Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...!
I'm not sure which is which, until I see some response on whether we might just as well happen to be drifting along rudderless.!! Harry
On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 14:59, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> wrote:
I’m not sure which is which, until I see some response on whether we might just as well happen to be drifting along rudderless…!!
You mean the post-Easter stupor, or?? -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler. Please consider the environment before printing this email.
@Wash, Maybe Delano is insinuating something. Perhaps KICTAnet needs to re-juvinate and re-energize. Bring in new blood and thinking. What do we want from KICTAnet, 8yrs later? What management structures, membership structures, operational, financial structures do we want to see going forward? Perhaps a brainstorming face2face session is due. I for one have been the moderator since inception and maybe someone else can do a better job and we just have not asked them to come forth. Think about it - I could have run out of ideas or some younger dot.commer may just be sitting on better ways of moderation that I have never imagined... just my 2pings. walu. --- On Wed, 4/11/12, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote: From: Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...! To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Wednesday, April 11, 2012, 3:50 PM On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 14:59, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> wrote: I’m not sure which is which, until I see some response on whether we might just as well happen to be drifting along rudderless…!! You mean the post-Easter stupor, or?? -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler. Please consider the environment before printing this email. -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/jwalu%40yahoo.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
Dear Listers, I was for one surprised to discover such a vibrant community on I.T in Kenya having been listed a few weeks ago. As a result I spend quite a huge chunk of my time nowadays sucking all that is discussed and researching including enlisting to join some key bodies. KICTAnet is fairly unknown to others but has a wealth of information, expertise and ideas. Maybe a strategy to reposition it is due. I am aware that there is a push to have an industry body to represent I.T (one body) as was discussed in Connected Kenya ref KITOS post #140 Friday. My humble views (given the relative experience shared here) is that we do need to have a conversation and decision on firming up one body that can lobby and represent the industry similar to the KAM. Brian Longwe, Mike Macharia and Tej Bedi have more details including a possible policy document to be presented to the Ministry of Information. Regards, Patrick M. Karanja Cell +254 722 943 655 ________________________________ From: Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> To: mutuota@yahoo.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 6:21 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...! @Wash, Maybe Delano is insinuating something. Perhaps KICTAnet needs to re-juvinate and re-energize. Bring in new blood and thinking. What do we want from KICTAnet, 8yrs later? What management structures, membership structures, operational, financial structures do we want to see going forward? Perhaps a brainstorming face2face session is due. I for one have been the moderator since inception and maybe someone else can do a better job and we just have not asked them to come forth. Think about it - I could have run out of ideas or some younger dot.commer may just be sitting on better ways of moderation that I have never imagined... just my 2pings. walu. --- On Wed, 4/11/12, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...! To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Wednesday, April 11, 2012, 3:50 PM
On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 14:59, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> wrote:
I’m not sure which is which, until I see some response on whether we might just as well happen to be drifting along rudderless…!!
You mean the post-Easter stupor, or??
-- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler. Please consider the environment before printing this email.
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Hey Wash/Walu/Mucheru/Patrick, Thanks. Perhaps a response to the way forward could possibly tell us in the first place if the hall has not yet been vacated, if not ages ago and we might be talking to ourselves with a long hollow echo in the background as our feedback… We could have been left behind, and perhaps the train took off to the next station and we missed it altogether..!! Harry From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Walubengo J Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 6:22 PM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...! @Wash, Maybe Delano is insinuating something. Perhaps KICTAnet needs to re-juvinate and re-energize. Bring in new blood and thinking. What do we want from KICTAnet, 8yrs later? What management structures, membership structures, operational, financial structures do we want to see going forward? Perhaps a brainstorming face2face session is due. I for one have been the moderator since inception and maybe someone else can do a better job and we just have not asked them to come forth. Think about it - I could have run out of ideas or some younger <http://dot.com> dot.commer may just be sitting on better ways of moderation that I have never imagined... just my 2pings. walu. --- On Wed, 4/11/12, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote: From: Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...! To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Wednesday, April 11, 2012, 3:50 PM On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 14:59, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> wrote: I’m not sure which is which, until I see some response on whether we might just as well happen to be drifting along rudderless…!! You mean the post-Easter stupor, or?? -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler. Please consider the environment before printing this email. -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/jwalu%40yahoo.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
I think Walu is on the right track. Every organisation for-profit or not, has to reassess it's strategy, relevance, business direction and thrust periodically or risk falling into the shadows. Is it time for KICTAnet to do so? As one of the founders and a trustee I think that the time has come. My 2 shillings, Brian On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 6:21 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
@Wash,
Maybe Delano is insinuating something. Perhaps KICTAnet needs to re-juvinate and re-energize. Bring in new blood and thinking. What do we want from KICTAnet, 8yrs later? What management structures, membership structures, operational, financial structures do we want to see going forward?
Perhaps a brainstorming face2face session is due. I for one have been the moderator since inception and maybe someone else can do a better job and we just have not asked them to come forth. Think about it - I could have run out of ideas or some younger dot.commer <http://dot.com> may just be sitting on better ways of moderation that I have never imagined...
just my 2pings.
walu.
--- On *Wed, 4/11/12, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>* wrote:
From: Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...! To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Wednesday, April 11, 2012, 3:50 PM
On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 14:59, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke<http://mc/compose?to=harry@comtelsys.co.ke>
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I’m not sure which is which, until I see some response on whether we might just as well happen to be drifting along rudderless…!!
You mean the post-Easter stupor, or??
-- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler. Please consider the environment before printing this email.
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Ara..! Not many people seriously want to rejuvenate this forum, as per Brian/Walubengo's suggestion.? Cannot imagine the forum becoming a good case study one day for some thesis student. Whose research titles among others:- . "How-to-kill a good forum, kick it into the dustbin and leave it for the dead" . "The rise and rise, and fall and fall of a myriad of many ICT forums in Kenya, the major one being.. . "How-not-to build structural resilience and offer strategic leadership". Why the big forum went M.I.A, and petered out.. . And the final one perhaps, " Do not repeat the mistakes listed above, time for a RESET.."! Certainly, unless otherwise - we might be headed for such a case study. Not sure if I should patent the titles, just in case..! Harry From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Brian Munyao Longwe Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 12:50 AM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...! I think Walu is on the right track. Every organisation for-profit or not, has to reassess it's strategy, relevance, business direction and thrust periodically or risk falling into the shadows. Is it time for KICTAnet to do so? As one of the founders and a trustee I think that the time has come. My 2 shillings, Brian On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 6:21 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote: @Wash, Maybe Delano is insinuating something. Perhaps KICTAnet needs to re-juvinate and re-energize. Bring in new blood and thinking. What do we want from KICTAnet, 8yrs later? What management structures, membership structures, operational, financial structures do we want to see going forward? Perhaps a brainstorming face2face session is due. I for one have been the moderator since inception and maybe someone else can do a better job and we just have not asked them to come forth. Think about it - I could have run out of ideas or some younger dot.commer <http://dot.com> may just be sitting on better ways of moderation that I have never imagined... just my 2pings. walu. --- On Wed, 4/11/12, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote: From: Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...! To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Wednesday, April 11, 2012, 3:50 PM On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 14:59, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke <http://mc/compose?to=harry@comtelsys.co.ke> > wrote: I'm not sure which is which, until I see some response on whether we might just as well happen to be drifting along rudderless.!! You mean the post-Easter stupor, or?? -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121 <tel:%2B254733744121> /+254722743223 <tel:%2B254722743223> _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler. Please consider the environment before printing this email. -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/jwalu%40yahoo.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. 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KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. -- Brian Munyao Longwe e-mail: blongwe@gmail.com cell: +254715964281 blog : http://zinjlog.blogspot.com meta-blog: http://mashilingi.blogspot.com "Give us clear vision that we may know where to stand and what to stand for, because unless we stand for something, we shall fall for anything."
Harry, We are ageing, email is loosing is lustre and the new generation hate records and prefer platforms like twitter and facebook. The responsibility for keeping the forum active remains with those over 35 year old who unfortunately are trying to fit in with the younger crowd. uuummmmm is there a way out of this loop.^C Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From: Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Thursday, 12 April 2012, 13:55 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...! Ara..! Not many people seriously want to rejuvenate this forum, as per Brian/Walubengo’s suggestion…? Cannot imagine the forum becoming a good case study one day for some thesis student. Whose research titles among others:- · “How-to-kill a good forum, kick it into the dustbin and leave it for the dead” · “The rise and rise, and fall and fall of a myriad of many ICT forums in Kenya, the major one being…. · “How-not-to build structural resilience and offer strategic leadership”. Why the big forum went M.I.A, and petered out.. · And the final one perhaps, “ Do not repeat the mistakes listed above, time for a RESET..”! Certainly, unless otherwise – we might be headed for such a case study. Not sure if I should patent the titles, just in case..! Harry From:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Brian Munyao Longwe Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 12:50 AM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...! I think Walu is on the right track. Every organisation for-profit or not, has to reassess it's strategy, relevance, business direction and thrust periodically or risk falling into the shadows. Is it time for KICTAnet to do so? As one of the founders and a trustee I think that the time has come. My 2 shillings, Brian On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 6:21 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote: @Wash, Maybe Delano is insinuating something. Perhaps KICTAnet needs to re-juvinate and re-energize. Bring in new blood and thinking. What do we want from KICTAnet, 8yrs later? What management structures, membership structures, operational, financial structures do we want to see going forward? Perhaps a brainstorming face2face session is due. I for one have been the moderator since inception and maybe someone else can do a better job and we just have not asked them to come forth. Think about it - I could have run out of ideas or some younger dot.commer may just be sitting on better ways of moderation that I have never imagined... just my 2pings. walu. --- On Wed, 4/11/12, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote: From: Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...! To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Wednesday, April 11, 2012, 3:50 PM On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 14:59, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> wrote: I’m not sure which is which, until I see some response on whether we might just as well happen to be drifting along rudderless…!! You mean the post-Easter stupor, or?? -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler. Please consider the environment before printing this email. -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/jwalu%40yahoo.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. 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KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. -- Brian Munyao Longwe e-mail: blongwe@gmail.com cell: +254715964281 blog : http://zinjlog.blogspot.com meta-blog: http://mashilingi.blogspot.com "Give us clear vision that we may know where to stand and what to stand for, because unless we stand for something, we shall fall for anything." _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/robertyawe%40yahoo.co.u... The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. 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On 12 April 2012 14:26, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Harry,
We are ageing, email is loosing is lustre and the new generation hate records and prefer platforms like twitter and facebook.
The responsibility for keeping the forum active remains with those over 35 year old who unfortunately are trying to fit in with the younger crowd.
uuummmmm is there a way out of this loop.^C
I'm below 35, but enjoy keeping records, in addition to facebook and twitter
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ------------------------------ *From:* Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> *To:* robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk *Cc:* 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Sent:* Thursday, 12 April 2012, 13:55
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Ara..!
Not many people seriously want to rejuvenate this forum, as per Brian/Walubengo’s suggestion…?
Cannot imagine the forum becoming a good case study one day for some thesis student. Whose research titles among others:- · “How-to-kill a good forum, kick it into the dustbin and leave it for the dead” · “The rise and rise, and fall and fall of a myriad of many ICT forums in Kenya, the major one being…. · “How-not-to build structural resilience and offer strategic leadership”. Why the big forum went M.I.A, and petered out.. · And the final one perhaps, “ Do not repeat the mistakes listed above, time for a RESET..”!
Certainly, unless otherwise – we might be headed for such a case study. Not sure if I should patent the titles, just in case..!
Harry
*From:* kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke[mailto: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] *On Behalf Of *Brian Munyao Longwe *Sent:* Thursday, April 12, 2012 12:50 AM *To:* harry@comtelsys.co.ke *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...!
I think Walu is on the right track. Every organisation for-profit or not, has to reassess it's strategy, relevance, business direction and thrust periodically or risk falling into the shadows.
Is it time for KICTAnet to do so?
As one of the founders and a trustee I think that the time has come.
My 2 shillings,
Brian On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 6:21 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote: @Wash,
Maybe Delano is insinuating something. Perhaps KICTAnet needs to re-juvinate and re-energize. Bring in new blood and thinking. What do we want from KICTAnet, 8yrs later? What management structures, membership structures, operational, financial structures do we want to see going forward?
Perhaps a brainstorming face2face session is due. I for one have been the moderator since inception and maybe someone else can do a better job and we just have not asked them to come forth. Think about it - I could have run out of ideas or some younger dot.commer <http://dot.com> may just be sitting on better ways of moderation that I have never imagined...
just my 2pings.
walu.
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On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 14:59, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke<http://mc/compose?to=harry@comtelsys.co.ke>> wrote: I’m not sure which is which, until I see some response on whether we might just as well happen to be drifting along rudderless…!!
You mean the post-Easter stupor, or??
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Hi, I was making a general statement, your response indicates that you are more the exception than the rule. I am sure you will agree with me that if I made the same statement on twitter there would have been 100 or more responses. If you notice Paul's response to my opendata dataset request was for me to send a message through twitter as that seems to have become the new platform of communication, even ask my namesake at Safaricom. I digress . . . . Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From: Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com> To: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Thursday, 12 April 2012, 14:31 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...! On 12 April 2012 14:26, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: Harry,
We are ageing, email is loosing is lustre and the new generation hate records and prefer platforms like twitter and facebook.
The responsibility for keeping the forum active remains with those over 35 year old who unfortunately are trying to fit in with the younger crowd.
uuummmmm is there a way out of this loop.^C
I'm below 35, but enjoy keeping records, in addition to facebook and twitter
Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
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Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Thursday, 12 April 2012, 13:55
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...!
Ara..! Not many people seriously want to rejuvenate this forum, as per Brian/Walubengo’s suggestion…? Cannot imagine the forum becoming a good case study one day for some thesis student. Whose research titles among others:- · “How-to-kill a good forum, kick it into the dustbin and leave it for the dead” · “The rise and rise, and fall and fall of a myriad of many ICT forums in Kenya, the major one being…. · “How-not-to build structural resilience and offer strategic leadership”. Why the big forum went M.I.A, and petered out.. · And the final one perhaps, “ Do not repeat the mistakes listed above, time for a RESET..”! Certainly, unless otherwise – we might be headed for such a case study. Not sure if I should patent the titles, just in case..! Harry From:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Brian Munyao Longwe Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 12:50 AM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...! I think Walu is on the right track. Every organisation for-profit or not, has to reassess it's strategy, relevance, business direction and thrust periodically or risk falling into the shadows. Is it time for KICTAnet to do so? As one of the founders and a trustee I think that the time has come. My 2 shillings, Brian On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 6:21 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote: @Wash,
Maybe Delano is insinuating something. Perhaps KICTAnet needs to re-juvinate and re-energize. Bring in new blood and thinking. What do we want from KICTAnet, 8yrs later? What management structures, membership structures, operational, financial structures do we want to see going forward?
Perhaps a brainstorming face2face session is due. I for one have been the moderator since inception and maybe someone else can do a better job and we just have not asked them to come forth. Think about it - I could have run out of ideas or some younger dot.commer may just be sitting on better ways of moderation that I have never imagined...
just my 2pings.
walu.
--- On Wed, 4/11/12, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...! To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Wednesday, April 11, 2012, 3:50 PM On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 14:59, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> wrote: I’m not sure which is which, until I see some response on whether we might just as well happen to be drifting along rudderless…!!
You mean the post-Easter stupor, or??
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Actually many under 35's lurk here. And no I prefer the list informal, peer to peer, maybe eve faceless. Gitau Sent from my iPad On 12 Apr 2012, at 14:51, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Hi,
I was making a general statement, your response indicates that you are more the exception than the rule.
I am sure you will agree with me that if I made the same statement on twitter there would have been 100 or more responses.
If you notice Paul's response to my opendata dataset request was for me to send a message through twitter as that seems to have become the new platform of communication, even ask my namesake at Safaricom.
I digress . . . .
Regards
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Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 From: Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com> To: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Thursday, 12 April 2012, 14:31 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...!
On 12 April 2012 14:26, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: Harry,
We are ageing, email is loosing is lustre and the new generation hate records and prefer platforms like twitter and facebook.
The responsibility for keeping the forum active remains with those over 35 year old who unfortunately are trying to fit in with the younger crowd.
uuummmmm is there a way out of this loop.^C
I'm below 35, but enjoy keeping records, in addition to facebook and twitter
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 From: Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Thursday, 12 April 2012, 13:55
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...!
Ara..!
Not many people seriously want to rejuvenate this forum, as per Brian/Walubengo’s suggestion…?
Cannot imagine the forum becoming a good case study one day for some thesis student. Whose research titles among others:- · “How-to-kill a good forum, kick it into the dustbin and leave it for the dead” · “The rise and rise, and fall and fall of a myriad of many ICT forums in Kenya, the major one being…. · “How-not-to build structural resilience and offer strategic leadership”. Why the big forum went M.I.A, and petered out.. · And the final one perhaps, “ Do not repeat the mistakes listed above, time for a RESET..”!
Certainly, unless otherwise – we might be headed for such a case study. Not sure if I should patent the titles, just in case..!
Harry
From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Brian Munyao Longwe Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 12:50 AM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...!
I think Walu is on the right track. Every organisation for-profit or not, has to reassess it's strategy, relevance, business direction and thrust periodically or risk falling into the shadows.
Is it time for KICTAnet to do so?
As one of the founders and a trustee I think that the time has come.
My 2 shillings,
Brian On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 6:21 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote: @Wash,
Maybe Delano is insinuating something. Perhaps KICTAnet needs to re-juvinate and re-energize. Bring in new blood and thinking. What do we want from KICTAnet, 8yrs later? What management structures, membership structures, operational, financial structures do we want to see going forward?
Perhaps a brainstorming face2face session is due. I for one have been the moderator since inception and maybe someone else can do a better job and we just have not asked them to come forth. Think about it - I could have run out of ideas or some younger dot.commer may just be sitting on better ways of moderation that I have never imagined...
just my 2pings.
walu.
--- On Wed, 4/11/12, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...! To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Wednesday, April 11, 2012, 3:50 PM
On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 14:59, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> wrote: I’m not sure which is which, until I see some response on whether we might just as well happen to be drifting along rudderless…!!
You mean the post-Easter stupor, or??
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I am certainly above 35 and enjoy not only records but also the latest collaboration technologies "Google Hangouts<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QN38vHZjWXw>" I agree that we need to review our aim and strategies but we need to have a representative forum that allows for that to take place. @Brian you know many participant on this list are in read only mode. @Walu/@Washington - can you give us an idea of the number of people actively subscribed to the list? Not the names but the number. This will be a good place to start. Dealing with facts and not guess work. Thanks Joe On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 2:31 PM, Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com>wrote:
On 12 April 2012 14:26, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Harry,
We are ageing, email is loosing is lustre and the new generation hate records and prefer platforms like twitter and facebook.
The responsibility for keeping the forum active remains with those over 35 year old who unfortunately are trying to fit in with the younger crowd.
uuummmmm is there a way out of this loop.^C
I'm below 35, but enjoy keeping records, in addition to facebook and twitter
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ------------------------------ *From:* Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> *To:* robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk *Cc:* 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Sent:* Thursday, 12 April 2012, 13:55
*Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...!
Ara..!
Not many people seriously want to rejuvenate this forum, as per Brian/Walubengo’s suggestion…?
Cannot imagine the forum becoming a good case study one day for some thesis student. Whose research titles among others:- · “How-to-kill a good forum, kick it into the dustbin and leave it for the dead” · “The rise and rise, and fall and fall of a myriad of many ICT forums in Kenya, the major one being…. · “How-not-to build structural resilience and offer strategic leadership”. Why the big forum went M.I.A, and petered out.. · And the final one perhaps, “ Do not repeat the mistakes listed above, time for a RESET..”!
Certainly, unless otherwise – we might be headed for such a case study. Not sure if I should patent the titles, just in case..!
Harry
*From:* kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke[mailto: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] *On Behalf Of *Brian Munyao Longwe *Sent:* Thursday, April 12, 2012 12:50 AM *To:* harry@comtelsys.co.ke *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...!
I think Walu is on the right track. Every organisation for-profit or not, has to reassess it's strategy, relevance, business direction and thrust periodically or risk falling into the shadows.
Is it time for KICTAnet to do so?
As one of the founders and a trustee I think that the time has come.
My 2 shillings,
Brian On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 6:21 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote: @Wash,
Maybe Delano is insinuating something. Perhaps KICTAnet needs to re-juvinate and re-energize. Bring in new blood and thinking. What do we want from KICTAnet, 8yrs later? What management structures, membership structures, operational, financial structures do we want to see going forward?
Perhaps a brainstorming face2face session is due. I for one have been the moderator since inception and maybe someone else can do a better job and we just have not asked them to come forth. Think about it - I could have run out of ideas or some younger dot.commer <http://dot.com> may just be sitting on better ways of moderation that I have never imagined...
just my 2pings.
walu.
--- On *Wed, 4/11/12, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>* wrote:
From: Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...! To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Wednesday, April 11, 2012, 3:50 PM
On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 14:59, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke<http://mc/compose?to=harry@comtelsys.co.ke>> wrote: I’m not sure which is which, until I see some response on whether we might just as well happen to be drifting along rudderless…!!
You mean the post-Easter stupor, or??
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The current list membership count is 692. This does not include even a single address to which mail cannot be delivered.
From my experience being on this list, many participants are, as Mucheru says, on "read only mode".
On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 14:53, Joseph Mucheru <mucheru@google.com> wrote:
I am certainly above 35 and enjoy not only records but also the latest collaboration technologies "Google Hangouts<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QN38vHZjWXw>" I agree that we need to review our aim and strategies but we need to have a representative forum that allows for that to take place. @Brian you know many participant on this list are in read only mode.
@Walu/@Washington - can you give us an idea of the number of people actively subscribed to the list? Not the names but the number. This will be a good place to start. Dealing with facts and not guess work.
Thanks
Joe
On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 2:31 PM, Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com
wrote:
On 12 April 2012 14:26, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Harry,
We are ageing, email is loosing is lustre and the new generation hate records and prefer platforms like twitter and facebook.
The responsibility for keeping the forum active remains with those over 35 year old who unfortunately are trying to fit in with the younger crowd.
uuummmmm is there a way out of this loop.^C
I'm below 35, but enjoy keeping records, in addition to facebook and twitter
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ------------------------------ *From:* Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> *To:* robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk *Cc:* 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Sent:* Thursday, 12 April 2012, 13:55
*Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...!
Ara..!
Not many people seriously want to rejuvenate this forum, as per Brian/Walubengo’s suggestion…?
Cannot imagine the forum becoming a good case study one day for some thesis student. Whose research titles among others:- · “How-to-kill a good forum, kick it into the dustbin and leave it for the dead” · “The rise and rise, and fall and fall of a myriad of many ICT forums in Kenya, the major one being…. · “How-not-to build structural resilience and offer strategic leadership”. Why the big forum went M.I.A, and petered out.. · And the final one perhaps, “ Do not repeat the mistakes listed above, time for a RESET..”!
Certainly, unless otherwise – we might be headed for such a case study. Not sure if I should patent the titles, just in case..!
Harry
*From:* kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke[mailto: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] *On Behalf Of *Brian Munyao Longwe *Sent:* Thursday, April 12, 2012 12:50 AM *To:* harry@comtelsys.co.ke *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...!
I think Walu is on the right track. Every organisation for-profit or not, has to reassess it's strategy, relevance, business direction and thrust periodically or risk falling into the shadows.
Is it time for KICTAnet to do so?
As one of the founders and a trustee I think that the time has come.
My 2 shillings,
Brian On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 6:21 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote: @Wash,
Maybe Delano is insinuating something. Perhaps KICTAnet needs to re-juvinate and re-energize. Bring in new blood and thinking. What do we want from KICTAnet, 8yrs later? What management structures, membership structures, operational, financial structures do we want to see going forward?
Perhaps a brainstorming face2face session is due. I for one have been the moderator since inception and maybe someone else can do a better job and we just have not asked them to come forth. Think about it - I could have run out of ideas or some younger dot.commer <http://dot.com> may just be sitting on better ways of moderation that I have never imagined...
just my 2pings.
walu.
--- On *Wed, 4/11/12, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>* wrote:
From: Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...! To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Wednesday, April 11, 2012, 3:50 PM
On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 14:59, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke<http://mc/compose?to=harry@comtelsys.co.ke>> wrote: I’m not sure which is which, until I see some response on whether we might just as well happen to be drifting along rudderless…!!
You mean the post-Easter stupor, or??
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Hi, The ratio of active members to total membership is normally 10% any other way and we shall need to rewrite the business books and increase the number of teachers in schools. A vote will not help as many of the read only members will still not vote, can we then implement a CPE (continuous professional education) point system where as a member of the list you must make at least 1 contribution per year to retain your membership. On sites like Wazua they give categories the members and on most support forums the members give points for the quality of contributions (ooops should not have brought that one up). My 30 bob Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From: Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Thursday, 12 April 2012, 15:07 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...! The current list membership count is 692. This does not include even a single address to which mail cannot be delivered. From my experience being on this list, many participants are, as Mucheru says, on "read only mode". On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 14:53, Joseph Mucheru <mucheru@google.com> wrote: I am certainly above 35 and enjoy not only records but also the latest collaboration technologies "Google Hangouts" I agree that we need to review our aim and strategies but we need to have a representative forum that allows for that to take place. @Brian you know many participant on this list are in read only mode.
@Walu/@Washington - can you give us an idea of the number of people actively subscribed to the list? Not the names but the number. This will be a good place to start. Dealing with facts and not guess work.
Thanks
Joe
On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 2:31 PM, Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com> wrote:
On 12 April 2012 14:26, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Harry,
We are ageing, email is loosing is lustre and the new generation hate records and prefer platforms like twitter and facebook.
The responsibility for keeping the forum active remains with those over 35 year old who unfortunately are trying to fit in with the younger crowd.
uuummmmm is there a way out of this loop.^C
I'm below 35, but enjoy keeping records, in addition to facebook and twitter
Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
________________________________ From: Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk
Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Thursday, 12 April 2012, 13:55
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...!
Ara..! Not many people seriously want to rejuvenate this forum, as per Brian/Walubengo’s suggestion…? Cannot imagine the forum becoming a good case study one day for some thesis student. Whose research titles among others:- · “How-to-kill a good forum, kick it into the dustbin and leave it for the dead” · “The rise and rise, and fall and fall of a myriad of many ICT forums in Kenya, the major one being…. · “How-not-to build structural resilience and offer strategic leadership”. Why the big forum went M.I.A, and petered out.. · And the final one perhaps, “ Do not repeat the mistakes listed above, time for a RESET..”! Certainly, unless otherwise – we might be headed for such a case study. Not sure if I should patent the titles, just in case..! Harry From:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Brian Munyao Longwe Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 12:50 AM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...! I think Walu is on the right track. Every organisation for-profit or not, has to reassess it's strategy, relevance, business direction and thrust periodically or risk falling into the shadows. Is it time for KICTAnet to do so? As one of the founders and a trustee I think that the time has come. My 2 shillings, Brian On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 6:21 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote: @Wash,
Maybe Delano is insinuating something. Perhaps KICTAnet needs to re-juvinate and re-energize. Bring in new blood and thinking. What do we want from KICTAnet, 8yrs later? What management structures, membership structures, operational, financial structures do we want to see going forward?
Perhaps a brainstorming face2face session is due. I for one have been the moderator since inception and maybe someone else can do a better job and we just have not asked them to come forth. Think about it - I could have run out of ideas or some younger dot.commer may just be sitting on better ways of moderation that I have never imagined...
just my 2pings.
walu.
--- On Wed, 4/11/12, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...! To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Wednesday, April 11, 2012, 3:50 PM On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 14:59, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> wrote: I’m not sure which is which, until I see some response on whether we might just as well happen to be drifting along rudderless…!!
You mean the post-Easter stupor, or??
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Hi, I agree with Robert on the 10% of members would normally be active. I don't think "Read Mode" is necessarily a bad thing. Even Solomon in his wisdom said "Proverbs 17:28 Even a fool who keeps silent is considered wise; when he closes his lips, he is deemed intelligent." As the Lister's are mostly Kenyans, they are stakeholders. As indicated elsewhere, this list consists of people from different walks of life or sectors thus people tend to contribute to conversations that touch on their area of passion or expertise. Kudos to those who have been active the rest of us are the silent interested listeners. However silence is not inactivity. Etinick On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 3:28 PM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Hi,
The ratio of active members to total membership is normally 10% any other way and we shall need to rewrite the business books and increase the number of teachers in schools.
A vote will not help as many of the read only members will still not vote, can we then implement a CPE (continuous professional education) point system where as a member of the list you must make at least 1 contribution per year to retain your membership.
On sites like Wazua they give categories the members and on most support forums the members give points for the quality of contributions (ooops should not have brought that one up).
My 30 bob
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
------------------------------ *From:* Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>
*To:* robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Sent:* Thursday, 12 April 2012, 15:07
*Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...!
The current list membership count is 692. This does not include even a single address to which mail cannot be delivered.
From my experience being on this list, many participants are, as Mucheru says, on "read only mode".
On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 14:53, Joseph Mucheru <mucheru@google.com> wrote:
I am certainly above 35 and enjoy not only records but also the latest collaboration technologies "Google Hangouts<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QN38vHZjWXw>" I agree that we need to review our aim and strategies but we need to have a representative forum that allows for that to take place. @Brian you know many participant on this list are in read only mode.
@Walu/@Washington - can you give us an idea of the number of people actively subscribed to the list? Not the names but the number. This will be a good place to start. Dealing with facts and not guess work.
Thanks
Joe
On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 2:31 PM, Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau < solo.mburu@gmail.com> wrote:
On 12 April 2012 14:26, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Harry,
We are ageing, email is loosing is lustre and the new generation hate records and prefer platforms like twitter and facebook.
The responsibility for keeping the forum active remains with those over 35 year old who unfortunately are trying to fit in with the younger crowd.
uuummmmm is there a way out of this loop.^C
I'm below 35, but enjoy keeping records, in addition to facebook and twitter
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ------------------------------ *From:* Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> *To:* robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk *Cc:* 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Sent:* Thursday, 12 April 2012, 13:55
*Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...!
Ara..!
Not many people seriously want to rejuvenate this forum, as per Brian/Walubengo’s suggestion…?
Cannot imagine the forum becoming a good case study one day for some thesis student. Whose research titles among others:- · “How-to-kill a good forum, kick it into the dustbin and leave it for the dead” · “The rise and rise, and fall and fall of a myriad of many ICT forums in Kenya, the major one being…. · “How-not-to build structural resilience and offer strategic leadership”. Why the big forum went M.I.A, and petered out.. · And the final one perhaps, “ Do not repeat the mistakes listed above, time for a RESET..”!
Certainly, unless otherwise – we might be headed for such a case study. Not sure if I should patent the titles, just in case..!
Harry
*From:* kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke[mailto: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] *On Behalf Of *Brian Munyao Longwe *Sent:* Thursday, April 12, 2012 12:50 AM *To:* harry@comtelsys.co.ke *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...!
I think Walu is on the right track. Every organisation for-profit or not, has to reassess it's strategy, relevance, business direction and thrust periodically or risk falling into the shadows.
Is it time for KICTAnet to do so?
As one of the founders and a trustee I think that the time has come.
My 2 shillings,
Brian On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 6:21 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote: @Wash,
Maybe Delano is insinuating something. Perhaps KICTAnet needs to re-juvinate and re-energize. Bring in new blood and thinking. What do we want from KICTAnet, 8yrs later? What management structures, membership structures, operational, financial structures do we want to see going forward?
Perhaps a brainstorming face2face session is due. I for one have been the moderator since inception and maybe someone else can do a better job and we just have not asked them to come forth. Think about it - I could have run out of ideas or some younger dot.commer <http://dot.com/> may just be sitting on better ways of moderation that I have never imagined...
just my 2pings.
walu.
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From: Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...! To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Wednesday, April 11, 2012, 3:50 PM
On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 14:59, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke<http://mc/compose?to=harry@comtelsys.co.ke>> wrote: I’m not sure which is which, until I see some response on whether we might just as well happen to be drifting along rudderless…!!
You mean the post-Easter stupor, or??
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Joe, Currently listed number is 690 members from diverse backgrounds of Media, Academia, Govt, Regulator, Telcos(fixed, mobile, wireless). But as you noted not everyone is active -80% are often in read-only mode. That is one reason I thought we needed new thinking and new approaches... walu. --- On Thu, 4/12/12, Joseph Mucheru <mucheru@google.com> wrote: From: Joseph Mucheru <mucheru@google.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...! To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Thursday, April 12, 2012, 2:53 PM I am certainly above 35 and enjoy not only records but also the latest collaboration technologies "Google Hangouts" I agree that we need to review our aim and strategies but we need to have a representative forum that allows for that to take place. @Brian you know many participant on this list are in read only mode. @Walu/@Washington - can you give us an idea of the number of people actively subscribed to the list? Not the names but the number. This will be a good place to start. Dealing with facts and not guess work. Thanks Joe On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 2:31 PM, Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com> wrote: On 12 April 2012 14:26, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: Harry, We are ageing, email is loosing is lustre and the new generation hate records and prefer platforms like twitter and facebook. The responsibility for keeping the forum active remains with those over 35 year old who unfortunately are trying to fit in with the younger crowd. uuummmmm is there a way out of this loop.^C I'm below 35, but enjoy keeping records, in addition to facebook and twitter Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 From: Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Thursday, 12 April 2012, 13:55 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...! Ara..! Not many people seriously want to rejuvenate this forum, as per Brian/Walubengo’s suggestion…? Cannot imagine the forum becoming a good case study one day for some thesis student. Whose research titles among others:- · “How-to-kill a good forum, kick it into the dustbin and leave it for the dead” · “The rise and rise, and fall and fall of a myriad of many ICT forums in Kenya, the major one being…. · “How-not-to build structural resilience and offer strategic leadership”. Why the big forum went M.I.A, and petered out.. · And the final one perhaps, “ Do not repeat the mistakes listed above, time for a RESET..”! Certainly, unless otherwise – we might be headed for such a case study. Not sure if I should patent the titles, just in case..! Harry From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Brian Munyao Longwe Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 12:50 AM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...! I think Walu is on the right track. Every organisation for-profit or not, has to reassess it's strategy, relevance, business direction and thrust periodically or risk falling into the shadows. Is it time for KICTAnet to do so? As one of the founders and a trustee I think that the time has come. My 2 shillings, BrianOn Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 6:21 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote: @Wash, Maybe Delano is insinuating something. Perhaps KICTAnet needs to re-juvinate and re-energize. Bring in new blood and thinking. What do we want from KICTAnet, 8yrs later? What management structures, membership structures, operational, financial structures do we want to see going forward? Perhaps a brainstorming face2face session is due. I for one have been the moderator since inception and maybe someone else can do a better job and we just have not asked them to come forth. Think about it - I could have run out of ideas or some younger dot.commer may just be sitting on better ways of moderation that I have never imagined... just my 2pings. walu. --- On Wed, 4/11/12, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote: From: Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...! To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Wednesday, April 11, 2012, 3:50 PM On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 14:59, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> wrote: I’m not sure which is which, until I see some response on whether we might just as well happen to be drifting along rudderless…!! You mean the post-Easter stupor, or?? -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler. 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for all its worth, i think KiCTANET serves a role that ought not to be disrupted. When i have beef with my service provider, if im courteous enough and present my case in a way that does not necessarily translate to direct attacks on individual, it is a forum i am sure my grievances will reach up there. KiCTANET to me represents some form of e - justice where technically it is very wanting, (ever gone to report to the police that someone has refused to transfer your domain name to you? ) My take ? in all these restructuring lets not lose focus of that. On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 3:41 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
Joe,
Currently listed number is 690 members from diverse backgrounds of Media, Academia, Govt, Regulator, Telcos(fixed, mobile, wireless). But as you noted not everyone is active -80% are often in read-only mode. That is one reason I thought we needed new thinking and new approaches...
walu.
--- On *Thu, 4/12/12, Joseph Mucheru <mucheru@google.com>* wrote:
From: Joseph Mucheru <mucheru@google.com>
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...! To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Thursday, April 12, 2012, 2:53 PM
I am certainly above 35 and enjoy not only records but also the latest collaboration technologies "Google Hangouts<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QN38vHZjWXw>" I agree that we need to review our aim and strategies but we need to have a representative forum that allows for that to take place. @Brian you know many participant on this list are in read only mode.
@Walu/@Washington - can you give us an idea of the number of people actively subscribed to the list? Not the names but the number. This will be a good place to start. Dealing with facts and not guess work.
Thanks
Joe
On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 2:31 PM, Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com<http://mc/compose?to=solo.mburu@gmail.com>
wrote:
On 12 April 2012 14:26, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk<http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:
Harry,
We are ageing, email is loosing is lustre and the new generation hate records and prefer platforms like twitter and facebook.
The responsibility for keeping the forum active remains with those over 35 year old who unfortunately are trying to fit in with the younger crowd.
uuummmmm is there a way out of this loop.^C
I'm below 35, but enjoy keeping records, in addition to facebook and twitter
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ------------------------------ *From:* Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke<http://mc/compose?to=harry@comtelsys.co.ke>
*To:* robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk <http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> *Cc:* 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/compose?to=kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>>
*Sent:* Thursday, 12 April 2012, 13:55
*Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...!
Ara..!
Not many people seriously want to rejuvenate this forum, as per Brian/Walubengo’s suggestion…?
Cannot imagine the forum becoming a good case study one day for some thesis student. Whose research titles among others:- · “How-to-kill a good forum, kick it into the dustbin and leave it for the dead” · “The rise and rise, and fall and fall of a myriad of many ICT forums in Kenya, the major one being…. · “How-not-to build structural resilience and offer strategic leadership”. Why the big forum went M.I.A, and petered out.. · And the final one perhaps, “ Do not repeat the mistakes listed above, time for a RESET..”!
Certainly, unless otherwise – we might be headed for such a case study. Not sure if I should patent the titles, just in case..!
Harry
*From:* kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke>[mailto: kictanet-bounces+harry <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet-bounces%2Bharry>= comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke>] *On Behalf Of *Brian Munyao Longwe *Sent:* Thursday, April 12, 2012 12:50 AM *To:* harry@comtelsys.co.ke <http://mc/compose?to=harry@comtelsys.co.ke> *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...!
I think Walu is on the right track. Every organisation for-profit or not, has to reassess it's strategy, relevance, business direction and thrust periodically or risk falling into the shadows.
Is it time for KICTAnet to do so?
As one of the founders and a trustee I think that the time has come.
My 2 shillings,
Brian On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 6:21 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com<http://mc/compose?to=jwalu@yahoo.com>> wrote: @Wash,
Maybe Delano is insinuating something. Perhaps KICTAnet needs to re-juvinate and re-energize. Bring in new blood and thinking. What do we want from KICTAnet, 8yrs later? What management structures, membership structures, operational, financial structures do we want to see going forward?
Perhaps a brainstorming face2face session is due. I for one have been the moderator since inception and maybe someone else can do a better job and we just have not asked them to come forth. Think about it - I could have run out of ideas or some younger dot.commer <http://dot.com> may just be sitting on better ways of moderation that I have never imagined...
just my 2pings.
walu.
--- On *Wed, 4/11/12, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com<http://mc/compose?to=odhiambo@gmail.com>
* wrote:
From: Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com<http://mc/compose?to=odhiambo@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...! To: jwalu@yahoo.com <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu@yahoo.com> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/compose?to=kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>
Date: Wednesday, April 11, 2012, 3:50 PM
On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 14:59, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke<http://mc/compose?to=harry@comtelsys.co.ke>> wrote: I’m not sure which is which, until I see some response on whether we might just as well happen to be drifting along rudderless…!!
You mean the post-Easter stupor, or??
