ndemo and Walu, Having participated in driving the reduction of prices of broadband connectivity in Tanzania (core/transport Backhaul) by over 99% compared to 2009 prices; it is now time to agree on what we mean "Broadband". Further, I suggest we seriously agree on what it means to connect xxxxxx to ICTs, to help/guide all researchers in reporting about meeting the WSIS targets by 2015. Please recall...the first six targets are about connecting xxxx to ICTs. Here they are: 1.To connect villages with ICTs and establish community access points. 2.To connect universities, colleges, secondary schools and primary schools with ICTs. 3.To connect scientific and research centers with ICTs 4.To connect public libraries, cultural centers, museums, post offices and archives with ICTs. 5.To connect health centers and hospitals with ICTs. 6.To connect all local and central government departments and establish websites and email addresses. Dr. Ndemo, comming up with a harmonised definition certainly will help data collectors to give our region a fair reporting. I request your thoughts on this. Regards __________________________________ Eng. Dr. Zaipuna O. Yonah, PhD Consulting Engineer in ICTs P. O. Box 32736 Dar es Salaam Tanzania Tel: +255-784-786429 Fax: +255--732-920133 Email: engzaipuna@ieee.org =============================== It is About Engineering People's Lives! & Advancing Technology for Humanity!=============================== On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 12:37 PM, Hassan Wekesa <hwekesa@gmail.com> wrote: Walu,The same argument also applies to the measure economists use to gauge growing economies in Africa. When they say country A has the fastest growing economy, you wonder what parameters have been used. You cannot compare a country that has just gained stability after maybe civil unrest and a country that has been stable in terms of economic stability. It is apparent that the latter will have a higher GDP than the former and thus cannot be used as a benchmark for comparison. Having said that, I guess the same analogy can be used in comparing the cost of verifying where the cost of broadband is cheaper. Hassan On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 9:30 AM, Zaipuna Yonah <zaipuna.yonah@gmail.com> wrote: Dr. Ndemo, I salute you! Thanks for the additional insights. Regards __________________________________ Eng. Dr. Zaipuna O. Yonah, PhD Consulting Engineer in ICTs P. O. Box 32736 Dar es Salaam Tanzania Tel: +255-784-786429 Fax: +255--732-920133 Email: engzaipuna@ieee.org =============================== It is About Engineering People's Lives! & Advancing Technology for Humanity!=============================== On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 6:58 PM, Bitange Ndemo <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote: Eng. Dr. Yonah, The average is one of the measures of central tendency. It is not used without looking at other measures in order to give you a clear picture. You always should know the range and the standard deviation. We usually use the average or the mean to get you the rough estimate. In a population the mean is closer to the truth but in a sample collected randomly, it can vary but not too much. There is always a problem with data gathering where some people may not understand the ethics behind authentic data. There are numerous occasions when people lie with statistics. In essence we should not blindly dismiss any numbers unless we have looked at the methodology which is always not given although it is a requirement in such data. Ndemo.
Thanks Walu! Very helpful indeed. But it reminded me of a book I once read
called: "The Enemy called Average" by John Mason! It is always misleading
when you report by numerical rankings instead of group rankings
especially
using averages!
In my early years of learning signal processing, I learnt that the
mathematical operator called average is really a FILTER that only extracts
the DC value from the noisy signal (data). It throws out ALL THE NOISE if
indeed you have a very very large (infinity) data sample. Else the average
is very noisy! This is the catchy 22 in the integrity of the reported
figures!
Once again, thanks Walu.
Regards
__________________________________
*Eng. Dr. Zaipuna O. Yonah, PhD*
*Consulting Engineer in ICTs*
*P. O. Box 32736*
*Dar es Salaam*
*Tanzania*
*Tel: +255-784-786429*
*Fax: +255--732-920133*
*Email: **engzaipuna@ieee.org* <engzaipuna@ieee.org>
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*Advancing Technology for Humanity!*
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On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 10:34 AM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
**
Far from it...this is not "dollarization" of our economies.
It is just that researchers have to find a way of defining
"affordability"
across different economic domains in order to eventually provide an
objective ranking.
ITU defines affordability as a function of average incomes. Consider the
following:
If average incomes in country A = 100Euros (just to avoid the dollar
focus
:-), while in country B it is = 200Euros. And If in BOTH countries a
1mbs
Internet link goes for 50Euros per month, which of these two countries
enjoys cheaper internet services?
50Euros in Country A happens to be 50% of the average income while 50%
Euros in Country B is only 25% of the average incomes. Would you like to
live in a country where internet costs 50% of your salary or where its
25%
of your salary? Country A is considered to be twices as expensive as
Country B.