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If we go back to early discussions about the multi-stakeholder network known as KICTAnet I recall there being a distinction between the mailing list participants, and those stakeholders who would actively engage in KICTAnet "activities". My take is that since there have been no "activities" as such - the feeling is that KICTAnet has "kicked" to borrow a phrase from @Harry. I remember there used to be monthly face-to-face meetings which followed a particular topic or theme of interest and served as an opportunity for participants from the various networks to meet within the context of the "network of networks". At the time there was program funding from donor to cover costs of those meetings, this has presumably, run out. Which leads me to ask, can we mobilise funds locally? At least for these gatherings? As they will give a greater element of traction to the organization while ensuring that it continues to remain relevant within the sector. Especially as the melting pot for policy debate. Best regards, Brian On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 3:41 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
Joe,
Currently listed number is 690 members from diverse backgrounds of Media, Academia, Govt, Regulator, Telcos(fixed, mobile, wireless). But as you noted not everyone is active -80% are often in read-only mode. That is one reason I thought we needed new thinking and new approaches...
walu.
--- On *Thu, 4/12/12, Joseph Mucheru <mucheru@google.com>* wrote:
From: Joseph Mucheru <mucheru@google.com>
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...! To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Thursday, April 12, 2012, 2:53 PM
I am certainly above 35 and enjoy not only records but also the latest collaboration technologies "Google Hangouts<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QN38vHZjWXw>" I agree that we need to review our aim and strategies but we need to have a representative forum that allows for that to take place. @Brian you know many participant on this list are in read only mode.
@Walu/@Washington - can you give us an idea of the number of people actively subscribed to the list? Not the names but the number. This will be a good place to start. Dealing with facts and not guess work.
Thanks
Joe
On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 2:31 PM, Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com<http://mc/compose?to=solo.mburu@gmail.com>
wrote:
On 12 April 2012 14:26, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk<http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:
Harry,
We are ageing, email is loosing is lustre and the new generation hate records and prefer platforms like twitter and facebook.
The responsibility for keeping the forum active remains with those over 35 year old who unfortunately are trying to fit in with the younger crowd.
uuummmmm is there a way out of this loop.^C
I'm below 35, but enjoy keeping records, in addition to facebook and twitter
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ------------------------------ *From:* Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke<http://mc/compose?to=harry@comtelsys.co.ke>
*To:* robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk <http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> *Cc:* 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/compose?to=kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>>
*Sent:* Thursday, 12 April 2012, 13:55
*Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...!
Ara..!
Not many people seriously want to rejuvenate this forum, as per Brian/Walubengo’s suggestion…?
Cannot imagine the forum becoming a good case study one day for some thesis student. Whose research titles among others:- · “How-to-kill a good forum, kick it into the dustbin and leave it for the dead” · “The rise and rise, and fall and fall of a myriad of many ICT forums in Kenya, the major one being…. · “How-not-to build structural resilience and offer strategic leadership”. Why the big forum went M.I.A, and petered out.. · And the final one perhaps, “ Do not repeat the mistakes listed above, time for a RESET..”!
Certainly, unless otherwise – we might be headed for such a case study. Not sure if I should patent the titles, just in case..!
Harry
*From:* kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke>[mailto: kictanet-bounces+harry <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet-bounces%2Bharry>= comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke>] *On Behalf Of *Brian Munyao Longwe *Sent:* Thursday, April 12, 2012 12:50 AM *To:* harry@comtelsys.co.ke <http://mc/compose?to=harry@comtelsys.co.ke> *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...!
I think Walu is on the right track. Every organisation for-profit or not, has to reassess it's strategy, relevance, business direction and thrust periodically or risk falling into the shadows.
Is it time for KICTAnet to do so?
As one of the founders and a trustee I think that the time has come.
My 2 shillings,
Brian On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 6:21 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com<http://mc/compose?to=jwalu@yahoo.com>> wrote: @Wash,
Maybe Delano is insinuating something. Perhaps KICTAnet needs to re-juvinate and re-energize. Bring in new blood and thinking. What do we want from KICTAnet, 8yrs later? What management structures, membership structures, operational, financial structures do we want to see going forward?
Perhaps a brainstorming face2face session is due. I for one have been the moderator since inception and maybe someone else can do a better job and we just have not asked them to come forth. Think about it - I could have run out of ideas or some younger dot.commer <http://dot.com> may just be sitting on better ways of moderation that I have never imagined...
just my 2pings.
walu.
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* wrote:
From: Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com<http://mc/compose?to=odhiambo@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...! To: jwalu@yahoo.com <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu@yahoo.com> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/compose?to=kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>
Date: Wednesday, April 11, 2012, 3:50 PM
On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 14:59, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke<http://mc/compose?to=harry@comtelsys.co.ke>> wrote: I’m not sure which is which, until I see some response on whether we might just as well happen to be drifting along rudderless…!!
You mean the post-Easter stupor, or??
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Hey all, there is a strategy document floating somewhere. I think this could be a good place to start – see what has been achieved, what fell by the way side, identify what is still relevant, plug in new ideas and strengthen the network. KICTANet should never be allowed to "kick". Harry Hare Director African eDevelopment Resource Centre PO Box 49475 00100 Nairobi, Kenya Tel +254 20 4041646 Cel +254 725 650044 From: Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 15:57:45 +0300 To: Harry Hare <harry@africanedevelopment.org> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...! If we go back to early discussions about the multi-stakeholder network known as KICTAnet I recall there being a distinction between the mailing list participants, and those stakeholders who would actively engage in KICTAnet "activities". My take is that since there have been no "activities" as such - the feeling is that KICTAnet has "kicked" to borrow a phrase from @Harry. I remember there used to be monthly face-to-face meetings which followed a particular topic or theme of interest and served as an opportunity for participants from the various networks to meet within the context of the "network of networks". At the time there was program funding from donor to cover costs of those meetings, this has presumably, run out. Which leads me to ask, can we mobilise funds locally? At least for these gatherings? As they will give a greater element of traction to the organization while ensuring that it continues to remain relevant within the sector. Especially as the melting pot for policy debate. Best regards, Brian On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 3:41 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
Joe,
Currently listed number is 690 members from diverse backgrounds of Media, Academia, Govt, Regulator, Telcos(fixed, mobile, wireless). But as you noted not everyone is active -80% are often in read-only mode. That is one reason I thought we needed new thinking and new approaches...
walu.
--- On Thu, 4/12/12, Joseph Mucheru <mucheru@google.com> wrote:
From: Joseph Mucheru <mucheru@google.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...! To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Thursday, April 12, 2012, 2:53 PM
I am certainly above 35 and enjoy not only records but also the latest collaboration technologies "Google Hangouts <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QN38vHZjWXw> " I agree that we need to review our aim and strategies but we need to have a representative forum that allows for that to take place. @Brian you know many participant on this list are in read only mode.
@Walu/@Washington - can you give us an idea of the number of people actively subscribed to the list? Not the names but the number. This will be a good place to start. Dealing with facts and not guess work.
Thanks
Joe
On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 2:31 PM, Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com <http://mc/compose?to=solo.mburu@gmail.com> > wrote:
On 12 April 2012 14:26, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk <http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> > wrote:
Harry,
We are ageing, email is loosing is lustre and the new generation hate records and prefer platforms like twitter and facebook.
The responsibility for keeping the forum active remains with those over 35 year old who unfortunately are trying to fit in with the younger crowd.
uuummmmm is there a way out of this loop.^C
I'm below 35, but enjoy keeping records, in addition to facebook and twitter
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
From: Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke <http://mc/compose?to=harry@comtelsys.co.ke> > To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk <http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> >
Sent: Thursday, 12 April 2012, 13:55 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...!
Ara..!
Not many people seriously want to rejuvenate this forum, as per Brian/Walubengo’s suggestion…?
Cannot imagine the forum becoming a good case study one day for some thesis student. Whose research titles among others:- · “How-to-kill a good forum, kick it into the dustbin and leave it for the dead” · “The rise and rise, and fall and fall of a myriad of many ICT forums in Kenya, the major one being…. · “How-not-to build structural resilience and offer strategic leadership”. Why the big forum went M.I.A, and petered out.. · And the final one perhaps, “ Do not repeat the mistakes listed above, time for a RESET..”!
Certainly, unless otherwise – we might be headed for such a case study. Not sure if I should patent the titles, just in case..!
Harry
From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke> [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet-bounces%2Bharry> =comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke> ] On Behalf Of Brian Munyao Longwe Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 12:50 AM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke <http://mc/compose?to=harry@comtelsys.co.ke> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...!
I think Walu is on the right track. Every organisation for-profit or not, has to reassess it's strategy, relevance, business direction and thrust periodically or risk falling into the shadows.
Is it time for KICTAnet to do so?
As one of the founders and a trustee I think that the time has come.
My 2 shillings,
Brian On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 6:21 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu@yahoo.com> > wrote: @Wash,
Maybe Delano is insinuating something. Perhaps KICTAnet needs to re-juvinate and re-energize. Bring in new blood and thinking. What do we want from KICTAnet, 8yrs later? What management structures, membership structures, operational, financial structures do we want to see going forward?
Perhaps a brainstorming face2face session is due. I for one have been the moderator since inception and maybe someone else can do a better job and we just have not asked them to come forth. Think about it - I could have run out of ideas or some younger dot.commer <http://dot.com> may just be sitting on better ways of moderation that I have never imagined...
just my 2pings.
walu.
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From: Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com <http://mc/compose?to=odhiambo@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...! To: jwalu@yahoo.com <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu@yahoo.com> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> > Date: Wednesday, April 11, 2012, 3:50 PM
On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 14:59, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke <http://mc/compose?to=harry@comtelsys.co.ke> > wrote: I’m not sure which is which, until I see some response on whether we might just as well happen to be drifting along rudderless…!!
You mean the post-Easter stupor, or??
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Now we talking. Please if you happen to be on this list, but presently on “read-only-mode” ( a new phrase I have learnt), please realize you owe it to this noble forum, started by noble people, with noble ideas at least in a way to leave some mark… So can we ensure that this forum carries the flag up higher and make a mark in this land and beyond that we can believe in. Have looked around, do not see any other forum with such broad/diverse membership. Let’s keep the ideas coming in.. Harry From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Harry Hare Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 4:17 PM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...! Hey all, there is a strategy document floating somewhere. I think this could be a good place to start – see what has been achieved, what fell by the way side, identify what is still relevant, plug in new ideas and strengthen the network. KICTANet should never be allowed to "kick". Harry Hare Director African eDevelopment Resource Centre PO Box 49475 00100 Nairobi, Kenya Tel +254 20 4041646 Cel +254 725 650044 From: Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 15:57:45 +0300 To: Harry Hare <harry@africanedevelopment.org> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...! If we go back to early discussions about the multi-stakeholder network known as KICTAnet I recall there being a distinction between the mailing list participants, and those stakeholders who would actively engage in KICTAnet "activities". My take is that since there have been no "activities" as such - the feeling is that KICTAnet has "kicked" to borrow a phrase from @Harry. I remember there used to be monthly face-to-face meetings which followed a particular topic or theme of interest and served as an opportunity for participants from the various networks to meet within the context of the "network of networks". At the time there was program funding from donor to cover costs of those meetings, this has presumably, run out. Which leads me to ask, can we mobilise funds locally? At least for these gatherings? As they will give a greater element of traction to the organization while ensuring that it continues to remain relevant within the sector. Especially as the melting pot for policy debate. Best regards, Brian On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 3:41 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote: Joe, Currently listed number is 690 members from diverse backgrounds of Media, Academia, Govt, Regulator, Telcos(fixed, mobile, wireless). But as you noted not everyone is active -80% are often in read-only mode. That is one reason I thought we needed new thinking and new approaches... walu. --- On Thu, 4/12/12, Joseph Mucheru <mucheru@google.com> wrote: From: Joseph Mucheru <mucheru@google.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...! To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Thursday, April 12, 2012, 2:53 PM I am certainly above 35 and enjoy not only records but also the latest collaboration technologies "Google Hangouts <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QN38vHZjWXw> " I agree that we need to review our aim and strategies but we need to have a representative forum that allows for that to take place. @Brian you know many participant on this list are in read only mode. @Walu/@Washington - can you give us an idea of the number of people actively subscribed to the list? Not the names but the number. This will be a good place to start. Dealing with facts and not guess work. Thanks Joe On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 2:31 PM, Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com <http://mc/compose?to=solo.mburu@gmail.com> > wrote: On 12 April 2012 14:26, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk <http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> > wrote: Harry, We are ageing, email is loosing is lustre and the new generation hate records and prefer platforms like twitter and facebook. The responsibility for keeping the forum active remains with those over 35 year old who unfortunately are trying to fit in with the younger crowd. uuummmmm is there a way out of this loop.^C I'm below 35, but enjoy keeping records, in addition to facebook and twitter Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 _____ From: Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke <http://mc/compose?to=harry@comtelsys.co.ke> > To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk <http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> > Sent: Thursday, 12 April 2012, 13:55 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...! Ara..! Not many people seriously want to rejuvenate this forum, as per Brian/Walubengo’s suggestion…? Cannot imagine the forum becoming a good case study one day for some thesis student. Whose research titles among others:- · “How-to-kill a good forum, kick it into the dustbin and leave it for the dead” · “The rise and rise, and fall and fall of a myriad of many ICT forums in Kenya, the major one being…. · “How-not-to build structural resilience and offer strategic leadership”. Why the big forum went M.I.A, and petered out.. · And the final one perhaps, “ Do not repeat the mistakes listed above, time for a RESET..”! Certainly, unless otherwise – we might be headed for such a case study. Not sure if I should patent the titles, just in case..! Harry From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke> [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet-bounces%2Bharry> =comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke> ] On Behalf Of Brian Munyao Longwe Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 12:50 AM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke <http://mc/compose?to=harry@comtelsys.co.ke> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...! I think Walu is on the right track. Every organisation for-profit or not, has to reassess it's strategy, relevance, business direction and thrust periodically or risk falling into the shadows. Is it time for KICTAnet to do so? As one of the founders and a trustee I think that the time has come. My 2 shillings, Brian On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 6:21 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu@yahoo.com> > wrote: @Wash, Maybe Delano is insinuating something. Perhaps KICTAnet needs to re-juvinate and re-energize. Bring in new blood and thinking. What do we want from KICTAnet, 8yrs later? What management structures, membership structures, operational, financial structures do we want to see going forward? Perhaps a brainstorming face2face session is due. I for one have been the moderator since inception and maybe someone else can do a better job and we just have not asked them to come forth. Think about it - I could have run out of ideas or some younger dot.commer <http://dot.com> may just be sitting on better ways of moderation that I have never imagined... just my 2pings. walu. --- On Wed, 4/11/12, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com <http://mc/compose?to=odhiambo@gmail.com> > wrote: From: Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com <http://mc/compose?to=odhiambo@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...! To: jwalu@yahoo.com <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu@yahoo.com> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> > Date: Wednesday, April 11, 2012, 3:50 PM On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 14:59, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke <http://mc/compose?to=harry@comtelsys.co.ke> > wrote: I’m not sure which is which, until I see some response on whether we might just as well happen to be drifting along rudderless…!! 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The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
Now that we have to weigh in, I think this is an important list that it serves its purposes well. If it falls silent for some time, then it means that everyone is happy, which is not a bad thing. When its active, it means that people have issues, and they have a good place and forum to air their concerns and opinion relating to the industry. As for the lurkers, they are also good to have. As someone said, one will always speak out when their area of interest is mentioned and they have an opinion to share. Regards, Evans On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 4:49 PM, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> wrote:
Now we talking. Please if you happen to be on this list, but presently on “read-only-mode” ( a new phrase I have learnt),****
please realize you owe it to this noble forum, started by noble people, with noble ideas at least in a way to leave some****
mark…****
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So can we ensure that this forum carries the flag up higher and make a mark in this land and beyond that we can believe ****
in. Have looked around, do not see any other forum with such broad/diverse membership.****
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*From:* kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] *On Behalf Of *Harry Hare *Sent:* Thursday, April 12, 2012 4:17 PM
*To:* harry@comtelsys.co.ke *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...!****
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Hey all, there is a strategy document floating somewhere. I think this could be a good place to start – see what has been achieved, what fell by the way side, identify what is still relevant, plug in new ideas and strengthen the network. KICTANet should never be allowed to "kick".****
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*From: *Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com> *Date: *Thu, 12 Apr 2012 15:57:45 +0300 *To: *Harry Hare <harry@africanedevelopment.org> *Cc: *KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Subject: *Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...!****
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If we go back to early discussions about the multi-stakeholder network known as KICTAnet I recall there being a distinction between the mailing list participants, and those stakeholders who would actively engage in KICTAnet "activities".****
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My take is that since there have been no "activities" as such - the feeling is that KICTAnet has "kicked" to borrow a phrase from @Harry.****
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I remember there used to be monthly face-to-face meetings which followed a particular topic or theme of interest and served as an opportunity for participants from the various networks to meet within the context of the "network of networks". At the time there was program funding from donor to cover costs of those meetings, this has presumably, run out. Which leads me to ask, can we mobilise funds locally? At least for these gatherings? As they will give a greater element of traction to the organization while ensuring that it continues to remain relevant within the sector. Especially as the melting pot for policy debate.****
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Best regards,****
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Brian****
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On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 3:41 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:****
Joe,
Currently listed number is 690 members from diverse backgrounds of Media, Academia, Govt, Regulator, Telcos(fixed, mobile, wireless). But as you noted not everyone is active -80% are often in read-only mode. That is one reason I thought we needed new thinking and new approaches...
walu.
--- On *Thu, 4/12/12, Joseph Mucheru <mucheru@google.com>* wrote:****
From: Joseph Mucheru <mucheru@google.com>****
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...! To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>****
Date: Thursday, April 12, 2012, 2:53 PM****
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I am certainly above 35 and enjoy not only records but also the latest collaboration technologies "Google Hangouts<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QN38vHZjWXw>" I agree that we need to review our aim and strategies but we need to have a representative forum that allows for that to take place. @Brian you know many participant on this list are in read only mode.****
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@Walu/@Washington - can you give us an idea of the number of people actively subscribed to the list? Not the names but the number. This will be a good place to start. Dealing with facts and not guess work.****
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Thanks****
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Joe****
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On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 2:31 PM, Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com<http://mc/compose?to=solo.mburu@gmail.com>> wrote:****
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On 12 April 2012 14:26, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk<http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk>> wrote:****
Harry,****
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We are ageing, email is loosing is lustre and the new generation hate records and prefer platforms like twitter and facebook.****
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The responsibility for keeping the forum active remains with those over 35 year old who unfortunately are trying to fit in with the younger crowd.*** *
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uuummmmm is there a way out of this loop.^C****
I'm below 35, but enjoy keeping records, in addition to facebook and twitter ****
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Regards ****
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*From:* Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke<http://mc/compose?to=harry@comtelsys.co.ke>
*To:* robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk <http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> ****
*Cc:* 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/compose?to=kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>> ****
*Sent:* Thursday, 12 April 2012, 13:55****
*Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...!****
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Ara..!****
****
Not many people seriously want to rejuvenate this forum, as per Brian/Walubengo’s suggestion…?****
****
Cannot imagine the forum becoming a good case study one day for some thesis student. Whose research titles among others:-****
· “How-to-kill a good forum, kick it into the dustbin and leave it for the dead” ****
· “The rise and rise, and fall and fall of a myriad of many ICT forums in Kenya, the major one being….****
· “How-not-to build structural resilience and offer strategic leadership”. Why the big forum went M.I.A, and petered out..****
· And the final one perhaps, “ Do not repeat the mistakes listed above, time for a RESET..”!****
****
Certainly, unless otherwise – we might be headed for such a case study. Not sure if I should patent the titles, just in case..!****
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Harry****
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*From:* kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke>[mailto: kictanet-bounces+harry <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet-bounces%2Bharry>= comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke>] *On Behalf Of *Brian Munyao Longwe *Sent:* Thursday, April 12, 2012 12:50 AM *To:* harry@comtelsys.co.ke <http://mc/compose?to=harry@comtelsys.co.ke> *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...!****
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I think Walu is on the right track. Every organisation for-profit or not, has to reassess it's strategy, relevance, business direction and thrust periodically or risk falling into the shadows.****
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Is it time for KICTAnet to do so?****
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As one of the founders and a trustee I think that the time has come.****
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My 2 shillings,****
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Brian****
On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 6:21 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com<http://mc/compose?to=jwalu@yahoo.com>> wrote:****
@Wash,
Maybe Delano is insinuating something. Perhaps KICTAnet needs to re-juvinate and re-energize. Bring in new blood and thinking. What do we want from KICTAnet, 8yrs later? What management structures, membership structures, operational, financial structures do we want to see going forward?
Perhaps a brainstorming face2face session is due. I for one have been the moderator since inception and maybe someone else can do a better job and we just have not asked them to come forth. Think about it - I could have run out of ideas or some younger dot.commer <http://dot.com> may just be sitting on better ways of moderation that I have never imagined...
just my 2pings.
walu.
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From: Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com<http://mc/compose?to=odhiambo@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...! To: jwalu@yahoo.com <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu@yahoo.com> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/compose?to=kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>
Date: Wednesday, April 11, 2012, 3:50 PM****
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On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 14:59, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke<http://mc/compose?to=harry@comtelsys.co.ke>> wrote:****
I’m not sure which is which, until I see some response on whether we might just as well happen to be drifting along rudderless…!!****
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You mean the post-Easter stupor, or?? ****
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Hi All, My name is Ben Akoh and I am one of many lurkers on this list, and on many others. I am not Kenyan, I have visited the country several times, I will be visiting it in the next month, I love it, its people, and have very good friends there. I participated in one of the earlier public forums that helped to shape Kictanet and that fed into the numerous fiber initiatives to which you and most of us now enjoy: directly when we visit the country, and indirectly when we interact with good people like yourselves who continue to pave the way for how public consultation can shape future growth and development. My comments are along three lines: 1. The benefits of lurkers: Being a lurker is not necessary a bad thing. Some of us continue to benefit from this list and learn good practices that inform public policy in many other areas. For instance, the Kictanet model is replicated across several national discussion lists in West Africa and have been suggested as a useful model for public consultation on policy issues. Lurkers benefit through propagate the good dialogues that emanate from this group in other forums beyond yours. See this as Kenya's export to the knowledge and information economy. 2. Questioning is good: Seeking ways through which this forum would become more relevant is also not necessarily a bad thing. Questioning leads to improvement. The day that every member of this group thinks that the list has arrived (group think), is the day it begins to slowly die a death. Thus, a constant review, as someone mentioned, against Kictanet's initial objectives is a good starting point; documenting its progress over the years through careful research (as another person mentioned) is also important. But significant consideration should be given to the medium of delivery and how this is relevant to the context of the times. "The medium is the message" (Marshall McLuhan). The medium should thus respond to the demands of the time. Considerations should be given to those for whom policy is deliberated but who do not have access to deliberate in its present form. 3. Kicktanet is one of several model that works: I am currently finalizing a toolkit (ebook and wiki) of several models that have worked for generating evidence and for seeking consent of those whom policy will affect using case studies of good practice models implemented across the world. Kictanet and this discussion list is featured prominently as one of them. I hope to share the outcome of this research once it has been published. In sum, all these go to say that: 1. The list is useful to both lurkers and active members. 2. Its influence transcends Kenya and contributes to shaping policy and policy consultation beyond its borders. 3. The medium should respond to the dynamic context of communication technologies, and cater to the local context as well as the growing needs of its audience - present and future. It should therefore be shaped accordingly. My two bob. Ben A lurker. On Thu, April 12, 2012 8:59 am, Evans Ikua wrote:
Now that we have to weigh in, I think this is an important list that it serves its purposes well. If it falls silent for some time, then it means that everyone is happy, which is not a bad thing. When its active, it means that people have issues, and they have a good place and forum to air their concerns and opinion relating to the industry.
As for the lurkers, they are also good to have. As someone said, one will always speak out when their area of interest is mentioned and they have an opinion to share.
Regards, Evans
On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 4:49 PM, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> wrote:
Now we talking. Please if you happen to be on this list, but presently on âread-only-modeâ ( a new phrase I have learnt),****
please realize you owe it to this noble forum, started by noble people, with noble ideas at least in a way to leave some****
markâ¦****
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So can we ensure that this forum carries the flag up higher and make a mark in this land and beyond that we can believe ****
in. Have looked around, do not see any other forum with such broad/diverse membership.****
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Letâs keep the ideas coming in..****
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Harry****
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*From:* kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] *On Behalf Of *Harry Hare *Sent:* Thursday, April 12, 2012 4:17 PM
*To:* harry@comtelsys.co.ke *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...!****
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Hey all, there is a strategy document floating somewhere. I think this could be a good place to start â see what has been achieved, what fell by the way side, identify what is still relevant, plug in new ideas and strengthen the network. KICTANet should never be allowed to "kick".****
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Harry Hare****
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Tel +254 20 4041646****
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*From: *Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com> *Date: *Thu, 12 Apr 2012 15:57:45 +0300 *To: *Harry Hare <harry@africanedevelopment.org> *Cc: *KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Subject: *Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...!****
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If we go back to early discussions about the multi-stakeholder network known as KICTAnet I recall there being a distinction between the mailing list participants, and those stakeholders who would actively engage in KICTAnet "activities".****
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My take is that since there have been no "activities" as such - the feeling is that KICTAnet has "kicked" to borrow a phrase from @Harry.****
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I remember there used to be monthly face-to-face meetings which followed a particular topic or theme of interest and served as an opportunity for participants from the various networks to meet within the context of the "network of networks". At the time there was program funding from donor to cover costs of those meetings, this has presumably, run out. Which leads me to ask, can we mobilise funds locally? At least for these gatherings? As they will give a greater element of traction to the organization while ensuring that it continues to remain relevant within the sector. Especially as the melting pot for policy debate.****
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Best regards,****
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Brian****
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On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 3:41 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:****
Joe,
Currently listed number is 690 members from diverse backgrounds of Media, Academia, Govt, Regulator, Telcos(fixed, mobile, wireless). But as you noted not everyone is active -80% are often in read-only mode. That is one reason I thought we needed new thinking and new approaches...
walu.
--- On *Thu, 4/12/12, Joseph Mucheru <mucheru@google.com>* wrote:****
From: Joseph Mucheru <mucheru@google.com>****
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...! To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>****
Date: Thursday, April 12, 2012, 2:53 PM****
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I am certainly above 35 and enjoy not only records but also the latest collaboration technologies "Google Hangouts<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QN38vHZjWXw>" I agree that we need to review our aim and strategies but we need to have a representative forum that allows for that to take place. @Brian you know many participant on this list are in read only mode.****
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@Walu/@Washington - can you give us an idea of the number of people actively subscribed to the list? Not the names but the number. This will be a good place to start. Dealing with facts and not guess work.****
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Thanks****
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Joe****
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On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 2:31 PM, Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com<http://mc/compose?to=solo.mburu@gmail.com>> wrote:****
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On 12 April 2012 14:26, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk<http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk>> wrote:****
Harry,****
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We are ageing, email is loosing is lustre and the new generation hate records and prefer platforms like twitter and facebook.****
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The responsibility for keeping the forum active remains with those over 35 year old who unfortunately are trying to fit in with the younger crowd.*** *
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uuummmmm is there a way out of this loop.^C****
I'm below 35, but enjoy keeping records, in addition to facebook and twitter ****
** **
Regards ****
****
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya****
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696**** ------------------------------
*From:* Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke<http://mc/compose?to=harry@comtelsys.co.ke>
*To:* robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk <http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> ****
*Cc:* 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/compose?to=kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>> ****
*Sent:* Thursday, 12 April 2012, 13:55****
*Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...!****
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Ara..!****
****
Not many people seriously want to rejuvenate this forum, as per Brian/Walubengoâs suggestionâ¦?****
****
Cannot imagine the forum becoming a good case study one day for some thesis student. Whose research titles among others:-****
· âHow-to-kill a good forum, kick it into the dustbin and leave it for the deadâ ****
· âThe rise and rise, and fall and fall of a myriad of many ICT forums in Kenya, the major one beingâ¦.****
· âHow-not-to build structural resilience and offer strategic leadershipâ. Why the big forum went M.I.A, and petered out..****
· And the final one perhaps, â Do not repeat the mistakes listed above, time for a RESET..â!****
****
Certainly, unless otherwise â we might be headed for such a case study. Not sure if I should patent the titles, just in case..!****
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Harry****
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*From:* kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke>[mailto: kictanet-bounces+harry <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet-bounces%2Bharry>= comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke>] *On Behalf Of *Brian Munyao Longwe *Sent:* Thursday, April 12, 2012 12:50 AM *To:* harry@comtelsys.co.ke <http://mc/compose?to=harry@comtelsys.co.ke> *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...!****
****
I think Walu is on the right track. Every organisation for-profit or not, has to reassess it's strategy, relevance, business direction and thrust periodically or risk falling into the shadows.****
****
Is it time for KICTAnet to do so?****
****
As one of the founders and a trustee I think that the time has come.****
****
My 2 shillings,****
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Brian****
On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 6:21 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com<http://mc/compose?to=jwalu@yahoo.com>> wrote:****
@Wash,
Maybe Delano is insinuating something. Perhaps KICTAnet needs to re-juvinate and re-energize. Bring in new blood and thinking. What do we want from KICTAnet, 8yrs later? What management structures, membership structures, operational, financial structures do we want to see going forward?
Perhaps a brainstorming face2face session is due. I for one have been the moderator since inception and maybe someone else can do a better job and we just have not asked them to come forth. Think about it - I could have run out of ideas or some younger dot.commer <http://dot.com> may just be sitting on better ways of moderation that I have never imagined...
just my 2pings.
walu.
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Iâm not sure which is which, until I see some response on whether we might just as well happen to be drifting along rudderlessâ¦!!****
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Ben This is a powerful testimony. I do also know of a PhD student whose core dataset is the KICTAnet archives. And others who got jobs/scholarships arising from KICTAnet posts. I think these are some of the stories that we want to hear from the "horses" mouth... However, on the flip-side, I think we should also welcome the negative experiences - or challenges as it were - so that we can improve going forward. walu. nb: ave taken the liberty to tweak the subject to include KICTAnet 2.0 --- On Fri, 4/13/12, Ben Akoh <me@benakoh.com> wrote: From: Ben Akoh <me@benakoh.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...! To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Friday, April 13, 2012, 2:17 AM Hi All, My name is Ben Akoh and I am one of many lurkers on this list, and on many others. I am not Kenyan, I have visited the country several times, I will be visiting it in the next month, I love it, its people, and have very good friends there. I participated in one of the earlier public forums that helped to shape Kictanet and that fed into the numerous fiber initiatives to which you and most of us now enjoy: directly when we visit the country, and indirectly when we interact with good people like yourselves who continue to pave the way for how public consultation can shape future growth and development. My comments are along three lines: 1. The benefits of lurkers: Being a lurker is not necessary a bad thing. Some of us continue to benefit from this list and learn good practices that inform public policy in many other areas. For instance, the Kictanet model is replicated across several national discussion lists in West Africa and have been suggested as a useful model for public consultation on policy issues. Lurkers benefit through propagate the good dialogues that emanate from this group in other forums beyond yours. See this as Kenya's export to the knowledge and information economy. 2. Questioning is good: Seeking ways through which this forum would become more relevant is also not necessarily a bad thing. Questioning leads to improvement. The day that every member of this group thinks that the list has arrived (group think), is the day it begins to slowly die a death. Thus, a constant review, as someone mentioned, against Kictanet's initial objectives is a good starting point; documenting its progress over the years through careful research (as another person mentioned) is also important. But significant consideration should be given to the medium of delivery and how this is relevant to the context of the times. "The medium is the message" (Marshall McLuhan). The medium should thus respond to the demands of the time. Considerations should be given to those for whom policy is deliberated but who do not have access to deliberate in its present form. 3. Kicktanet is one of several model that works: I am currently finalizing a toolkit (ebook and wiki) of several models that have worked for generating evidence and for seeking consent of those whom policy will affect using case studies of good practice models implemented across the world. Kictanet and this discussion list is featured prominently as one of them. I hope to share the outcome of this research once it has been published. In sum, all these go to say that: 1. The list is useful to both lurkers and active members. 2. Its influence transcends Kenya and contributes to shaping policy and policy consultation beyond its borders. 3. The medium should respond to the dynamic context of communication technologies, and cater to the local context as well as the growing needs of its audience - present and future. It should therefore be shaped accordingly. My two bob. Ben A lurker. On Thu, April 12, 2012 8:59 am, Evans Ikua wrote:
Now that we have to weigh in, I think this is an important list that it serves its purposes well. If it falls silent for some time, then it means that everyone is happy, which is not a bad thing. When its active, it means that people have issues, and they have a good place and forum to air their concerns and opinion relating to the industry.
As for the lurkers, they are also good to have. As someone said, one will always speak out when their area of interest is mentioned and they have an opinion to share.
Regards, Evans
On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 4:49 PM, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> wrote:
Now we talking. Please if you happen to be on this list, but presently on “read-only-mode” ( a new phrase I have learnt),****
please realize you owe it to this noble forum, started by noble people, with noble ideas at least in a way to leave some****
mark…****
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So can we ensure that this forum carries the flag up higher and make a mark in this land and beyond that we can believe ****
in. Have looked around, do not see any other forum with such broad/diverse membership.****
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Let’s keep the ideas coming in..****
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*From:* kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] *On Behalf Of *Harry Hare *Sent:* Thursday, April 12, 2012 4:17 PM
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Hey all, there is a strategy document floating somewhere. I think this could be a good place to start – see what has been achieved, what fell by the way side, identify what is still relevant, plug in new ideas and strengthen the network. KICTANet should never be allowed to "kick".****
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*From: *Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com> *Date: *Thu, 12 Apr 2012 15:57:45 +0300 *To: *Harry Hare <harry@africanedevelopment.org> *Cc: *KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Subject: *Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...!****
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If we go back to early discussions about the multi-stakeholder network known as KICTAnet I recall there being a distinction between the mailing list participants, and those stakeholders who would actively engage in KICTAnet "activities".****
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My take is that since there have been no "activities" as such - the feeling is that KICTAnet has "kicked" to borrow a phrase from @Harry.****
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I remember there used to be monthly face-to-face meetings which followed a particular topic or theme of interest and served as an opportunity for participants from the various networks to meet within the context of the "network of networks". At the time there was program funding from donor to cover costs of those meetings, this has presumably, run out. Which leads me to ask, can we mobilise funds locally? At least for these gatherings? As they will give a greater element of traction to the organization while ensuring that it continues to remain relevant within the sector. Especially as the melting pot for policy debate.****
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Best regards,****
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On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 3:41 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:****
Joe,
Currently listed number is 690 members from diverse backgrounds of Media, Academia, Govt, Regulator, Telcos(fixed, mobile, wireless). But as you noted not everyone is active -80% are often in read-only mode. That is one reason I thought we needed new thinking and new approaches...
walu.
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From: Joseph Mucheru <mucheru@google.com>****
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...! To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>****
Date: Thursday, April 12, 2012, 2:53 PM****
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I am certainly above 35 and enjoy not only records but also the latest collaboration technologies "Google Hangouts<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QN38vHZjWXw>" I agree that we need to review our aim and strategies but we need to have a representative forum that allows for that to take place. @Brian you know many participant on this list are in read only mode.****
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@Walu/@Washington - can you give us an idea of the number of people actively subscribed to the list? Not the names but the number. This will be a good place to start. Dealing with facts and not guess work.****
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On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 2:31 PM, Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com<http://mc/compose?to=solo.mburu@gmail.com>> wrote:****
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On 12 April 2012 14:26, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk<http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk>> wrote:****
Harry,****
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We are ageing, email is loosing is lustre and the new generation hate records and prefer platforms like twitter and facebook.****
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The responsibility for keeping the forum active remains with those over 35 year old who unfortunately are trying to fit in with the younger crowd.*** *
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uuummmmm is there a way out of this loop.^C****
I'm below 35, but enjoy keeping records, in addition to facebook and twitter ****
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*To:* robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk <http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> ****
*Cc:* 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/compose?to=kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>> ****
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Ara..!****
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Not many people seriously want to rejuvenate this forum, as per Brian/Walubengo’s suggestion…?****
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Cannot imagine the forum becoming a good case study one day for some thesis student. Whose research titles among others:-****
· “How-to-kill a good forum, kick it into the dustbin and leave it for the dead” ****
· “The rise and rise, and fall and fall of a myriad of many ICT forums in Kenya, the major one being….****
· “How-not-to build structural resilience and offer strategic leadership”. Why the big forum went M.I.A, and petered out..****
· And the final one perhaps, “ Do not repeat the mistakes listed above, time for a RESET..”!****
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Certainly, unless otherwise – we might be headed for such a case study. Not sure if I should patent the titles, just in case..!****
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*From:* kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke>[mailto: kictanet-bounces+harry <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet-bounces%2Bharry>= comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke>] *On Behalf Of *Brian Munyao Longwe *Sent:* Thursday, April 12, 2012 12:50 AM *To:* harry@comtelsys.co.ke <http://mc/compose?to=harry@comtelsys.co.ke> *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...!****
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I think Walu is on the right track. Every organisation for-profit or not, has to reassess it's strategy, relevance, business direction and thrust periodically or risk falling into the shadows.****
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Is it time for KICTAnet to do so?****
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As one of the founders and a trustee I think that the time has come.****
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My 2 shillings,****
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On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 6:21 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com<http://mc/compose?to=jwalu@yahoo.com>> wrote:****
@Wash,
Maybe Delano is insinuating something. Perhaps KICTAnet needs to re-juvinate and re-energize. Bring in new blood and thinking. What do we want from KICTAnet, 8yrs later? What management structures, membership structures, operational, financial structures do we want to see going forward?
Perhaps a brainstorming face2face session is due. I for one have been the moderator since inception and maybe someone else can do a better job and we just have not asked them to come forth. Think about it - I could have run out of ideas or some younger dot.commer <http://dot.com> may just be sitting on better ways of moderation that I have never imagined...
just my 2pings.
walu.
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Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...! To: jwalu@yahoo.com <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu@yahoo.com> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/compose?to=kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>
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I’m not sure which is which, until I see some response on whether we might just as well happen to be drifting along rudderless…!!****
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You mean the post-Easter stupor, or?? ****
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-- Ben Akoh p: +221-77-638-6477 (Senegal) p: +1204-960-6147 (Canada) e: me@benakoh.com skype: benakoh blog: http://benakoh.com _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/jwalu%40yahoo.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
Long live Kictanet- as far as I am concerned. Listers, I think we need to remember that just like in any other forum, there are always the very few who engage in discussions while most do the listening. That is typical human behaviour, and it is therefore not odd nor is Kictanet dying because not all subscribed listers are actively participating. Personally, I am quite happy with the forum. And there has been so much to learn and listen to in the various debates- very useful. Regards, Gilda Odera ----- Original Message ----- From: Walubengo J To: godera@skyweb.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 12:04 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0 Ben This is a powerful testimony. I do also know of a PhD student whose core dataset is the KICTAnet archives. And others who got jobs/scholarships arising from KICTAnet posts. I think these are some of the stories that we want to hear from the "horses" mouth... However, on the flip-side, I think we should also welcome the negative experiences - or challenges as it were - so that we can improve going forward. walu. nb: ave taken the liberty to tweak the subject to include KICTAnet 2.0 --- On Fri, 4/13/12, Ben Akoh <me@benakoh.com> wrote: From: Ben Akoh <me@benakoh.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...! To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Friday, April 13, 2012, 2:17 AM Hi All, My name is Ben Akoh and I am one of many lurkers on this list, and on many others. I am not Kenyan, I have visited the country several times, I will be visiting it in the next month, I love it, its people, and have very good friends there. I participated in one of the earlier public forums that helped to shape Kictanet and that fed into the numerous fiber initiatives to which you and most of us now enjoy: directly when we visit the country, and indirectly when we interact with good people like yourselves who continue to pave the way for how public consultation can shape future growth and development. My comments are along three lines: 1. The benefits of lurkers: Being a lurker is not necessary a bad thing. Some of us continue to benefit from this list and learn good practices that inform public policy in many other areas. For instance, the Kictanet model is replicated across several national discussion lists in West Africa and have been suggested as a useful model for public consultation on policy issues. Lurkers benefit through propagate the good dialogues that emanate from this group in other forums beyond yours. See this as Kenya's export to the knowledge and information economy. 2. Questioning is good: Seeking ways through which this forum would become more relevant is also not necessarily a bad thing. Questioning leads to improvement. The day that every member of this group thinks that the list has arrived (group think), is the day it begins to slowly die a death. Thus, a constant review, as someone mentioned, against Kictanet's initial objectives is a good starting point; documenting its progress over the years through careful research (as another person mentioned) is also important. But significant consideration should be given to the medium of delivery and how this is relevant to the context of the times. "The medium is the message" (Marshall McLuhan). The medium should thus respond to the demands of the time. Considerations should be given to those for whom policy is deliberated but who do not have access to deliberate in its present form. 3. Kicktanet is one of several model that works: I am currently finalizing a toolkit (ebook and wiki) of several models that have worked for generating evidence and for seeking consent of those whom policy will affect using case studies of good practice models implemented across the world. Kictanet and this discussion list is featured prominently as one of them. I hope to share the outcome of this research once it has been published. In sum, all these go to say that: 1. The list is useful to both lurkers and active members. 2. Its influence transcends Kenya and contributes to shaping policy and policy consultation beyond its borders. 3. The medium should respond to the dynamic context of communication technologies, and cater to the local context as well as the growing needs of its audience - present and future. It should therefore be shaped accordingly. My two bob. Ben A lurker. On Thu, April 12, 2012 8:59 am, Evans Ikua wrote: > Now that we have to weigh in, I think this is an important list that it > serves its purposes well. If it falls silent for some time, then it means > that everyone is happy, which is not a bad thing. When its active, it > means > that people have issues, and they have a good place and forum to air their > concerns and opinion relating to the industry. > > As for the lurkers, they are also good to have. As someone said, one will > always speak out when their area of interest is mentioned and they have an > opinion to share. > > Regards, > Evans > > On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 4:49 PM, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> > wrote: > >> Now we talking. Please if you happen to be on this list, but presently >> on >> “read-only-mode” ( a new phrase I have learnt),**** >> >> please realize you owe it to this noble forum, started by noble people, >> with noble ideas at least in a way to leave some**** >> >> mark…**** >> >> ** ** >> >> So can we ensure that this forum carries the flag up higher and make a >> mark in this land and beyond that we can believe **** >> >> in. Have looked around, do not see any other forum with such >> broad/diverse >> membership.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Let’s keep the ideas coming in..**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Harry**** >> >> ** ** >> >> *From:* kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke >> [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] *On >> Behalf Of *Harry Hare >> *Sent:* Thursday, April 12, 2012 4:17 PM >> >> *To:* harry@comtelsys.co.ke >> *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions >> *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the >> dustbin...!**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Hey all, there is a strategy document floating somewhere. I think this >> could be a good place to start – see what has been achieved, what fell >> by >> the way side, identify what is still relevant, plug in new ideas and >> strengthen the network. KICTANet should never be allowed to "kick".**** >> >> **** >> >> Harry Hare**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Director**** >> >> African eDevelopment Resource Centre**** >> >> PO Box 49475 00100**** >> >> Nairobi, Kenya**** >> >> Tel +254 20 4041646**** >> >> Cel +254 725 650044**** >> >> ** ** >> >> ** ** >> >> *From: *Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com> >> *Date: *Thu, 12 Apr 2012 15:57:45 +0300 >> *To: *Harry Hare <harry@africanedevelopment.org> >> *Cc: *KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> >> *Subject: *Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the >> dustbin...!**** >> >> ** ** >> >> If we go back to early discussions about the multi-stakeholder network >> known as KICTAnet I recall there being a distinction between the mailing >> list participants, and those stakeholders who would actively engage in >> KICTAnet "activities".**** >> >> ** ** >> >> My take is that since there have been no "activities" as such - the >> feeling is that KICTAnet has "kicked" to borrow a phrase from >> @Harry.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> I remember there used to be monthly face-to-face meetings which followed >> a >> particular topic or theme of interest and served as an opportunity for >> participants from the various networks to meet within the context of the >> "network of networks". At the time there was program funding from donor >> to >> cover costs of those meetings, this has presumably, run out. Which leads >> me >> to ask, can we mobilise funds locally? At least for these gatherings? As >> they will give a greater element of traction to the organization while >> ensuring that it continues to remain relevant within the sector. >> Especially >> as the melting pot for policy debate.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Best regards,**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Brian**** >> >> ** ** >> >> On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 3:41 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> >> wrote:**** >> >> Joe, >> >> Currently listed number is 690 members from diverse backgrounds of >> Media, >> Academia, Govt, Regulator, Telcos(fixed, mobile, wireless). But as you >> noted not everyone is active -80% are often in read-only mode. That is >> one >> reason I thought we needed new thinking and new approaches... >> >> walu. >> >> --- On *Thu, 4/12/12, Joseph Mucheru <mucheru@google.com>* wrote:**** >> >> >> From: Joseph Mucheru <mucheru@google.com>**** >> >> >> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the >> dustbin...! >> To: jwalu@yahoo.com >> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" >> <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>**** >> >> Date: Thursday, April 12, 2012, 2:53 PM**** >> >> ** ** >> >> I am certainly above 35 and enjoy not only records but also the latest >> collaboration technologies "Google >> Hangouts<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QN38vHZjWXw>" >> I agree that we need to review our aim and strategies but we need to >> have a >> representative forum that allows for that to take place. @Brian you know >> many participant on this list are in read only mode.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> @Walu/@Washington - can you give us an idea of the number of people >> actively subscribed to the list? Not the names but the number. This will >> be >> a good place to start. Dealing with facts and not guess work.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Thanks**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Joe**** >> >> ** ** >> >> On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 2:31 PM, Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau >> <solo.mburu@gmail.com<http://mc/compose?to=solo.mburu@gmail.com>> >> wrote:**** >> >> ** ** >> >> On 12 April 2012 14:26, robert yawe >> <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk<http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk>> >> wrote:**** >> >> Harry,**** >> >> ** ** >> >> We are ageing, email is loosing is lustre and the new generation hate >> records and prefer platforms like twitter and facebook.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> The responsibility for keeping the forum active remains with those over >> 35 >> year old who unfortunately are trying to fit in with the younger >> crowd.*** >> * >> >> ** ** >> >> uuummmmm is there a way out of this loop.^C**** >> >> >> I'm below 35, but enjoy keeping records, in addition to facebook and >> twitter >> **** >> >> ** ** >> >> Regards **** >> >> **** >> >> Robert Yawe >> KAY System Technologies Ltd >> Phoenix House, 6th Floor >> P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 >> Kenya**** >> >> Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696**** >> ------------------------------ >> >> *From:* Harry Delano >> <harry@comtelsys.co.ke<http://mc/compose?to=harry@comtelsys.co.ke> >> > >> *To:* robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk >> <http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> >> **** >> >> *Cc:* 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' >> <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/compose?to=kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>> >> **** >> >> *Sent:* Thursday, 12 April 2012, 13:55**** >> >> >> *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the >> dustbin...!**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Ara..!**** >> >> **** >> >> Not many people seriously want to rejuvenate this forum, as per >> Brian/Walubengo’s suggestion…?**** >> >> **** >> >> Cannot imagine the forum becoming a good case study one day for some >> thesis student. Whose research titles among others:-**** >> >> · “How-to-kill a good forum, kick it into the dustbin and >> leave >> it for the dead” **** >> >> · “The rise and rise, and fall and fall of a myriad of many >> ICT >> forums in Kenya, the major one being….**** >> >> · “How-not-to build structural resilience and offer strategic >> leadership”. Why the big forum went M.I.A, and petered out..**** >> >> · And the final one perhaps, “ Do not repeat the mistakes >> listed >> above, time for a RESET..”!**** >> >> **** >> >> Certainly, unless otherwise – we might be headed for such a case >> study. >> Not sure if I should patent the titles, just in case..!**** >> >> **** >> >> Harry**** >> >> **** >> >> **** >> >> *From:* >> kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke>[mailto: >> kictanet-bounces+harry <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet-bounces%2Bharry>= >> comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke>] >> *On Behalf Of *Brian Munyao Longwe >> *Sent:* Thursday, April 12, 2012 12:50 AM >> *To:* harry@comtelsys.co.ke <http://mc/compose?to=harry@comtelsys.co.ke> >> *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions >> *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the >> dustbin...!**** >> >> **** >> >> I think Walu is on the right track. Every organisation for-profit or >> not, >> has to reassess it's strategy, relevance, business direction and thrust >> periodically or risk falling into the shadows.**** >> >> **** >> >> Is it time for KICTAnet to do so?**** >> >> **** >> >> As one of the founders and a trustee I think that the time has come.**** >> >> **** >> >> My 2 shillings,**** >> >> **** >> >> Brian**** >> >> On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 6:21 PM, Walubengo J >> <jwalu@yahoo.com<http://mc/compose?to=jwalu@yahoo.com>> >> wrote:**** >> >> @Wash, >> >> Maybe Delano is insinuating something. Perhaps KICTAnet needs to >> re-juvinate >> and re-energize. Bring in new blood and thinking. What do we want from >> KICTAnet, 8yrs later? What management structures, membership structures, >> operational, financial structures do we want to see going forward? >> >> Perhaps a brainstorming face2face session is due. I for one have been >> the >> moderator since inception and maybe someone else can do a better job and >> we >> just have not asked them to come forth. Think about it - I could have >> run >> out of ideas or some younger dot.commer <http://dot.com> may just be >> sitting on better ways of moderation that I have never imagined... >> >> just my 2pings. >> >> walu. >> >> --- On *Wed, 4/11/12, Odhiambo Washington >> <odhiambo@gmail.com<http://mc/compose?to=odhiambo@gmail.com> >> >* wrote:**** >> >> >> From: Odhiambo Washington >> <odhiambo@gmail.com<http://mc/compose?to=odhiambo@gmail.com> >> > >> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the >> dustbin...! >> To: jwalu@yahoo.com <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu@yahoo.com> >> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" >> <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/compose?to=kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> >> > >> Date: Wednesday, April 11, 2012, 3:50 PM**** >> >> **** >> >> **** >> >> On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 14:59, Harry Delano >> <harry@comtelsys.co.ke<http://mc/compose?to=harry@comtelsys.co.ke>> >> wrote:**** >> >> I’m not sure which is which, until I see some response on whether we >> might >> just as well happen to be drifting along rudderless…!!**** >> >> **** >> >> >> You mean the post-Easter stupor, or?? >> **** >> >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> Odhiambo WASHINGTON, >> Nairobi,KE >> +254733744121/+254722743223 >> _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ >> I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler. >> [image: cid:image001.png@01CD18CB.53049790]Please consider the >> environment before printing this email. **** >> >> **** >> >> -----Inline Attachment Follows-----**** >> >> _______________________________________________ >> kictanet mailing list >> kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/compose?to=kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> >> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >> >> Unsubscribe or change your options at >> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/jwalu%40yahoo.com >> >> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform >> for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and >> regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT >> sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and >> development. >> >> KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors >> online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and >> bandwidth, >> share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, >> do >> not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.**** >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> kictanet mailing list >> kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/compose?to=kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> >> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >> >> Unsubscribe or change your options at >> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/blongwe%40gmail.com >> >> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform >> for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and >> regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT >> sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and >> development. >> >> KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors >> online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and >> bandwidth, >> share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, >> do >> not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.**** >> >> >> >> **** >> >> **** >> >> -- **** >> >> Brian Munyao Longwe**** >> >> e-mail: blongwe@gmail.com <http://mc/compose?to=blongwe@gmail.com> >> cell: +254715964281 >> blog : http://zinjlog.blogspot.com >> meta-blog: http://mashilingi.blogspot.com**** >> >> **** >> >> "Give us clear vision that we may know where to stand and what to stand >> for, because unless we stand for something, we shall fall for >> anything."** >> ** >> >> **** >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> kictanet mailing list >> kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/compose?to=kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> >> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet**** >> >> Unsubscribe or change your options at >> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/robertyawe%40yahoo.co.u... >> **** >> >> >> >> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform >> for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and >> regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT >> sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and >> development. >> >> KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors >> online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and >> bandwidth, >> share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, >> do >> not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.**** >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> kictanet mailing list >> kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/compose?to=kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> >> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet**** >> >> Unsubscribe or change your options at >> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/solo.mburu%40gmail.com >> **** >> >> >> >> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform >> for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and >> regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT >> sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and >> development. >> >> KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors >> online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and >> bandwidth, >> share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, >> do >> not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.**** >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> kictanet mailing list >> kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/compose?to=kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> >> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >> >> Unsubscribe or change your options at >> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/mucheru%40google.com >> >> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform >> for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and >> regulation. 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The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT >> sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and >> development. >> >> KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors >> online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and >> bandwidth, >> share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, >> do >> not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.**** >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> kictanet mailing list >> kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke >> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >> >> Unsubscribe or change your options at >> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/blongwe%40gmail.com >> >> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform >> for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and >> regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT >> sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and >> development. >> >> KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors >> online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and >> bandwidth, >> share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, >> do >> not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.**** >> >> >> >> **** >> >> ** ** >> >> -- **** >> >> Brian Munyao Longwe**** >> >> e-mail: blongwe@gmail.com >> cell: +254715964281 >> blog : http://zinjlog.blogspot.com >> meta-blog: http://mashilingi.blogspot.com**** >> >> ** ** >> >> "Give us clear vision that we may know where to stand and what to stand >> for, because unless we stand for something, we shall fall for >> anything."** >> ** >> >> ** ** >> >> _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list >> kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke >> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or >> change your options at >> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/harry%40africanedevelop... >> Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for >> people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and >> regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT >> sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and >> development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of >> acceptable >> behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times >> and >> bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect >> privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.**** >> >> _______________________________________________ >> kictanet mailing list >> kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke >> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >> >> Unsubscribe or change your options at >> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/ikua.evans%40gmail.com >> >> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform >> for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and >> regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT >> sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and >> development. >> >> KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors >> online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and >> bandwidth, >> share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, >> do >> not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. >> > _______________________________________________ > kictanet mailing list > kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/me%40benakoh.com > > The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform > for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and > regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT > sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and > development. > > KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors > online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, > share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do > not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. -- Ben Akoh p: +221-77-638-6477 (Senegal) p: +1204-960-6147 (Canada) e: me@benakoh.com skype: benakoh blog: http://benakoh.com _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/jwalu%40yahoo.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/godera%40skyweb.co.ke The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
Spot on Gilda. However, it may be useful to hear from some lurkers as to why they are not active participants of the forum (there is not so much from the sisters :)). Maybe there is something that can be done to allow for more participation? I have for example received comments off-list when I have moderated debates, and my question to those listers is that it would be nice for them to raise the very good comments here on this forum. Again, the aim is to strengthen the forum and have it continue to remain relevant. On another note, I have seen some of our discussions here quoted authoritatively on mainstream media, as well as on social media. Ben Akoh, we look forward to reading the findings of your research. Lets keep this debate live! It is very useful. RgdsGG ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you have the strength to survive, you have the power to succeed. Life is all about choices we make depending upon the situation we are in. Go forth and rule the World! From: godera@skyweb.co.ke Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 14:12:58 +0300 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0 CC: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke To: ggithaiga@hotmail.com Long live Kictanet- as far as I am concerned. Listers, I think we need to remember that just like in any other forum, there are always the very few who engage in discussions while most do the listening. That is typical human behaviour, and it is therefore not odd nor is Kictanet dying because not all subscribed listers are actively participating. Personally, I am quite happy with the forum. And there has been so much to learn and listen to in the various debates- very useful. Regards, Gilda Odera ----- Original Message ----- From: Walubengo J To: godera@skyweb.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 12:04 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0 Ben This is a powerful testimony. I do also know of a PhD student whose core dataset is the KICTAnet archives. And others who got jobs/scholarships arising from KICTAnet posts. I think these are some of the stories that we want to hear from the "horses" mouth... However, on the flip-side, I think we should also welcome the negative experiences - or challenges as it were - so that we can improve going forward. walu. nb: ave taken the liberty to tweak the subject to include KICTAnet 2.0 --- On Fri, 4/13/12, Ben Akoh <me@benakoh.com> wrote: From: Ben Akoh <me@benakoh.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...! To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Friday, April 13, 2012, 2:17 AM Hi All, My name is Ben Akoh and I am one of many lurkers on this list, and on many others. I am not Kenyan, I have visited the country several times, I will be visiting it in the next month, I love it, its people, and have very good friends there. I participated in one of the earlier public forums that helped to shape Kictanet and that fed into the numerous fiber initiatives to which you and most of us now enjoy: directly when we visit the country, and indirectly when we interact with good people like yourselves who continue to pave the way for how public consultation can shape future growth and development. My comments are along three lines: 1. The benefits of lurkers: Being a lurker is not necessary a bad thing. Some of us continue to benefit from this list and learn good practices that inform public policy in many other areas. For instance, the Kictanet model is replicated across several national discussion lists in West Africa and have been suggested as a useful model for public consultation on policy issues. Lurkers benefit through propagate the good dialogues that emanate from this group in other forums beyond yours. See this as Kenya's export to the knowledge and information economy. 2. Questioning is good: Seeking ways through which this forum would become more relevant is also not necessarily a bad thing. Questioning leads to improvement. The day that every member of this group thinks that the list has arrived (group think), is the day it begins to slowly die a death. Thus, a constant review, as someone mentioned, against Kictanet's initial objectives is a good starting point; documenting its progress over the years through careful research (as another person mentioned) is also important. But significant consideration should be given to the medium of delivery and how this is relevant to the context of the times. "The medium is the message" (Marshall McLuhan). The medium should thus respond to the demands of the time. Considerations should be given to those for whom policy is deliberated but who do not have access to deliberate in its present form. 3. Kicktanet is one of several model that works: I am currently finalizing a toolkit (ebook and wiki) of several models that have worked for generating evidence and for seeking consent of those whom policy will affect using case studies of good practice models implemented across the world. Kictanet and this discussion list is featured prominently as one of them. I hope to share the outcome of this research once it has been published. In sum, all these go to say that: 1. The list is useful to both lurkers and active members. 2. Its influence transcends Kenya and contributes to shaping policy and policy consultation beyond its borders. 3. The medium should respond to the dynamic context of communication technologies, and cater to the local context as well as the growing needs of its audience - present and future. It should therefore be shaped accordingly. My two bob. Ben A lurker. On Thu, April 12, 2012 8:59 am, Evans Ikua wrote:
Now that we have to weigh in, I think this is an important list that it serves its purposes well. If it falls silent for some time, then it means that everyone is happy, which is not a bad thing. When its active, it means
that people have issues, and they have a good place and forum to air their
concerns and opinion relating to the industry.
As for the lurkers, they are also good to have. As someone said, one will always speak out when their area of interest is mentioned and they have an opinion to share.
Regards, Evans
On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 4:49 PM, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke>
wrote:
Now we talking. Please if you happen to be
on this list, but presently
on
“read-only-mode” ( a new phrase I have learnt),****
please realize you owe it to this
noble forum, started by noble people,
with noble ideas at least in a way to leave some****
mark…****
** **
So can
we ensure that this forum carries the flag up higher and make a
mark in this land and beyond that we can believe ****
in. Have looked around, do not see any other forum with such broad/diverse
membership.****
** **
Let’s keep the ideas coming in..****
**
**
Harry****
**
**
*From:* kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke
[mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] *On
Behalf Of *Harry Hare *Sent:* Thursday, April 12, 2012 4:17 PM
*To:* harry@comtelsys.co.ke
*Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
*Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the
dustbin...!****
** **
Hey all, there is a strategy document floating somewhere. I think this
could be a good place to start – see what has been achieved, what fell by the way side, identify what is still relevant, plug in new ideas and strengthen the network. KICTANet should never be allowed to "kick".****
****
Harry Hare****
** **
Director****
African eDevelopment Resource
Centre****
PO Box 49475
00100****
Nairobi,
Kenya****
Tel +254 20
4041646****
Cel +254 725
650044****
** **
**
**
*From: *Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com>
*Date: *Thu, 12 Apr 2012 15:57:45 +0300
*To: *Harry Hare <harry@africanedevelopment.org>
*Cc: *KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>
*Subject: *Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the
dustbin...!****
** **
If we go back to early discussions about the multi-stakeholder network known as KICTAnet I recall there being a distinction between the mailing list participants, and those stakeholders who would actively engage in KICTAnet "activities".****
** **
My take is that since there have been no "activities" as such - the feeling is that KICTAnet has "kicked" to borrow a phrase from
@Harry.****
** **
I
remember there used to be monthly face-to-face meetings which followed
a particular topic or theme of interest and served as an opportunity for participants from the various networks to meet within the context of the "network of networks". At the time there was program funding from donor to cover costs of those meetings, this has presumably, run out. Which leads
me
to ask, can we mobilise funds locally? At least for these gatherings? As they will give a greater element of traction to the organization while ensuring that it continues to remain relevant within the sector.
Especially
as the melting pot for policy debate.****
** **
Best regards,****
** **
Brian****
** **
On
Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 3:41 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com>
wrote:****
Joe,
Currently listed number is 690 members from diverse backgrounds of
Media, Academia, Govt, Regulator, Telcos(fixed, mobile, wireless). But as you noted not everyone is active -80% are often in read-only mode. That is one reason I thought we needed new thinking and new approaches...
walu.
--- On *Thu, 4/12/12, Joseph Mucheru
<mucheru@google.com>* wrote:****
From: Joseph Mucheru
<mucheru@google.com>****
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the
dustbin...! To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>****
Date: Thursday, April 12, 2012, 2:53 PM****
**
**
I am certainly above 35 and enjoy not only
records but also the latest
collaboration technologies "Google Hangouts<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QN38vHZjWXw>"
I agree that we need to review our aim and strategies but we need to
have a representative forum that allows for that to take place. @Brian you know many participant on this list are in read only mode.****
** **
@Walu/@Washington - can you give us an idea of the number of people actively subscribed to the list? Not the names but the number. This will be a good place to start. Dealing with facts and not guess work.****
** **
Thanks****
** **
Joe****
** **
On Thu,
Apr 12, 2012 at 2:31 PM, Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau
<solo.mburu@gmail.com<http://mc/compose?to=solo.mburu@gmail.com>>
wrote:****
** **
On 12
April 2012 14:26, robert yawe
<robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk<http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk>>
wrote:****
Harry,****
** **
We are ageing, email is loosing is
lustre and the new generation hate
records and prefer platforms like twitter and facebook.****
** **
The responsibility for keeping the forum active remains with those over 35 year old who unfortunately are trying to fit in with the younger
crowd.***
*
** **
uuummmmm is there a way out of this loop.^C****
I'm below 35, but enjoy keeping records, in addition to facebook and
****
** **
Regards ****
****
Robert Yawe KAY System
Technologies Ltd
Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya****
Tel: +254722511225 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting +254722511225 end_of_the_skype_highlighting, +254202010696 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting +254202010696 end_of_the_skype_highlighting****
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*From:* Harry
Delano
<harry@comtelsys.co.ke<http://mc/compose?to=harry@comtelsys.co.ke>
>
*To:* robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk
<http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk>
****
*Cc:* 'KICTAnet ICT Policy
Discussions'
<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/compose?to=kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>>
****
*Sent:* Thursday, 12 April 2012,
13:55****
*Subject:* Re:
[kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the
dustbin...!****
** **
Ara..!****
****
Not many people seriously want to rejuvenate this forum, as per
Brian/Walubengo’s suggestion…?****
****
Cannot imagine the forum becoming a good
case study one day for some
thesis student. Whose research titles among others:-****
· “How-to-kill a good forum, kick it into the dustbin and leave it for the dead” ****
· “The rise and rise, and fall and fall of a myriad of many ICT forums in Kenya, the major one being….****
· “How-not-to build structural resilience and offer strategic leadership”. Why the big forum went M.I.A, and petered out..****
· And the final one perhaps, “ Do not repeat the mistakes listed above, time for a RESET..”!****
****
Certainly, unless otherwise – we might be
headed for such a case
study. Not sure if I should patent the titles, just in case..!****
****
Harry****
****
****
*From:*
kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke>[mailto:
kictanet-bounces+harry <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet-bounces%2Bharry>=
comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke>]
*On Behalf Of *Brian Munyao Longwe
*Sent:* Thursday, April 12, 2012 12:50 AM *To:* harry@comtelsys.co.ke <http://mc/compose?to=harry@comtelsys.co.ke>
*Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
*Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the
dustbin...!****
****
I think Walu is on the right track. Every
organisation for-profit or
not, has to reassess it's strategy, relevance, business direction and thrust periodically or risk falling into the shadows.****
****
Is it time for KICTAnet to do
so?****
****
As
one of the founders and a trustee I think that the time has come.****
****
My 2 shillings,****
****
Brian****
On Wed,
Apr 11, 2012 at 6:21 PM, Walubengo J
<jwalu@yahoo.com<http://mc/compose?to=jwalu@yahoo.com>>
wrote:****
@Wash,
Maybe Delano is insinuating something. Perhaps KICTAnet needs to
re-juvinate and re-energize. Bring in new blood and thinking. What do we want from KICTAnet, 8yrs later? What management structures, membership structures,
operational, financial structures do we want to see going forward?
Perhaps a brainstorming face2face
session is due. I for one have been
the
moderator since inception and maybe someone else can do a better job and
we just have not asked them to come forth. Think about it - I could have run out of ideas or some younger dot.commer <http://dot.com> may just be sitting on better ways of moderation that I have never imagined...
just my 2pings.
walu.
--- On *Wed, 4/11/12, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com<http://mc/compose?to=odhiambo@gmail.com>
>* wrote:****
From: Odhiambo
Washington
<odhiambo@gmail.com<http://mc/compose?to=odhiambo@gmail.com>
>
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...! To: jwalu@yahoo.com <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu@yahoo.com>
Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions"
<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/compose?to=kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>
Date: Wednesday, April 11, 2012, 3:50 PM****
****
****
On
Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 14:59, Harry Delano
<harry@comtelsys.co.ke<http://mc/compose?to=harry@comtelsys.co.ke>>
wrote:****
I’m not sure which is which, until
I see some response on whether we
might just as well happen to be drifting along rudderless…!!****
****
You mean the post-Easter
stupor, or??
****
-- Best
regards,
Odhiambo WASHINGTON,
Nairobi,KE
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Grace, I think it is a cultural thing here. Many people would rather write directly to you during a debate, as you say below, rather than voice their opinion openly. I am thinking Kenyans are still very shy and scared of being seen to "step on another's toes"- just in case their comment may be going against someone's opinion. Many would rather hide and comment quietly to the person next to them or the person they are close to. I imagine that is why there are still so many things that remain unchanged in the country that could be changed if people came out and voiced their opinions. But the few who write must never feel discouraged as their voices are still being heard and they are impacting on so many. It takes a few people to bring about change. My thoughts. Regards, Gilda ----- Original Message ----- From: Grace Githaiga To: godera@skyweb.co.ke Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 3:36 PM Subject: RE: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0 Spot on Gilda. However, it may be useful to hear from some lurkers as to why they are not active participants of the forum (there is not so much from the sisters :)). Maybe there is something that can be done to allow for more participation? I have for example received comments off-list when I have moderated debates, and my question to those listers is that it would be nice for them to raise the very good comments here on this forum. Again, the aim is to strengthen the forum and have it continue to remain relevant. On another note, I have seen some of our discussions here quoted authoritatively on mainstream media, as well as on social media. Ben Akoh, we look forward to reading the findings of your research. Lets keep this debate live! It is very useful. Rgds GG ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you have the strength to survive, you have the power to succeed. Life is all about choices we make depending upon the situation we are in. Go forth and rule the World! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: godera@skyweb.co.ke Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 14:12:58 +0300 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0 CC: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke To: ggithaiga@hotmail.com Long live Kictanet- as far as I am concerned. Listers, I think we need to remember that just like in any other forum, there are always the very few who engage in discussions while most do the listening. That is typical human behaviour, and it is therefore not odd nor is Kictanet dying because not all subscribed listers are actively participating. Personally, I am quite happy with the forum. And there has been so much to learn and listen to in the various debates- very useful. Regards, Gilda Odera ----- Original Message ----- From: Walubengo J To: godera@skyweb.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 12:04 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0 Ben This is a powerful testimony. I do also know of a PhD student whose core dataset is the KICTAnet archives. And others who got jobs/scholarships arising from KICTAnet posts. I think these are some of the stories that we want to hear from the "horses" mouth... However, on the flip-side, I think we should also welcome the negative experiences - or challenges as it were - so that we can improve going forward. walu. nb: ave taken the liberty to tweak the subject to include KICTAnet 2.0 --- On Fri, 4/13/12, Ben Akoh <me@benakoh.com> wrote: From: Ben Akoh <me@benakoh.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...! To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Friday, April 13, 2012, 2:17 AM Hi All, My name is Ben Akoh and I am one of many lurkers on this list, and on many others. I am not Kenyan, I have visited the country several times, I will be visiting it in the next month, I love it, its people, and have very good friends there. I participated in one of the earlier public forums that helped to shape Kictanet and that fed into the numerous fiber initiatives to which you and most of us now enjoy: directly when we visit the country, and indirectly when we interact with good people like yourselves who continue to pave the way for how public consultation can shape future growth and development. My comments are along three lines: 1. The benefits of lurkers: Being a lurker is not necessary a bad thing. Some of us continue to benefit from this list and learn good practices that inform public policy in many other areas. For instance, the Kictanet model is replicated across several national discussion lists in West Africa and have been suggested as a useful model for public consultation on policy issues. Lurkers benefit through propagate the good dialogues that emanate from this group in other forums beyond yours. See this as Kenya's export to the knowledge and information economy. 2. Questioning is good: Seeking ways through which this forum would become more relevant is also not necessarily a bad thing. Questioning leads to improvement. The day that every member of this group thinks that the list has arrived (group think), is the day it begins to slowly die a death. Thus, a constant review, as someone mentioned, against Kictanet's initial objectives is a good starting point; documenting its progress over the years through careful research (as another person mentioned) is also important. But significant consideration should be given to the medium of delivery and how this is relevant to the context of the times. "The medium is the message" (Marshall McLuhan). The medium should thus respond to the demands of the time. Considerations should be given to those for whom policy is deliberated but who do not have access to deliberate in its present form. 3. Kicktanet is one of several model that works: I am currently finalizing a toolkit (ebook and wiki) of several models that have worked for generating evidence and for seeking consent of those whom policy will affect using case studies of good practice models implemented across the world. Kictanet and this discussion list is featured prominently as one of them. I hope to share the outcome of this research once it has been published. In sum, all these go to say that: 1. The list is useful to both lurkers and active members. 2. Its influence transcends Kenya and contributes to shaping policy and policy consultation beyond its borders. 3. The medium should respond to the dynamic context of communication technologies, and cater to the local context as well as the growing needs of its audience - present and future. It should therefore be shaped accordingly. My two bob. Ben A lurker. On Thu, April 12, 2012 8:59 am, Evans Ikua wrote: > Now that we have to weigh in, I think this is an important list that it > serves its purposes well. If it falls silent for some time, then it means > that everyone is happy, which is not a bad thing. When its active, it > means > that people have issues, and they have a good place and forum to air their > concerns and opinion relating to the industry. > > As for the lurkers, they are also good to have. As someone said, one will > always speak out when their area of interest is mentioned and they have an > opinion to share. > > Regards, > Evans > > On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 4:49 PM, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> > wrote: > >> Now we talking. Please if you happen to be on this list, but presently >> on >> “read-only-mode” ( a new phrase I have learnt),**** >> >> please realize you owe it to this noble forum, started by noble people, >> with noble ideas at least in a way to leave some**** >> >> mark…**** >> >> ** ** >> >> So can we ensure that this forum carries the flag up higher and make a >> mark in this land and beyond that we can believe **** >> >> in. Have looked around, do not see any other forum with such >> broad/diverse >> membership.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Let’s keep the ideas coming in..**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Harry**** >> >> ** ** >> >> *From:* kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke >> [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] *On >> Behalf Of *Harry Hare >> *Sent:* Thursday, April 12, 2012 4:17 PM >> >> *To:* harry@comtelsys.co.ke >> *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions >> *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the >> dustbin...!**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Hey all, there is a strategy document floating somewhere. I think this >> could be a good place to start – see what has been achieved, what fell >> by >> the way side, identify what is still relevant, plug in new ideas and >> strengthen the network. KICTANet should never be allowed to "kick".**** >> >> **** >> >> Harry Hare**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Director**** >> >> African eDevelopment Resource Centre**** >> >> PO Box 49475 00100**** >> >> Nairobi, Kenya**** >> >> Tel +254 20 4041646**** >> >> Cel +254 725 650044**** >> >> ** ** >> >> ** ** >> >> *From: *Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com> >> *Date: *Thu, 12 Apr 2012 15:57:45 +0300 >> *To: *Harry Hare <harry@africanedevelopment.org> >> *Cc: *KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> >> *Subject: *Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the >> dustbin...!**** >> >> ** ** >> >> If we go back to early discussions about the multi-stakeholder network >> known as KICTAnet I recall there being a distinction between the mailing >> list participants, and those stakeholders who would actively engage in >> KICTAnet "activities".**** >> >> ** ** >> >> My take is that since there have been no "activities" as such - the >> feeling is that KICTAnet has "kicked" to borrow a phrase from >> @Harry.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> I remember there used to be monthly face-to-face meetings which followed >> a >> particular topic or theme of interest and served as an opportunity for >> participants from the various networks to meet within the context of the >> "network of networks". At the time there was program funding from donor >> to >> cover costs of those meetings, this has presumably, run out. Which leads >> me >> to ask, can we mobilise funds locally? At least for these gatherings? As >> they will give a greater element of traction to the organization while >> ensuring that it continues to remain relevant within the sector. >> Especially >> as the melting pot for policy debate.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Best regards,**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Brian**** >> >> ** ** >> >> On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 3:41 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> >> wrote:**** >> >> Joe, >> >> Currently listed number is 690 members from diverse backgrounds of >> Media, >> Academia, Govt, Regulator, Telcos(fixed, mobile, wireless). But as you >> noted not everyone is active -80% are often in read-only mode. That is >> one >> reason I thought we needed new thinking and new approaches... >> >> walu. >> >> --- On *Thu, 4/12/12, Joseph Mucheru <mucheru@google.com>* wrote:**** >> >> >> From: Joseph Mucheru <mucheru@google.com>**** >> >> >> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the >> dustbin...! >> To: jwalu@yahoo.com >> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" >> <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>**** >> >> Date: Thursday, April 12, 2012, 2:53 PM**** >> >> ** ** >> >> I am certainly above 35 and enjoy not only records but also the latest >> collaboration technologies "Google >> Hangouts<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QN38vHZjWXw>" >> I agree that we need to review our aim and strategies but we need to >> have a >> representative forum that allows for that to take place. @Brian you know >> many participant on this list are in read only mode.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> @Walu/@Washington - can you give us an idea of the number of people >> actively subscribed to the list? Not the names but the number. This will >> be >> a good place to start. Dealing with facts and not guess work.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Thanks**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Joe**** >> >> ** ** >> >> On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 2:31 PM, Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau >> <solo.mburu@gmail.com<http://mc/compose?to=solo.mburu@gmail.com>> >> wrote:**** >> >> ** ** >> >> On 12 April 2012 14:26, robert yawe >> <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk<http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk>> >> wrote:**** >> >> Harry,**** >> >> ** ** >> >> We are ageing, email is loosing is lustre and the new generation hate >> records and prefer platforms like twitter and facebook.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> The responsibility for keeping the forum active remains with those over >> 35 >> year old who unfortunately are trying to fit in with the younger >> crowd.*** >> * >> >> ** ** >> >> uuummmmm is there a way out of this loop.^C**** >> >> >> I'm below 35, but enjoy keeping records, in addition to facebook and >> twitter >> **** >> >> ** ** >> >> Regards **** >> >> **** >> >> Robert Yawe >> KAY System Technologies Ltd >> Phoenix House, 6th Floor >> P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 >> Kenya**** >> >> Tel: +254722511225 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting +254722511225 end_of_the_skype_highlighting, +254202010696 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting +254202010696 end_of_the_skype_highlighting**** >> ------------------------------ >> >> *From:* Harry Delano >> <harry@comtelsys.co.ke<http://mc/compose?to=harry@comtelsys.co.ke> >> > >> *To:* robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk >> <http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> >> **** >> >> *Cc:* 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' >> <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/compose?to=kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>> >> **** >> >> *Sent:* Thursday, 12 April 2012, 13:55**** >> >> >> *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the >> dustbin...!**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Ara..!**** >> >> **** >> >> Not many people seriously want to rejuvenate this forum, as per >> Brian/Walubengo’s suggestion…?**** >> >> **** >> >> Cannot imagine the forum becoming a good case study one day for some >> thesis student. Whose research titles among others:-**** >> >> · “How-to-kill a good forum, kick it into the dustbin and >> leave >> it for the dead” **** >> >> · “The rise and rise, and fall and fall of a myriad of many >> ICT >> forums in Kenya, the major one being….**** >> >> · “How-not-to build structural resilience and offer strategic >> leadership”. Why the big forum went M.I.A, and petered out..**** >> >> · And the final one perhaps, “ Do not repeat the mistakes >> listed >> above, time for a RESET..”!**** >> >> **** >> >> Certainly, unless otherwise – we might be headed for such a case >> study. >> Not sure if I should patent the titles, just in case..!**** >> >> **** >> >> Harry**** >> >> **** >> >> **** >> >> *From:* >> kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke>[mailto: >> kictanet-bounces+harry <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet-bounces%2Bharry>= >> comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke>] >> *On Behalf Of *Brian Munyao Longwe >> *Sent:* Thursday, April 12, 2012 12:50 AM >> *To:* harry@comtelsys.co.ke <http://mc/compose?to=harry@comtelsys.co.ke> >> *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions >> *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the >> dustbin...!**** >> >> **** >> >> I think Walu is on the right track. Every organisation for-profit or >> not, >> has to reassess it's strategy, relevance, business direction and thrust >> periodically or risk falling into the shadows.**** >> >> **** >> >> Is it time for KICTAnet to do so?**** >> >> **** >> >> As one of the founders and a trustee I think that the time has come.**** >> >> **** >> >> My 2 shillings,**** >> >> **** >> >> Brian**** >> >> On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 6:21 PM, Walubengo J >> <jwalu@yahoo.com<http://mc/compose?to=jwalu@yahoo.com>> >> wrote:**** >> >> @Wash, >> >> Maybe Delano is insinuating something. Perhaps KICTAnet needs to >> re-juvinate >> and re-energize. Bring in new blood and thinking. What do we want from >> KICTAnet, 8yrs later? What management structures, membership structures, >> operational, financial structures do we want to see going forward? >> >> Perhaps a brainstorming face2face session is due. I for one have been >> the >> moderator since inception and maybe someone else can do a better job and >> we >> just have not asked them to come forth. Think about it - I could have >> run >> out of ideas or some younger dot.commer <http://dot.com> may just be >> sitting on better ways of moderation that I have never imagined... >> >> just my 2pings. >> >> walu. >> >> --- On *Wed, 4/11/12, Odhiambo Washington >> <odhiambo@gmail.com<http://mc/compose?to=odhiambo@gmail.com> >> >* wrote:**** >> >> >> From: Odhiambo Washington >> <odhiambo@gmail.com<http://mc/compose?to=odhiambo@gmail.com> >> > >> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the >> dustbin...! >> To: jwalu@yahoo.com <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu@yahoo.com> >> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" >> <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/compose?to=kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> >> > >> Date: Wednesday, April 11, 2012, 3:50 PM**** >> >> **** >> >> **** >> >> On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 14:59, Harry Delano >> <harry@comtelsys.co.ke<http://mc/compose?to=harry@comtelsys.co.ke>> >> wrote:**** >> >> I’m not sure which is which, until I see some response on whether we >> might >> just as well happen to be drifting along rudderless…!!**** >> >> **** >> >> >> You mean the post-Easter stupor, or?? >> **** >> >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> Odhiambo WASHINGTON, >> Nairobi,KE >> +254733744121/+254722743223 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting +254722743223 end_of_the_skype_highlighting >> _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ >> I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler. >> [image: cid:image001.png@01CD18CB.53049790]Please consider the >> environment before printing this email. **** >> >> **** >> >> -----Inline Attachment Follows-----**** >> >> _______________________________________________ >> kictanet mailing list >> kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/compose?to=kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> >> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >> >> Unsubscribe or change your options at >> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/jwalu%40yahoo.com >> >> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform >> for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and >> regulation. 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The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT >> sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and >> development. >> >> KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors >> online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and >> bandwidth, >> share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, >> do >> not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.**** >> >> >> >> **** >> >> **** >> >> -- **** >> >> Brian Munyao Longwe**** >> >> e-mail: blongwe@gmail.com <http://mc/compose?to=blongwe@gmail.com> >> cell: +254715964281 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting +254715964281 end_of_the_skype_highlighting >> blog : http://zinjlog.blogspot.com >> meta-blog: http://mashilingi.blogspot.com**** >> >> **** >> >> "Give us clear vision that we may know where to stand and what to stand >> for, because unless we stand for something, we shall fall for >> anything."** >> ** >> >> **** >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> kictanet mailing list >> kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/compose?to=kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> >> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet**** >> >> Unsubscribe or change your options at >> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/robertyawe%40yahoo.co.u... >> **** >> >> >> >> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform >> for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and >> regulation. 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The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT >> sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and >> development. >> >> KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors >> online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and >> bandwidth, >> share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, >> do >> not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.**** >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> kictanet mailing list >> kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke >> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >> >> Unsubscribe or change your options at >> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/blongwe%40gmail.com >> >> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform >> for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and >> regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT >> sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and >> development. >> >> KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors >> online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and >> bandwidth, >> share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, >> do >> not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.**** >> >> >> >> **** >> >> ** ** >> >> -- **** >> >> Brian Munyao Longwe**** >> >> e-mail: blongwe@gmail.com >> cell: +254715964281 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting +254715964281 end_of_the_skype_highlighting >> blog : http://zinjlog.blogspot.com >> meta-blog: http://mashilingi.blogspot.com**** >> >> ** ** >> >> "Give us clear vision that we may know where to stand and what to stand >> for, because unless we stand for something, we shall fall for >> anything."** >> ** >> >> ** ** >> >> _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list >> kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke >> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or >> change your options at >> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/harry%40africanedevelop... >> Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for >> people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and >> regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT >> sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and >> development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of >> acceptable >> behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times >> and >> bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect >> privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.**** >> >> _______________________________________________ >> kictanet mailing list >> kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke >> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >> >> Unsubscribe or change your options at >> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/ikua.evans%40gmail.com >> >> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform >> for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and >> regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT >> sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and >> development. >> >> KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors >> online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and >> bandwidth, >> share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, >> do >> not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. >> > _______________________________________________ > kictanet mailing list > kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/me%40benakoh.com > > The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform > for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and > regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT > sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and > development. > > KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors > online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, > share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do > not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. -- Ben Akoh p: +221-77-638-6477 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting +221-77-638-6477 end_of_the_skype_highlighting (Senegal) p: +1204-960-6147 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting +1204-960-6147 end_of_the_skype_highlighting (Canada) e: me@benakoh.com skype: benakoh blog: http://benakoh.com _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/jwalu%40yahoo.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/godera%40skyweb.co.ke The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/ggithaiga%40hotmail.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. 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Thanks so much Gilda/Grace for your comments. So possibly from your own observation perhaps, how can we make it more interactive and engaging, and attract more participation..? Could it be we need to make the environment a little bit more conducive/friendlier and accommodative enough? My observation is the sisters are usually too silent. How do we empower..? Secondly I do note, in its formative years Kictanet actively & professionally ( through representation) engaged a number of players on the national stage, such us the Ps, CCK, Govt Depts, to shape ICT policy. There have been positive results from those engagement sessions (kamkunji). That also seems to have faded off..? Any idea..? This is because I have this strong feeling within, that since Kictanet was formed with the express objective to engage on a multi-stakeholder platform, there has never been such a time in its history as now that we need to engage more, and do so collectively. For instance, I thought this would be a time we would be actively engaging on Konza, Cyber security, just to name a few… or..? Harry From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Gilda Odera Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 4:08 PM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0 Grace, I think it is a cultural thing here. Many people would rather write directly to you during a debate, as you say below, rather than voice their opinion openly. I am thinking Kenyans are still very shy and scared of being seen to "step on another's toes"- just in case their comment may be going against someone's opinion. Many would rather hide and comment quietly to the person next to them or the person they are close to. I imagine that is why there are still so many things that remain unchanged in the country that could be changed if people came out and voiced their opinions. But the few who write must never feel discouraged as their voices are still being heard and they are impacting on so many. It takes a few people to bring about change. My thoughts. Regards, Gilda ----- Original Message ----- From: Grace Githaiga <mailto:ggithaiga@hotmail.com> To: godera@skyweb.co.ke Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 3:36 PM Subject: RE: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0 Spot on Gilda. However, it may be useful to hear from some lurkers as to why they are not active participants of the forum (there is not so much from the sisters :)). Maybe there is something that can be done to allow for more participation? I have for example received comments off-list when I have moderated debates, and my question to those listers is that it would be nice for them to raise the very good comments here on this forum. Again, the aim is to strengthen the forum and have it continue to remain relevant. On another note, I have seen some of our discussions here quoted authoritatively on mainstream media, as well as on social media. Ben Akoh, we look forward to reading the findings of your research. Lets keep this debate live! It is very useful. Rgds GG ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you have the strength to survive, you have the power to succeed. Life is all about choices we make depending upon the situation we are in. Go forth and rule the World! _____ From: godera@skyweb.co.ke Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 14:12:58 +0300 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0 CC: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke To: ggithaiga@hotmail.com Long live Kictanet- as far as I am concerned. Listers, I think we need to remember that just like in any other forum, there are always the very few who engage in discussions while most do the listening. That is typical human behaviour, and it is therefore not odd nor is Kictanet dying because not all subscribed listers are actively participating. Personally, I am quite happy with the forum. And there has been so much to learn and listen to in the various debates- very useful. Regards, Gilda Odera ----- Original Message ----- From: Walubengo J <mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com> To: godera@skyweb.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 12:04 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0 Ben This is a powerful testimony. I do also know of a PhD student whose core dataset is the KICTAnet archives. And others who got jobs/scholarships arising from KICTAnet posts. I think these are some of the stories that we want to hear from the "horses" mouth... However, on the flip-side, I think we should also welcome the negative experiences - or challenges as it were - so that we can improve going forward. walu. nb: ave taken the liberty to tweak the subject to include KICTAnet 2.0 --- On Fri, 4/13/12, Ben Akoh <me@benakoh.com> wrote: From: Ben Akoh <me@benakoh.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...! To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Friday, April 13, 2012, 2:17 AM Hi All, My name is Ben Akoh and I am one of many lurkers on this list, and on many others. I am not Kenyan, I have visited the country several times, I will be visiting it in the next month, I love it, its people, and have very good friends there. I participated in one of the earlier public forums that helped to shape Kictanet and that fed into the numerous fiber initiatives to which you and most of us now enjoy: directly when we visit the country, and indirectly when we interact with good people like yourselves who continue to pave the way for how public consultation can shape future growth and development. My comments are along three lines: 1. The benefits of lurkers: Being a lurker is not necessary a bad thing. Some of us continue to benefit from this list and learn good practices that inform public policy in many other areas. For instance, the Kictanet model is replicated across several national discussion lists in West Africa and have been suggested as a useful model for public consultation on policy issues. Lurkers benefit through propagate the good dialogues that emanate from this group in other forums beyond yours. See this as Kenya's export to the knowledge and information economy. 2. Questioning is good: Seeking ways through which this forum would become more relevant is also not necessarily a bad thing. Questioning leads to improvement. The day that every member of this group thinks that the list has arrived (group think), is the day it begins to slowly die a death. Thus, a constant review, as someone mentioned, against Kictanet's initial objectives is a good starting point; documenting its progress over the years through careful research (as another person mentioned) is also important. But significant consideration should be given to the medium of delivery and how this is relevant to the context of the times. "The medium is the message" (Marshall McLuhan). The medium should thus respond to the demands of the time. Considerations should be given to those for whom policy is deliberated but who do not have access to deliberate in its present form. 3. Kicktanet is one of several model that works: I am currently finalizing a toolkit (ebook and wiki) of several models that have worked for generating evidence and for seeking consent of those whom policy will affect using case studies of good practice models implemented across the world. Kictanet and this discussion list is featured prominently as one of them. I hope to share the outcome of this research once it has been published. In sum, all these go to say that: 1. The list is useful to both lurkers and active members. 2. Its influence transcends Kenya and contributes to shaping policy and policy consultation beyond its borders. 3. The medium should respond to the dynamic context of communication technologies, and cater to the local context as well as the growing needs of its audience - present and future. It should therefore be shaped accordingly. My two bob. Ben A lurker. On Thu, April 12, 2012 8:59 am, Evans Ikua wrote:
Now that we have to weigh in, I think this is an important list that it serves its purposes well. If it falls silent for some time, then it means that everyone is happy, which is not a bad thing. When its active, it means that people have issues, and they have a good place and forum to air their concerns and opinion relating to the industry.