Country B is therefore considered to have cheaper internet services
(even
though internet does costs the SAME in Euro terms across both
countries).
not sure if its clearer or worse :-)
walu.
--------------------------------------------
On Wed, 10/16/13, Zaipuna Yonah <zaipuna.yonah@gmail.com> wrote:
Subject: Re: [kictanet] [eThinkTankTz] Uganda has the cheapest Broadband
Internet in E-Africa.
To: "Walubengo J" <jwalu@yahoo.com>
Cc: "Brian Munyao Longwe" <blongwe@gmail.com>, "I-Network Uganda" <
i-network@dgroups.org>, "eThinkers" <ethinktanktz@yahoogroups.com>,
"KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>
Date: Wednesday, October 16, 2013, 10:04 AM
Dear Walu,
Are you suggesting we approve with open arms the
mammon called dollarization? I am just
curious!
http://clknet.or.tz/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/PB1-Dollarization-of-the-Tanz...
We surely have a long way to go in creating our
own information even though we have our own knowledge about
issues like this.
Keep thinking and discussing...
Regards
__________________________________
Eng. Dr. Zaipuna O. Yonah, PhD
Consulting Engineer in ICTs
P. O. Box
32736
Dar es
Salaam
Tanzania
Tel:
+255-784-786429
Fax:
+255--732-920133
Email: engzaipuna@ieee.org
===============================
It is About Engineering People's Lives! & Advancing
Technology for
Humanity!===============================
On Wed, Oct 16, 2013
at 9:36 AM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com>
wrote:
@Brian,
this is where we go wrong. We (East Africans) pay top-dollar
to be members of ITU and then we consistently ignore their
research output for various reasons - including lying :-).
In which case we should at least stop being members and save
the money for something else. Incidentally, ITU has been
around for donkey years doing policy research in telecomms
and we should at least give their report some little respect
and attention.
But if we doubt them, we should produce alternate research
like what Eng. Dr. Zaipuna O. Yonah, PhD has done with
Research ICT Africa report- whic shows that actually .TZ has
the most affordable internet services. From the quick
reading of that I can see that perhaps what Research ICT
Africa failed to do was that they did not
"normalize" their figures.
What this means is that if a coke or any product is 1USD in
the US and it is also 1USD in Kenya, that coke is still
considered more expensive in Kenya because of differentials
in national income levels i.e. they are not equally
affordable . Put differently an American finds it easier to
spend the 1USD than the Kenyan would.
So if one was to "normalize" the Research ICT
report against national income levels, we would most likely
arrive at the same (ITU) conclusion.
walu.
--------------------------------------------
On Tue, 10/15/13, Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com>
wrote:
Subject: Re: [kictanet] [eThinkTankTz] Uganda has the
cheapest Broadband Internet in E-Africa.
To: jwalu@yahoo.com
Cc: "I-Network Uganda" <i-network@dgroups.org>,
"eThinkers" <ethinktanktz@yahoogroups.com>,
"KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>
Date: Tuesday, October 15, 2013, 11:29 PM
It's a lie, I am here and
frustrated with high costs of broadband...
On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at
9:15 PM, Zaipuna Yonah <zaipuna.yonah@gmail.com>
wrote:
How about the attached report? Sometimes, you got
to find a comparative approach to make sense out of these
studies. Sometimes it matters who reports.....But the
customer knows the truth!
Regards
__________________________________
Eng. Dr. Zaipuna O. Yonah, PhD
Consulting Engineer in ICTs
P. O. Box
32736
Dar es
Salaam
Tanzania
Tel: +255-784-786429
Fax: +255--732-920133
Email: engzaipuna@ieee.org
===============================
It is About Engineering People's
Lives! & Advancing
Technology for
Humanity!===============================
On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 8:16 PM,
Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Folks,(apologies for cross-posting)
This comes as a suprise. One would have thought Kenya and
TZ
by virtue of "owning" the International Internet
conne Submarine connectivity/Gatewyas at Mombasa and Dar
respectively, they would offer the cheapest Internet
costs.
But according to the latest 2013 ITU report that has been
tracking and measuring affordability of internet, UG is
ranked no 139, TZ at no 143 and Kenya at no 149 globally
in
terms of affordability.
Cost of broadband internet in Kenya is put at 49% of the
Gross National Income(GNI) compared to .UG at 32%. Put
differently it costs an average Kenyan half(50%) his
salary
to connect to a broadband internet link. In SA it is about
4% of their GNI.
Those who can withstand the statistics/readings can pull
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Executive Report at
http://www.itu.int/en/ITU-D/Statistics/Documents/publications/mis2013/MIS201...
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reading collection :-)
walu.