As for the lurkers, they are also good to have. As someone said, one will always speak out when their area of interest is mentioned and they have an opinion to share.
Regards, Evans
On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 4:49 PM, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke <http://mc/compose?to=harry%40comtelsys.co.ke> > wrote:
Now we talking. Please if you happen to be on this list, but presently on “read-only-mode” ( a new phrase I have learnt),****
please realize you owe it to this noble forum, started by noble people, with noble ideas at least in a way to leave some****
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So can we ensure that this forum carries the flag up higher and make a mark in this land and beyond that we can believe ****
in. Have looked around, do not see any other forum with such broad/diverse membership.****
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*From:* kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke%40lists.kictanet.or.ke> [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke%40lists.kictanet.or.ke> ] *On Behalf Of *Harry Hare *Sent:* Thursday, April 12, 2012 4:17 PM
*To:* harry@comtelsys.co.ke <http://mc/compose?to=harry%40comtelsys.co.ke> *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...!****
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Hey all, there is a strategy document floating somewhere. I think this could be a good place to start – see what has been achieved, what fell by the way side, identify what is still relevant, plug in new ideas and strengthen the network. KICTANet should never be allowed to "kick".****
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*From: *Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com <http://mc/compose?to=blongwe%40gmail.com> > *Date: *Thu, 12 Apr 2012 15:57:45 +0300 *To: *Harry Hare <harry@africanedevelopment.org <http://mc/compose?to=harry%40africanedevelopment.org> > *Cc: *KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet%40lists.kictanet.or.ke> > *Subject: *Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...!****
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If we go back to early discussions about the multi-stakeholder network known as KICTAnet I recall there being a distinction between the mailing list participants, and those stakeholders who would actively engage in KICTAnet "activities".****
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I remember there used to be monthly face-to-face meetings which followed a particular topic or theme of interest and served as an opportunity for participants from the various networks to meet within the context of the "network of networks". At the time there was program funding from donor to cover costs of those meetings, this has presumably, run out. Which leads me to ask, can we mobilise funds locally? At least for these gatherings? As they will give a greater element of traction to the organization while ensuring that it continues to remain relevant within the sector. Especially as the melting pot for policy debate.****
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On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 3:41 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu%40yahoo.com> > wrote:****
Joe,
Currently listed number is 690 members from diverse backgrounds of Media, Academia, Govt, Regulator, Telcos(fixed, mobile, wireless). But as you noted not everyone is active -80% are often in read-only mode. That is one reason I thought we needed new thinking and new approaches...
walu.
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From: Joseph Mucheru <mucheru@google.com <http://mc/compose?to=mucheru%40google.com> >****
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...! To: jwalu@yahoo.com <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu%40yahoo.com> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet%40lists.kictanet.or.ke> >****
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I am certainly above 35 and enjoy not only records but also the latest collaboration technologies "Google Hangouts<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QN38vHZjWXw>" I agree that we need to review our aim and strategies but we need to have a representative forum that allows for that to take place. @Brian you know many participant on this list are in read only mode.****
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@Walu/@Washington - can you give us an idea of the number of people actively subscribed to the list? Not the names but the number. This will be a good place to start. Dealing with facts and not guess work.****
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On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 2:31 PM, Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com <http://mc/compose?to=solo.mburu%40gmail.com> <http://mc/compose?to=solo.mburu@gmail.com <http://mc/compose?to=solo.mburu%40gmail.com> >> wrote:****
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On 12 April 2012 14:26, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk <http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe%40yahoo.co.uk> <http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk <http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe%40yahoo.co.uk> >> wrote:****
Harry,****
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We are ageing, email is loosing is lustre and the new generation hate records and prefer platforms like twitter and facebook.****
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The responsibility for keeping the forum active remains with those over 35 year old who unfortunately are trying to fit in with the younger crowd.*** *
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uuummmmm is there a way out of this loop.^C****
I'm below 35, but enjoy keeping records, in addition to facebook and twitter ****
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*From:* Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke <http://mc/compose?to=harry%40comtelsys.co.ke> <http://mc/compose?to=harry@comtelsys.co.ke <http://mc/compose?to=harry%40comtelsys.co.ke> >
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Ara..!****
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Not many people seriously want to rejuvenate this forum, as per Brian/Walubengo’s suggestion…?****
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Cannot imagine the forum becoming a good case study one day for some thesis student. Whose research titles among others:-****
· “How-to-kill a good forum, kick it into the dustbin and leave it for the dead” ****
· “The rise and rise, and fall and fall of a myriad of many ICT forums in Kenya, the major one being….****
· “How-not-to build structural resilience and offer strategic leadership”. Why the big forum went M.I.A, and petered out..****
· And the final one perhaps, “ Do not repeat the mistakes listed above, time for a RESET..”!****
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Certainly, unless otherwise – we might be headed for such a case study. Not sure if I should patent the titles, just in case..!****
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*From:* kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke%40lists.kictanet.or.ke> <http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke%40lists.kictanet.or.ke> >[mailto: kictanet-bounces+harry <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet-bounces%2Bharry>= comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke%40lists.kictanet.or.ke> <http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke%40lists.kictanet.or.ke> >] *On Behalf Of *Brian Munyao Longwe *Sent:* Thursday, April 12, 2012 12:50 AM *To:* harry@comtelsys.co.ke <http://mc/compose?to=harry%40comtelsys.co.ke> <http://mc/compose?to=harry@comtelsys.co.ke <http://mc/compose?to=harry%40comtelsys.co.ke> > *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...!****
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I think Walu is on the right track. Every organisation for-profit or not, has to reassess it's strategy, relevance, business direction and thrust periodically or risk falling into the shadows.****
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Is it time for KICTAnet to do so?****
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As one of the founders and a trustee I think that the time has come.****
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My 2 shillings,****
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On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 6:21 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu%40yahoo.com> <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu@yahoo.com <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu%40yahoo.com> >> wrote:****
@Wash,
Maybe Delano is insinuating something. Perhaps KICTAnet needs to re-juvinate and re-energize. Bring in new blood and thinking. What do we want from KICTAnet, 8yrs later? What management structures, membership structures, operational, financial structures do we want to see going forward?
Perhaps a brainstorming face2face session is due. I for one have been the moderator since inception and maybe someone else can do a better job and we just have not asked them to come forth. Think about it - I could have run out of ideas or some younger dot.commer <http://dot.com> may just be sitting on better ways of moderation that I have never imagined...
just my 2pings.
walu.
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Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...! To: jwalu@yahoo.com <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu%40yahoo.com> <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu@yahoo.com <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu%40yahoo.com> > Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet%40lists.kictanet.or.ke> <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet%40lists.kictanet.or.ke> >
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On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 14:59, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke <http://mc/compose?to=harry%40comtelsys.co.ke> <http://mc/compose?to=harry@comtelsys.co.ke <http://mc/compose?to=harry%40comtelsys.co.ke> >> wrote:****
I’m not sure which is which, until I see some response on whether we might just as well happen to be drifting along rudderless…!!****
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Listers, I second what Gilda has mentioned below; it’s more out of fear (and trust me it’s founded) that many steer clear of making their opinions known, even when they are brilliant. Add that to cyber surveillance in effect, and you have yourself a perfect recipe for many keeping to themselves. Many of us (myself included) have this peculiar habit of never following things through, or staying the course long enough to get desired results. Reminds me of a very healthy discussion we had a while back sorting our traffic issues in Nairobi and many of major cities; or - the discussion we had started on cyber security concerns..as soon as something else came into the radar, we all forgot about it and never followed up with action plans. The forum needs an implementation outlet of some sorts, to follow through with the debates and pressure all stakeholders to come to the table and get things moving. We owe the next generation this much Best Regards, Edwin From: kictanet-bounces+eonchari=lynxbits.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+eonchari=lynxbits.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Harry Delano Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 4:38 PM To: Edwin Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0 Thanks so much Gilda/Grace for your comments. So possibly from your own observation perhaps, how can we make it more interactive and engaging, and attract more participation..? Could it be we need to make the environment a little bit more conducive/friendlier and accommodative enough? My observation is the sisters are usually too silent. How do we empower..? Secondly I do note, in its formative years Kictanet actively & professionally ( through representation) engaged a number of players on the national stage, such us the Ps, CCK, Govt Depts, to shape ICT policy. There have been positive results from those engagement sessions (kamkunji). That also seems to have faded off..? Any idea..? This is because I have this strong feeling within, that since Kictanet was formed with the express objective to engage on a multi-stakeholder platform, there has never been such a time in its history as now that we need to engage more, and do so collectively. For instance, I thought this would be a time we would be actively engaging on Konza, Cyber security, just to name a few… or..? Harry From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Gilda Odera Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 4:08 PM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0 Grace, I think it is a cultural thing here. Many people would rather write directly to you during a debate, as you say below, rather than voice their opinion openly. I am thinking Kenyans are still very shy and scared of being seen to "step on another's toes"- just in case their comment may be going against someone's opinion. Many would rather hide and comment quietly to the person next to them or the person they are close to. I imagine that is why there are still so many things that remain unchanged in the country that could be changed if people came out and voiced their opinions. But the few who write must never feel discouraged as their voices are still being heard and they are impacting on so many. It takes a few people to bring about change. My thoughts. Regards, Gilda ----- Original Message ----- From: Grace Githaiga <mailto:ggithaiga@hotmail.com> To: godera@skyweb.co.ke Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 3:36 PM Subject: RE: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0 Spot on Gilda. However, it may be useful to hear from some lurkers as to why they are not active participants of the forum (there is not so much from the sisters :)). Maybe there is something that can be done to allow for more participation? I have for example received comments off-list when I have moderated debates, and my question to those listers is that it would be nice for them to raise the very good comments here on this forum. Again, the aim is to strengthen the forum and have it continue to remain relevant. On another note, I have seen some of our discussions here quoted authoritatively on mainstream media, as well as on social media. Ben Akoh, we look forward to reading the findings of your research. Lets keep this debate live! It is very useful. Rgds GG ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you have the strength to survive, you have the power to succeed. Life is all about choices we make depending upon the situation we are in. Go forth and rule the World! _____ From: godera@skyweb.co.ke Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 14:12:58 +0300 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0 CC: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke To: ggithaiga@hotmail.com Long live Kictanet- as far as I am concerned. Listers, I think we need to remember that just like in any other forum, there are always the very few who engage in discussions while most do the listening. That is typical human behaviour, and it is therefore not odd nor is Kictanet dying because not all subscribed listers are actively participating. Personally, I am quite happy with the forum. And there has been so much to learn and listen to in the various debates- very useful. Regards, Gilda Odera ----- Original Message ----- From: Walubengo J <mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com> To: godera@skyweb.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 12:04 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0 Ben This is a powerful testimony. I do also know of a PhD student whose core dataset is the KICTAnet archives. And others who got jobs/scholarships arising from KICTAnet posts. I think these are some of the stories that we want to hear from the "horses" mouth... However, on the flip-side, I think we should also welcome the negative experiences - or challenges as it were - so that we can improve going forward. walu. nb: ave taken the liberty to tweak the subject to include KICTAnet 2.0 --- On Fri, 4/13/12, Ben Akoh <me@benakoh.com> wrote: From: Ben Akoh <me@benakoh.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...! To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Friday, April 13, 2012, 2:17 AM Hi All, My name is Ben Akoh and I am one of many lurkers on this list, and on many others. I am not Kenyan, I have visited the country several times, I will be visiting it in the next month, I love it, its people, and have very good friends there. I participated in one of the earlier public forums that helped to shape Kictanet and that fed into the numerous fiber initiatives to which you and most of us now enjoy: directly when we visit the country, and indirectly when we interact with good people like yourselves who continue to pave the way for how public consultation can shape future growth and development. My comments are along three lines: 1. The benefits of lurkers: Being a lurker is not necessary a bad thing. Some of us continue to benefit from this list and learn good practices that inform public policy in many other areas. For instance, the Kictanet model is replicated across several national discussion lists in West Africa and have been suggested as a useful model for public consultation on policy issues. Lurkers benefit through propagate the good dialogues that emanate from this group in other forums beyond yours. See this as Kenya's export to the knowledge and information economy. 2. Questioning is good: Seeking ways through which this forum would become more relevant is also not necessarily a bad thing. Questioning leads to improvement. The day that every member of this group thinks that the list has arrived (group think), is the day it begins to slowly die a death. Thus, a constant review, as someone mentioned, against Kictanet's initial objectives is a good starting point; documenting its progress over the years through careful research (as another person mentioned) is also important. But significant consideration should be given to the medium of delivery and how this is relevant to the context of the times. "The medium is the message" (Marshall McLuhan). The medium should thus respond to the demands of the time. Considerations should be given to those for whom policy is deliberated but who do not have access to deliberate in its present form. 3. Kicktanet is one of several model that works: I am currently finalizing a toolkit (ebook and wiki) of several models that have worked for generating evidence and for seeking consent of those whom policy will affect using case studies of good practice models implemented across the world. Kictanet and this discussion list is featured prominently as one of them. I hope to share the outcome of this research once it has been published. In sum, all these go to say that: 1. The list is useful to both lurkers and active members. 2. Its influence transcends Kenya and contributes to shaping policy and policy consultation beyond its borders. 3. The medium should respond to the dynamic context of communication technologies, and cater to the local context as well as the growing needs of its audience - present and future. It should therefore be shaped accordingly. My two bob. Ben A lurker. On Thu, April 12, 2012 8:59 am, Evans Ikua wrote:
Now that we have to weigh in, I think this is an important list that it serves its purposes well. If it falls silent for some time, then it means that everyone is happy, which is not a bad thing. When its active, it means that people have issues, and they have a good place and forum to air their concerns and opinion relating to the industry.
As for the lurkers, they are also good to have. As someone said, one will always speak out when their area of interest is mentioned and they have an opinion to share.
Regards, Evans
On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 4:49 PM, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke <http://mc/compose?to=harry%40comtelsys.co.ke> > wrote:
Now we talking. Please if you happen to be on this list, but presently on “read-only-mode” ( a new phrase I have learnt),****
please realize you owe it to this noble forum, started by noble people, with noble ideas at least in a way to leave some****
mark…****
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So can we ensure that this forum carries the flag up higher and make a mark in this land and beyond that we can believe ****
in. Have looked around, do not see any other forum with such broad/diverse membership.****
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Let’s keep the ideas coming in..****
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*From:* kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke%40lists.kictanet.or.ke> [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke%40lists.kictanet.or.ke> ] *On Behalf Of *Harry Hare *Sent:* Thursday, April 12, 2012 4:17 PM
*To:* harry@comtelsys.co.ke <http://mc/compose?to=harry%40comtelsys.co.ke> *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...!****
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Hey all, there is a strategy document floating somewhere. I think this could be a good place to start – see what has been achieved, what fell by the way side, identify what is still relevant, plug in new ideas and strengthen the network. KICTANet should never be allowed to "kick".****
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*From: *Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com <http://mc/compose?to=blongwe%40gmail.com> > *Date: *Thu, 12 Apr 2012 15:57:45 +0300 *To: *Harry Hare <harry@africanedevelopment.org <http://mc/compose?to=harry%40africanedevelopment.org> > *Cc: *KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet%40lists.kictanet.or.ke> > *Subject: *Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...!****
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If we go back to early discussions about the multi-stakeholder network known as KICTAnet I recall there being a distinction between the mailing list participants, and those stakeholders who would actively engage in KICTAnet "activities".****
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My take is that since there have been no "activities" as such - the feeling is that KICTAnet has "kicked" to borrow a phrase from @Harry.****
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I remember there used to be monthly face-to-face meetings which followed a particular topic or theme of interest and served as an opportunity for participants from the various networks to meet within the context of the "network of networks". At the time there was program funding from donor to cover costs of those meetings, this has presumably, run out. Which leads me to ask, can we mobilise funds locally? At least for these gatherings? As they will give a greater element of traction to the organization while ensuring that it continues to remain relevant within the sector. Especially as the melting pot for policy debate.****
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Best regards,****
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On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 3:41 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu%40yahoo.com> > wrote:****
Joe,
Currently listed number is 690 members from diverse backgrounds of Media, Academia, Govt, Regulator, Telcos(fixed, mobile, wireless). But as you noted not everyone is active -80% are often in read-only mode. That is one reason I thought we needed new thinking and new approaches...
walu.
--- On *Thu, 4/12/12, Joseph Mucheru <mucheru@google.com <http://mc/compose?to=mucheru%40google.com> >* wrote:****
From: Joseph Mucheru <mucheru@google.com <http://mc/compose?to=mucheru%40google.com> >****
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...! To: jwalu@yahoo.com <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu%40yahoo.com> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet%40lists.kictanet.or.ke> >****
Date: Thursday, April 12, 2012, 2:53 PM****
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I am certainly above 35 and enjoy not only records but also the latest collaboration technologies "Google Hangouts<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QN38vHZjWXw>" I agree that we need to review our aim and strategies but we need to have a representative forum that allows for that to take place. @Brian you know many participant on this list are in read only mode.****
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@Walu/@Washington - can you give us an idea of the number of people actively subscribed to the list? Not the names but the number. This will be a good place to start. Dealing with facts and not guess work.****
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Thanks****
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On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 2:31 PM, Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com <http://mc/compose?to=solo.mburu%40gmail.com> <http://mc/compose?to=solo.mburu@gmail.com <http://mc/compose?to=solo.mburu%40gmail.com> >> wrote:****
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On 12 April 2012 14:26, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk <http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe%40yahoo.co.uk> <http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk <http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe%40yahoo.co.uk> >> wrote:****
Harry,****
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We are ageing, email is loosing is lustre and the new generation hate records and prefer platforms like twitter and facebook.****
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The responsibility for keeping the forum active remains with those over 35 year old who unfortunately are trying to fit in with the younger crowd.*** *
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uuummmmm is there a way out of this loop.^C****
I'm below 35, but enjoy keeping records, in addition to facebook and twitter ****
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*From:* Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke <http://mc/compose?to=harry%40comtelsys.co.ke> <http://mc/compose?to=harry@comtelsys.co.ke <http://mc/compose?to=harry%40comtelsys.co.ke> >
*To:* robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk <http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe%40yahoo.co.uk> <http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk <http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe%40yahoo.co.uk> > ****
*Cc:* 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet%40lists.kictanet.or.ke> <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet%40lists.kictanet.or.ke> >> ****
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Ara..!****
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Not many people seriously want to rejuvenate this forum, as per Brian/Walubengo’s suggestion…?****
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Cannot imagine the forum becoming a good case study one day for some thesis student. Whose research titles among others:-****
· “How-to-kill a good forum, kick it into the dustbin and leave it for the dead” ****
· “The rise and rise, and fall and fall of a myriad of many ICT forums in Kenya, the major one being….****
· “How-not-to build structural resilience and offer strategic leadership”. Why the big forum went M.I.A, and petered out..****
· And the final one perhaps, “ Do not repeat the mistakes listed above, time for a RESET..”!****
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Certainly, unless otherwise – we might be headed for such a case study. Not sure if I should patent the titles, just in case..!****
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Harry****
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*From:* kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke%40lists.kictanet.or.ke> <http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke%40lists.kictanet.or.ke> >[mailto: kictanet-bounces+harry <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet-bounces%2Bharry>= comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke%40lists.kictanet.or.ke> <http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke%40lists.kictanet.or.ke> >] *On Behalf Of *Brian Munyao Longwe *Sent:* Thursday, April 12, 2012 12:50 AM *To:* harry@comtelsys.co.ke <http://mc/compose?to=harry%40comtelsys.co.ke> <http://mc/compose?to=harry@comtelsys.co.ke <http://mc/compose?to=harry%40comtelsys.co.ke> > *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...!****
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I think Walu is on the right track. Every organisation for-profit or not, has to reassess it's strategy, relevance, business direction and thrust periodically or risk falling into the shadows.****
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Is it time for KICTAnet to do so?****
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As one of the founders and a trustee I think that the time has come.****
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My 2 shillings,****
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Brian****
On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 6:21 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu%40yahoo.com> <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu@yahoo.com <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu%40yahoo.com> >> wrote:****
@Wash,
Maybe Delano is insinuating something. Perhaps KICTAnet needs to re-juvinate and re-energize. Bring in new blood and thinking. What do we want from KICTAnet, 8yrs later? What management structures, membership structures, operational, financial structures do we want to see going forward?
Perhaps a brainstorming face2face session is due. I for one have been the moderator since inception and maybe someone else can do a better job and we just have not asked them to come forth. Think about it - I could have run out of ideas or some younger dot.commer <http://dot.com> may just be sitting on better ways of moderation that I have never imagined...
just my 2pings.
walu.