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Walu, On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 11:06 AM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
@Dr. Zaipuna,
I can tell you are a true scholar from your consistent and persistent approach :-). Defining and agreeing on what is Broadband Internet is indeed the first step to harmonizing research in this domain.
Again, ITU (apologies for quoting what appears to be a discredited ITU*) in the same publication observes that Broadband meant different things across the 200 economies /countries sampled. With the observation that only 30% of the world giving its definition of broadband as a minimum link of 2Mbit/s - the rest advertising it as below this figure.
The situation gets murkier when ITU observes that the said broadband service can be offered over fixed-line(fiber/copper), fixed broadband(wireless), mobile broadband (GSM) amongst others. To harmonize its ranking, ITU takes a re-calculated price of 1Mbits/s Fixed broadband (wireless) across the economies.
It further notes that in Africa, Mobile broadband is more common and provides another ranking based on 500MB and 1GB data bundles per month - of which East Africa is still at the bottom quarter of the food chain in terms of affordability :-) . Obviously data bundles (Volume based and caped) vs 1Mb/s "unlimited data" per month can spawn an entirely new debate within the context of broadband quality...and perhaps outside the scope of the esteemed Listers here.
Agreed, I would also like to note that comparing MegaBits per second with a quantity of MegaBytes is a chalk and cheese comparison. -- Cheers, McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
Dr. Yonah, I will certainly start the discourse around this in the next two conferences I attend. I shall be in India next week for their e-government conference then next month I will be in South Africa to discuss their Broadband Strategy and in December again in SA for the ICTD conference in Cape Town. Regards. Ndemo.
Dear Dr. Ndemo and Walu,
Having participated in driving the reduction of prices of broadband connectivity in Tanzania (core/transport Backhaul) by over 99% compared to 2009 prices; it is now time to agree on what we mean "Broadband". Further, I suggest we seriously agree on what it means to connect xxxxxx to ICTs, to help/guide all researchers in reporting about meeting the WSIS targets by 2015. Please recall...the first six targets are about connecting xxxx to ICTs. Here they are:
1.To connect villages with ICTs and establish community access points. 2.To connect universities, colleges, secondary schools and primary schools with ICTs. 3.To connect scientific and research centers with ICTs 4.To connect public libraries, cultural centers, museums, post offices and archives with ICTs. 5.To connect health centers and hospitals with ICTs. 6.To connect all local and central government departments and establish websites and email addresses.
Dr. Ndemo, comming up with a harmonised definition certainly will help data collectors to give our region a fair reporting. I request your thoughts on this.
Regards
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On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 12:37 PM, Hassan Wekesa <hwekesa@gmail.com> wrote:
Walu, The same argument also applies to the measure economists use to gauge growing economies in Africa. When they say country A has the fastest growing economy, you wonder what parameters have been used. You cannot compare a country that has just gained stability after maybe civil unrest and a country that has been stable in terms of economic stability. It is apparent that the latter will have a higher GDP than the former and thus cannot be used as a benchmark for comparison. Having said that, I guess the same analogy can be used in comparing the cost of verifying where the cost of broadband is cheaper. Hassan
On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 9:30 AM, Zaipuna Yonah <zaipuna.yonah@gmail.com>wrote:
**
Dr. Ndemo,
I salute you! Thanks for the additional insights.
Regards
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On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 6:58 PM, Bitange Ndemo <bitange@jambo.co.ke>wrote:
Eng. Dr. Yonah, The average is one of the measures of central tendency. It is not used without looking at other measures in order to give you a clear picture. You always should know the range and the standard deviation. We usually use the average or the mean to get you the rough estimate. In a population the mean is closer to the truth but in a sample collected randomly, it can vary but not too much. There is always a problem with data gathering where some people may not understand the ethics behind authentic data. There are numerous occasions when people lie with statistics.
In essence we should not blindly dismiss any numbers unless we have looked at the methodology which is always not given although it is a requirement in such data.
Ndemo.
Thanks Walu! Very helpful indeed. But it reminded me of a book I once read called: "The Enemy called Average" by John Mason! It is always misleading when you report by numerical rankings instead of group rankings especially using averages!
In my early years of learning signal processing, I learnt that the mathematical operator called average is really a FILTER that only extracts the DC value from the noisy signal (data). It throws out ALL THE NOISE if indeed you have a very very large (infinity) data sample. Else the average is very noisy! This is the catchy 22 in the integrity of the reported figures!
Once again, thanks Walu.
Regards
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On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 10:34 AM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com>
wrote:
**
Far from it...this is not "dollarization" of our economies.
It is just that researchers have to find a way of defining "affordability" across different economic domains in order to eventually provide an objective ranking.