--- On *Wed, 4/11/12, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com <http://mc/compose?to=odhiambo%40gmail.com> <http://mc/compose?to=odhiambo@gmail.com <http://mc/compose?to=odhiambo%40gmail.com> >
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From: Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com <http://mc/compose?to=odhiambo%40gmail.com> <http://mc/compose?to=odhiambo@gmail.com <http://mc/compose?to=odhiambo%40gmail.com> >
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...! To: jwalu@yahoo.com <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu%40yahoo.com> <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu@yahoo.com <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu%40yahoo.com> > Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet%40lists.kictanet.or.ke> <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet%40lists.kictanet.or.ke> >
Date: Wednesday, April 11, 2012, 3:50 PM****
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On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 14:59, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke <http://mc/compose?to=harry%40comtelsys.co.ke> <http://mc/compose?to=harry@comtelsys.co.ke <http://mc/compose?to=harry%40comtelsys.co.ke> >> wrote:****
I’m not sure which is which, until I see some response on whether we might just as well happen to be drifting along rudderless…!!****
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You mean the post-Easter stupor, or?? ****
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Hi Harry, I am not too sure the sisters can be any more empowered- short of force feeding really!:) Those who feel strongly about something tend to drop a line. I don't even think it is a gender issue, I am sure if you check out the subscriber base you will find that people are just keeping quiet in the background but picking a lot. How to make it more interactive? My suspicion is that many only read one thread and miss out the main thread of the debate and depending on what a subscriber has responded to, they sometimes "switch off" and do not read any more mails on that topic- in the process missing out on some interesting discussions in between. I think those who have something burning to say will say it anyway. The rest are neither here nor there in the debate so they see no need to comment nor read all the threads. Maybe on each topic the key Government agencies can be requested to always give an opinion- that may generate more participation.And the subject line would ensure it highlights " XXX's position on....".- Just wondering. Glad to read PS Murage's email to Grace- people are indeed reading Kictanet debates. . Gilda Odera ----- Original Message ----- From: Harry Delano To: 'Gilda Odera' Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 4:38 PM Subject: RE: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0 Thanks so much Gilda/Grace for your comments. So possibly from your own observation perhaps, how can we make it more interactive and engaging, and attract more participation..? Could it be we need to make the environment a little bit more conducive/friendlier and accommodative enough? My observation is the sisters are usually too silent. How do we empower..? Secondly I do note, in its formative years Kictanet actively & professionally ( through representation) engaged a number of players on the national stage, such us the Ps, CCK, Govt Depts, to shape ICT policy. There have been positive results from those engagement sessions (kamkunji). That also seems to have faded off..? Any idea..? This is because I have this strong feeling within, that since Kictanet was formed with the express objective to engage on a multi-stakeholder platform, there has never been such a time in its history as now that we need to engage more, and do so collectively. For instance, I thought this would be a time we would be actively engaging on Konza, Cyber security, just to name a few… or..? Harry From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Gilda Odera Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 4:08 PM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0 Grace, I think it is a cultural thing here. Many people would rather write directly to you during a debate, as you say below, rather than voice their opinion openly. I am thinking Kenyans are still very shy and scared of being seen to "step on another's toes"- just in case their comment may be going against someone's opinion. Many would rather hide and comment quietly to the person next to them or the person they are close to. I imagine that is why there are still so many things that remain unchanged in the country that could be changed if people came out and voiced their opinions. But the few who write must never feel discouraged as their voices are still being heard and they are impacting on so many. It takes a few people to bring about change. My thoughts. Regards, Gilda ----- Original Message ----- From: Grace Githaiga To: godera@skyweb.co.ke Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 3:36 PM Subject: RE: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0 Spot on Gilda. However, it may be useful to hear from some lurkers as to why they are not active participants of the forum (there is not so much from the sisters :)). Maybe there is something that can be done to allow for more participation? I have for example received comments off-list when I have moderated debates, and my question to those listers is that it would be nice for them to raise the very good comments here on this forum. Again, the aim is to strengthen the forum and have it continue to remain relevant. On another note, I have seen some of our discussions here quoted authoritatively on mainstream media, as well as on social media. Ben Akoh, we look forward to reading the findings of your research. Lets keep this debate live! It is very useful. Rgds GG ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you have the strength to survive, you have the power to succeed. Life is all about choices we make depending upon the situation we are in. Go forth and rule the World! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: godera@skyweb.co.ke Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 14:12:58 +0300 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0 CC: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke To: ggithaiga@hotmail.com Long live Kictanet- as far as I am concerned. Listers, I think we need to remember that just like in any other forum, there are always the very few who engage in discussions while most do the listening. That is typical human behaviour, and it is therefore not odd nor is Kictanet dying because not all subscribed listers are actively participating. Personally, I am quite happy with the forum. And there has been so much to learn and listen to in the various debates- very useful. Regards, Gilda Odera ----- Original Message ----- From: Walubengo J To: godera@skyweb.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 12:04 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0 Ben This is a powerful testimony. I do also know of a PhD student whose core dataset is the KICTAnet archives. And others who got jobs/scholarships arising from KICTAnet posts. I think these are some of the stories that we want to hear from the "horses" mouth... However, on the flip-side, I think we should also welcome the negative experiences - or challenges as it were - so that we can improve going forward. walu. nb: ave taken the liberty to tweak the subject to include KICTAnet 2.0 --- On Fri, 4/13/12, Ben Akoh <me@benakoh.com> wrote: From: Ben Akoh <me@benakoh.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...! To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Friday, April 13, 2012, 2:17 AM Hi All, My name is Ben Akoh and I am one of many lurkers on this list, and on many others. I am not Kenyan, I have visited the country several times, I will be visiting it in the next month, I love it, its people, and have very good friends there. I participated in one of the earlier public forums that helped to shape Kictanet and that fed into the numerous fiber initiatives to which you and most of us now enjoy: directly when we visit the country, and indirectly when we interact with good people like yourselves who continue to pave the way for how public consultation can shape future growth and development. My comments are along three lines: 1. The benefits of lurkers: Being a lurker is not necessary a bad thing. Some of us continue to benefit from this list and learn good practices that inform public policy in many other areas. For instance, the Kictanet model is replicated across several national discussion lists in West Africa and have been suggested as a useful model for public consultation on policy issues. Lurkers benefit through propagate the good dialogues that emanate from this group in other forums beyond yours. See this as Kenya's export to the knowledge and information economy. 2. Questioning is good: Seeking ways through which this forum would become more relevant is also not necessarily a bad thing. Questioning leads to improvement. The day that every member of this group thinks that the list has arrived (group think), is the day it begins to slowly die a death. Thus, a constant review, as someone mentioned, against Kictanet's initial objectives is a good starting point; documenting its progress over the years through careful research (as another person mentioned) is also important. But significant consideration should be given to the medium of delivery and how this is relevant to the context of the times. "The medium is the message" (Marshall McLuhan). The medium should thus respond to the demands of the time. Considerations should be given to those for whom policy is deliberated but who do not have access to deliberate in its present form. 3. Kicktanet is one of several model that works: I am currently finalizing a toolkit (ebook and wiki) of several models that have worked for generating evidence and for seeking consent of those whom policy will affect using case studies of good practice models implemented across the world. Kictanet and this discussion list is featured prominently as one of them. I hope to share the outcome of this research once it has been published. In sum, all these go to say that: 1. The list is useful to both lurkers and active members. 2. Its influence transcends Kenya and contributes to shaping policy and policy consultation beyond its borders. 3. The medium should respond to the dynamic context of communication technologies, and cater to the local context as well as the growing needs of its audience - present and future. It should therefore be shaped accordingly. My two bob. Ben A lurker. On Thu, April 12, 2012 8:59 am, Evans Ikua wrote: > Now that we have to weigh in, I think this is an important list that it > serves its purposes well. If it falls silent for some time, then it means > that everyone is happy, which is not a bad thing. When its active, it > means > that people have issues, and they have a good place and forum to air their > concerns and opinion relating to the industry. > > As for the lurkers, they are also good to have. As someone said, one will > always speak out when their area of interest is mentioned and they have an > opinion to share. > > Regards, > Evans > > On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 4:49 PM, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> > wrote: > >> Now we talking. Please if you happen to be on this list, but presently >> on >> “read-only-mode” ( a new phrase I have learnt),**** >> >> please realize you owe it to this noble forum, started by noble people, >> with noble ideas at least in a way to leave some**** >> >> mark…**** >> >> ** ** >> >> So can we ensure that this forum carries the flag up higher and make a >> mark in this land and beyond that we can believe **** >> >> in. Have looked around, do not see any other forum with such >> broad/diverse >> membership.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Let’s keep the ideas coming in..**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Harry**** >> >> ** ** >> >> *From:* kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke >> [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] *On >> Behalf Of *Harry Hare >> *Sent:* Thursday, April 12, 2012 4:17 PM >> >> *To:* harry@comtelsys.co.ke >> *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions >> *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the >> dustbin...!**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Hey all, there is a strategy document floating somewhere. I think this >> could be a good place to start – see what has been achieved, what fell >> by >> the way side, identify what is still relevant, plug in new ideas and >> strengthen the network. KICTANet should never be allowed to "kick".**** >> >> **** >> >> Harry Hare**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Director**** >> >> African eDevelopment Resource Centre**** >> >> PO Box 49475 00100**** >> >> Nairobi, Kenya**** >> >> Tel +254 20 4041646**** >> >> Cel +254 725 650044**** >> >> ** ** >> >> ** ** >> >> *From: *Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com> >> *Date: *Thu, 12 Apr 2012 15:57:45 +0300 >> *To: *Harry Hare <harry@africanedevelopment.org> >> *Cc: *KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> >> *Subject: *Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the >> dustbin...!**** >> >> ** ** >> >> If we go back to early discussions about the multi-stakeholder network >> known as KICTAnet I recall there being a distinction between the mailing >> list participants, and those stakeholders who would actively engage in >> KICTAnet "activities".**** >> >> ** ** >> >> My take is that since there have been no "activities" as such - the >> feeling is that KICTAnet has "kicked" to borrow a phrase from >> @Harry.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> I remember there used to be monthly face-to-face meetings which followed >> a >> particular topic or theme of interest and served as an opportunity for >> participants from the various networks to meet within the context of the >> "network of networks". At the time there was program funding from donor >> to >> cover costs of those meetings, this has presumably, run out. Which leads >> me >> to ask, can we mobilise funds locally? At least for these gatherings? As >> they will give a greater element of traction to the organization while >> ensuring that it continues to remain relevant within the sector. >> Especially >> as the melting pot for policy debate.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Best regards,**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Brian**** >> >> ** ** >> >> On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 3:41 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> >> wrote:**** >> >> Joe, >> >> Currently listed number is 690 members from diverse backgrounds of >> Media, >> Academia, Govt, Regulator, Telcos(fixed, mobile, wireless). But as you >> noted not everyone is active -80% are often in read-only mode. That is >> one >> reason I thought we needed new thinking and new approaches... >> >> walu. >> >> --- On *Thu, 4/12/12, Joseph Mucheru <mucheru@google.com>* wrote:**** >> >> >> From: Joseph Mucheru <mucheru@google.com>**** >> >> >> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the >> dustbin...! >> To: jwalu@yahoo.com >> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" >> <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>**** >> >> Date: Thursday, April 12, 2012, 2:53 PM**** >> >> ** ** >> >> I am certainly above 35 and enjoy not only records but also the latest >> collaboration technologies "Google >> Hangouts<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QN38vHZjWXw>" >> I agree that we need to review our aim and strategies but we need to >> have a >> representative forum that allows for that to take place. @Brian you know >> many participant on this list are in read only mode.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> @Walu/@Washington - can you give us an idea of the number of people >> actively subscribed to the list? Not the names but the number. This will >> be >> a good place to start. Dealing with facts and not guess work.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Thanks**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Joe**** >> >> ** ** >> >> On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 2:31 PM, Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau >> <solo.mburu@gmail.com<http://mc/compose?to=solo.mburu@gmail.com>> >> wrote:**** >> >> ** ** >> >> On 12 April 2012 14:26, robert yawe >> <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk<http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk>> >> wrote:**** >> >> Harry,**** >> >> ** ** >> >> We are ageing, email is loosing is lustre and the new generation hate >> records and prefer platforms like twitter and facebook.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> The responsibility for keeping the forum active remains with those over >> 35 >> year old who unfortunately are trying to fit in with the younger >> crowd.*** >> * >> >> ** ** >> >> uuummmmm is there a way out of this loop.^C**** >> >> >> I'm below 35, but enjoy keeping records, in addition to facebook and >> twitter >> **** >> >> ** ** >> >> Regards **** >> >> **** >> >> Robert Yawe >> KAY System Technologies Ltd >> Phoenix House, 6th Floor >> P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 >> Kenya**** >> >> Tel: +254722511225 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting +254722511225 end_of_the_skype_highlighting, +254202010696 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting +254202010696 end_of_the_skype_highlighting**** >> ------------------------------ >> >> *From:* Harry Delano >> <harry@comtelsys.co.ke<http://mc/compose?to=harry@comtelsys.co.ke> >> > >> *To:* robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk >> <http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> >> **** >> >> *Cc:* 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' >> <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/compose?to=kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>> >> **** >> >> *Sent:* Thursday, 12 April 2012, 13:55**** >> >> >> *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the >> dustbin...!**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Ara..!**** >> >> **** >> >> Not many people seriously want to rejuvenate this forum, as per >> Brian/Walubengo’s suggestion…?**** >> >> **** >> >> Cannot imagine the forum becoming a good case study one day for some >> thesis student. Whose research titles among others:-**** >> >> · “How-to-kill a good forum, kick it into the dustbin and >> leave >> it for the dead” **** >> >> · “The rise and rise, and fall and fall of a myriad of many >> ICT >> forums in Kenya, the major one being….**** >> >> · “How-not-to build structural resilience and offer strategic >> leadership”. Why the big forum went M.I.A, and petered out..**** >> >> · And the final one perhaps, “ Do not repeat the mistakes >> listed >> above, time for a RESET..”!**** >> >> **** >> >> Certainly, unless otherwise – we might be headed for such a case >> study. >> Not sure if I should patent the titles, just in case..!**** >> >> **** >> >> Harry**** >> >> **** >> >> **** >> >> *From:* >> kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke>[mailto: >> kictanet-bounces+harry <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet-bounces%2Bharry>= >> comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke>] >> *On Behalf Of *Brian Munyao Longwe >> *Sent:* Thursday, April 12, 2012 12:50 AM >> *To:* harry@comtelsys.co.ke <http://mc/compose?to=harry@comtelsys.co.ke> >> *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions >> *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the >> dustbin...!**** >> >> **** >> >> I think Walu is on the right track. Every organisation for-profit or >> not, >> has to reassess it's strategy, relevance, business direction and thrust >> periodically or risk falling into the shadows.**** >> >> **** >> >> Is it time for KICTAnet to do so?**** >> >> **** >> >> As one of the founders and a trustee I think that the time has come.**** >> >> **** >> >> My 2 shillings,**** >> >> **** >> >> Brian**** >> >> On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 6:21 PM, Walubengo J >> <jwalu@yahoo.com<http://mc/compose?to=jwalu@yahoo.com>> >> wrote:**** >> >> @Wash, >> >> Maybe Delano is insinuating something. Perhaps KICTAnet needs to >> re-juvinate >> and re-energize. Bring in new blood and thinking. What do we want from >> KICTAnet, 8yrs later? What management structures, membership structures, >> operational, financial structures do we want to see going forward? >> >> Perhaps a brainstorming face2face session is due. I for one have been >> the >> moderator since inception and maybe someone else can do a better job and >> we >> just have not asked them to come forth. Think about it - I could have >> run >> out of ideas or some younger dot.commer <http://dot.com> may just be >> sitting on better ways of moderation that I have never imagined... >> >> just my 2pings. >> >> walu. >> >> --- On *Wed, 4/11/12, Odhiambo Washington >> <odhiambo@gmail.com<http://mc/compose?to=odhiambo@gmail.com> >> >* wrote:**** >> >> >> From: Odhiambo Washington >> <odhiambo@gmail.com<http://mc/compose?to=odhiambo@gmail.com> >> > >> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the >> dustbin...! >> To: jwalu@yahoo.com <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu@yahoo.com> >> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" >> <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/compose?to=kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> >> > >> Date: Wednesday, April 11, 2012, 3:50 PM**** >> >> **** >> >> **** >> >> On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 14:59, Harry Delano >> <harry@comtelsys.co.ke<http://mc/compose?to=harry@comtelsys.co.ke>> >> wrote:**** >> >> I’m not sure which is which, until I see some response on whether we >> might >> just as well happen to be drifting along rudderless…!!**** >> >> **** >> >> >> You mean the post-Easter stupor, or?? >> **** >> >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> Odhiambo WASHINGTON, >> Nairobi,KE >> +254733744121/+254722743223 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting +254722743223 end_of_the_skype_highlighting >> _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ >> I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler. >> [image: cid:image001.png@01CD18CB.53049790]Please consider the >> environment before printing this email. **** >> >> **** >> >> -----Inline Attachment Follows-----**** >> >> _______________________________________________ >> kictanet mailing list >> kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/compose?to=kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> >> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >> >> Unsubscribe or change your options at >> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/jwalu%40yahoo.com >> >> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform >> for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and >> regulation. 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The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT >> sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and >> development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of >> acceptable >> behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times >> and >> bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect >> privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.**** >> >> _______________________________________________ >> kictanet mailing list >> kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke >> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >> >> Unsubscribe or change your options at >> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/ikua.evans%40gmail.com >> >> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform >> for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and >> regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT >> sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and >> development. >> >> KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors >> online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and >> bandwidth, >> share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, >> do >> not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. >> > _______________________________________________ > kictanet mailing list > kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/me%40benakoh.com > > The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform > for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and > regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT > sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and > development. > > KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors > online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, > share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do > not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. -- Ben Akoh p: +221-77-638-6477 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting +221-77-638-6477 end_of_the_skype_highlighting (Senegal) p: +1204-960-6147 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting +1204-960-6147 end_of_the_skype_highlighting (Canada) e: me@benakoh.com skype: benakoh blog: http://benakoh.com _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/jwalu%40yahoo.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/godera%40skyweb.co.ke The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/ggithaiga%40hotmail.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. 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Thanks so much Gilda. Actually, therein lies the conundrum – How to grow the forum potential that we have? How to spur on such a huge base as per Washington’s stats, to a wider participation/engagement for mutual benefit of all, the nation and beyond. Debate here on the good days can really, really be rich in content at the same time being informative & Educative. Secondly, as Edwin earlier on stated, on those good days when debate – deliberation & conclusions is at its best, we unfortunately do not have mechanisms in place to follow this through with the decision makers – effectively influencing policy. How do we address this..? It won’t just be enough to build up an archive for PhD students out of the Kictanet repositories.. Let these deliberations make a difference that can count in this country. That is Kictanet.. Harry From: Gilda Odera [mailto:godera@skyweb.co.ke] Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 5:26 PM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0 Hi Harry, I am not too sure the sisters can be any more empowered- short of force feeding really!:) Those who feel strongly about something tend to drop a line. I don't even think it is a gender issue, I am sure if you check out the subscriber base you will find that people are just keeping quiet in the background but picking a lot. How to make it more interactive? My suspicion is that many only read one thread and miss out the main thread of the debate and depending on what a subscriber has responded to, they sometimes "switch off" and do not read any more mails on that topic- in the process missing out on some interesting discussions in between. I think those who have something burning to say will say it anyway. The rest are neither here nor there in the debate so they see no need to comment nor read all the threads. Maybe on each topic the key Government agencies can be requested to always give an opinion- that may generate more participation.And the subject line would ensure it highlights " XXX's position on....".- Just wondering. Glad to read PS Murage's email to Grace- people are indeed reading Kictanet debates. . Gilda Odera ----- Original Message ----- From: Harry Delano <mailto:harry@comtelsys.co.ke> To: 'Gilda Odera' <mailto:godera@skyweb.co.ke> Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 4:38 PM Subject: RE: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0 Thanks so much Gilda/Grace for your comments. So possibly from your own observation perhaps, how can we make it more interactive and engaging, and attract more participation..? Could it be we need to make the environment a little bit more conducive/friendlier and accommodative enough? My observation is the sisters are usually too silent. How do we empower..? Secondly I do note, in its formative years Kictanet actively & professionally ( through representation) engaged a number of players on the national stage, such us the Ps, CCK, Govt Depts, to shape ICT policy. There have been positive results from those engagement sessions (kamkunji). That also seems to have faded off..? Any idea..? This is because I have this strong feeling within, that since Kictanet was formed with the express objective to engage on a multi-stakeholder platform, there has never been such a time in its history as now that we need to engage more, and do so collectively. For instance, I thought this would be a time we would be actively engaging on Konza, Cyber security, just to name a few… or..? Harry From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Gilda Odera Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 4:08 PM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0 Grace, I think it is a cultural thing here. Many people would rather write directly to you during a debate, as you say below, rather than voice their opinion openly. I am thinking Kenyans are still very shy and scared of being seen to "step on another's toes"- just in case their comment may be going against someone's opinion. Many would rather hide and comment quietly to the person next to them or the person they are close to. I imagine that is why there are still so many things that remain unchanged in the country that could be changed if people came out and voiced their opinions. But the few who write must never feel discouraged as their voices are still being heard and they are impacting on so many. It takes a few people to bring about change. My thoughts. Regards, Gilda ----- Original Message ----- From: Grace Githaiga <mailto:ggithaiga@hotmail.com> To: godera@skyweb.co.ke Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 3:36 PM Subject: RE: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0 Spot on Gilda. However, it may be useful to hear from some lurkers as to why they are not active participants of the forum (there is not so much from the sisters :)). Maybe there is something that can be done to allow for more participation? I have for example received comments off-list when I have moderated debates, and my question to those listers is that it would be nice for them to raise the very good comments here on this forum. Again, the aim is to strengthen the forum and have it continue to remain relevant. On another note, I have seen some of our discussions here quoted authoritatively on mainstream media, as well as on social media. Ben Akoh, we look forward to reading the findings of your research. Lets keep this debate live! It is very useful. Rgds GG ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you have the strength to survive, you have the power to succeed. Life is all about choices we make depending upon the situation we are in. Go forth and rule the World! _____ From: godera@skyweb.co.ke Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 14:12:58 +0300 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0 CC: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke To: ggithaiga@hotmail.com Long live Kictanet- as far as I am concerned. Listers, I think we need to remember that just like in any other forum, there are always the very few who engage in discussions while most do the listening. That is typical human behaviour, and it is therefore not odd nor is Kictanet dying because not all subscribed listers are actively participating. Personally, I am quite happy with the forum. And there has been so much to learn and listen to in the various debates- very useful. Regards, Gilda Odera ----- Original Message ----- From: Walubengo J <mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com> To: godera@skyweb.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 12:04 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0 Ben This is a powerful testimony. I do also know of a PhD student whose core dataset is the KICTAnet archives. And others who got jobs/scholarships arising from KICTAnet posts. I think these are some of the stories that we want to hear from the "horses" mouth... However, on the flip-side, I think we should also welcome the negative experiences - or challenges as it were - so that we can improve going forward. walu. nb: ave taken the liberty to tweak the subject to include KICTAnet 2.0 --- On Fri, 4/13/12, Ben Akoh <me@benakoh.com> wrote: From: Ben Akoh <me@benakoh.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...! To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Friday, April 13, 2012, 2:17 AM Hi All, My name is Ben Akoh and I am one of many lurkers on this list, and on many others. I am not Kenyan, I have visited the country several times, I will be visiting it in the next month, I love it, its people, and have very good friends there. I participated in one of the earlier public forums that helped to shape Kictanet and that fed into the numerous fiber initiatives to which you and most of us now enjoy: directly when we visit the country, and indirectly when we interact with good people like yourselves who continue to pave the way for how public consultation can shape future growth and development. My comments are along three lines: 1. The benefits of lurkers: Being a lurker is not necessary a bad thing. Some of us continue to benefit from this list and learn good practices that inform public policy in many other areas. For instance, the Kictanet model is replicated across several national discussion lists in West Africa and have been suggested as a useful model for public consultation on policy issues. Lurkers benefit through propagate the good dialogues that emanate from this group in other forums beyond yours. See this as Kenya's export to the knowledge and information economy. 2. Questioning is good: Seeking ways through which this forum would become more relevant is also not necessarily a bad thing. Questioning leads to improvement. The day that every member of this group thinks that the list has arrived (group think), is the day it begins to slowly die a death. Thus, a constant review, as someone mentioned, against Kictanet's initial objectives is a good starting point; documenting its progress over the years through careful research (as another person mentioned) is also important. But significant consideration should be given to the medium of delivery and how this is relevant to the context of the times. "The medium is the message" (Marshall McLuhan). The medium should thus respond to the demands of the time. Considerations should be given to those for whom policy is deliberated but who do not have access to deliberate in its present form. 3. Kicktanet is one of several model that works: I am currently finalizing a toolkit (ebook and wiki) of several models that have worked for generating evidence and for seeking consent of those whom policy will affect using case studies of good practice models implemented across the world. Kictanet and this discussion list is featured prominently as one of them. I hope to share the outcome of this research once it has been published. In sum, all these go to say that: 1. The list is useful to both lurkers and active members. 2. Its influence transcends Kenya and contributes to shaping policy and policy consultation beyond its borders. 3. The medium should respond to the dynamic context of communication technologies, and cater to the local context as well as the growing needs of its audience - present and future. It should therefore be shaped accordingly. My two bob. Ben A lurker. On Thu, April 12, 2012 8:59 am, Evans Ikua wrote:
Now that we have to weigh in, I think this is an important list that it serves its purposes well. If it falls silent for some time, then it means that everyone is happy, which is not a bad thing. When its active, it means that people have issues, and they have a good place and forum to air their concerns and opinion relating to the industry.
As for the lurkers, they are also good to have. As someone said, one will always speak out when their area of interest is mentioned and they have an opinion to share.
Regards, Evans
On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 4:49 PM, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke <http://mc/compose?to=harry%40comtelsys.co.ke> > wrote:
Now we talking. Please if you happen to be on this list, but presently on “read-only-mode” ( a new phrase I have learnt),****
please realize you owe it to this noble forum, started by noble people, with noble ideas at least in a way to leave some****
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*From:* kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke%40lists.kictanet.or.ke> [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke%40lists.kictanet.or.ke> ] *On Behalf Of *Harry Hare *Sent:* Thursday, April 12, 2012 4:17 PM
*To:* harry@comtelsys.co.ke <http://mc/compose?to=harry%40comtelsys.co.ke> *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...!****
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Hey all, there is a strategy document floating somewhere. I think this could be a good place to start – see what has been achieved, what fell by the way side, identify what is still relevant, plug in new ideas and strengthen the network. KICTANet should never be allowed to "kick".****
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*From: *Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com <http://mc/compose?to=blongwe%40gmail.com> > *Date: *Thu, 12 Apr 2012 15:57:45 +0300 *To: *Harry Hare <harry@africanedevelopment.org <http://mc/compose?to=harry%40africanedevelopment.org> > *Cc: *KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet%40lists.kictanet.or.ke> > *Subject: *Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...!****
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If we go back to early discussions about the multi-stakeholder network known as KICTAnet I recall there being a distinction between the mailing list participants, and those stakeholders who would actively engage in KICTAnet "activities".****
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I remember there used to be monthly face-to-face meetings which followed a particular topic or theme of interest and served as an opportunity for participants from the various networks to meet within the context of the "network of networks". At the time there was program funding from donor to cover costs of those meetings, this has presumably, run out. Which leads me to ask, can we mobilise funds locally? At least for these gatherings? As they will give a greater element of traction to the organization while ensuring that it continues to remain relevant within the sector. Especially as the melting pot for policy debate.****
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On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 3:41 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu%40yahoo.com> > wrote:****
Joe,
Currently listed number is 690 members from diverse backgrounds of Media, Academia, Govt, Regulator, Telcos(fixed, mobile, wireless). But as you noted not everyone is active -80% are often in read-only mode. That is one reason I thought we needed new thinking and new approaches...
walu.
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From: Joseph Mucheru <mucheru@google.com <http://mc/compose?to=mucheru%40google.com> >****
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...! To: jwalu@yahoo.com <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu%40yahoo.com> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet%40lists.kictanet.or.ke> >****
Date: Thursday, April 12, 2012, 2:53 PM****
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I am certainly above 35 and enjoy not only records but also the latest collaboration technologies "Google Hangouts<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QN38vHZjWXw>" I agree that we need to review our aim and strategies but we need to have a representative forum that allows for that to take place. @Brian you know many participant on this list are in read only mode.****
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@Walu/@Washington - can you give us an idea of the number of people actively subscribed to the list? Not the names but the number. This will be a good place to start. Dealing with facts and not guess work.****
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On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 2:31 PM, Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com <http://mc/compose?to=solo.mburu%40gmail.com> <http://mc/compose?to=solo.mburu@gmail.com <http://mc/compose?to=solo.mburu%40gmail.com> >> wrote:****
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On 12 April 2012 14:26, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk <http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe%40yahoo.co.uk> <http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk <http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe%40yahoo.co.uk> >> wrote:****
Harry,****
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We are ageing, email is loosing is lustre and the new generation hate records and prefer platforms like twitter and facebook.****
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The responsibility for keeping the forum active remains with those over 35 year old who unfortunately are trying to fit in with the younger crowd.*** *
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uuummmmm is there a way out of this loop.^C****
I'm below 35, but enjoy keeping records, in addition to facebook and twitter ****
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*Cc:* 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet%40lists.kictanet.or.ke> <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet%40lists.kictanet.or.ke> >> ****
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Ara..!****
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Not many people seriously want to rejuvenate this forum, as per Brian/Walubengo’s suggestion…?****
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Cannot imagine the forum becoming a good case study one day for some thesis student. Whose research titles among others:-****
· “How-to-kill a good forum, kick it into the dustbin and leave it for the dead” ****
· “The rise and rise, and fall and fall of a myriad of many ICT forums in Kenya, the major one being….****
· “How-not-to build structural resilience and offer strategic leadership”. Why the big forum went M.I.A, and petered out..****
· And the final one perhaps, “ Do not repeat the mistakes listed above, time for a RESET..”!****
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Certainly, unless otherwise – we might be headed for such a case study. Not sure if I should patent the titles, just in case..!****
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*From:* kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke%40lists.kictanet.or.ke> <http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke%40lists.kictanet.or.ke> >[mailto: kictanet-bounces+harry <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet-bounces%2Bharry>= comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke%40lists.kictanet.or.ke> <http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke%40lists.kictanet.or.ke> >] *On Behalf Of *Brian Munyao Longwe *Sent:* Thursday, April 12, 2012 12:50 AM *To:* harry@comtelsys.co.ke <http://mc/compose?to=harry%40comtelsys.co.ke> <http://mc/compose?to=harry@comtelsys.co.ke <http://mc/compose?to=harry%40comtelsys.co.ke> > *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...!****
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I think Walu is on the right track. Every organisation for-profit or not, has to reassess it's strategy, relevance, business direction and thrust periodically or risk falling into the shadows.****
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Is it time for KICTAnet to do so?****
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As one of the founders and a trustee I think that the time has come.****
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My 2 shillings,****
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On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 6:21 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu%40yahoo.com> <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu@yahoo.com <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu%40yahoo.com> >> wrote:****
@Wash,
Maybe Delano is insinuating something. Perhaps KICTAnet needs to re-juvinate and re-energize. Bring in new blood and thinking. What do we want from KICTAnet, 8yrs later? What management structures, membership structures, operational, financial structures do we want to see going forward?
Perhaps a brainstorming face2face session is due. I for one have been the moderator since inception and maybe someone else can do a better job and we just have not asked them to come forth. Think about it - I could have run out of ideas or some younger dot.commer <http://dot.com> may just be sitting on better ways of moderation that I have never imagined...
just my 2pings.
walu.
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Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...! To: jwalu@yahoo.com <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu%40yahoo.com> <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu@yahoo.com <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu%40yahoo.com> > Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet%40lists.kictanet.or.ke> <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet%40lists.kictanet.or.ke> >
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On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 14:59, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke <http://mc/compose?to=harry%40comtelsys.co.ke> <http://mc/compose?to=harry@comtelsys.co.ke <http://mc/compose?to=harry%40comtelsys.co.ke> >> wrote:****
I’m not sure which is which, until I see some response on whether we might just as well happen to be drifting along rudderless…!!****
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You mean the post-Easter stupor, or?? ****
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I would like to make a practical suggestion. A practice that started with TESPOK and has been used in the past by KICTANET has been the development of an ICT Sector "wish-list" or visioning paper which is then shared with the various political parties for inclusion into their party manifestos. Then, depending on the party structure thereafter holding parties that took the recommendations on board accountable. The items addressed on this could range from various policy proposals to request for changes to existing legislation and/or new legislation. Taxation is always an item of course. I think that the theme of this year's Connected Kenya summit "Knowledge. Beyond" and many of initiatives that were shared by Govt could serve as touchpoints for this. Best regards, Brian On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 9:05 PM, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> wrote:
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Actually, therein lies the conundrum – How to grow the forum potential that we have? How to spur on such a huge base as****
per Washington’s stats, to a wider participation/engagement for mutual benefit of all, the nation and beyond. Debate here****
on the good days can really, really be rich in content at the same time being informative & Educative.****
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Secondly, as Edwin earlier on stated, on those good days when debate – deliberation & conclusions is at its best, we****
unfortunately do not have mechanisms in place to follow this through with the decision makers – effectively influencing ****
policy. How do we address this..? It won’t just be enough to build up an archive for PhD students out of the Kictanet****
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*From:* Gilda Odera [mailto:godera@skyweb.co.ke] *Sent:* Friday, April 13, 2012 5:26 PM
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I am not too sure the sisters can be any more empowered- short of force feeding really!:)****
Those who feel strongly about something tend to drop a line.****
I don't even think it is a gender issue, I am sure if you check out the subscriber base you will find that people are just keeping quiet in the background but picking a lot.****
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How to make it more interactive?****
My suspicion is that many only read one thread and miss out the main thread of the debate and depending on what a subscriber has responded to, they sometimes "switch off" and do not read any more mails on that topic- in the process missing out on some interesting discussions in between.****
I think those who have something burning to say will say it anyway. The rest are neither here nor there in the debate so they see no need to comment nor read all the threads.****
Maybe on each topic the key Government agencies can be requested to always give an opinion- that may generate more participation.And the subject line would ensure it highlights " XXX's position on....".- Just wondering.****
Glad to read PS Murage's email to Grace- people are indeed reading Kictanet debates. ****
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Thanks so much Gilda/Grace for your comments. So possibly from your own observation perhaps, how can we make ****
it more interactive and engaging, and attract more participation..? Could it be we need to make the environment a little ****
bit more conducive/friendlier and accommodative enough? My observation is the sisters are usually too silent. How****
do we empower..?****
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Secondly I do note, in its formative years Kictanet actively & professionally ( through representation) engaged a number****
of players on the national stage, such us the Ps, CCK, Govt Depts, to shape ICT policy. There have been positive results****
from those engagement sessions (kamkunji). That also seems to have faded off..? Any idea..?****
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This is because I have this strong feeling within, that since Kictanet was formed with the express objective to engage ****
on a multi-stakeholder platform, there has never been such a time in its history as now that we need to engage more, ****
and do so collectively. For instance, I thought this would be a time we would be actively engaging on Konza, Cyber****
security, just to name a few… or..?****
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Harry****
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*From:* kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke[mailto: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] *On Behalf Of *Gilda Odera *Sent:* Friday, April 13, 2012 4:08 PM *To:* harry@comtelsys.co.ke *Cc:* kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0****
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Grace,****
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I think it is a cultural thing here. Many people would rather write directly to you during a debate, as you say below, rather than voice their opinion openly. I am thinking Kenyans are still very shy and scared of being seen to "step on another's toes"- just in case their comment may be going against someone's opinion. Many would rather hide and comment quietly to the person next to them or the person they are close to.****
I imagine that is why there are still so many things that remain unchanged in the country that could be changed if people came out and voiced their opinions. But the few who write must never feel discouraged as their voices are still being heard and they are impacting on so many. It takes a few people to bring about change. ****
My thoughts. ****
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Regards,****
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Gilda****
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*From:* Grace Githaiga <ggithaiga@hotmail.com> ****
*To:* godera@skyweb.co.ke ****
*Cc:* kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke ****
*Sent:* Friday, April 13, 2012 3:36 PM****
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Spot on Gilda. However, it may be useful to hear from some lurkers as to why they are not active participants of the forum (there is not so much from the sisters :)). Maybe there is something that can be done to allow for more participation? I have for example received comments off-list when I have moderated debates, and my question to those listers is that it would be nice for them to raise the very good comments here on this forum. Again, the aim is to strengthen the forum and have it continue to remain relevant. ****
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On another note, I have seen some of our discussions here quoted authoritatively on mainstream media, as well as on social media. ****
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Ben Akoh, we look forward to reading the findings of your research. ****
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Lets keep this debate live! It is very useful.****
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Rgds****
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From: godera@skyweb.co.ke Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 14:12:58 +0300 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0 CC: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke To: ggithaiga@hotmail.com****
Long live Kictanet- as far as I am concerned.****
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Listers,****
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I think we need to remember that just like in any other forum, there are always the very few who engage in discussions while most do the listening. That is typical human behaviour, and it is therefore not odd nor is Kictanet dying because not all subscribed listers are actively participating.****
Personally, I am quite happy with the forum. And there has been so much to learn and listen to in the various debates- very useful.****
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Regards,****
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Gilda Odera****
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*From:* Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> ****
*To:* godera@skyweb.co.ke ****
*Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> ****
*Sent:* Friday, April 13, 2012 12:04 PM****
*Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0****
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Ben
This is a powerful testimony. I do also know of a PhD student whose core dataset is the KICTAnet archives. And others who got jobs/scholarships arising from KICTAnet posts. I think these are some of the stories that we want to hear from the "horses" mouth...
However, on the flip-side, I think we should also welcome the negative experiences - or challenges as it were - so that we can improve going forward.
walu. nb: ave taken the liberty to tweak the subject to include KICTAnet 2.0
--- On *Fri, 4/13/12, Ben Akoh <me@benakoh.com>* wrote:****
From: Ben Akoh <me@benakoh.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...! To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Friday, April 13, 2012, 2:17 AM****
Hi All,
My name is Ben Akoh and I am one of many lurkers on this list, and on many others. I am not Kenyan, I have visited the country several times, I will be visiting it in the next month, I love it, its people, and have very good friends there.
I participated in one of the earlier public forums that helped to shape Kictanet and that fed into the numerous fiber initiatives to which you and most of us now enjoy: directly when we visit the country, and indirectly when we interact with good people like yourselves who continue to pave the way for how public consultation can shape future growth and development.
My comments are along three lines:
1. The benefits of lurkers: Being a lurker is not necessary a bad thing. Some of us continue to benefit from this list and learn good practices that inform public policy in many other areas. For instance, the Kictanet model is replicated across several national discussion lists in West Africa and have been suggested as a useful model for public consultation on policy issues. Lurkers benefit through propagate the good dialogues that emanate from this group in other forums beyond yours. See this as Kenya's export to the knowledge and information economy.
2. Questioning is good: Seeking ways through which this forum would become more relevant is also not necessarily a bad thing. Questioning leads to improvement. The day that every member of this group thinks that the list has arrived (group think), is the day it begins to slowly die a death. Thus, a constant review, as someone mentioned, against Kictanet's initial objectives is a good starting point; documenting its progress over the years through careful research (as another person mentioned) is also important. But significant consideration should be given to the medium of delivery and how this is relevant to the context of the times. "The medium is the message" (Marshall McLuhan). The medium should thus respond to the demands of the time. Considerations should be given to those for whom policy is deliberated but who do not have access to deliberate in its present form.
3. Kicktanet is one of several model that works: I am currently finalizing a toolkit (ebook and wiki) of several models that have worked for generating evidence and for seeking consent of those whom policy will affect using case studies of good practice models implemented across the world. Kictanet and this discussion list is featured prominently as one of them. I hope to share the outcome of this research once it has been published.
In sum, all these go to say that:
1. The list is useful to both lurkers and active members. 2. Its influence transcends Kenya and contributes to shaping policy and policy consultation beyond its borders. 3. The medium should respond to the dynamic context of communication technologies, and cater to the local context as well as the growing needs of its audience - present and future. It should therefore be shaped accordingly.
My two bob.
Ben A lurker.
Now that we have to weigh in, I think this is an important list that it serves its purposes well. If it falls silent for some time, then it means that everyone is happy, which is not a bad thing. When its active, it means that people have issues, and they have a good place and forum to air
On Thu, April 12, 2012 8:59 am, Evans Ikua wrote: their
concerns and opinion relating to the industry.
As for the lurkers, they are also good to have. As someone said, one will always speak out when their area of interest is mentioned and they have an opinion to share.
Regards, Evans
On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 4:49 PM, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke<http://mc/compose?to=harry%40comtelsys.co.ke>
wrote:
Now we talking. Please if you happen to be on this list, but presently on “read-only-mode” ( a new phrase I have learnt),****
please realize you owe it to this noble forum, started by noble people, with noble ideas at least in a way to leave some****
mark…****
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So can we ensure that this forum carries the flag up higher and make a mark in this land and beyond that we can believe ****
in. Have looked around, do not see any other forum with such broad/diverse membership.****
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Let’s keep the ideas coming in..****
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Harry****
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*From:* kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke%40lists.kictanet.or.ke> [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke%40lists.kictanet.or.ke>] *On Behalf Of *Harry Hare *Sent:* Thursday, April 12, 2012 4:17 PM
*To:* harry@comtelsys.co.ke<http://mc/compose?to=harry%40comtelsys.co.ke> *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...!****
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Hey all, there is a strategy document floating somewhere. I think this could be a good place to start – see what has been achieved, what fell by the way side, identify what is still relevant, plug in new ideas and strengthen the network. KICTANet should never be allowed to "kick".****
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Harry Hare****
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African eDevelopment Resource Centre****
PO Box 49475 00100****
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Tel +254 20 4041646****
Cel +254 725 650044****
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*From: *Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com<http://mc/compose?to=blongwe%40gmail.com>
*Date: *Thu, 12 Apr 2012 15:57:45 +0300 *To: *Harry Hare <harry@africanedevelopment.org<http://mc/compose?to=harry%40africanedevelopment.org>
*Cc: *KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/compose?to=kictanet%40lists.kictanet.or.ke>
*Subject: *Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...!****
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If we go back to early discussions about the multi-stakeholder network known as KICTAnet I recall there being a distinction between the mailing list participants, and those stakeholders who would actively engage in KICTAnet "activities".****
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My take is that since there have been no "activities" as such - the feeling is that KICTAnet has "kicked" to borrow a phrase from @Harry.****
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I remember there used to be monthly face-to-face meetings which followed a particular topic or theme of interest and served as an opportunity for participants from the various networks to meet within the context of the "network of networks". At the time there was program funding from donor to cover costs of those meetings, this has presumably, run out. Which leads me to ask, can we mobilise funds locally? At least for these gatherings? As they will give a greater element of traction to the organization while ensuring that it continues to remain relevant within the sector. Especially as the melting pot for policy debate.****
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Best regards,****
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Brian****
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On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 3:41 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com<http://mc/compose?to=jwalu%40yahoo.com>
wrote:****
Joe,
Currently listed number is 690 members from diverse backgrounds of Media, Academia, Govt, Regulator, Telcos(fixed, mobile, wireless). But as you noted not everyone is active -80% are often in read-only mode. That is one reason I thought we needed new thinking and new approaches...
walu.
--- On *Thu, 4/12/12, Joseph Mucheru <mucheru@google.com<http://mc/compose?to=mucheru%40google.com>>* wrote:****
From: Joseph Mucheru <mucheru@google.com<http://mc/compose?to=mucheru%40google.com>
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...! To: jwalu@yahoo.com <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu%40yahoo.com> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/compose?to=kictanet%40lists.kictanet.or.ke>
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Date: Thursday, April 12, 2012, 2:53 PM****
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I am certainly above 35 and enjoy not only records but also the latest collaboration technologies "Google Hangouts<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QN38vHZjWXw>" I agree that we need to review our aim and strategies but we need to have a representative forum that allows for that to take place. @Brian you know many participant on this list are in read only mode.****
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@Walu/@Washington - can you give us an idea of the number of people actively subscribed to the list? Not the names but the number. This will be a good place to start. Dealing with facts and not guess work.****
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Thanks****
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Joe****
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On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 2:31 PM, Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com <http://mc/compose?to=solo.mburu%40gmail.com><;
http://mc/compose?to=solo.mburu@gmail.com>>
wrote:****
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On 12 April 2012 14:26, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk <http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe%40yahoo.co.uk> <http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk>> wrote:****
Harry,****
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We are ageing, email is loosing is lustre and the new generation hate records and prefer platforms like twitter and facebook.****
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The responsibility for keeping the forum active remains with those over 35 year old who unfortunately are trying to fit in with the younger crowd.*** *
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uuummmmm is there a way out of this loop.^C****
I'm below 35, but enjoy keeping records, in addition to facebook and twitter ****
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Regards ****
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Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya****
Tel: +254722511225 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting +254722511225 end_of_the_skype_highlighting, +254202010696begin_of_the_skype_highlighting +254202010696 end_of_the_skype_highlighting**** ------------------------------
*From:* Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke <http://mc/compose?to=harry%40comtelsys.co.ke><; http://mc/compose?to=harry@comtelsys.co.ke>
*To:* robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk<http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe%40yahoo.co.uk> <http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> ****
*Cc:* 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/compose?to=kictanet%40lists.kictanet.or.ke> <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>> ****
*Sent:* Thursday, 12 April 2012, 13:55****
*Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...!****
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Ara..!****
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Not many people seriously want to rejuvenate this forum, as per Brian/Walubengo’s suggestion…?****
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Cannot imagine the forum becoming a good case study one day for some thesis student. Whose research titles among others:-****
· “How-to-kill a good forum, kick it into the dustbin and leave it for the dead” ****
· “The rise and rise, and fall and fall of a myriad of many ICT forums in Kenya, the major one being….****
· “How-not-to build structural resilience and offer strategic leadership”. Why the big forum went M.I.A, and petered out..****
· And the final one perhaps, “ Do not repeat the mistakes listed above, time for a RESET..”!****
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Certainly, unless otherwise – we might be headed for such a case study. Not sure if I should patent the titles, just in case..!****
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Harry****
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*From:* kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke%40lists.kictanet.or.ke> <http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke>[mailto: kictanet-bounces+harry <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet-bounces%2Bharry>= comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke%40lists.kictanet.or.ke> <http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke>] *On Behalf Of *Brian Munyao Longwe *Sent:* Thursday, April 12, 2012 12:50 AM *To:* harry@comtelsys.co.ke<http://mc/compose?to=harry%40comtelsys.co.ke><; http://mc/compose?to=harry@comtelsys.co.ke> *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...!****
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I think Walu is on the right track. Every organisation for-profit or not, has to reassess it's strategy, relevance, business direction and thrust periodically or risk falling into the shadows.****
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Is it time for KICTAnet to do so?****
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As one of the founders and a trustee I think that the time has come.****
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My 2 shillings,****
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Brian****
On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 6:21 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu%40yahoo.com><; http://mc/compose?to=jwalu@yahoo.com>> wrote:****
@Wash,
Maybe Delano is insinuating something. Perhaps KICTAnet needs to re-juvinate and re-energize. Bring in new blood and thinking. What do we want from KICTAnet, 8yrs later? What management structures, membership structures, operational, financial structures do we want to see going forward?
Perhaps a brainstorming face2face session is due. I for one have been the moderator since inception and maybe someone else can do a better job and we just have not asked them to come forth. Think about it - I could have run out of ideas or some younger dot.commer <http://dot.com> may just be sitting on better ways of moderation that I have never imagined...
just my 2pings.
walu.
--- On *Wed, 4/11/12, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com <http://mc/compose?to=odhiambo%40gmail.com><; http://mc/compose?to=odhiambo@gmail.com>
* wrote:****
From: Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com <http://mc/compose?to=odhiambo%40gmail.com><; http://mc/compose?to=odhiambo@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...! To: jwalu@yahoo.com <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu%40yahoo.com> < http://mc/compose?to=jwalu@yahoo.com> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/compose?to=kictanet%40lists.kictanet.or.ke> <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>
Date: Wednesday, April 11, 2012, 3:50 PM****
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On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 14:59, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke <http://mc/compose?to=harry%40comtelsys.co.ke><; http://mc/compose?to=harry@comtelsys.co.ke>> wrote:****
I’m not sure which is which, until I see some response on whether we might just as well happen to be drifting along rudderless…!!****
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You mean the post-Easter stupor, or?? ****
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-- Brian Munyao Longwe e-mail: blongwe@gmail.com cell: +254715964281 blog : http://zinjlog.blogspot.com meta-blog: http://mashilingi.blogspot.com "Give us clear vision that we may know where to stand and what to stand for, because unless we stand for something, we shall fall for anything."
Harry/Gilda Et all, Following this whole discussion I can help but conclude the country have moved to a different stage in the development of the ICT sector. In the past we came together because there were major issues we needed to deal with. The face 2 face was even important to ensure we framed the issues well for the stakeholders. - We have a policy framework in place (an evolving one) - The market is competitive (call rates and internet rates are low) - We are leading in innovations in mobile money globally (mpesa) - iHub and other open community spaces are doing well - look at the mlab<http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/MLab++gets+Sh1+31+billion+financial+boost+/-/1248928/1380044/-/t1p59dz/-/index.html> Content and other funding (Billions of shillings) - John Waibochi is winning global competitions with virtual city - Cables landed - 4G and evolving - etc .... - We still have some legacy issues (Telkom and Posta) - But we know there are qualified people dealing with them amongst others Am not saying things are perfect, only that we have not identified an obvious national cross cutting issue to rally everyone around. Konza is a great but most people I have talked to are not clear how to engage (yet they do not want to be left out). May I propose an action for this list. Paint a picture of Kenya's ICT sector in 2020. By this I mean, what do we all think Kenya's ICT sector will/can look like in next 10 years. This will allow each of us to reflect of what we are doing today and how we can impact that vision of tomorrow. Thanks Joe My view is we have exhausted discussions on setting a suitable framework and what we need is to move to the next level On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 7:05 PM, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> wrote:
Thanks so much Gilda.****
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Actually, therein lies the conundrum – How to grow the forum potential that we have? How to spur on such a huge base as****
per Washington’s stats, to a wider participation/engagement for mutual benefit of all, the nation and beyond. Debate here****
on the good days can really, really be rich in content at the same time being informative & Educative.****
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Secondly, as Edwin earlier on stated, on those good days when debate – deliberation & conclusions is at its best, we****
unfortunately do not have mechanisms in place to follow this through with the decision makers – effectively influencing ****
policy. How do we address this..? It won’t just be enough to build up an archive for PhD students out of the Kictanet****
repositories.. Let these deliberations make a difference that can count in this country. ****
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That is Kictanet..****
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*From:* Gilda Odera [mailto:godera@skyweb.co.ke] *Sent:* Friday, April 13, 2012 5:26 PM
*To:* harry@comtelsys.co.ke *Cc:* kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0****
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Hi Harry,****
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I am not too sure the sisters can be any more empowered- short of force feeding really!:)****
Those who feel strongly about something tend to drop a line.****
I don't even think it is a gender issue, I am sure if you check out the subscriber base you will find that people are just keeping quiet in the background but picking a lot.****
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How to make it more interactive?****
My suspicion is that many only read one thread and miss out the main thread of the debate and depending on what a subscriber has responded to, they sometimes "switch off" and do not read any more mails on that topic- in the process missing out on some interesting discussions in between.****
I think those who have something burning to say will say it anyway. The rest are neither here nor there in the debate so they see no need to comment nor read all the threads.****
Maybe on each topic the key Government agencies can be requested to always give an opinion- that may generate more participation.And the subject line would ensure it highlights " XXX's position on....".- Just wondering.****
Glad to read PS Murage's email to Grace- people are indeed reading Kictanet debates. ****
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Gilda Odera****
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*From:* Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> ****
*To:* 'Gilda Odera' <godera@skyweb.co.ke> ****
*Cc:* kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke ****
*Sent:* Friday, April 13, 2012 4:38 PM****
*Subject:* RE: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0****
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Thanks so much Gilda/Grace for your comments. So possibly from your own observation perhaps, how can we make ****
it more interactive and engaging, and attract more participation..? Could it be we need to make the environment a little ****
bit more conducive/friendlier and accommodative enough? My observation is the sisters are usually too silent. How****
do we empower..?****
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Secondly I do note, in its formative years Kictanet actively & professionally ( through representation) engaged a number****
of players on the national stage, such us the Ps, CCK, Govt Depts, to shape ICT policy. There have been positive results****
from those engagement sessions (kamkunji). That also seems to have faded off..? Any idea..?****
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This is because I have this strong feeling within, that since Kictanet was formed with the express objective to engage ****
on a multi-stakeholder platform, there has never been such a time in its history as now that we need to engage more, ****
and do so collectively. For instance, I thought this would be a time we would be actively engaging on Konza, Cyber****
security, just to name a few… or..?****
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Harry****
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*From:* kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke[mailto: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] *On Behalf Of *Gilda Odera *Sent:* Friday, April 13, 2012 4:08 PM *To:* harry@comtelsys.co.ke *Cc:* kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0****
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Grace,****
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I think it is a cultural thing here. Many people would rather write directly to you during a debate, as you say below, rather than voice their opinion openly. I am thinking Kenyans are still very shy and scared of being seen to "step on another's toes"- just in case their comment may be going against someone's opinion. Many would rather hide and comment quietly to the person next to them or the person they are close to.****
I imagine that is why there are still so many things that remain unchanged in the country that could be changed if people came out and voiced their opinions. But the few who write must never feel discouraged as their voices are still being heard and they are impacting on so many. It takes a few people to bring about change. ****
My thoughts. ****
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Regards,****
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Gilda****
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*From:* Grace Githaiga <ggithaiga@hotmail.com> ****
*To:* godera@skyweb.co.ke ****
*Cc:* kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke ****
*Sent:* Friday, April 13, 2012 3:36 PM****
*Subject:* RE: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0****
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Spot on Gilda. However, it may be useful to hear from some lurkers as to why they are not active participants of the forum (there is not so much from the sisters :)). Maybe there is something that can be done to allow for more participation? I have for example received comments off-list when I have moderated debates, and my question to those listers is that it would be nice for them to raise the very good comments here on this forum. Again, the aim is to strengthen the forum and have it continue to remain relevant. ****
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On another note, I have seen some of our discussions here quoted authoritatively on mainstream media, as well as on social media. ****
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Ben Akoh, we look forward to reading the findings of your research. ****
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Lets keep this debate live! It is very useful.****
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Rgds****
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From: godera@skyweb.co.ke Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 14:12:58 +0300 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0 CC: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke To: ggithaiga@hotmail.com****
Long live Kictanet- as far as I am concerned.****
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Listers,****
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I think we need to remember that just like in any other forum, there are always the very few who engage in discussions while most do the listening. That is typical human behaviour, and it is therefore not odd nor is Kictanet dying because not all subscribed listers are actively participating.****
Personally, I am quite happy with the forum. And there has been so much to learn and listen to in the various debates- very useful.****
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Regards,****
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Gilda Odera****
----- Original Message ----- ****
*From:* Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> ****
*To:* godera@skyweb.co.ke ****
*Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> ****
*Sent:* Friday, April 13, 2012 12:04 PM****
*Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0****
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Ben
This is a powerful testimony. I do also know of a PhD student whose core dataset is the KICTAnet archives. And others who got jobs/scholarships arising from KICTAnet posts. I think these are some of the stories that we want to hear from the "horses" mouth...
However, on the flip-side, I think we should also welcome the negative experiences - or challenges as it were - so that we can improve going forward.
walu. nb: ave taken the liberty to tweak the subject to include KICTAnet 2.0
--- On *Fri, 4/13/12, Ben Akoh <me@benakoh.com>* wrote:****
From: Ben Akoh <me@benakoh.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...! To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Friday, April 13, 2012, 2:17 AM****
Hi All,
My name is Ben Akoh and I am one of many lurkers on this list, and on many others. I am not Kenyan, I have visited the country several times, I will be visiting it in the next month, I love it, its people, and have very good friends there.
I participated in one of the earlier public forums that helped to shape Kictanet and that fed into the numerous fiber initiatives to which you and most of us now enjoy: directly when we visit the country, and indirectly when we interact with good people like yourselves who continue to pave the way for how public consultation can shape future growth and development.
My comments are along three lines:
1. The benefits of lurkers: Being a lurker is not necessary a bad thing. Some of us continue to benefit from this list and learn good practices that inform public policy in many other areas. For instance, the Kictanet model is replicated across several national discussion lists in West Africa and have been suggested as a useful model for public consultation on policy issues. Lurkers benefit through propagate the good dialogues that emanate from this group in other forums beyond yours. See this as Kenya's export to the knowledge and information economy.
2. Questioning is good: Seeking ways through which this forum would become more relevant is also not necessarily a bad thing. Questioning leads to improvement. The day that every member of this group thinks that the list has arrived (group think), is the day it begins to slowly die a death. Thus, a constant review, as someone mentioned, against Kictanet's initial objectives is a good starting point; documenting its progress over the years through careful research (as another person mentioned) is also important. But significant consideration should be given to the medium of delivery and how this is relevant to the context of the times. "The medium is the message" (Marshall McLuhan). The medium should thus respond to the demands of the time. Considerations should be given to those for whom policy is deliberated but who do not have access to deliberate in its present form.
3. Kicktanet is one of several model that works: I am currently finalizing a toolkit (ebook and wiki) of several models that have worked for generating evidence and for seeking consent of those whom policy will affect using case studies of good practice models implemented across the world. Kictanet and this discussion list is featured prominently as one of them. I hope to share the outcome of this research once it has been published.
In sum, all these go to say that:
1. The list is useful to both lurkers and active members. 2. Its influence transcends Kenya and contributes to shaping policy and policy consultation beyond its borders. 3. The medium should respond to the dynamic context of communication technologies, and cater to the local context as well as the growing needs of its audience - present and future. It should therefore be shaped accordingly.
My two bob.
Ben A lurker.
Now that we have to weigh in, I think this is an important list that it serves its purposes well. If it falls silent for some time, then it means that everyone is happy, which is not a bad thing. When its active, it means that people have issues, and they have a good place and forum to air
On Thu, April 12, 2012 8:59 am, Evans Ikua wrote: their
concerns and opinion relating to the industry.
As for the lurkers, they are also good to have. As someone said, one will always speak out when their area of interest is mentioned and they have an opinion to share.
Regards, Evans
On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 4:49 PM, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke<http://mc/compose?to=harry%40comtelsys.co.ke>
wrote:
Now we talking. Please if you happen to be on this list, but presently on “read-only-mode” ( a new phrase I have learnt),****
please realize you owe it to this noble forum, started by noble people, with noble ideas at least in a way to leave some****
mark…****
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So can we ensure that this forum carries the flag up higher and make a mark in this land and beyond that we can believe ****
in. Have looked around, do not see any other forum with such broad/diverse membership.****
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Let’s keep the ideas coming in..****
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Harry****
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*From:* kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke%40lists.kictanet.or.ke> [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke%40lists.kictanet.or.ke>] *On Behalf Of *Harry Hare *Sent:* Thursday, April 12, 2012 4:17 PM
*To:* harry@comtelsys.co.ke<http://mc/compose?to=harry%40comtelsys.co.ke> *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...!****
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Hey all, there is a strategy document floating somewhere. I think this could be a good place to start – see what has been achieved, what fell by the way side, identify what is still relevant, plug in new ideas and strengthen the network. KICTANet should never be allowed to "kick".****
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Harry Hare****
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Tel +254 20 4041646****
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*From: *Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com<http://mc/compose?to=blongwe%40gmail.com>
*Date: *Thu, 12 Apr 2012 15:57:45 +0300 *To: *Harry Hare <harry@africanedevelopment.org<http://mc/compose?to=harry%40africanedevelopment.org>
*Cc: *KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/compose?to=kictanet%40lists.kictanet.or.ke>
*Subject: *Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...!****
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If we go back to early discussions about the multi-stakeholder network known as KICTAnet I recall there being a distinction between the mailing list participants, and those stakeholders who would actively engage in KICTAnet "activities".****
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My take is that since there have been no "activities" as such - the feeling is that KICTAnet has "kicked" to borrow a phrase from @Harry.****
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I remember there used to be monthly face-to-face meetings which followed a particular topic or theme of interest and served as an opportunity for participants from the various networks to meet within the context of the "network of networks". At the time there was program funding from donor to cover costs of those meetings, this has presumably, run out. Which leads me to ask, can we mobilise funds locally? At least for these gatherings? As they will give a greater element of traction to the organization while ensuring that it continues to remain relevant within the sector. Especially as the melting pot for policy debate.****
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Best regards,****
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On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 3:41 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com<http://mc/compose?to=jwalu%40yahoo.com>
wrote:****
Joe,
Currently listed number is 690 members from diverse backgrounds of Media, Academia, Govt, Regulator, Telcos(fixed, mobile, wireless). But as you noted not everyone is active -80% are often in read-only mode. That is one reason I thought we needed new thinking and new approaches...
walu.
--- On *Thu, 4/12/12, Joseph Mucheru <mucheru@google.com<http://mc/compose?to=mucheru%40google.com>>* wrote:****
From: Joseph Mucheru <mucheru@google.com<http://mc/compose?to=mucheru%40google.com>
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...! To: jwalu@yahoo.com <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu%40yahoo.com> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/compose?to=kictanet%40lists.kictanet.or.ke>
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Date: Thursday, April 12, 2012, 2:53 PM****
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I am certainly above 35 and enjoy not only records but also the latest collaboration technologies "Google Hangouts<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QN38vHZjWXw>" I agree that we need to review our aim and strategies but we need to have a representative forum that allows for that to take place. @Brian you know many participant on this list are in read only mode.****
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@Walu/@Washington - can you give us an idea of the number of people actively subscribed to the list? Not the names but the number. This will be a good place to start. Dealing with facts and not guess work.****
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Thanks****
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Joe****
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On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 2:31 PM, Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com <http://mc/compose?to=solo.mburu%40gmail.com><;
http://mc/compose?to=solo.mburu@gmail.com>>
wrote:****
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On 12 April 2012 14:26, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk <http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe%40yahoo.co.uk> <http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk>> wrote:****
Harry,****
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We are ageing, email is loosing is lustre and the new generation hate records and prefer platforms like twitter and facebook.****
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The responsibility for keeping the forum active remains with those over 35 year old who unfortunately are trying to fit in with the younger crowd.*** *
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uuummmmm is there a way out of this loop.^C****
I'm below 35, but enjoy keeping records, in addition to facebook and twitter ****
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Regards ****
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Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya****
Tel: +254722511225 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting +254722511225 end_of_the_skype_highlighting, +254202010696begin_of_the_skype_highlighting +254202010696 end_of_the_skype_highlighting**** ------------------------------
*From:* Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke <http://mc/compose?to=harry%40comtelsys.co.ke><; http://mc/compose?to=harry@comtelsys.co.ke>
*To:* robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk<http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe%40yahoo.co.uk> <http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> ****
*Cc:* 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/compose?to=kictanet%40lists.kictanet.or.ke> <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>> ****
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Ara..!****
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Not many people seriously want to rejuvenate this forum, as per Brian/Walubengo’s suggestion…?****
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Cannot imagine the forum becoming a good case study one day for some thesis student. Whose research titles among others:-****
· “How-to-kill a good forum, kick it into the dustbin and leave it for the dead” ****
· “The rise and rise, and fall and fall of a myriad of many ICT forums in Kenya, the major one being….****
· “How-not-to build structural resilience and offer strategic leadership”. Why the big forum went M.I.A, and petered out..****
· And the final one perhaps, “ Do not repeat the mistakes listed above, time for a RESET..”!****
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Certainly, unless otherwise – we might be headed for such a case study. Not sure if I should patent the titles, just in case..!****
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*From:* kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke%40lists.kictanet.or.ke> <http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke>[mailto: kictanet-bounces+harry <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet-bounces%2Bharry>= comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke%40lists.kictanet.or.ke> <http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke>] *On Behalf Of *Brian Munyao Longwe *Sent:* Thursday, April 12, 2012 12:50 AM *To:* harry@comtelsys.co.ke<http://mc/compose?to=harry%40comtelsys.co.ke><; http://mc/compose?to=harry@comtelsys.co.ke> *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...!****
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I think Walu is on the right track. Every organisation for-profit or not, has to reassess it's strategy, relevance, business direction and thrust periodically or risk falling into the shadows.****
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Is it time for KICTAnet to do so?****
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As one of the founders and a trustee I think that the time has come.****
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On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 6:21 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu%40yahoo.com><; http://mc/compose?to=jwalu@yahoo.com>> wrote:****
@Wash,
Maybe Delano is insinuating something. Perhaps KICTAnet needs to re-juvinate and re-energize. Bring in new blood and thinking. What do we want from KICTAnet, 8yrs later? What management structures, membership structures, operational, financial structures do we want to see going forward?
Perhaps a brainstorming face2face session is due. I for one have been the moderator since inception and maybe someone else can do a better job and we just have not asked them to come forth. Think about it - I could have run out of ideas or some younger dot.commer <http://dot.com> may just be sitting on better ways of moderation that I have never imagined...
just my 2pings.
walu.
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I’m not sure which is which, until I see some response on whether we might just as well happen to be drifting along rudderless…!!****
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Listers, As Harry has rightly put it, Vision 2030 must be the rallying point for all these ideas, and all we need to do now is figure out how to structure a follow up mechanism around these and the role of ICT community in realizing the vision. Many of our policy makers tend to think that such forums are always there to negatively criticize them, we have to change this. The new structure should be portrayed in its “vision & mission” as a supporting and resource rich platform- one that will only enhance their policy decisions. I for one would want to see a consistence in staying the course for instance in the Outsourcing sector, there has been recent indications that this sector is nearly a lost course, I disagree! Deliberations and action plans on all these great ideas should not just be relegated to archives for PHD students as one has rightly put it. We can do it Best Regards, Edwin From: kictanet-bounces+eonchari=lynxbits.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+eonchari=lynxbits.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Joseph Mucheru Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 9:43 AM To: Edwin Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0 Harry/Gilda Et all, Following this whole discussion I can help but conclude the country have moved to a different stage in the development of the ICT sector. In the past we came together because there were major issues we needed to deal with. The face 2 face was even important to ensure we framed the issues well for the stakeholders. * We have a policy framework in place (an evolving one) * The market is competitive (call rates and internet rates are low) * We are leading in innovations in mobile money globally (mpesa) * iHub and other open community spaces are doing well - look at the mlab <http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/MLab++gets+Sh1+31+billion+financial+boost+/-/1248928/1380044/-/t1p59dz/-/index.html> Content and other funding (Billions of shillings) * John Waibochi is winning global competitions with virtual city * Cables landed - 4G and evolving * etc .... * We still have some legacy issues (Telkom and Posta) - But we know there are qualified people dealing with them amongst others Am not saying things are perfect, only that we have not identified an obvious national cross cutting issue to rally everyone around. Konza is a great but most people I have talked to are not clear how to engage (yet they do not want to be left out). May I propose an action for this list. Paint a picture of Kenya's ICT sector in 2020. By this I mean, what do we all think Kenya's ICT sector will/can look like in next 10 years. This will allow each of us to reflect of what we are doing today and how we can impact that vision of tomorrow. Thanks Joe My view is we have exhausted discussions on setting a suitable framework and what we need is to move to the next level On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 7:05 PM, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> wrote: Thanks so much Gilda. Actually, therein lies the conundrum – How to grow the forum potential that we have? How to spur on such a huge base as per Washington’s stats, to a wider participation/engagement for mutual benefit of all, the nation and beyond. Debate here on the good days can really, really be rich in content at the same time being informative & Educative. Secondly, as Edwin earlier on stated, on those good days when debate – deliberation & conclusions is at its best, we unfortunately do not have mechanisms in place to follow this through with the decision makers – effectively influencing policy. How do we address this..? It won’t just be enough to build up an archive for PhD students out of the Kictanet repositories.. Let these deliberations make a difference that can count in this country. That is Kictanet.. Harry From: Gilda Odera [mailto:godera@skyweb.co.ke] Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 5:26 PM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0 Hi Harry, I am not too sure the sisters can be any more empowered- short of force feeding really!:) Those who feel strongly about something tend to drop a line. I don't even think it is a gender issue, I am sure if you check out the subscriber base you will find that people are just keeping quiet in the background but picking a lot. How to make it more interactive? My suspicion is that many only read one thread and miss out the main thread of the debate and depending on what a subscriber has responded to, they sometimes "switch off" and do not read any more mails on that topic- in the process missing out on some interesting discussions in between. I think those who have something burning to say will say it anyway. The rest are neither here nor there in the debate so they see no need to comment nor read all the threads. Maybe on each topic the key Government agencies can be requested to always give an opinion- that may generate more participation.And the subject line would ensure it highlights " XXX's position on....".- Just wondering. Glad to read PS Murage's email to Grace- people are indeed reading Kictanet debates. . Gilda Odera ----- Original Message ----- From: Harry Delano <mailto:harry@comtelsys.co.ke> To: 'Gilda Odera' <mailto:godera@skyweb.co.ke> Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 4:38 PM Subject: RE: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0 Thanks so much Gilda/Grace for your comments. So possibly from your own observation perhaps, how can we make it more interactive and engaging, and attract more participation..? Could it be we need to make the environment a little bit more conducive/friendlier and accommodative enough? My observation is the sisters are usually too silent. How do we empower..? Secondly I do note, in its formative years Kictanet actively & professionally ( through representation) engaged a number of players on the national stage, such us the Ps, CCK, Govt Depts, to shape ICT policy. There have been positive results from those engagement sessions (kamkunji). That also seems to have faded off..? Any idea..? This is because I have this strong feeling within, that since Kictanet was formed with the express objective to engage on a multi-stakeholder platform, there has never been such a time in its history as now that we need to engage more, and do so collectively. For instance, I thought this would be a time we would be actively engaging on Konza, Cyber security, just to name a few… or..? Harry From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry <mailto:kictanet-bounces%2Bharry> =comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Gilda Odera Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 4:08 PM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0 Grace, I think it is a cultural thing here. Many people would rather write directly to you during a debate, as you say below, rather than voice their opinion openly. I am thinking Kenyans are still very shy and scared of being seen to "step on another's toes"- just in case their comment may be going against someone's opinion. Many would rather hide and comment quietly to the person next to them or the person they are close to. I imagine that is why there are still so many things that remain unchanged in the country that could be changed if people came out and voiced their opinions. But the few who write must never feel discouraged as their voices are still being heard and they are impacting on so many. It takes a few people to bring about change. My thoughts. Regards, Gilda ----- Original Message ----- From: Grace Githaiga <mailto:ggithaiga@hotmail.com> To: godera@skyweb.co.ke Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 3:36 PM Subject: RE: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0 Spot on Gilda. However, it may be useful to hear from some lurkers as to why they are not active participants of the forum (there is not so much from the sisters :)). Maybe there is something that can be done to allow for more participation? I have for example received comments off-list when I have moderated debates, and my question to those listers is that it would be nice for them to raise the very good comments here on this forum. Again, the aim is to strengthen the forum and have it continue to remain relevant. On another note, I have seen some of our discussions here quoted authoritatively on mainstream media, as well as on social media. Ben Akoh, we look forward to reading the findings of your research. Lets keep this debate live! It is very useful. Rgds GG ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you have the strength to survive, you have the power to succeed. Life is all about choices we make depending upon the situation we are in. Go forth and rule the World! _____ From: godera@skyweb.co.ke Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 14:12:58 +0300 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0 CC: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke To: ggithaiga@hotmail.com Long live Kictanet- as far as I am concerned. Listers, I think we need to remember that just like in any other forum, there are always the very few who engage in discussions while most do the listening. That is typical human behaviour, and it is therefore not odd nor is Kictanet dying because not all subscribed listers are actively participating. Personally, I am quite happy with the forum. And there has been so much to learn and listen to in the various debates- very useful. Regards, Gilda Odera ----- Original Message ----- From: Walubengo J <mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com> To: godera@skyweb.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 12:04 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0 Ben This is a powerful testimony. I do also know of a PhD student whose core dataset is the KICTAnet archives. And others who got jobs/scholarships arising from KICTAnet posts. I think these are some of the stories that we want to hear from the "horses" mouth... However, on the flip-side, I think we should also welcome the negative experiences - or challenges as it were - so that we can improve going forward. walu. nb: ave taken the liberty to tweak the subject to include KICTAnet 2.0 --- On Fri, 4/13/12, Ben Akoh <me@benakoh.com> wrote: From: Ben Akoh <me@benakoh.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...! To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Friday, April 13, 2012, 2:17 AM Hi All, My name is Ben Akoh and I am one of many lurkers on this list, and on many others. I am not Kenyan, I have visited the country several times, I will be visiting it in the next month, I love it, its people, and have very good friends there. I participated in one of the earlier public forums that helped to shape Kictanet and that fed into the numerous fiber initiatives to which you and most of us now enjoy: directly when we visit the country, and indirectly when we interact with good people like yourselves who continue to pave the way for how public consultation can shape future growth and development. My comments are along three lines: 1. The benefits of lurkers: Being a lurker is not necessary a bad thing. Some of us continue to benefit from this list and learn good practices that inform public policy in many other areas. For instance, the Kictanet model is replicated across several national discussion lists in West Africa and have been suggested as a useful model for public consultation on policy issues. Lurkers benefit through propagate the good dialogues that emanate from this group in other forums beyond yours. See this as Kenya's export to the knowledge and information economy. 2. Questioning is good: Seeking ways through which this forum would become more relevant is also not necessarily a bad thing. Questioning leads to improvement. The day that every member of this group thinks that the list has arrived (group think), is the day it begins to slowly die a death. Thus, a constant review, as someone mentioned, against Kictanet's initial objectives is a good starting point; documenting its progress over the years through careful research (as another person mentioned) is also important. But significant consideration should be given to the medium of delivery and how this is relevant to the context of the times. "The medium is the message" (Marshall McLuhan). The medium should thus respond to the demands of the time. Considerations should be given to those for whom policy is deliberated but who do not have access to deliberate in its present form. 3. Kicktanet is one of several model that works: I am currently finalizing a toolkit (ebook and wiki) of several models that have worked for generating evidence and for seeking consent of those whom policy will affect using case studies of good practice models implemented across the world. Kictanet and this discussion list is featured prominently as one of them. I hope to share the outcome of this research once it has been published. In sum, all these go to say that: 1. The list is useful to both lurkers and active members. 2. Its influence transcends Kenya and contributes to shaping policy and policy consultation beyond its borders. 3. The medium should respond to the dynamic context of communication technologies, and cater to the local context as well as the growing needs of its audience - present and future. It should therefore be shaped accordingly. My two bob. Ben A lurker. On Thu, April 12, 2012 8:59 am, Evans Ikua wrote:
Now that we have to weigh in, I think this is an important list that it serves its purposes well. If it falls silent for some time, then it means that everyone is happy, which is not a bad thing. When its active, it means that people have issues, and they have a good place and forum to air their concerns and opinion relating to the industry.
As for the lurkers, they are also good to have. As someone said, one will always speak out when their area of interest is mentioned and they have an opinion to share.
Regards, Evans
On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 4:49 PM, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke <http://mc/compose?to=harry%40comtelsys.co.ke> > wrote:
Now we talking. Please if you happen to be on this list, but presently on “read-only-mode” ( a new phrase I have learnt),****
please realize you owe it to this noble forum, started by noble people, with noble ideas at least in a way to leave some****
mark…****
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So can we ensure that this forum carries the flag up higher and make a mark in this land and beyond that we can believe ****
in. Have looked around, do not see any other forum with such broad/diverse membership.****
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Let’s keep the ideas coming in..****
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*From:* kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke%40lists.kictanet.or.ke> [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry <mailto:kictanet-bounces%2Bharry> =comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke%40lists.kictanet.or.ke> ] *On Behalf Of *Harry Hare *Sent:* Thursday, April 12, 2012 4:17 PM
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Hey all, there is a strategy document floating somewhere. I think this could be a good place to start – see what has been achieved, what fell by the way side, identify what is still relevant, plug in new ideas and strengthen the network. KICTANet should never be allowed to "kick".****
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*From: *Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com <http://mc/compose?to=blongwe%40gmail.com> > *Date: *Thu, 12 Apr 2012 15:57:45 +0300 *To: *Harry Hare <harry@africanedevelopment.org <http://mc/compose?to=harry%40africanedevelopment.org> > *Cc: *KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet%40lists.kictanet.or.ke> > *Subject: *Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...!****
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If we go back to early discussions about the multi-stakeholder network known as KICTAnet I recall there being a distinction between the mailing list participants, and those stakeholders who would actively engage in KICTAnet "activities".****
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My take is that since there have been no "activities" as such - the feeling is that KICTAnet has "kicked" to borrow a phrase from @Harry.****
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I remember there used to be monthly face-to-face meetings which followed a particular topic or theme of interest and served as an opportunity for participants from the various networks to meet within the context of the "network of networks". At the time there was program funding from donor to cover costs of those meetings, this has presumably, run out. Which leads me to ask, can we mobilise funds locally? At least for these gatherings? As they will give a greater element of traction to the organization while ensuring that it continues to remain relevant within the sector. Especially as the melting pot for policy debate.****
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On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 3:41 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu%40yahoo.com> > wrote:****
Joe,
Currently listed number is 690 members from diverse backgrounds of Media, Academia, Govt, Regulator, Telcos(fixed, mobile, wireless). But as you noted not everyone is active -80% are often in read-only mode. That is one reason I thought we needed new thinking and new approaches...
walu.
--- On *Thu, 4/12/12, Joseph Mucheru <mucheru@google.com <http://mc/compose?to=mucheru%40google.com> >* wrote:****
From: Joseph Mucheru <mucheru@google.com <http://mc/compose?to=mucheru%40google.com> >****
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...! To: jwalu@yahoo.com <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu%40yahoo.com> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet%40lists.kictanet.or.ke> >****
Date: Thursday, April 12, 2012, 2:53 PM****
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I am certainly above 35 and enjoy not only records but also the latest collaboration technologies "Google Hangouts<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QN38vHZjWXw>" I agree that we need to review our aim and strategies but we need to have a representative forum that allows for that to take place. @Brian you know many participant on this list are in read only mode.****
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@Walu/@Washington - can you give us an idea of the number of people actively subscribed to the list? Not the names but the number. This will be a good place to start. Dealing with facts and not guess work.****
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Thanks****
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On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 2:31 PM, Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com <http://mc/compose?to=solo.mburu%40gmail.com> <http://mc/compose?to=solo.mburu@gmail.com <http://mc/compose?to=solo.mburu%40gmail.com> >> wrote:****
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On 12 April 2012 14:26, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk <http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe%40yahoo.co.uk> <http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk <http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe%40yahoo.co.uk> >> wrote:****
Harry,****
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We are ageing, email is loosing is lustre and the new generation hate records and prefer platforms like twitter and facebook.****
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The responsibility for keeping the forum active remains with those over 35 year old who unfortunately are trying to fit in with the younger crowd.*** *
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uuummmmm is there a way out of this loop.^C****
I'm below 35, but enjoy keeping records, in addition to facebook and twitter ****
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*From:* Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke <http://mc/compose?to=harry%40comtelsys.co.ke> <http://mc/compose?to=harry@comtelsys.co.ke <http://mc/compose?to=harry%40comtelsys.co.ke> >
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*Cc:* 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet%40lists.kictanet.or.ke> <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet%40lists.kictanet.or.ke> >> ****
*Sent:* Thursday, 12 April 2012, 13:55****
*Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...!****
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Ara..!****
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Not many people seriously want to rejuvenate this forum, as per Brian/Walubengo’s suggestion…?****
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Cannot imagine the forum becoming a good case study one day for some thesis student. Whose research titles among others:-****
· “How-to-kill a good forum, kick it into the dustbin and leave it for the dead” ****
· “The rise and rise, and fall and fall of a myriad of many ICT forums in Kenya, the major one being….****
· “How-not-to build structural resilience and offer strategic leadership”. Why the big forum went M.I.A, and petered out..****
· And the final one perhaps, “ Do not repeat the mistakes listed above, time for a RESET..”!****
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Certainly, unless otherwise – we might be headed for such a case study. Not sure if I should patent the titles, just in case..!****
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*From:* kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke%40lists.kictanet.or.ke> <http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke%40lists.kictanet.or.ke> >[mailto: kictanet-bounces+harry <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet-bounces%2Bharry>= comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke%40lists.kictanet.or.ke> <http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke%40lists.kictanet.or.ke> >] *On Behalf Of *Brian Munyao Longwe *Sent:* Thursday, April 12, 2012 12:50 AM *To:* harry@comtelsys.co.ke <http://mc/compose?to=harry%40comtelsys.co.ke> <http://mc/compose?to=harry@comtelsys.co.ke <http://mc/compose?to=harry%40comtelsys.co.ke> > *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...!****
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I think Walu is on the right track. Every organisation for-profit or not, has to reassess it's strategy, relevance, business direction and thrust periodically or risk falling into the shadows.****
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Is it time for KICTAnet to do so?****
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As one of the founders and a trustee I think that the time has come.****
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My 2 shillings,****
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Brian****
On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 6:21 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu%40yahoo.com> <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu@yahoo.com <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu%40yahoo.com> >> wrote:****
@Wash,
Maybe Delano is insinuating something. Perhaps KICTAnet needs to re-juvinate and re-energize. Bring in new blood and thinking. What do we want from KICTAnet, 8yrs later? What management structures, membership structures, operational, financial structures do we want to see going forward?
Perhaps a brainstorming face2face session is due. I for one have been the moderator since inception and maybe someone else can do a better job and we just have not asked them to come forth. Think about it - I could have run out of ideas or some younger dot.commer <http://dot.com> may just be sitting on better ways of moderation that I have never imagined...
just my 2pings.
walu.