ITU defines affordability as a function of average incomes.
following:
If average incomes in country A = 100Euros (just to avoid the dollar focus :-), while in country B it is = 200Euros. And If in BOTH countries a 1mbs Internet link goes for 50Euros per month, which of these two countries enjoys cheaper internet services?
50Euros in Country A happens to be 50% of the average income while 50% Euros in Country B is only 25% of the average incomes. Would you
Consider the like to
live in a country where internet costs 50% of your salary or where its 25% of your salary? Country A is considered to be twices as expensive as Country B.
Country B is therefore considered to have cheaper internet services (even though internet does costs the SAME in Euro terms across both countries).
not sure if its clearer or worse :-) walu. --------------------------------------------
On Wed, 10/16/13, Zaipuna Yonah <zaipuna.yonah@gmail.com> wrote:
Subject: Re: [kictanet] [eThinkTankTz] Uganda has the cheapest Broadband Internet in E-Africa. To: "Walubengo J" <jwalu@yahoo.com> Cc: "Brian Munyao Longwe" <blongwe@gmail.com>, "I-Network Uganda" < i-network@dgroups.org>, "eThinkers" <ethinktanktz@yahoogroups.com>, "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Wednesday, October 16, 2013, 10:04 AM
Dear Walu, Are you suggesting we approve with open arms the mammon called dollarization? I am just curious!
http://clknet.or.tz/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/PB1-Dollarization-of-the-Tanz...
We surely have a long way to go in creating our own information even though we have our own knowledge about issues like this. Keep thinking and discussing...
Regards
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On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 9:36 AM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
@Brian,
this is where we go wrong. We (East Africans) pay top-dollar to be members of ITU and then we consistently ignore their research output for various reasons - including lying :-). In which case we should at least stop being members and save the money for something else. Incidentally, ITU has been around for donkey years doing policy research in telecomms and we should at least give their report some little respect and attention.
But if we doubt them, we should produce alternate research like what Eng. Dr. Zaipuna O. Yonah, PhD has done with Research ICT Africa report- whic shows that actually .TZ has the most affordable internet services. From the quick reading of that I can see that perhaps what Research ICT Africa failed to do was that they did not "normalize" their figures.
What this means is that if a coke or any product is 1USD in the US and it is also 1USD in Kenya, that coke is still considered more expensive in Kenya because of differentials in national income levels i.e. they are not equally affordable . Put differently an American finds it easier to spend the 1USD than the Kenyan would.
So if one was to "normalize" the Research ICT report against national income levels, we would most likely arrive at the same (ITU) conclusion.
walu.
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On Tue, 10/15/13, Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com> wrote:
Subject: Re: [kictanet] [eThinkTankTz] Uganda has the cheapest Broadband Internet in E-Africa.
To: jwalu@yahoo.com
Cc: "I-Network Uganda" <i-network@dgroups.org>, "eThinkers" <ethinktanktz@yahoogroups.com>, "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>
Date: Tuesday, October 15, 2013, 11:29 PM
It's a lie, I am here and
frustrated with high costs of broadband...
On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at
9:15 PM, Zaipuna Yonah <zaipuna.yonah@gmail.com>
wrote:
How about the attached report? Sometimes, you got
to find a comparative approach to make sense out of these
studies. Sometimes it matters who reports.....But the
customer knows the truth!
Regards
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On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 8:16 PM,
Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Folks,(apologies for cross-posting)
This comes as a suprise. One would have thought Kenya and TZ
by virtue of "owning" the International Internet
conne Submarine connectivity/Gatewyas at Mombasa and Dar
respectively, they would offer the cheapest Internet costs.
But according to the latest 2013 ITU report that has been
tracking and measuring affordability of internet, UG is
ranked no 139, TZ at no 143 and Kenya at no 149 globally in
terms of affordability.
Cost of broadband internet in Kenya is put at 49% of the
Gross National Income(GNI) compared to .UG at 32%. Put
differently it costs an average Kenyan half(50%) his salary
to connect to a broadband internet link. In SA it is about
4% of their GNI.
Those who can withstand the statistics/readings can pull the
Executive Report at
http://www.itu.int/en/ITU-D/Statistics/Documents/publications/mis2013/MIS201...
@ CS Matiang'i - this could be part of your bedtime
reading collection :-)
walu.
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On Oct 19, 2013, at 8:49 PM, "Bitange Ndemo" <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
Dr. Yonah, I will certainly start the discourse around this in the next two conferences I attend. I shall be in India next week for their e-government conference then next month I will be in South Africa to discuss their Broadband Strategy and in December again in SA for the ICTD conference in Cape Town.
Regards.
Ndemo.
Dear Dr. Ndemo and Walu,
Having participated in driving the reduction of prices of broadband connectivity in Tanzania (core/transport Backhaul) by over 99% compared to 2009 prices; it is now time to agree on what we mean "Broadband". Further, I suggest we seriously agree on what it means to connect xxxxxx to ICTs, to help/guide all researchers in reporting about meeting the WSIS targets by 2015. Please recall...the first six targets are about connecting xxxx to ICTs. Here they are:
1.To connect villages with ICTs and establish community access points. 2.To connect universities, colleges, secondary schools and primary schools with ICTs. 3.To connect scientific and research centers with ICTs 4.To connect public libraries, cultural centers, museums, post offices and archives with ICTs. 5.To connect health centers and hospitals with ICTs. 6.To connect all local and central government departments and establish websites and email addresses.
Dr. Ndemo, comming up with a harmonised definition certainly will help data collectors to give our region a fair reporting. I request your thoughts on this.
Regards
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On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 12:37 PM, Hassan Wekesa <hwekesa@gmail.com> wrote:
Walu, The same argument also applies to the measure economists use to gauge growing economies in Africa. When they say country A has the fastest growing economy, you wonder what parameters have been used. You cannot compare a country that has just gained stability after maybe civil unrest and a country that has been stable in terms of economic stability. It is apparent that the latter will have a higher GDP than the former and thus cannot be used as a benchmark for comparison. Having said that, I guess the same analogy can be used in comparing the cost of verifying where the cost of broadband is cheaper. Hassan
On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 9:30 AM, Zaipuna Yonah <zaipuna.yonah@gmail.com>wrote:
**
Dr. Ndemo,
I salute you! Thanks for the additional insights.
Regards
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On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 6:58 PM, Bitange Ndemo <bitange@jambo.co.ke>wrote:
Eng. Dr. Yonah, The average is one of the measures of central tendency. It is not used without looking at other measures in order to give you a clear picture. You always should know the range and the standard deviation. We usually use the average or the mean to get you the rough estimate. In a population the mean is closer to the truth but in a sample collected randomly, it can vary but not too much. There is always a problem with data gathering where some people may not understand the ethics behind authentic data. There are numerous occasions when people lie with statistics.
In essence we should not blindly dismiss any numbers unless we have looked at the methodology which is always not given although it is a requirement in such data.
Ndemo.
Thanks Walu! Very helpful indeed. But it reminded me of a book I once read called: "The Enemy called Average" by John Mason! It is always misleading when you report by numerical rankings instead of group rankings especially using averages!
In my early years of learning signal processing, I learnt that the mathematical operator called average is really a FILTER that only extracts the DC value from the noisy signal (data). It throws out ALL THE NOISE if indeed you have a very very large (infinity) data sample. Else the average is very noisy! This is the catchy 22 in the integrity of the reported figures!
Once again, thanks Walu.
Regards
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> On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 10:34 AM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
> ** > > > Far from it...this is not "dollarization" of our economies. > > It is just that researchers have to find a way of defining > "affordability" > across different economic domains in order to eventually provide an > objective ranking. > > ITU defines affordability as a function of average incomes.
> following: > > If average incomes in country A = 100Euros (just to avoid the dollar > focus > :-), while in country B it is = 200Euros. And If in BOTH countries a > 1mbs > Internet link goes for 50Euros per month, which of these two countries > enjoys cheaper internet services? > > 50Euros in Country A happens to be 50% of the average income while 50% > Euros in Country B is only 25% of the average incomes. Would you
Consider the like to
> live in a country where internet costs 50% of your salary or where its > 25% > of your salary? Country A is considered to be twices as expensive as > Country B. > > Country B is therefore considered to have cheaper internet services > (even > though internet does costs the SAME in Euro terms across both > countries). > > not sure if its clearer or worse :-) > walu. > -------------------------------------------- > > On Wed, 10/16/13, Zaipuna Yonah <zaipuna.yonah@gmail.com> wrote: > > Subject: Re: [kictanet] [eThinkTankTz] Uganda has the cheapest Broadband > Internet in E-Africa. > To: "Walubengo J" <jwalu@yahoo.com> > Cc: "Brian Munyao Longwe" <blongwe@gmail.com>, "I-Network Uganda" < > i-network@dgroups.org>, "eThinkers" <ethinktanktz@yahoogroups.com>, > "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> > Date: Wednesday, October 16, 2013, 10:04 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Walu, > Are you suggesting we approve with open arms the > mammon called dollarization? I am just > curious! http://clknet.or.tz/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/PB1-Dollarization-of-the-Tanz... > > We surely have a long way to go in creating our > own information even though we have our own knowledge about > issues like this. > Keep thinking and discussing... > > Regards > > __________________________________ > Eng. Dr. Zaipuna O. Yonah, PhD > Consulting Engineer in ICTs > P. O. Box > 32736 > Dar es > Salaam > Tanzania > Tel: > +255-784-786429 > Fax: > +255--732-920133 > Email: engzaipuna@ieee.org > =============================== > It is About Engineering People's Lives! & Advancing > Technology for > Humanity!