--- On *Wed, 4/11/12, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com <http://mc/compose?to=odhiambo%40gmail.com> <http://mc/compose?to=odhiambo@gmail.com <http://mc/compose?to=odhiambo%40gmail.com> >
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From: Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com <http://mc/compose?to=odhiambo%40gmail.com> <http://mc/compose?to=odhiambo@gmail.com <http://mc/compose?to=odhiambo%40gmail.com> >
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...! To: jwalu@yahoo.com <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu%40yahoo.com> <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu@yahoo.com <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu%40yahoo.com> > Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet%40lists.kictanet.or.ke> <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet%40lists.kictanet.or.ke> >
Date: Wednesday, April 11, 2012, 3:50 PM****
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On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 14:59, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke <http://mc/compose?to=harry%40comtelsys.co.ke> <http://mc/compose?to=harry@comtelsys.co.ke <http://mc/compose?to=harry%40comtelsys.co.ke> >> wrote:****
I’m not sure which is which, until I see some response on whether we might just as well happen to be drifting along rudderless…!!****
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You mean the post-Easter stupor, or?? ****
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I fully agree Edwin. ----- Original Message ----- From: Edwin Onchari To: godera@skyweb.co.ke Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 10:38 AM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0 Listers, As Harry has rightly put it, Vision 2030 must be the rallying point for all these ideas, and all we need to do now is figure out how to structure a follow up mechanism around these and the role of ICT community in realizing the vision. Many of our policy makers tend to think that such forums are always there to negatively criticize them, we have to change this. The new structure should be portrayed in its “vision & mission” as a supporting and resource rich platform- one that will only enhance their policy decisions. I for one would want to see a consistence in staying the course for instance in the Outsourcing sector, there has been recent indications that this sector is nearly a lost course, I disagree! Deliberations and action plans on all these great ideas should not just be relegated to archives for PHD students as one has rightly put it. We can do it Best Regards, Edwin From: kictanet-bounces+eonchari=lynxbits.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+eonchari=lynxbits.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Joseph Mucheru Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 9:43 AM To: Edwin Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0 Harry/Gilda Et all, Following this whole discussion I can help but conclude the country have moved to a different stage in the development of the ICT sector. In the past we came together because there were major issues we needed to deal with. The face 2 face was even important to ensure we framed the issues well for the stakeholders. a.. We have a policy framework in place (an evolving one) b.. The market is competitive (call rates and internet rates are low) c.. We are leading in innovations in mobile money globally (mpesa) d.. iHub and other open community spaces are doing well - look at the mlab Content and other funding (Billions of shillings) e.. John Waibochi is winning global competitions with virtual city f.. Cables landed - 4G and evolving g.. etc .... h.. We still have some legacy issues (Telkom and Posta) - But we know there are qualified people dealing with them amongst others Am not saying things are perfect, only that we have not identified an obvious national cross cutting issue to rally everyone around. Konza is a great but most people I have talked to are not clear how to engage (yet they do not want to be left out). May I propose an action for this list. Paint a picture of Kenya's ICT sector in 2020. By this I mean, what do we all think Kenya's ICT sector will/can look like in next 10 years. This will allow each of us to reflect of what we are doing today and how we can impact that vision of tomorrow. Thanks Joe My view is we have exhausted discussions on setting a suitable framework and what we need is to move to the next level On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 7:05 PM, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> wrote: Thanks so much Gilda. Actually, therein lies the conundrum – How to grow the forum potential that we have? How to spur on such a huge base as per Washington’s stats, to a wider participation/engagement for mutual benefit of all, the nation and beyond. Debate here on the good days can really, really be rich in content at the same time being informative & Educative. Secondly, as Edwin earlier on stated, on those good days when debate – deliberation & conclusions is at its best, we unfortunately do not have mechanisms in place to follow this through with the decision makers – effectively influencing policy. How do we address this..? It won’t just be enough to build up an archive for PhD students out of the Kictanet repositories.. Let these deliberations make a difference that can count in this country. That is Kictanet.. Harry From: Gilda Odera [mailto:godera@skyweb.co.ke] Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 5:26 PM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0 Hi Harry, I am not too sure the sisters can be any more empowered- short of force feeding really!:) Those who feel strongly about something tend to drop a line. I don't even think it is a gender issue, I am sure if you check out the subscriber base you will find that people are just keeping quiet in the background but picking a lot. How to make it more interactive? My suspicion is that many only read one thread and miss out the main thread of the debate and depending on what a subscriber has responded to, they sometimes "switch off" and do not read any more mails on that topic- in the process missing out on some interesting discussions in between. I think those who have something burning to say will say it anyway. The rest are neither here nor there in the debate so they see no need to comment nor read all the threads. Maybe on each topic the key Government agencies can be requested to always give an opinion- that may generate more participation.And the subject line would ensure it highlights " XXX's position on....".- Just wondering. Glad to read PS Murage's email to Grace- people are indeed reading Kictanet debates. . Gilda Odera ----- Original Message ----- From: Harry Delano To: 'Gilda Odera' Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 4:38 PM Subject: RE: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0 Thanks so much Gilda/Grace for your comments. So possibly from your own observation perhaps, how can we make it more interactive and engaging, and attract more participation..? Could it be we need to make the environment a little bit more conducive/friendlier and accommodative enough? My observation is the sisters are usually too silent. How do we empower..? Secondly I do note, in its formative years Kictanet actively & professionally ( through representation) engaged a number of players on the national stage, such us the Ps, CCK, Govt Depts, to shape ICT policy. There have been positive results from those engagement sessions (kamkunji). That also seems to have faded off..? Any idea..? This is because I have this strong feeling within, that since Kictanet was formed with the express objective to engage on a multi-stakeholder platform, there has never been such a time in its history as now that we need to engage more, and do so collectively. For instance, I thought this would be a time we would be actively engaging on Konza, Cyber security, just to name a few… or..? Harry From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Gilda Odera Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 4:08 PM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0 Grace, I think it is a cultural thing here. Many people would rather write directly to you during a debate, as you say below, rather than voice their opinion openly. I am thinking Kenyans are still very shy and scared of being seen to "step on another's toes"- just in case their comment may be going against someone's opinion. Many would rather hide and comment quietly to the person next to them or the person they are close to. I imagine that is why there are still so many things that remain unchanged in the country that could be changed if people came out and voiced their opinions. But the few who write must never feel discouraged as their voices are still being heard and they are impacting on so many. It takes a few people to bring about change. My thoughts. Regards, Gilda ----- Original Message ----- From: Grace Githaiga To: godera@skyweb.co.ke Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 3:36 PM Subject: RE: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0 Spot on Gilda. However, it may be useful to hear from some lurkers as to why they are not active participants of the forum (there is not so much from the sisters :)). Maybe there is something that can be done to allow for more participation? I have for example received comments off-list when I have moderated debates, and my question to those listers is that it would be nice for them to raise the very good comments here on this forum. Again, the aim is to strengthen the forum and have it continue to remain relevant. On another note, I have seen some of our discussions here quoted authoritatively on mainstream media, as well as on social media. Ben Akoh, we look forward to reading the findings of your research. Lets keep this debate live! It is very useful. Rgds GG ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you have the strength to survive, you have the power to succeed. Life is all about choices we make depending upon the situation we are in. Go forth and rule the World! -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: godera@skyweb.co.ke Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 14:12:58 +0300 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0 CC: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke To: ggithaiga@hotmail.com Long live Kictanet- as far as I am concerned. Listers, I think we need to remember that just like in any other forum, there are always the very few who engage in discussions while most do the listening. That is typical human behaviour, and it is therefore not odd nor is Kictanet dying because not all subscribed listers are actively participating. Personally, I am quite happy with the forum. And there has been so much to learn and listen to in the various debates- very useful. Regards, Gilda Odera ----- Original Message ----- From: Walubengo J To: godera@skyweb.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 12:04 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0 Ben This is a powerful testimony. I do also know of a PhD student whose core dataset is the KICTAnet archives. And others who got jobs/scholarships arising from KICTAnet posts. I think these are some of the stories that we want to hear from the "horses" mouth... However, on the flip-side, I think we should also welcome the negative experiences - or challenges as it were - so that we can improve going forward. walu. nb: ave taken the liberty to tweak the subject to include KICTAnet 2.0 --- On Fri, 4/13/12, Ben Akoh <me@benakoh.com> wrote: From: Ben Akoh <me@benakoh.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...! To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Friday, April 13, 2012, 2:17 AM Hi All, My name is Ben Akoh and I am one of many lurkers on this list, and on many others. I am not Kenyan, I have visited the country several times, I will be visiting it in the next month, I love it, its people, and have very good friends there. I participated in one of the earlier public forums that helped to shape Kictanet and that fed into the numerous fiber initiatives to which you and most of us now enjoy: directly when we visit the country, and indirectly when we interact with good people like yourselves who continue to pave the way for how public consultation can shape future growth and development. My comments are along three lines: 1. The benefits of lurkers: Being a lurker is not necessary a bad thing. Some of us continue to benefit from this list and learn good practices that inform public policy in many other areas. For instance, the Kictanet model is replicated across several national discussion lists in West Africa and have been suggested as a useful model for public consultation on policy issues. Lurkers benefit through propagate the good dialogues that emanate from this group in other forums beyond yours. See this as Kenya's export to the knowledge and information economy. 2. Questioning is good: Seeking ways through which this forum would become more relevant is also not necessarily a bad thing. Questioning leads to improvement. The day that every member of this group thinks that the list has arrived (group think), is the day it begins to slowly die a death. Thus, a constant review, as someone mentioned, against Kictanet's initial objectives is a good starting point; documenting its progress over the years through careful research (as another person mentioned) is also important. But significant consideration should be given to the medium of delivery and how this is relevant to the context of the times. "The medium is the message" (Marshall McLuhan). The medium should thus respond to the demands of the time. Considerations should be given to those for whom policy is deliberated but who do not have access to deliberate in its present form. 3. Kicktanet is one of several model that works: I am currently finalizing a toolkit (ebook and wiki) of several models that have worked for generating evidence and for seeking consent of those whom policy will affect using case studies of good practice models implemented across the world. Kictanet and this discussion list is featured prominently as one of them. I hope to share the outcome of this research once it has been published. In sum, all these go to say that: 1. The list is useful to both lurkers and active members. 2. Its influence transcends Kenya and contributes to shaping policy and policy consultation beyond its borders. 3. The medium should respond to the dynamic context of communication technologies, and cater to the local context as well as the growing needs of its audience - present and future. It should therefore be shaped accordingly. My two bob. Ben A lurker. On Thu, April 12, 2012 8:59 am, Evans Ikua wrote: > Now that we have to weigh in, I think this is an important list that it > serves its purposes well. If it falls silent for some time, then it means > that everyone is happy, which is not a bad thing. When its active, it > means > that people have issues, and they have a good place and forum to air their > concerns and opinion relating to the industry. > > As for the lurkers, they are also good to have. As someone said, one will > always speak out when their area of interest is mentioned and they have an > opinion to share. > > Regards, > Evans > > On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 4:49 PM, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> > wrote: > >> Now we talking. Please if you happen to be on this list, but presently >> on >> “read-only-mode” ( a new phrase I have learnt),**** >> >> please realize you owe it to this noble forum, started by noble people, >> with noble ideas at least in a way to leave some**** >> >> mark…**** >> >> ** ** >> >> So can we ensure that this forum carries the flag up higher and make a >> mark in this land and beyond that we can believe **** >> >> in. Have looked around, do not see any other forum with such >> broad/diverse >> membership.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Let’s keep the ideas coming in..**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Harry**** >> >> ** ** >> >> *From:* kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke >> [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] *On >> Behalf Of *Harry Hare >> *Sent:* Thursday, April 12, 2012 4:17 PM >> >> *To:* harry@comtelsys.co.ke >> *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions >> *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the >> dustbin...!**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Hey all, there is a strategy document floating somewhere. I think this >> could be a good place to start – see what has been achieved, what fell >> by >> the way side, identify what is still relevant, plug in new ideas and >> strengthen the network. KICTANet should never be allowed to "kick".**** >> >> **** >> >> Harry Hare**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Director**** >> >> African eDevelopment Resource Centre**** >> >> PO Box 49475 00100**** >> >> Nairobi, Kenya**** >> >> Tel +254 20 4041646**** >> >> Cel +254 725 650044**** >> >> ** ** >> >> ** ** >> >> *From: *Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com> >> *Date: *Thu, 12 Apr 2012 15:57:45 +0300 >> *To: *Harry Hare <harry@africanedevelopment.org> >> *Cc: *KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> >> *Subject: *Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the >> dustbin...!**** >> >> ** ** >> >> If we go back to early discussions about the multi-stakeholder network >> known as KICTAnet I recall there being a distinction between the mailing >> list participants, and those stakeholders who would actively engage in >> KICTAnet "activities".**** >> >> ** ** >> >> My take is that since there have been no "activities" as such - the >> feeling is that KICTAnet has "kicked" to borrow a phrase from >> @Harry.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> I remember there used to be monthly face-to-face meetings which followed >> a >> particular topic or theme of interest and served as an opportunity for >> participants from the various networks to meet within the context of the >> "network of networks". At the time there was program funding from donor >> to >> cover costs of those meetings, this has presumably, run out. Which leads >> me >> to ask, can we mobilise funds locally? At least for these gatherings? As >> they will give a greater element of traction to the organization while >> ensuring that it continues to remain relevant within the sector. >> Especially >> as the melting pot for policy debate.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Best regards,**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Brian**** >> >> ** ** >> >> On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 3:41 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> >> wrote:**** >> >> Joe, >> >> Currently listed number is 690 members from diverse backgrounds of >> Media, >> Academia, Govt, Regulator, Telcos(fixed, mobile, wireless). But as you >> noted not everyone is active -80% are often in read-only mode. That is >> one >> reason I thought we needed new thinking and new approaches... >> >> walu. >> >> --- On *Thu, 4/12/12, Joseph Mucheru <mucheru@google.com>* wrote:**** >> >> >> From: Joseph Mucheru <mucheru@google.com>**** >> >> >> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the >> dustbin...! >> To: jwalu@yahoo.com >> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" >> <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>**** >> >> Date: Thursday, April 12, 2012, 2:53 PM**** >> >> ** ** >> >> I am certainly above 35 and enjoy not only records but also the latest >> collaboration technologies "Google >> Hangouts<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QN38vHZjWXw>" >> I agree that we need to review our aim and strategies but we need to >> have a >> representative forum that allows for that to take place. @Brian you know >> many participant on this list are in read only mode.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> @Walu/@Washington - can you give us an idea of the number of people >> actively subscribed to the list? Not the names but the number. This will >> be >> a good place to start. Dealing with facts and not guess work.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Thanks**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Joe**** >> >> ** ** >> >> On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 2:31 PM, Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau >> <solo.mburu@gmail.com<http://mc/compose?to=solo.mburu@gmail.com>> >> wrote:**** >> >> ** ** >> >> On 12 April 2012 14:26, robert yawe >> <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk<http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk>> >> wrote:**** >> >> Harry,**** >> >> ** ** >> >> We are ageing, email is loosing is lustre and the new generation hate >> records and prefer platforms like twitter and facebook.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> The responsibility for keeping the forum active remains with those over >> 35 >> year old who unfortunately are trying to fit in with the younger >> crowd.*** >> * >> >> ** ** >> >> uuummmmm is there a way out of this loop.^C**** >> >> >> I'm below 35, but enjoy keeping records, in addition to facebook and >> twitter >> **** >> >> ** ** >> >> Regards **** >> >> **** >> >> Robert Yawe >> KAY System Technologies Ltd >> Phoenix House, 6th Floor >> P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 >> Kenya**** >> >> Tel: +254722511225 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting +254722511225 end_of_the_skype_highlighting, +254202010696 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting +254202010696 end_of_the_skype_highlighting**** >> ------------------------------ >> >> *From:* Harry Delano >> <harry@comtelsys.co.ke<http://mc/compose?to=harry@comtelsys.co.ke> >> > >> *To:* robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk >> <http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> >> **** >> >> *Cc:* 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' >> <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/compose?to=kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>> >> **** >> >> *Sent:* Thursday, 12 April 2012, 13:55**** >> >> >> *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the >> dustbin...!**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Ara..!**** >> >> **** >> >> Not many people seriously want to rejuvenate this forum, as per >> Brian/Walubengo’s suggestion…?**** >> >> **** >> >> Cannot imagine the forum becoming a good case study one day for some >> thesis student. Whose research titles among others:-**** >> >> · “How-to-kill a good forum, kick it into the dustbin and >> leave >> it for the dead” **** >> >> · “The rise and rise, and fall and fall of a myriad of many >> ICT >> forums in Kenya, the major one being….**** >> >> · “How-not-to build structural resilience and offer strategic >> leadership”. Why the big forum went M.I.A, and petered out..**** >> >> · And the final one perhaps, “ Do not repeat the mistakes >> listed >> above, time for a RESET..”!**** >> >> **** >> >> Certainly, unless otherwise – we might be headed for such a case >> study. >> Not sure if I should patent the titles, just in case..!**** >> >> **** >> >> Harry**** >> >> **** >> >> **** >> >> *From:* >> kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke>[mailto: >> kictanet-bounces+harry <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet-bounces%2Bharry>= >> comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke>] >> *On Behalf Of *Brian Munyao Longwe >> *Sent:* Thursday, April 12, 2012 12:50 AM >> *To:* harry@comtelsys.co.ke <http://mc/compose?to=harry@comtelsys.co.ke> >> *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions >> *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the >> dustbin...!**** >> >> **** >> >> I think Walu is on the right track. Every organisation for-profit or >> not, >> has to reassess it's strategy, relevance, business direction and thrust >> periodically or risk falling into the shadows.**** >> >> **** >> >> Is it time for KICTAnet to do so?**** >> >> **** >> >> As one of the founders and a trustee I think that the time has come.**** >> >> **** >> >> My 2 shillings,**** >> >> **** >> >> Brian**** >> >> On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 6:21 PM, Walubengo J >> <jwalu@yahoo.com<http://mc/compose?to=jwalu@yahoo.com>> >> wrote:**** >> >> @Wash, >> >> Maybe Delano is insinuating something. Perhaps KICTAnet needs to >> re-juvinate >> and re-energize. Bring in new blood and thinking. What do we want from >> KICTAnet, 8yrs later? What management structures, membership structures, >> operational, financial structures do we want to see going forward? >> >> Perhaps a brainstorming face2face session is due. I for one have been >> the >> moderator since inception and maybe someone else can do a better job and >> we >> just have not asked them to come forth. Think about it - I could have >> run >> out of ideas or some younger dot.commer <http://dot.com> may just be >> sitting on better ways of moderation that I have never imagined... >> >> just my 2pings. >> >> walu. >> >> --- On *Wed, 4/11/12, Odhiambo Washington >> <odhiambo@gmail.com<http://mc/compose?to=odhiambo@gmail.com> >> >* wrote:**** >> >> >> From: Odhiambo Washington >> <odhiambo@gmail.com<http://mc/compose?to=odhiambo@gmail.com> >> > >> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the >> dustbin...! >> To: jwalu@yahoo.com <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu@yahoo.com> >> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" >> <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/compose?to=kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> >> > >> Date: Wednesday, April 11, 2012, 3:50 PM**** >> >> **** >> >> **** >> >> On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 14:59, Harry Delano >> <harry@comtelsys.co.ke<http://mc/compose?to=harry@comtelsys.co.ke>> >> wrote:**** >> >> I’m not sure which is which, until I see some response on whether we >> might >> just as well happen to be drifting along rudderless…!!**** >> >> **** >> >> >> You mean the post-Easter stupor, or?? >> **** >> >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> Odhiambo WASHINGTON, >> Nairobi,KE >> +254733744121/+254722743223 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting +254722743223 end_of_the_skype_highlighting >> _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ >> I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler. >> [image: cid:image001.png@01CD18CB.53049790]Please consider the >> environment before printing this email. **** >> >> **** >> >> -----Inline Attachment Follows-----**** >> >> _______________________________________________ >> kictanet mailing list >> kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/compose?to=kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> >> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >> >> Unsubscribe or change your options at >> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/jwalu%40yahoo.com >> >> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform >> for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and >> regulation. 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Thanks a lot Joseph for this, and especially for breaking down the milestone achievements we have witnessed to date.. So I therefore suppose – other ideas welcome, that Kictanet can adapt itself to these major changes in time especially since they directly relate to ICT. Most notably, Kictanet can play a significant role in highlighting these achievements and developments across the national landscape given that their impact currently only seems to favor or be felt in the Capital.. What am envisioning is, since most of these major developments in the field of Telecommunications, general ICT etc have transformed our lives to make communication for instance much easier and more affordable, how can this forum leverage such technologies as a point of convergence to interact more and influence policy development from the comfort of our seats and even perhaps homes, etc without the inconvenience and expense of the face-to-face. For instance the Virtual town halls – like google ‘hangouts’ among others? Like we can deploy a google hangout in the PS’s office ( Since he is accessible interactively), when a major national policy issue is on debate, and engage him and make input. Or the Director or vision 2030, among others.. On the rallying points, I think at the moment we still have plenty. Just the other day we saw a National Firewall, we have Konza,we have Vision 2030, and there’s one issue we as a forum haven’t yet given much attention - bridging the digital divide, especially on inter-connectivity. I suppose also ICT rollout in schools needs urgent attention now to go hand in hand especially with vision 2030. On all scores honestly I feel if Kictanet is the major ICT forum in this country, we are sorely missing in action.. How do we repackage..? And do it at full speed..? Harry From: Joseph Mucheru [mailto:mucheru@google.com] Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 9:43 AM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0 Harry/Gilda Et all, Following this whole discussion I can help but conclude the country have moved to a different stage in the development of the ICT sector. In the past we came together because there were major issues we needed to deal with. The face 2 face was even important to ensure we framed the issues well for the stakeholders. * We have a policy framework in place (an evolving one) * The market is competitive (call rates and internet rates are low) * We are leading in innovations in mobile money globally (mpesa) * iHub and other open community spaces are doing well - look at the mlab <http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/MLab++gets+Sh1+31+billion+financial+boost+/-/1248928/1380044/-/t1p59dz/-/index.html> Content and other funding (Billions of shillings) * John Waibochi is winning global competitions with virtual city * Cables landed - 4G and evolving * etc .... * We still have some legacy issues (Telkom and Posta) - But we know there are qualified people dealing with them amongst others Am not saying things are perfect, only that we have not identified an obvious national cross cutting issue to rally everyone around. Konza is a great but most people I have talked to are not clear how to engage (yet they do not want to be left out). May I propose an action for this list. Paint a picture of Kenya's ICT sector in 2020. By this I mean, what do we all think Kenya's ICT sector will/can look like in next 10 years. This will allow each of us to reflect of what we are doing today and how we can impact that vision of tomorrow. Thanks Joe My view is we have exhausted discussions on setting a suitable framework and what we need is to move to the next level On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 7:05 PM, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> wrote: Thanks so much Gilda. Actually, therein lies the conundrum – How to grow the forum potential that we have? How to spur on such a huge base as per Washington’s stats, to a wider participation/engagement for mutual benefit of all, the nation and beyond. Debate here on the good days can really, really be rich in content at the same time being informative & Educative. Secondly, as Edwin earlier on stated, on those good days when debate – deliberation & conclusions is at its best, we unfortunately do not have mechanisms in place to follow this through with the decision makers – effectively influencing policy. How do we address this..? It won’t just be enough to build up an archive for PhD students out of the Kictanet repositories.. Let these deliberations make a difference that can count in this country. That is Kictanet.. Harry From: Gilda Odera [mailto:godera@skyweb.co.ke] Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 5:26 PM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0 Hi Harry, I am not too sure the sisters can be any more empowered- short of force feeding really!:) Those who feel strongly about something tend to drop a line. I don't even think it is a gender issue, I am sure if you check out the subscriber base you will find that people are just keeping quiet in the background but picking a lot. How to make it more interactive? My suspicion is that many only read one thread and miss out the main thread of the debate and depending on what a subscriber has responded to, they sometimes "switch off" and do not read any more mails on that topic- in the process missing out on some interesting discussions in between. I think those who have something burning to say will say it anyway. The rest are neither here nor there in the debate so they see no need to comment nor read all the threads. Maybe on each topic the key Government agencies can be requested to always give an opinion- that may generate more participation.And the subject line would ensure it highlights " XXX's position on....".- Just wondering. Glad to read PS Murage's email to Grace- people are indeed reading Kictanet debates. . Gilda Odera ----- Original Message ----- From: Harry Delano <mailto:harry@comtelsys.co.ke> To: 'Gilda Odera' <mailto:godera@skyweb.co.ke> Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 4:38 PM Subject: RE: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0 Thanks so much Gilda/Grace for your comments. So possibly from your own observation perhaps, how can we make it more interactive and engaging, and attract more participation..? Could it be we need to make the environment a little bit more conducive/friendlier and accommodative enough? My observation is the sisters are usually too silent. How do we empower..? Secondly I do note, in its formative years Kictanet actively & professionally ( through representation) engaged a number of players on the national stage, such us the Ps, CCK, Govt Depts, to shape ICT policy. There have been positive results from those engagement sessions (kamkunji). That also seems to have faded off..? Any idea..? This is because I have this strong feeling within, that since Kictanet was formed with the express objective to engage on a multi-stakeholder platform, there has never been such a time in its history as now that we need to engage more, and do so collectively. For instance, I thought this would be a time we would be actively engaging on Konza, Cyber security, just to name a few… or..? Harry From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry <mailto:kictanet-bounces%2Bharry> =comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Gilda Odera Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 4:08 PM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0 Grace, I think it is a cultural thing here. Many people would rather write directly to you during a debate, as you say below, rather than voice their opinion openly. I am thinking Kenyans are still very shy and scared of being seen to "step on another's toes"- just in case their comment may be going against someone's opinion. Many would rather hide and comment quietly to the person next to them or the person they are close to. I imagine that is why there are still so many things that remain unchanged in the country that could be changed if people came out and voiced their opinions. But the few who write must never feel discouraged as their voices are still being heard and they are impacting on so many. It takes a few people to bring about change. My thoughts. Regards, Gilda ----- Original Message ----- From: Grace Githaiga <mailto:ggithaiga@hotmail.com> To: godera@skyweb.co.ke Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 3:36 PM Subject: RE: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0 Spot on Gilda. However, it may be useful to hear from some lurkers as to why they are not active participants of the forum (there is not so much from the sisters :)). Maybe there is something that can be done to allow for more participation? I have for example received comments off-list when I have moderated debates, and my question to those listers is that it would be nice for them to raise the very good comments here on this forum. Again, the aim is to strengthen the forum and have it continue to remain relevant. On another note, I have seen some of our discussions here quoted authoritatively on mainstream media, as well as on social media. Ben Akoh, we look forward to reading the findings of your research. Lets keep this debate live! It is very useful. Rgds GG ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you have the strength to survive, you have the power to succeed. Life is all about choices we make depending upon the situation we are in. Go forth and rule the World! _____ From: godera@skyweb.co.ke Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 14:12:58 +0300 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0 CC: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke To: ggithaiga@hotmail.com Long live Kictanet- as far as I am concerned. Listers, I think we need to remember that just like in any other forum, there are always the very few who engage in discussions while most do the listening. That is typical human behaviour, and it is therefore not odd nor is Kictanet dying because not all subscribed listers are actively participating. Personally, I am quite happy with the forum. And there has been so much to learn and listen to in the various debates- very useful. Regards, Gilda Odera ----- Original Message ----- From: Walubengo J <mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com> To: godera@skyweb.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 12:04 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0 Ben This is a powerful testimony. I do also know of a PhD student whose core dataset is the KICTAnet archives. And others who got jobs/scholarships arising from KICTAnet posts. I think these are some of the stories that we want to hear from the "horses" mouth... However, on the flip-side, I think we should also welcome the negative experiences - or challenges as it were - so that we can improve going forward. walu. nb: ave taken the liberty to tweak the subject to include KICTAnet 2.0 --- On Fri, 4/13/12, Ben Akoh <me@benakoh.com> wrote: From: Ben Akoh <me@benakoh.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...! To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Friday, April 13, 2012, 2:17 AM Hi All, My name is Ben Akoh and I am one of many lurkers on this list, and on many others. I am not Kenyan, I have visited the country several times, I will be visiting it in the next month, I love it, its people, and have very good friends there. I participated in one of the earlier public forums that helped to shape Kictanet and that fed into the numerous fiber initiatives to which you and most of us now enjoy: directly when we visit the country, and indirectly when we interact with good people like yourselves who continue to pave the way for how public consultation can shape future growth and development. My comments are along three lines: 1. The benefits of lurkers: Being a lurker is not necessary a bad thing. Some of us continue to benefit from this list and learn good practices that inform public policy in many other areas. For instance, the Kictanet model is replicated across several national discussion lists in West Africa and have been suggested as a useful model for public consultation on policy issues. Lurkers benefit through propagate the good dialogues that emanate from this group in other forums beyond yours. See this as Kenya's export to the knowledge and information economy. 2. Questioning is good: Seeking ways through which this forum would become more relevant is also not necessarily a bad thing. Questioning leads to improvement. The day that every member of this group thinks that the list has arrived (group think), is the day it begins to slowly die a death. Thus, a constant review, as someone mentioned, against Kictanet's initial objectives is a good starting point; documenting its progress over the years through careful research (as another person mentioned) is also important. But significant consideration should be given to the medium of delivery and how this is relevant to the context of the times. "The medium is the message" (Marshall McLuhan). The medium should thus respond to the demands of the time. Considerations should be given to those for whom policy is deliberated but who do not have access to deliberate in its present form. 3. Kicktanet is one of several model that works: I am currently finalizing a toolkit (ebook and wiki) of several models that have worked for generating evidence and for seeking consent of those whom policy will affect using case studies of good practice models implemented across the world. Kictanet and this discussion list is featured prominently as one of them. I hope to share the outcome of this research once it has been published. In sum, all these go to say that: 1. The list is useful to both lurkers and active members. 2. Its influence transcends Kenya and contributes to shaping policy and policy consultation beyond its borders. 3. The medium should respond to the dynamic context of communication technologies, and cater to the local context as well as the growing needs of its audience - present and future. It should therefore be shaped accordingly. My two bob. Ben A lurker. On Thu, April 12, 2012 8:59 am, Evans Ikua wrote:
Now that we have to weigh in, I think this is an important list that it serves its purposes well. If it falls silent for some time, then it means that everyone is happy, which is not a bad thing. When its active, it means that people have issues, and they have a good place and forum to air their concerns and opinion relating to the industry.
As for the lurkers, they are also good to have. As someone said, one will always speak out when their area of interest is mentioned and they have an opinion to share.
Regards, Evans
On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 4:49 PM, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke <http://mc/compose?to=harry%40comtelsys.co.ke> > wrote:
Now we talking. Please if you happen to be on this list, but presently on “read-only-mode” ( a new phrase I have learnt),****
please realize you owe it to this noble forum, started by noble people, with noble ideas at least in a way to leave some****
mark…****
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So can we ensure that this forum carries the flag up higher and make a mark in this land and beyond that we can believe ****
in. Have looked around, do not see any other forum with such broad/diverse membership.****
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Let’s keep the ideas coming in..****
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*From:* kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke%40lists.kictanet.or.ke> [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry <mailto:kictanet-bounces%2Bharry> =comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke%40lists.kictanet.or.ke> ] *On Behalf Of *Harry Hare *Sent:* Thursday, April 12, 2012 4:17 PM
*To:* harry@comtelsys.co.ke <http://mc/compose?to=harry%40comtelsys.co.ke> *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...!****
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Hey all, there is a strategy document floating somewhere. I think this could be a good place to start – see what has been achieved, what fell by the way side, identify what is still relevant, plug in new ideas and strengthen the network. KICTANet should never be allowed to "kick".****
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*From: *Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com <http://mc/compose?to=blongwe%40gmail.com> > *Date: *Thu, 12 Apr 2012 15:57:45 +0300 *To: *Harry Hare <harry@africanedevelopment.org <http://mc/compose?to=harry%40africanedevelopment.org> > *Cc: *KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet%40lists.kictanet.or.ke> > *Subject: *Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...!****
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If we go back to early discussions about the multi-stakeholder network known as KICTAnet I recall there being a distinction between the mailing list participants, and those stakeholders who would actively engage in KICTAnet "activities".****
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My take is that since there have been no "activities" as such - the feeling is that KICTAnet has "kicked" to borrow a phrase from @Harry.****
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I remember there used to be monthly face-to-face meetings which followed a particular topic or theme of interest and served as an opportunity for participants from the various networks to meet within the context of the "network of networks". At the time there was program funding from donor to cover costs of those meetings, this has presumably, run out. Which leads me to ask, can we mobilise funds locally? At least for these gatherings? As they will give a greater element of traction to the organization while ensuring that it continues to remain relevant within the sector. Especially as the melting pot for policy debate.****
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On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 3:41 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu%40yahoo.com> > wrote:****
Joe,
Currently listed number is 690 members from diverse backgrounds of Media, Academia, Govt, Regulator, Telcos(fixed, mobile, wireless). But as you noted not everyone is active -80% are often in read-only mode. That is one reason I thought we needed new thinking and new approaches...
walu.
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From: Joseph Mucheru <mucheru@google.com <http://mc/compose?to=mucheru%40google.com> >****
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...! To: jwalu@yahoo.com <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu%40yahoo.com> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet%40lists.kictanet.or.ke> >****
Date: Thursday, April 12, 2012, 2:53 PM****
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I am certainly above 35 and enjoy not only records but also the latest collaboration technologies "Google Hangouts<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QN38vHZjWXw>" I agree that we need to review our aim and strategies but we need to have a representative forum that allows for that to take place. @Brian you know many participant on this list are in read only mode.****
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@Walu/@Washington - can you give us an idea of the number of people actively subscribed to the list? Not the names but the number. This will be a good place to start. Dealing with facts and not guess work.****
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On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 2:31 PM, Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com <http://mc/compose?to=solo.mburu%40gmail.com> <http://mc/compose?to=solo.mburu@gmail.com <http://mc/compose?to=solo.mburu%40gmail.com> >> wrote:****
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On 12 April 2012 14:26, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk <http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe%40yahoo.co.uk> <http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk <http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe%40yahoo.co.uk> >> wrote:****
Harry,****
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We are ageing, email is loosing is lustre and the new generation hate records and prefer platforms like twitter and facebook.****
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The responsibility for keeping the forum active remains with those over 35 year old who unfortunately are trying to fit in with the younger crowd.*** *
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uuummmmm is there a way out of this loop.^C****
I'm below 35, but enjoy keeping records, in addition to facebook and twitter ****
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*From:* Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke <http://mc/compose?to=harry%40comtelsys.co.ke> <http://mc/compose?to=harry@comtelsys.co.ke <http://mc/compose?to=harry%40comtelsys.co.ke> >
*To:* robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk <http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe%40yahoo.co.uk> <http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk <http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe%40yahoo.co.uk> > ****
*Cc:* 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet%40lists.kictanet.or.ke> <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet%40lists.kictanet.or.ke> >> ****
*Sent:* Thursday, 12 April 2012, 13:55****
*Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...!****
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Ara..!****
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Not many people seriously want to rejuvenate this forum, as per Brian/Walubengo’s suggestion…?****
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Cannot imagine the forum becoming a good case study one day for some thesis student. Whose research titles among others:-****
· “How-to-kill a good forum, kick it into the dustbin and leave it for the dead” ****
· “The rise and rise, and fall and fall of a myriad of many ICT forums in Kenya, the major one being….****
· “How-not-to build structural resilience and offer strategic leadership”. Why the big forum went M.I.A, and petered out..****
· And the final one perhaps, “ Do not repeat the mistakes listed above, time for a RESET..”!****
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Certainly, unless otherwise – we might be headed for such a case study. Not sure if I should patent the titles, just in case..!****
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*From:* kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke%40lists.kictanet.or.ke> <http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke%40lists.kictanet.or.ke> >[mailto: kictanet-bounces+harry <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet-bounces%2Bharry>= comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke%40lists.kictanet.or.ke> <http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke%40lists.kictanet.or.ke> >] *On Behalf Of *Brian Munyao Longwe *Sent:* Thursday, April 12, 2012 12:50 AM *To:* harry@comtelsys.co.ke <http://mc/compose?to=harry%40comtelsys.co.ke> <http://mc/compose?to=harry@comtelsys.co.ke <http://mc/compose?to=harry%40comtelsys.co.ke> > *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...!****
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I think Walu is on the right track. Every organisation for-profit or not, has to reassess it's strategy, relevance, business direction and thrust periodically or risk falling into the shadows.****
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Is it time for KICTAnet to do so?****
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As one of the founders and a trustee I think that the time has come.****
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My 2 shillings,****
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On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 6:21 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu%40yahoo.com> <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu@yahoo.com <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu%40yahoo.com> >> wrote:****
@Wash,
Maybe Delano is insinuating something. Perhaps KICTAnet needs to re-juvinate and re-energize. Bring in new blood and thinking. What do we want from KICTAnet, 8yrs later? What management structures, membership structures, operational, financial structures do we want to see going forward?
Perhaps a brainstorming face2face session is due. I for one have been the moderator since inception and maybe someone else can do a better job and we just have not asked them to come forth. Think about it - I could have run out of ideas or some younger dot.commer <http://dot.com> may just be sitting on better ways of moderation that I have never imagined...
just my 2pings.
walu.