=============================== > > > > On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 > at 9:36 AM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @Brian, > > > > this is where we go wrong. We (East Africans) pay top-dollar > to be members of ITU and then we consistently ignore their > research output for various reasons - including lying :-). > In which case we should at least stop being members and save > the money for something else. Incidentally, ITU has been > around for donkey years doing policy research in telecomms > and we should at least give their report some little respect > and attention. > > > > > But if we doubt them, we should produce alternate research > like what Eng. Dr. Zaipuna O. Yonah, PhD has done with > Research ICT Africa report- whic shows that actually .TZ has > the most affordable internet services. From the quick > reading of that I can see that perhaps what Research ICT > Africa failed to do was that they did not > "normalize" their figures. > > > > > What this means is that if a coke or any product is 1USD in > the US and it is also 1USD in Kenya, that coke is still > considered more expensive in Kenya because of differentials > in national income levels i.e. they are not equally > affordable . Put differently an American finds it easier to > spend the 1USD than the Kenyan would. > > > > > So if one was to "normalize" the Research ICT > report against national income levels, we would most likely > arrive at the same (ITU) conclusion. > > > > walu. > > > > -------------------------------------------- > > On Tue, 10/15/13, Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > Subject: Re: [kictanet] [eThinkTankTz] Uganda has the > cheapest Broadband Internet in E-Africa. > > To: jwalu@yahoo.com > > Cc: "I-Network Uganda" <i-network@dgroups.org>, > "eThinkers" <ethinktanktz@yahoogroups.com>, > "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> > > > Date: Tuesday, October 15, 2013, 11:29 PM > > > > It's a lie, I am here and > > frustrated with high costs of broadband... > > > > > > On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at > > 9:15 PM, Zaipuna Yonah <zaipuna.yonah@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > How about the attached report? Sometimes, you got > > to find a comparative approach to make sense out of these > > studies. Sometimes it matters who reports.....But the > > customer knows the truth! > > > > > > Regards > > __________________________________ > > Eng. Dr. Zaipuna O. Yonah, PhD > > Consulting Engineer in ICTs > > P. O. Box > > 32736 > > Dar es > > Salaam > > Tanzania > > Tel: +255-784-786429 > > Fax: +255--732-920133 > > Email: engzaipuna@ieee.org > > =============================== > > It is About Engineering People's > Lives! & Advancing > > Technology for > > Humanity!=============================== > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 8:16 PM, > > Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Folks,(apologies for cross-posting) > > > > > > > > This comes as a suprise. One would have thought Kenya and > TZ > > by virtue of "owning" the International Internet > > conne Submarine connectivity/Gatewyas at Mombasa and Dar > > respectively, they would offer the cheapest Internet > costs. > > > > > > > > > > > > But according to the latest 2013 ITU report that has been > > tracking and measuring affordability of internet, UG is > > ranked no 139, TZ at no 143 and Kenya at no 149 globally > in > > terms of affordability. > > > > > > > > Cost of broadband internet in Kenya is put at 49% of the > > Gross National Income(GNI) compared to .UG at 32%. Put > > differently it costs an average Kenyan half(50%) his > salary > > to connect to a broadband internet link. 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We hope it succeeds not like the "Shuttle Diplomacy" of yore. :) On a very important note, And as you represent internationally, don't forget "Since all charity begins at home, it would be the work not of charity but of fatuity to direct the alms of the Realm abroad when the Realm itself is in need of them" - John Wycliffe ______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva twitter.com/lordmwesh google ID | Skype ID: lordmwesh On 20 October 2013 09:48, Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> wrote:
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On Oct 19, 2013, at 8:49 PM, "Bitange Ndemo" <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
Dr. Yonah, I will certainly start the discourse around this in the next two conferences I attend. I shall be in India next week for their e-government conference then next month I will be in South Africa to discuss their Broadband Strategy and in December again in SA for the ICTD conference in Cape Town.
Regards.
Ndemo.
Dear Dr. Ndemo and Walu,
Having participated in driving the reduction of prices of broadband
connectivity in Tanzania (core/transport Backhaul) by over 99% compared to
2009 prices; it is now time to agree on what we mean "Broadband". Further,
I suggest we seriously agree on what it means to connect xxxxxx to ICTs,
to
help/guide all researchers in reporting about meeting the WSIS targets by
2015. Please recall...the first six targets are about connecting xxxx to
ICTs. Here they are:
1.To connect villages with ICTs and establish community access points.
2.To connect universities, colleges, secondary schools and primary schools
with ICTs.
3.To connect scientific and research centers with ICTs
4.To connect public libraries, cultural centers, museums, post offices and
archives with ICTs.
5.To connect health centers and hospitals with ICTs.
6.To connect all local and central government departments and establish
websites and email addresses.
Dr. Ndemo, comming up with a harmonised definition certainly will help
data
collectors to give our region a fair reporting. I request your thoughts on
this.
Regards
__________________________________
*Eng. Dr. Zaipuna O. Yonah, PhD*
*Consulting Engineer in ICTs*
*P. O. Box 32736*
*Dar es Salaam*
*Tanzania*
*Tel: +255-784-786429*
*Fax: +255--732-920133*
*Email: **engzaipuna@ieee.org* <engzaipuna@ieee.org>
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*It is About Engineering People's Lives! **& *
*Advancing Technology for Humanity!*
*===============================*
On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 12:37 PM, Hassan Wekesa <hwekesa@gmail.com> wrote:
Walu,
The same argument also applies to the measure economists use to gauge
growing economies in Africa. When they say country A has the fastest
growing economy, you wonder what parameters have been used. You cannot
compare a country that has just gained stability after maybe civil
unrest
and a country that has been stable in terms of economic stability.
It is apparent that the latter will have a higher GDP than the former
and
thus cannot be used as a benchmark for comparison. Having said that, I
guess the same analogy can be used in comparing the cost of verifying
where
the cost of broadband is cheaper.
Hassan
On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 9:30 AM, Zaipuna Yonah
<zaipuna.yonah@gmail.com>wrote:
**
Dr. Ndemo,
I salute you! Thanks for the additional insights.
Regards
__________________________________
*Eng. Dr. Zaipuna O. Yonah, PhD*
*Consulting Engineer in ICTs*
*P. O. Box 32736*
*Dar es Salaam*
*Tanzania*
*Tel: +255-784-786429*
*Fax: +255--732-920133*
*Email: **engzaipuna@ieee.org* <engzaipuna@ieee.org>
===============================
*It is About Engineering People's Lives! **& *
*Advancing Technology for Humanity!*
*===============================*
On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 6:58 PM, Bitange Ndemo
<bitange@jambo.co.ke>wrote:
Eng. Dr. Yonah,
The average is one of the measures of central tendency. It is not
used
without looking at other measures in order to give you a clear
picture.
You always should know the range and the standard deviation. We
usually
use the average or the mean to get you the rough estimate. In a
population the mean is closer to the truth but in a sample collected
randomly, it can vary but not too much. There is always a problem
with
data gathering where some people may not understand the ethics behind
authentic data. There are numerous occasions when people lie with
statistics.
In essence we should not blindly dismiss any numbers unless we have
looked
at the methodology which is always not given although it is a
requirement
in such data.
Ndemo.
Thanks Walu! Very helpful indeed. But it reminded me of a book I
once
read
called: "The Enemy called Average" by John Mason! It is always
misleading
when you report by numerical rankings instead of group rankings
especially
using averages!
In my early years of learning signal processing, I learnt that the
mathematical operator called average is really a FILTER that only
extracts
the DC value from the noisy signal (data). It throws out ALL THE
NOISE
if
indeed you have a very very large (infinity) data sample. Else the
average
is very noisy! This is the catchy 22 in the integrity of the
reported
figures!
Once again, thanks Walu.
Regards
__________________________________
*Eng. Dr. Zaipuna O. Yonah, PhD*
*Consulting Engineer in ICTs*
*P. O. Box 32736*
*Dar es Salaam*
*Tanzania*
*Tel: +255-784-786429*
*Fax: +255--732-920133*
*Email: **engzaipuna@ieee.org* <engzaipuna@ieee.org>
===============================
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*Advancing Technology for Humanity!*
*===============================*
On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 10:34 AM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com>
wrote:
**
Far from it...this is not "dollarization" of our economies.
It is just that researchers have to find a way of defining
"affordability"
across different economic domains in order to eventually provide an
objective ranking.
ITU defines affordability as a function of average incomes.
Consider
the
following:
If average incomes in country A = 100Euros (just to avoid the
dollar
focus
:-), while in country B it is = 200Euros. And If in BOTH countries
a
1mbs
Internet link goes for 50Euros per month, which of these two
countries
enjoys cheaper internet services?
50Euros in Country A happens to be 50% of the average income while
50%
Euros in Country B is only 25% of the average incomes. Would you
like
to
live in a country where internet costs 50% of your salary or where
its
25%
of your salary? Country A is considered to be twices as expensive
as
Country B.
Country B is therefore considered to have cheaper internet services
(even
though internet does costs the SAME in Euro terms across both
countries).
not sure if its clearer or worse :-)
walu.
--------------------------------------------
On Wed, 10/16/13, Zaipuna Yonah <zaipuna.yonah@gmail.com> wrote:
Subject: Re: [kictanet] [eThinkTankTz] Uganda has the cheapest
Broadband
Internet in E-Africa.
To: "Walubengo J" <jwalu@yahoo.com>
Cc: "Brian Munyao Longwe" <blongwe@gmail.com>, "I-Network Uganda" <
i-network@dgroups.org>, "eThinkers" <ethinktanktz@yahoogroups.com>,
"KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>
Date: Wednesday, October 16, 2013, 10:04 AM
Dear Walu,
Are you suggesting we approve with open arms the
mammon called dollarization? I am just
curious!
http://clknet.or.tz/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/PB1-Dollarization-of-the-Tanz...
We surely have a long way to go in creating our
own information even though we have our own knowledge about
issues like this.
Keep thinking and discussing...
Regards
__________________________________
Eng. Dr. Zaipuna O. Yonah, PhD
Consulting Engineer in ICTs
P. O. Box
32736
Dar es
Salaam
Tanzania
Tel:
+255-784-786429
Fax:
+255--732-920133
Email: engzaipuna@ieee.org
===============================
It is About Engineering People's Lives! & Advancing
Technology for
Humanity!===============================
On Wed, Oct 16, 2013
at 9:36 AM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com>
wrote:
@Brian,
this is where we go wrong. We (East Africans) pay top-dollar
to be members of ITU and then we consistently ignore their
research output for various reasons - including lying :-).
In which case we should at least stop being members and save
the money for something else. Incidentally, ITU has been
around for donkey years doing policy research in telecomms
and we should at least give their report some little respect
and attention.
But if we doubt them, we should produce alternate research
like what Eng. Dr. Zaipuna O. Yonah, PhD has done with
Research ICT Africa report- whic shows that actually .TZ has
the most affordable internet services. From the quick
reading of that I can see that perhaps what Research ICT
Africa failed to do was that they did not
"normalize" their figures.
What this means is that if a coke or any product is 1USD in
the US and it is also 1USD in Kenya, that coke is still
considered more expensive in Kenya because of differentials
in national income levels i.e. they are not equally
affordable . Put differently an American finds it easier to
spend the 1USD than the Kenyan would.
So if one was to "normalize" the Research ICT
report against national income levels, we would most likely
arrive at the same (ITU) conclusion.
walu.
--------------------------------------------
On Tue, 10/15/13, Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com>
wrote:
Subject: Re: [kictanet] [eThinkTankTz] Uganda has the
cheapest Broadband Internet in E-Africa.
To: jwalu@yahoo.com
Cc: "I-Network Uganda" <i-network@dgroups.org>,
"eThinkers" <ethinktanktz@yahoogroups.com>,
"KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>
Date: Tuesday, October 15, 2013, 11:29 PM
It's a lie, I am here and
frustrated with high costs of broadband...
On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at
9:15 PM, Zaipuna Yonah <zaipuna.yonah@gmail.com>
wrote:
How about the attached report? Sometimes, you got
to find a comparative approach to make sense out of these
studies. Sometimes it matters who reports.....But the
customer knows the truth!
Regards
__________________________________
Eng. Dr. Zaipuna O. Yonah, PhD
Consulting Engineer in ICTs
P. O. Box
32736
Dar es
Salaam
Tanzania
Tel: +255-784-786429
Fax: +255--732-920133
Email: engzaipuna@ieee.org
===============================
It is About Engineering People's
Lives! & Advancing
Technology for
Humanity!===============================
On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 8:16 PM,
Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Folks,(apologies for cross-posting)
This comes as a suprise. One would have thought Kenya and
TZ
by virtue of "owning" the International Internet
conne Submarine connectivity/Gatewyas at Mombasa and Dar
respectively, they would offer the cheapest Internet
costs.
But according to the latest 2013 ITU report that has been
tracking and measuring affordability of internet, UG is
ranked no 139, TZ at no 143 and Kenya at no 149 globally
in
terms of affordability.
Cost of broadband internet in Kenya is put at 49% of the
Gross National Income(GNI) compared to .UG at 32%. Put
differently it costs an average Kenyan half(50%) his
salary
to connect to a broadband internet link. In SA it is about
4% of their GNI.
Those who can withstand the statistics/readings can pull
the
Executive Report at
http://www.itu.int/en/ITU-D/Statistics/Documents/publications/mis2013/MIS201...
@ CS Matiang'i - this could be part of your bedtime
reading collection :-)
walu.
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