--- On *Wed, 4/11/12, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com <http://mc/compose?to=odhiambo%40gmail.com> <http://mc/compose?to=odhiambo@gmail.com <http://mc/compose?to=odhiambo%40gmail.com> >
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From: Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com <http://mc/compose?to=odhiambo%40gmail.com> <http://mc/compose?to=odhiambo@gmail.com <http://mc/compose?to=odhiambo%40gmail.com> >
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...! To: jwalu@yahoo.com <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu%40yahoo.com> <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu@yahoo.com <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu%40yahoo.com> > Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet%40lists.kictanet.or.ke> <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet%40lists.kictanet.or.ke> >
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On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 14:59, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke <http://mc/compose?to=harry%40comtelsys.co.ke> <http://mc/compose?to=harry@comtelsys.co.ke <http://mc/compose?to=harry%40comtelsys.co.ke> >> wrote:****
I’m not sure which is which, until I see some response on whether we might just as well happen to be drifting along rudderless…!!****
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Joe, I like your suggestion. I agree- let us look at the next 10 years, review where we are, evaluate any shortfalls and come up with possible suggestions. We have evolved but we could be further. As Brian mentioned, this can be taken to the higher level once determined.I'd like to see more than 10 companies winning global competitions (why not?), lower Internet rates with greater speeds, many more innovations (because we have what it takes). My take is that we can do much more- let us up our game. Walu, ball in your court, let us get this going. Kind regards, Gilda ----- Original Message ----- From: Joseph Mucheru To: godera@skyweb.co.ke Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 9:42 AM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0 Harry/Gilda Et all, Following this whole discussion I can help but conclude the country have moved to a different stage in the development of the ICT sector. In the past we came together because there were major issues we needed to deal with. The face 2 face was even important to ensure we framed the issues well for the stakeholders. a.. We have a policy framework in place (an evolving one) b.. The market is competitive (call rates and internet rates are low) c.. We are leading in innovations in mobile money globally (mpesa) d.. iHub and other open community spaces are doing well - look at the mlab Content and other funding (Billions of shillings) e.. John Waibochi is winning global competitions with virtual city f.. Cables landed - 4G and evolving g.. etc .... h.. We still have some legacy issues (Telkom and Posta) - But we know there are qualified people dealing with them amongst others Am not saying things are perfect, only that we have not identified an obvious national cross cutting issue to rally everyone around. Konza is a great but most people I have talked to are not clear how to engage (yet they do not want to be left out). May I propose an action for this list. Paint a picture of Kenya's ICT sector in 2020. By this I mean, what do we all think Kenya's ICT sector will/can look like in next 10 years. This will allow each of us to reflect of what we are doing today and how we can impact that vision of tomorrow. Thanks Joe My view is we have exhausted discussions on setting a suitable framework and what we need is to move to the next level On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 7:05 PM, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> wrote: Thanks so much Gilda. Actually, therein lies the conundrum – How to grow the forum potential that we have? How to spur on such a huge base as per Washington’s stats, to a wider participation/engagement for mutual benefit of all, the nation and beyond. Debate here on the good days can really, really be rich in content at the same time being informative & Educative. Secondly, as Edwin earlier on stated, on those good days when debate – deliberation & conclusions is at its best, we unfortunately do not have mechanisms in place to follow this through with the decision makers – effectively influencing policy. How do we address this..? It won’t just be enough to build up an archive for PhD students out of the Kictanet repositories.. Let these deliberations make a difference that can count in this country. That is Kictanet.. Harry From: Gilda Odera [mailto:godera@skyweb.co.ke] Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 5:26 PM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0 Hi Harry, I am not too sure the sisters can be any more empowered- short of force feeding really!:) Those who feel strongly about something tend to drop a line. I don't even think it is a gender issue, I am sure if you check out the subscriber base you will find that people are just keeping quiet in the background but picking a lot. How to make it more interactive? My suspicion is that many only read one thread and miss out the main thread of the debate and depending on what a subscriber has responded to, they sometimes "switch off" and do not read any more mails on that topic- in the process missing out on some interesting discussions in between. I think those who have something burning to say will say it anyway. The rest are neither here nor there in the debate so they see no need to comment nor read all the threads. Maybe on each topic the key Government agencies can be requested to always give an opinion- that may generate more participation.And the subject line would ensure it highlights " XXX's position on....".- Just wondering. Glad to read PS Murage's email to Grace- people are indeed reading Kictanet debates. . Gilda Odera ----- Original Message ----- From: Harry Delano To: 'Gilda Odera' Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 4:38 PM Subject: RE: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0 Thanks so much Gilda/Grace for your comments. So possibly from your own observation perhaps, how can we make it more interactive and engaging, and attract more participation..? Could it be we need to make the environment a little bit more conducive/friendlier and accommodative enough? My observation is the sisters are usually too silent. How do we empower..? Secondly I do note, in its formative years Kictanet actively & professionally ( through representation) engaged a number of players on the national stage, such us the Ps, CCK, Govt Depts, to shape ICT policy. There have been positive results from those engagement sessions (kamkunji). That also seems to have faded off..? Any idea..? This is because I have this strong feeling within, that since Kictanet was formed with the express objective to engage on a multi-stakeholder platform, there has never been such a time in its history as now that we need to engage more, and do so collectively. For instance, I thought this would be a time we would be actively engaging on Konza, Cyber security, just to name a few… or..? Harry From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Gilda Odera Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 4:08 PM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0 Grace, I think it is a cultural thing here. Many people would rather write directly to you during a debate, as you say below, rather than voice their opinion openly. I am thinking Kenyans are still very shy and scared of being seen to "step on another's toes"- just in case their comment may be going against someone's opinion. Many would rather hide and comment quietly to the person next to them or the person they are close to. I imagine that is why there are still so many things that remain unchanged in the country that could be changed if people came out and voiced their opinions. But the few who write must never feel discouraged as their voices are still being heard and they are impacting on so many. It takes a few people to bring about change. My thoughts. Regards, Gilda ----- Original Message ----- From: Grace Githaiga To: godera@skyweb.co.ke Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 3:36 PM Subject: RE: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0 Spot on Gilda. However, it may be useful to hear from some lurkers as to why they are not active participants of the forum (there is not so much from the sisters :)). Maybe there is something that can be done to allow for more participation? I have for example received comments off-list when I have moderated debates, and my question to those listers is that it would be nice for them to raise the very good comments here on this forum. Again, the aim is to strengthen the forum and have it continue to remain relevant. On another note, I have seen some of our discussions here quoted authoritatively on mainstream media, as well as on social media. Ben Akoh, we look forward to reading the findings of your research. Lets keep this debate live! It is very useful. Rgds GG ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you have the strength to survive, you have the power to succeed. Life is all about choices we make depending upon the situation we are in. Go forth and rule the World! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: godera@skyweb.co.ke Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 14:12:58 +0300 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0 CC: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke To: ggithaiga@hotmail.com Long live Kictanet- as far as I am concerned. Listers, I think we need to remember that just like in any other forum, there are always the very few who engage in discussions while most do the listening. That is typical human behaviour, and it is therefore not odd nor is Kictanet dying because not all subscribed listers are actively participating. Personally, I am quite happy with the forum. And there has been so much to learn and listen to in the various debates- very useful. Regards, Gilda Odera ----- Original Message ----- From: Walubengo J To: godera@skyweb.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 12:04 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0 Ben This is a powerful testimony. I do also know of a PhD student whose core dataset is the KICTAnet archives. And others who got jobs/scholarships arising from KICTAnet posts. I think these are some of the stories that we want to hear from the "horses" mouth... However, on the flip-side, I think we should also welcome the negative experiences - or challenges as it were - so that we can improve going forward. walu. nb: ave taken the liberty to tweak the subject to include KICTAnet 2.0 --- On Fri, 4/13/12, Ben Akoh <me@benakoh.com> wrote: From: Ben Akoh <me@benakoh.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...! To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Friday, April 13, 2012, 2:17 AM Hi All, My name is Ben Akoh and I am one of many lurkers on this list, and on many others. I am not Kenyan, I have visited the country several times, I will be visiting it in the next month, I love it, its people, and have very good friends there. I participated in one of the earlier public forums that helped to shape Kictanet and that fed into the numerous fiber initiatives to which you and most of us now enjoy: directly when we visit the country, and indirectly when we interact with good people like yourselves who continue to pave the way for how public consultation can shape future growth and development. My comments are along three lines: 1. The benefits of lurkers: Being a lurker is not necessary a bad thing. Some of us continue to benefit from this list and learn good practices that inform public policy in many other areas. For instance, the Kictanet model is replicated across several national discussion lists in West Africa and have been suggested as a useful model for public consultation on policy issues. Lurkers benefit through propagate the good dialogues that emanate from this group in other forums beyond yours. See this as Kenya's export to the knowledge and information economy. 2. Questioning is good: Seeking ways through which this forum would become more relevant is also not necessarily a bad thing. Questioning leads to improvement. The day that every member of this group thinks that the list has arrived (group think), is the day it begins to slowly die a death. Thus, a constant review, as someone mentioned, against Kictanet's initial objectives is a good starting point; documenting its progress over the years through careful research (as another person mentioned) is also important. But significant consideration should be given to the medium of delivery and how this is relevant to the context of the times. "The medium is the message" (Marshall McLuhan). The medium should thus respond to the demands of the time. Considerations should be given to those for whom policy is deliberated but who do not have access to deliberate in its present form. 3. Kicktanet is one of several model that works: I am currently finalizing a toolkit (ebook and wiki) of several models that have worked for generating evidence and for seeking consent of those whom policy will affect using case studies of good practice models implemented across the world. Kictanet and this discussion list is featured prominently as one of them. I hope to share the outcome of this research once it has been published. In sum, all these go to say that: 1. The list is useful to both lurkers and active members. 2. Its influence transcends Kenya and contributes to shaping policy and policy consultation beyond its borders. 3. The medium should respond to the dynamic context of communication technologies, and cater to the local context as well as the growing needs of its audience - present and future. It should therefore be shaped accordingly. My two bob. Ben A lurker. On Thu, April 12, 2012 8:59 am, Evans Ikua wrote: > Now that we have to weigh in, I think this is an important list that it > serves its purposes well. If it falls silent for some time, then it means > that everyone is happy, which is not a bad thing. When its active, it > means > that people have issues, and they have a good place and forum to air their > concerns and opinion relating to the industry. > > As for the lurkers, they are also good to have. As someone said, one will > always speak out when their area of interest is mentioned and they have an > opinion to share. > > Regards, > Evans > > On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 4:49 PM, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> > wrote: > >> Now we talking. Please if you happen to be on this list, but presently >> on >> “read-only-mode” ( a new phrase I have learnt),**** >> >> please realize you owe it to this noble forum, started by noble people, >> with noble ideas at least in a way to leave some**** >> >> mark…**** >> >> ** ** >> >> So can we ensure that this forum carries the flag up higher and make a >> mark in this land and beyond that we can believe **** >> >> in. Have looked around, do not see any other forum with such >> broad/diverse >> membership.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Let’s keep the ideas coming in..**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Harry**** >> >> ** ** >> >> *From:* kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke >> [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] *On >> Behalf Of *Harry Hare >> *Sent:* Thursday, April 12, 2012 4:17 PM >> >> *To:* harry@comtelsys.co.ke >> *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions >> *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the >> dustbin...!**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Hey all, there is a strategy document floating somewhere. I think this >> could be a good place to start – see what has been achieved, what fell >> by >> the way side, identify what is still relevant, plug in new ideas and >> strengthen the network. KICTANet should never be allowed to "kick".**** >> >> **** >> >> Harry Hare**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Director**** >> >> African eDevelopment Resource Centre**** >> >> PO Box 49475 00100**** >> >> Nairobi, Kenya**** >> >> Tel +254 20 4041646**** >> >> Cel +254 725 650044**** >> >> ** ** >> >> ** ** >> >> *From: *Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com> >> *Date: *Thu, 12 Apr 2012 15:57:45 +0300 >> *To: *Harry Hare <harry@africanedevelopment.org> >> *Cc: *KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> >> *Subject: *Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the >> dustbin...!**** >> >> ** ** >> >> If we go back to early discussions about the multi-stakeholder network >> known as KICTAnet I recall there being a distinction between the mailing >> list participants, and those stakeholders who would actively engage in >> KICTAnet "activities".**** >> >> ** ** >> >> My take is that since there have been no "activities" as such - the >> feeling is that KICTAnet has "kicked" to borrow a phrase from >> @Harry.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> I remember there used to be monthly face-to-face meetings which followed >> a >> particular topic or theme of interest and served as an opportunity for >> participants from the various networks to meet within the context of the >> "network of networks". At the time there was program funding from donor >> to >> cover costs of those meetings, this has presumably, run out. Which leads >> me >> to ask, can we mobilise funds locally? At least for these gatherings? As >> they will give a greater element of traction to the organization while >> ensuring that it continues to remain relevant within the sector. >> Especially >> as the melting pot for policy debate.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Best regards,**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Brian**** >> >> ** ** >> >> On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 3:41 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> >> wrote:**** >> >> Joe, >> >> Currently listed number is 690 members from diverse backgrounds of >> Media, >> Academia, Govt, Regulator, Telcos(fixed, mobile, wireless). But as you >> noted not everyone is active -80% are often in read-only mode. That is >> one >> reason I thought we needed new thinking and new approaches... >> >> walu. >> >> --- On *Thu, 4/12/12, Joseph Mucheru <mucheru@google.com>* wrote:**** >> >> >> From: Joseph Mucheru <mucheru@google.com>**** >> >> >> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the >> dustbin...! >> To: jwalu@yahoo.com >> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" >> <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>**** >> >> Date: Thursday, April 12, 2012, 2:53 PM**** >> >> ** ** >> >> I am certainly above 35 and enjoy not only records but also the latest >> collaboration technologies "Google >> Hangouts<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QN38vHZjWXw>" >> I agree that we need to review our aim and strategies but we need to >> have a >> representative forum that allows for that to take place. @Brian you know >> many participant on this list are in read only mode.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> @Walu/@Washington - can you give us an idea of the number of people >> actively subscribed to the list? Not the names but the number. This will >> be >> a good place to start. Dealing with facts and not guess work.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Thanks**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Joe**** >> >> ** ** >> >> On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 2:31 PM, Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau >> <solo.mburu@gmail.com<http://mc/compose?to=solo.mburu@gmail.com>> >> wrote:**** >> >> ** ** >> >> On 12 April 2012 14:26, robert yawe >> <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk<http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk>> >> wrote:**** >> >> Harry,**** >> >> ** ** >> >> We are ageing, email is loosing is lustre and the new generation hate >> records and prefer platforms like twitter and facebook.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> The responsibility for keeping the forum active remains with those over >> 35 >> year old who unfortunately are trying to fit in with the younger >> crowd.*** >> * >> >> ** ** >> >> uuummmmm is there a way out of this loop.^C**** >> >> >> I'm below 35, but enjoy keeping records, in addition to facebook and >> twitter >> **** >> >> ** ** >> >> Regards **** >> >> **** >> >> Robert Yawe >> KAY System Technologies Ltd >> Phoenix House, 6th Floor >> P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 >> Kenya**** >> >> Tel: +254722511225 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting +254722511225 end_of_the_skype_highlighting, +254202010696 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting +254202010696 end_of_the_skype_highlighting**** >> ------------------------------ >> >> *From:* Harry Delano >> <harry@comtelsys.co.ke<http://mc/compose?to=harry@comtelsys.co.ke> >> > >> *To:* robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk >> <http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> >> **** >> >> *Cc:* 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' >> <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/compose?to=kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>> >> **** >> >> *Sent:* Thursday, 12 April 2012, 13:55**** >> >> >> *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the >> dustbin...!**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Ara..!**** >> >> **** >> >> Not many people seriously want to rejuvenate this forum, as per >> Brian/Walubengo’s suggestion…?**** >> >> **** >> >> Cannot imagine the forum becoming a good case study one day for some >> thesis student. Whose research titles among others:-**** >> >> · “How-to-kill a good forum, kick it into the dustbin and >> leave >> it for the dead” **** >> >> · “The rise and rise, and fall and fall of a myriad of many >> ICT >> forums in Kenya, the major one being….**** >> >> · “How-not-to build structural resilience and offer strategic >> leadership”. Why the big forum went M.I.A, and petered out..**** >> >> · And the final one perhaps, “ Do not repeat the mistakes >> listed >> above, time for a RESET..”!**** >> >> **** >> >> Certainly, unless otherwise – we might be headed for such a case >> study. >> Not sure if I should patent the titles, just in case..!**** >> >> **** >> >> Harry**** >> >> **** >> >> **** >> >> *From:* >> kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke>[mailto: >> kictanet-bounces+harry <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet-bounces%2Bharry>= >> comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke>] >> *On Behalf Of *Brian Munyao Longwe >> *Sent:* Thursday, April 12, 2012 12:50 AM >> *To:* harry@comtelsys.co.ke <http://mc/compose?to=harry@comtelsys.co.ke> >> *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions >> *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the >> dustbin...!**** >> >> **** >> >> I think Walu is on the right track. Every organisation for-profit or >> not, >> has to reassess it's strategy, relevance, business direction and thrust >> periodically or risk falling into the shadows.**** >> >> **** >> >> Is it time for KICTAnet to do so?**** >> >> **** >> >> As one of the founders and a trustee I think that the time has come.**** >> >> **** >> >> My 2 shillings,**** >> >> **** >> >> Brian**** >> >> On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 6:21 PM, Walubengo J >> <jwalu@yahoo.com<http://mc/compose?to=jwalu@yahoo.com>> >> wrote:**** >> >> @Wash, >> >> Maybe Delano is insinuating something. Perhaps KICTAnet needs to >> re-juvinate >> and re-energize. Bring in new blood and thinking. What do we want from >> KICTAnet, 8yrs later? What management structures, membership structures, >> operational, financial structures do we want to see going forward? >> >> Perhaps a brainstorming face2face session is due. I for one have been >> the >> moderator since inception and maybe someone else can do a better job and >> we >> just have not asked them to come forth. Think about it - I could have >> run >> out of ideas or some younger dot.commer <http://dot.com> may just be >> sitting on better ways of moderation that I have never imagined... >> >> just my 2pings. >> >> walu. >> >> --- On *Wed, 4/11/12, Odhiambo Washington >> <odhiambo@gmail.com<http://mc/compose?to=odhiambo@gmail.com> >> >* wrote:**** >> >> >> From: Odhiambo Washington >> <odhiambo@gmail.com<http://mc/compose?to=odhiambo@gmail.com> >> > >> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the >> dustbin...! >> To: jwalu@yahoo.com <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu@yahoo.com> >> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" >> <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/compose?to=kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> >> > >> Date: Wednesday, April 11, 2012, 3:50 PM**** >> >> **** >> >> **** >> >> On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 14:59, Harry Delano >> <harry@comtelsys.co.ke<http://mc/compose?to=harry@comtelsys.co.ke>> >> wrote:**** >> >> I’m not sure which is which, until I see some response on whether we >> might >> just as well happen to be drifting along rudderless…!!**** >> >> **** >> >> >> You mean the post-Easter stupor, or?? >> **** >> >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> Odhiambo WASHINGTON, >> Nairobi,KE >> +254733744121/+254722743223 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting +254722743223 end_of_the_skype_highlighting >> _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ >> I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler. >> [image: cid:image001.png@01CD18CB.53049790]Please consider the >> environment before printing this email. **** >> >> **** >> >> -----Inline Attachment Follows-----**** >> >> _______________________________________________ >> kictanet mailing list >> kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/compose?to=kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> >> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >> >> Unsubscribe or change your options at >> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/jwalu%40yahoo.com >> >> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform >> for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and >> regulation. 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@Gilda, the ball is actually in EACH of our courts. I am also humbled by the former PS Murage's testimony. Think about it, this guy was for along time the President's Strategy Advisor - perhaps KICTAnet has had policy impact from the highest levels of this land (we all deserve some some consultancy fee from Govt ;-). But am sure we can make even bigger strides as get more feedback from the membership. I assume GG is moderating, based on her recent summary. Keep the conversation going. walu. --- On Mon, 4/16/12, Gilda Odera <godera@skyweb.co.ke> wrote: From: Gilda Odera <godera@skyweb.co.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0 To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Date: Monday, April 16, 2012, 11:59 AM Joe, I like your suggestion. I agree- let us look at the next 10 years, review where we are, evaluate any shortfalls and come up with possible suggestions. We have evolved but we could be further. As Brian mentioned, this can be taken to the higher level once determined.I'd like to see more than 10 companies winning global competitions (why not?), lower Internet rates with greater speeds, many more innovations (because we have what it takes). My take is that we can do much more- let us up our game. Walu, ball in your court, let us get this going. Kind regards, Gilda ----- Original Message ----- From: Joseph Mucheru To: godera@skyweb.co.ke Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 9:42 AM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0 Harry/Gilda Et all, Following this whole discussion I can help but conclude the country have moved to a different stage in the development of the ICT sector. In the past we came together because there were major issues we needed to deal with. The face 2 face was even important to ensure we framed the issues well for the stakeholders. We have a policy framework in place (an evolving one) The market is competitive (call rates and internet rates are low) We are leading in innovations in mobile money globally (mpesa) iHub and other open community spaces are doing well - look at the mlab Content and other funding (Billions of shillings) John Waibochi is winning global competitions with virtual city Cables landed - 4G and evolving etc .... We still have some legacy issues (Telkom and Posta) - But we know there are qualified people dealing with them amongst others Am not saying things are perfect, only that we have not identified an obvious national cross cutting issue to rally everyone around. Konza is a great but most people I have talked to are not clear how to engage (yet they do not want to be left out). May I propose an action for this list. Paint a picture of Kenya's ICT sector in 2020. By this I mean, what do we all think Kenya's ICT sector will/can look like in next 10 years. This will allow each of us to reflect of what we are doing today and how we can impact that vision of tomorrow. Thanks Joe My view is we have exhausted discussions on setting a suitable framework and what we need is to move to the next level On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 7:05 PM, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> wrote: Thanks so much Gilda. Actually, therein lies the conundrum – How to grow the forum potential that we have? How to spur on such a huge base as per Washington’s stats, to a wider participation/engagement for mutual benefit of all, the nation and beyond. Debate here on the good days can really, really be rich in content at the same time being informative & Educative. Secondly, as Edwin earlier on stated, on those good days when debate – deliberation & conclusions is at its best, we unfortunately do not have mechanisms in place to follow this through with the decision makers – effectively influencing policy. How do we address this..? It won’t just be enough to build up an archive for PhD students out of the Kictanet repositories.. Let these deliberations make a difference that can count in this country. That is Kictanet.. Harry From: Gilda Odera [mailto:godera@skyweb.co.ke] Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 5:26 PM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0 Hi Harry, I am not too sure the sisters can be any more empowered- short of force feeding really!:) Those who feel strongly about something tend to drop a line. I don't even think it is a gender issue, I am sure if you check out the subscriber base you will find that people are just keeping quiet in the background but picking a lot. How to make it more interactive? My suspicion is that many only read one thread and miss out the main thread of the debate and depending on what a subscriber has responded to, they sometimes "switch off" and do not read any more mails on that topic- in the process missing out on some interesting discussions in between. I think those who have something burning to say will say it anyway. The rest are neither here nor there in the debate so they see no need to comment nor read all the threads. Maybe on each topic the key Government agencies can be requested to always give an opinion- that may generate more participation.And the subject line would ensure it highlights " XXX's position on....".- Just wondering. Glad to read PS Murage's email to Grace- people are indeed reading Kictanet debates. . Gilda Odera ----- Original Message ----- From: Harry Delano To: 'Gilda Odera' Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 4:38 PM Subject: RE: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0 Thanks so much Gilda/Grace for your comments. So possibly from your own observation perhaps, how can we make it more interactive and engaging, and attract more participation..? Could it be we need to make the environment a little bit more conducive/friendlier and accommodative enough? My observation is the sisters are usually too silent. How do we empower..? Secondly I do note, in its formative years Kictanet actively & professionally ( through representation) engaged a number of players on the national stage, such us the Ps, CCK, Govt Depts, to shape ICT policy. There have been positive results from those engagement sessions (kamkunji). That also seems to have faded off..? Any idea..? This is because I have this strong feeling within, that since Kictanet was formed with the express objective to engage on a multi-stakeholder platform, there has never been such a time in its history as now that we need to engage more, and do so collectively. For instance, I thought this would be a time we would be actively engaging on Konza, Cyber security, just to name a few… or..? Harry From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Gilda Odera Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 4:08 PM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0 Grace, I think it is a cultural thing here. Many people would rather write directly to you during a debate, as you say below, rather than voice their opinion openly. I am thinking Kenyans are still very shy and scared of being seen to "step on another's toes"- just in case their comment may be going against someone's opinion. Many would rather hide and comment quietly to the person next to them or the person they are close to. I imagine that is why there are still so many things that remain unchanged in the country that could be changed if people came out and voiced their opinions. But the few who write must never feel discouraged as their voices are still being heard and they are impacting on so many. It takes a few people to bring about change. My thoughts. Regards, Gilda ----- Original Message ----- From: Grace Githaiga To: godera@skyweb.co.ke Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 3:36 PM Subject: RE: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0 Spot on Gilda. However, it may be useful to hear from some lurkers as to why they are not active participants of the forum (there is not so much from the sisters :)). Maybe there is something that can be done to allow for more participation? I have for example received comments off-list when I have moderated debates, and my question to those listers is that it would be nice for them to raise the very good comments here on this forum. Again, the aim is to strengthen the forum and have it continue to remain relevant. On another note, I have seen some of our discussions here quoted authoritatively on mainstream media, as well as on social media. Ben Akoh, we look forward to reading the findings of your research. Lets keep this debate live! It is very useful. Rgds GG ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you have the strength to survive, you have the power to succeed. Life is all about choices we make depending upon the situation we are in. Go forth and rule the World! From: godera@skyweb.co.ke Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 14:12:58 +0300 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0 CC: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke To: ggithaiga@hotmail.com Long live Kictanet- as far as I am concerned. Listers, I think we need to remember that just like in any other forum, there are always the very few who engage in discussions while most do the listening. That is typical human behaviour, and it is therefore not odd nor is Kictanet dying because not all subscribed listers are actively participating. Personally, I am quite happy with the forum. And there has been so much to learn and listen to in the various debates- very useful. Regards, Gilda Odera ----- Original Message ----- From: Walubengo J To: godera@skyweb.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 12:04 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0 Ben This is a powerful testimony. I do also know of a PhD student whose core dataset is the KICTAnet archives. And others who got jobs/scholarships arising from KICTAnet posts. I think these are some of the stories that we want to hear from the "horses" mouth... However, on the flip-side, I think we should also welcome the negative experiences - or challenges as it were - so that we can improve going forward. walu. nb: ave taken the liberty to tweak the subject to include KICTAnet 2.0 --- On Fri, 4/13/12, Ben Akoh <me@benakoh.com> wrote: From: Ben Akoh <me@benakoh.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...! To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Friday, April 13, 2012, 2:17 AM Hi All, My name is Ben Akoh and I am one of many lurkers on this list, and on many others. I am not Kenyan, I have visited the country several times, I will be visiting it in the next month, I love it, its people, and have very good friends there. I participated in one of the earlier public forums that helped to shape Kictanet and that fed into the numerous fiber initiatives to which you and most of us now enjoy: directly when we visit the country, and indirectly when we interact with good people like yourselves who continue to pave the way for how public consultation can shape future growth and development. My comments are along three lines: 1. The benefits of lurkers: Being a lurker is not necessary a bad thing. Some of us continue to benefit from this list and learn good practices that inform public policy in many other areas. For instance, the Kictanet model is replicated across several national discussion lists in West Africa and have been suggested as a useful model for public consultation on policy issues. Lurkers benefit through propagate the good dialogues that emanate from this group in other forums beyond yours. See this as Kenya's export to the knowledge and information economy. 2. Questioning is good: Seeking ways through which this forum would become more relevant is also not necessarily a bad thing. Questioning leads to improvement. The day that every member of this group thinks that the list has arrived (group think), is the day it begins to slowly die a death. Thus, a constant review, as someone mentioned, against Kictanet's initial objectives is a good starting point; documenting its progress over the years through careful research (as another person mentioned) is also important. But significant consideration should be given to the medium of delivery and how this is relevant to the context of the times. "The medium is the message" (Marshall McLuhan). The medium should thus respond to the demands of the time. Considerations should be given to those for whom policy is deliberated but who do not have access to deliberate in its present form. 3. Kicktanet is one of several model that works: I am currently finalizing a toolkit (ebook and wiki) of several models that have worked for generating evidence and for seeking consent of those whom policy will affect using case studies of good practice models implemented across the world. Kictanet and this discussion list is featured prominently as one of them. I hope to share the outcome of this research once it has been published. In sum, all these go to say that: 1. The list is useful to both lurkers and active members. 2. Its influence transcends Kenya and contributes to shaping policy and policy consultation beyond its borders. 3. The medium should respond to the dynamic context of communication technologies, and cater to the local context as well as the growing needs of its audience - present and future. It should therefore be shaped accordingly. My two bob. Ben A lurker. On Thu, April 12, 2012 8:59 am, Evans Ikua wrote:
Now that we have to weigh in, I think this is an important list that it
serves its purposes well. If it falls silent for some time, then it means
that everyone is happy, which is not a bad thing. When its active, it means that people have issues, and they have a good place and forum to air their concerns and opinion relating to the industry.
As for the lurkers, they are also good to have. As someone said, one will always speak out when their area of interest is mentioned and they have an
opinion to share.
Regards,
Evans
On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 4:49 PM, Harry
Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke>
wrote:
Now we talking. Please if you happen
to be on this list, but presently
on
“read-only-mode” ( a new phrase I have learnt),****
please realize you owe it
to this noble forum, started by noble people,
with noble ideas at least in a way to leave some****
mark…****
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So can we ensure that this forum carries the flag up higher and make a
mark in this land and beyond that we can believe ****
in. Have looked around, do not see any other forum with such
broad/diverse
membership.****
**
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Let’s keep the ideas coming
in..****
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Harry****
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*From:* kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke
[mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] *On
Behalf Of *Harry Hare *Sent:* Thursday, April 12, 2012 4:17 PM
*To:* harry@comtelsys.co.ke *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...!****
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Hey all, there is a strategy document floating somewhere. I think this could be a good place to start – see what has been achieved, what fell by the way side, identify what is still relevant, plug in new ideas and strengthen the network. KICTANet should never be allowed to "kick".****
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*From:
*Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com>
*Date: *Thu, 12 Apr 2012 15:57:45 +0300 *To: *Harry Hare <harry@africanedevelopment.org>
*Cc: *KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>
*Subject: *Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the
dustbin...!****
** **
If we go back to early discussions about the multi-stakeholder network known as KICTAnet I recall there being a distinction between the mailing list participants, and those stakeholders who would actively engage in KICTAnet "activities".****
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My take is that since there have been no "activities" as such - the feeling is that KICTAnet has "kicked" to borrow a phrase from
@Harry.****
**
**
I remember there used to be monthly
face-to-face meetings which followed
a
particular topic or theme of interest and served as an opportunity for
participants from the various networks to meet within the context of the "network of networks". At the time there was program funding from donor to cover costs of those meetings, this has presumably, run out. Which leads
me
to ask, can we mobilise funds locally? At least for these gatherings? As they will give a greater element of traction to the organization while
ensuring that it continues to remain relevant within the sector.
Especially as the melting pot for policy debate.****
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Best regards,****
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Brian****
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On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 3:41 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com>
wrote:****
Joe,
Currently listed number is 690 members from diverse backgrounds of
Media, Academia, Govt, Regulator, Telcos(fixed, mobile, wireless). But as you
noted not everyone is active -80% are often in read-only mode. That is
one reason I thought we needed new thinking and new approaches...
walu.
--- On *Thu, 4/12/12, Joseph
Mucheru <mucheru@google.com>* wrote:****
From: Joseph
Mucheru <mucheru@google.com>****
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the
dustbin...! To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>****
Date: Thursday, April 12, 2012, 2:53 PM****
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I
am certainly above 35 and enjoy not only records but also the latest
collaboration technologies "Google Hangouts<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QN38vHZjWXw>"
I agree that we need to review our aim and strategies but we need to
have a representative forum that allows for that to take place. @Brian you know many participant on this list are in read only mode.****
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@Walu/@Washington - can you give us an idea of the number of people
actively subscribed to the list? Not the names but the number. This will be a good place to start. Dealing with facts and not guess work.****
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Thanks****
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Joe****
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On
Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 2:31 PM, Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau
<solo.mburu@gmail.com<http://mc/compose?to=solo.mburu@gmail.com>>
wrote:****
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On 12 April 2012 14:26, robert yawe
<robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk<http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk>>
wrote:****
Harry,****
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We are ageing, email is loosing is lustre and the new generation hate
records and prefer platforms like twitter and facebook.****
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The responsibility for keeping the forum active remains with those over 35
year old who unfortunately are trying to fit in with the younger
crowd.***
*
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uuummmmm
is there a way out of this loop.^C****
I'm below 35,
but enjoy keeping records, in addition to facebook and
****
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*From:*
Harry Delano
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>
*To:* robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk <http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk>
****
*Cc:* 'KICTAnet ICT Policy
Discussions'
<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/compose?to=kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>>
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*Sent:* Thursday, 12 April 2012,
13:55****
*Subject:* Re:
[kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the
dustbin...!****
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Ara..!****
****
Not many people seriously want to
rejuvenate this forum, as per
Brian/Walubengo’s suggestion…?****
****
Cannot imagine the forum becoming a
good case study one day for some
thesis student. Whose research titles among others:-****
· “How-to-kill a good forum, kick it into the dustbin and
leave
it for the dead” ****
· “The rise and rise, and fall and fall of a myriad of many
ICT
forums in Kenya, the major one being….****
·
“How-not-to build structural resilience and offer strategic
leadership”. Why the big forum went M.I.A, and petered out..****
· And the final one perhaps, “ Do not repeat the mistakes listed above, time for a RESET..”!****
****
Certainly, unless otherwise – we
might be headed for such a case
study.
Not sure if I should patent the titles, just in case..!****
****
Harry****
****
****
*From:*
kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke>[mailto:
kictanet-bounces+harry <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet-bounces%2Bharry>=
comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke>]
*On Behalf Of *Brian Munyao Longwe
*Sent:* Thursday, April 12, 2012 12:50 AM *To:* harry@comtelsys.co.ke <http://mc/compose?to=harry@comtelsys.co.ke>
*Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
*Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...!****
****
I think Walu is on the right track. Every organisation for-profit or not,
has to reassess it's strategy, relevance, business direction and thrust
periodically or risk falling into the shadows.****
****
Is it time for KICTAnet to do
so?****
****
As one of the founders and a
trustee I think that the time has come.****
****
My 2
shillings,****
****
Brian****
On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 6:21 PM, Walubengo J
<jwalu@yahoo.com<http://mc/compose?to=jwalu@yahoo.com>>
wrote:****
@Wash,
Maybe Delano is insinuating
something. Perhaps KICTAnet needs to
re-juvinate
and re-energize. Bring in new blood and thinking. What do we want from KICTAnet, 8yrs later? What management structures, membership structures,
operational, financial structures do we want to see going forward?
Perhaps a brainstorming
face2face session is due. I for one have been
the
moderator since inception and maybe someone else can do a better job and we just have not asked them to come forth. Think about it - I could have run out of ideas or some younger dot.commer <http://dot.com> may just be
sitting on better ways of moderation that I have never imagined...
just my
2pings.
walu.
--- On *Wed, 4/11/12, Odhiambo Washington
<odhiambo@gmail.com<http://mc/compose?to=odhiambo@gmail.com>
>* wrote:****
From:
Odhiambo Washington
<odhiambo@gmail.com<http://mc/compose?to=odhiambo@gmail.com>
>
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...!
To: jwalu@yahoo.com <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu@yahoo.com>
Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions"
<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/compose?to=kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>
Date: Wednesday, April 11, 2012, 3:50 PM****
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On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 14:59, Harry Delano
<harry@comtelsys.co.ke<http://mc/compose?to=harry@comtelsys.co.ke>>
wrote:****
I’m not sure which is which,
until I see some response on whether we
might
just as well happen to be drifting along rudderless…!!****
****
You mean the
post-Easter stupor, or??
****
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Really interesting… Probably Bw Ps, this could be the time and moment to make a maiden speech/address, if convenient for you..? Especially now as we seek way forward. Much appreciate your company. Anyone knows if Bw. Ndemo is still online..? Nonetheless, floor still much open to all, and Grace is taking your calls/views… Bob, actually I thought we had sort of drifted into that ‘stagnation’ mode, hence the concern.. Harry From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Walubengo J Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 1:54 PM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0 @Gilda, the ball is actually in EACH of our courts. I am also humbled by the former PS Murage's testimony. Think about it, this guy was for along time the President's Strategy Advisor - perhaps KICTAnet has had policy impact from the highest levels of this land (we all deserve some some consultancy fee from Govt ;-). But am sure we can make even bigger strides as get more feedback from the membership. I assume GG is moderating, based on her recent summary. Keep the conversation going. walu. --- On Mon, 4/16/12, Gilda Odera <godera@skyweb.co.ke> wrote: From: Gilda Odera <godera@skyweb.co.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0 To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Date: Monday, April 16, 2012, 11:59 AM Joe, I like your suggestion. I agree- let us look at the next 10 years, review where we are, evaluate any shortfalls and come up with possible suggestions. We have evolved but we could be further. As Brian mentioned, this can be taken to the higher level once determined.I'd like to see more than 10 companies winning global competitions (why not?), lower Internet rates with greater speeds, many more innovations (because we have what it takes). My take is that we can do much more- let us up our game. Walu, ball in your court, let us get this going. Kind regards, Gilda ----- Original Message ----- From: Joseph Mucheru To: godera@skyweb.co.ke Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 9:42 AM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0 Harry/Gilda Et all, Following this whole discussion I can help but conclude the country have moved to a different stage in the development of the ICT sector. In the past we came together because there were major issues we needed to deal with. The face 2 face was even important to ensure we framed the issues well for the stakeholders. * We have a policy framework in place (an evolving one) * The market is competitive (call rates and internet rates are low) * We are leading in innovations in mobile money globally (mpesa) * iHub and other open community spaces are doing well - look at the mlab <http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/MLab++gets+Sh1+31+billion+financial+boost+/-/1248928/1380044/-/t1p59dz/-/index.html> Content and other funding (Billions of shillings) * John Waibochi is winning global competitions with virtual city * Cables landed - 4G and evolving * etc .... * We still have some legacy issues (Telkom and Posta) - But we know there are qualified people dealing with them amongst others Am not saying things are perfect, only that we have not identified an obvious national cross cutting issue to rally everyone around. Konza is a great but most people I have talked to are not clear how to engage (yet they do not want to be left out). May I propose an action for this list. Paint a picture of Kenya's ICT sector in 2020. By this I mean, what do we all think Kenya's ICT sector will/can look like in next 10 years. This will allow each of us to reflect of what we are doing today and how we can impact that vision of tomorrow. Thanks Joe My view is we have exhausted discussions on setting a suitable framework and what we need is to move to the next level On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 7:05 PM, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> wrote: Thanks so much Gilda. Actually, therein lies the conundrum – How to grow the forum potential that we have? How to spur on such a huge base as per Washington’s stats, to a wider participation/engagement for mutual benefit of all, the nation and beyond. Debate here on the good days can really, really be rich in content at the same time being informative & Educative. Secondly, as Edwin earlier on stated, on those good days when debate – deliberation & conclusions is at its best, we unfortunately do not have mechanisms in place to follow this through with the decision makers – effectively influencing policy. How do we address this..? It won’t just be enough to build up an archive for PhD students out of the Kictanet repositories.. Let these deliberations make a difference that can count in this country. That is Kictanet.. Harry From: Gilda Odera [mailto:godera@skyweb.co.ke] Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 5:26 PM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0 Hi Harry, I am not too sure the sisters can be any more empowered- short of force feeding really!:) Those who feel strongly about something tend to drop a line. I don't even think it is a gender issue, I am sure if you check out the subscriber base you will find that people are just keeping quiet in the background but picking a lot. How to make it more interactive? My suspicion is that many only read one thread and miss out the main thread of the debate and depending on what a subscriber has responded to, they sometimes "switch off" and do not read any more mails on that topic- in the process missing out on some interesting discussions in between. I think those who have something burning to say will say it anyway. The rest are neither here nor there in the debate so they see no need to comment nor read all the threads. Maybe on each topic the key Government agencies can be requested to always give an opinion- that may generate more participation.And the subject line would ensure it highlights " XXX's position on....".- Just wondering. Glad to read PS Murage's email to Grace- people are indeed reading Kictanet debates. . Gilda Odera ----- Original Message ----- From: Harry Delano To: 'Gilda Odera' Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 4:38 PM Subject: RE: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0 Thanks so much Gilda/Grace for your comments. So possibly from your own observation perhaps, how can we make it more interactive and engaging, and attract more participation..? Could it be we need to make the environment a little bit more conducive/friendlier and accommodative enough? My observation is the sisters are usually too silent. How do we empower..? Secondly I do note, in its formative years Kictanet actively & professionally ( through representation) engaged a number of players on the national stage, such us the Ps, CCK, Govt Depts, to shape ICT policy. There have been positive results from those engagement sessions (kamkunji). That also seems to have faded off..? Any idea..? This is because I have this strong feeling within, that since Kictanet was formed with the express objective to engage on a multi-stakeholder platform, there has never been such a time in its history as now that we need to engage more, and do so collectively. For instance, I thought this would be a time we would be actively engaging on Konza, Cyber security, just to name a few… or..? Harry From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Gilda Odera Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 4:08 PM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0 Grace, I think it is a cultural thing here. Many people would rather write directly to you during a debate, as you say below, rather than voice their opinion openly. I am thinking Kenyans are still very shy and scared of being seen to "step on another's toes"- just in case their comment may be going against someone's opinion. Many would rather hide and comment quietly to the person next to them or the person they are close to. I imagine that is why there are still so many things that remain unchanged in the country that could be changed if people came out and voiced their opinions. But the few who write must never feel discouraged as their voices are still being heard and they are impacting on so many. It takes a few people to bring about change. My thoughts. Regards, Gilda ----- Original Message ----- From: Grace Githaiga To: godera@skyweb.co.ke Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 3:36 PM Subject: RE: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0 Spot on Gilda. However, it may be useful to hear from some lurkers as to why they are not active participants of the forum (there is not so much from the sisters :)). Maybe there is something that can be done to allow for more participation? I have for example received comments off-list when I have moderated debates, and my question to those listers is that it would be nice for them to raise the very good comments here on this forum. Again, the aim is to strengthen the forum and have it continue to remain relevant. On another note, I have seen some of our discussions here quoted authoritatively on mainstream media, as well as on social media. Ben Akoh, we look forward to reading the findings of your research. Lets keep this debate live! It is very useful. Rgds GG ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you have the strength to survive, you have the power to succeed. Life is all about choices we make depending upon the situation we are in. Go forth and rule the World! _____ From: godera@skyweb.co.ke Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 14:12:58 +0300 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0 CC: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke To: ggithaiga@hotmail.com Long live Kictanet- as far as I am concerned. Listers, I think we need to remember that just like in any other forum, there are always the very few who engage in discussions while most do the listening. That is typical human behaviour, and it is therefore not odd nor is Kictanet dying because not all subscribed listers are actively participating. Personally, I am quite happy with the forum. And there has been so much to learn and listen to in the various debates- very useful. Regards, Gilda Odera ----- Original Message ----- From: Walubengo J To: godera@skyweb.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 12:04 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0 Ben This is a powerful testimony. I do also know of a PhD student whose core dataset is the KICTAnet archives. And others who got jobs/scholarships arising from KICTAnet posts. I think these are some of the stories that we want to hear from the "horses" mouth... However, on the flip-side, I think we should also welcome the negative experiences - or challenges as it were - so that we can improve going forward. walu. nb: ave taken the liberty to tweak the subject to include KICTAnet 2.0 --- On Fri, 4/13/12, Ben Akoh <me@benakoh.com> wrote: From: Ben Akoh <me@benakoh.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...! To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Friday, April 13, 2012, 2:17 AM Hi All, My name is Ben Akoh and I am one of many lurkers on this list, and on many others. I am not Kenyan, I have visited the country several times, I will be visiting it in the next month, I love it, its people, and have very good friends there. I participated in one of the earlier public forums that helped to shape Kictanet and that fed into the numerous fiber initiatives to which you and most of us now enjoy: directly when we visit the country, and indirectly when we interact with good people like yourselves who continue to pave the way for how public consultation can shape future growth and development. My comments are along three lines: 1. The benefits of lurkers: Being a lurker is not necessary a bad thing. Some of us continue to benefit from this list and learn good practices that inform public policy in many other areas. For instance, the Kictanet model is replicated across several national discussion lists in West Africa and have been suggested as a useful model for public consultation on policy issues. Lurkers benefit through propagate the good dialogues that emanate from this group in other forums beyond yours. See this as Kenya's export to the knowledge and information economy. 2. Questioning is good: Seeking ways through which this forum would become more relevant is also not necessarily a bad thing. Questioning leads to improvement. The day that every member of this group thinks that the list has arrived (group think), is the day it begins to slowly die a death. Thus, a constant review, as someone mentioned, against Kictanet's initial objectives is a good starting point; documenting its progress over the years through careful research (as another person mentioned) is also important. But significant consideration should be given to the medium of delivery and how this is relevant to the context of the times. "The medium is the message" (Marshall McLuhan). The medium should thus respond to the demands of the time. Considerations should be given to those for whom policy is deliberated but who do not have access to deliberate in its present form. 3. Kicktanet is one of several model that works: I am currently finalizing a toolkit (ebook and wiki) of several models that have worked for generating evidence and for seeking consent of those whom policy will affect using case studies of good practice models implemented across the world. Kictanet and this discussion list is featured prominently as one of them. I hope to share the outcome of this research once it has been published. In sum, all these go to say that: 1. The list is useful to both lurkers and active members. 2. Its influence transcends Kenya and contributes to shaping policy and policy consultation beyond its borders. 3. The medium should respond to the dynamic context of communication technologies, and cater to the local context as well as the growing needs of its audience - present and future. It should therefore be shaped accordingly. My two bob. Ben A lurker. On Thu, April 12, 2012 8:59 am, Evans Ikua wrote:
Now that we have to weigh in, I think this is an important list that it serves its purposes well. If it falls silent for some time, then it means that everyone is happy, which is not a bad thing. When its active, it means that people have issues, and they have a good place and forum to air their concerns and opinion relating to the industry.
As for the lurkers, they are also good to have. As someone said, one will always speak out when their area of interest is mentioned and they have an opinion to share.
Regards, Evans
On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 4:49 PM, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke <http://mc/compose?to=harry%40comtelsys.co.ke> > wrote:
Now we talking. Please if you happen to be on this list, but presently on “read-only-mode” ( a new phrase I have learnt),****
please realize you owe it to this noble forum, started by noble people, with noble ideas at least in a way to leave some****
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So can we ensure that this forum carries the flag up higher and make a mark in this land and beyond that we can believe ****
in. Have looked around, do not see any other forum with such broad/diverse membership.****
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*From:* kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke%40lists.kictanet.or.ke> [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke%40lists.kictanet.or.ke> ] *On Behalf Of *Harry Hare *Sent:* Thursday, April 12, 2012 4:17 PM
*To:* harry@comtelsys.co.ke <http://mc/compose?to=harry%40comtelsys.co.ke> *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...!****
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Hey all, there is a strategy document floating somewhere. I think this could be a good place to start – see what has been achieved, what fell by the way side, identify what is still relevant, plug in new ideas and strengthen the network. KICTANet should never be allowed to "kick".****
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*From: *Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com <http://mc/compose?to=blongwe%40gmail.com> > *Date: *Thu, 12 Apr 2012 15:57:45 +0300 *To: *Harry Hare <harry@africanedevelopment.org <http://mc/compose?to=harry%40africanedevelopment.org> > *Cc: *KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet%40lists.kictanet.or.ke> > *Subject: *Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...!****
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If we go back to early discussions about the multi-stakeholder network known as KICTAnet I recall there being a distinction between the mailing list participants, and those stakeholders who would actively engage in KICTAnet "activities".****
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My take is that since there have been no "activities" as such - the feeling is that KICTAnet has "kicked" to borrow a phrase from @Harry.****
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I remember there used to be monthly face-to-face meetings which followed a particular topic or theme of interest and served as an opportunity for participants from the various networks to meet within the context of the "network of networks". At the time there was program funding from donor to cover costs of those meetings, this has presumably, run out. Which leads me to ask, can we mobilise funds locally? At least for these gatherings? As they will give a greater element of traction to the organization while ensuring that it continues to remain relevant within the sector. Especially as the melting pot for policy debate.****
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On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 3:41 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu%40yahoo.com> > wrote:****
Joe,
Currently listed number is 690 members from diverse backgrounds of Media, Academia, Govt, Regulator, Telcos(fixed, mobile, wireless). But as you noted not everyone is active -80% are often in read-only mode. That is one reason I thought we needed new thinking and new approaches...
walu.
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From: Joseph Mucheru <mucheru@google.com <http://mc/compose?to=mucheru%40google.com> >****
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...! To: jwalu@yahoo.com <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu%40yahoo.com> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet%40lists.kictanet.or.ke> >****
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I am certainly above 35 and enjoy not only records but also the latest collaboration technologies "Google Hangouts<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QN38vHZjWXw>" I agree that we need to review our aim and strategies but we need to have a representative forum that allows for that to take place. @Brian you know many participant on this list are in read only mode.****
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On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 2:31 PM, Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com <http://mc/compose?to=solo.mburu%40gmail.com> <http://mc/compose?to=solo.mburu@gmail.com <http://mc/compose?to=solo.mburu%40gmail.com> >> wrote:****
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On 12 April 2012 14:26, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk <http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe%40yahoo.co.uk> <http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk <http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe%40yahoo.co.uk> >> wrote:****
Harry,****
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We are ageing, email is loosing is lustre and the new generation hate records and prefer platforms like twitter and facebook.****
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uuummmmm is there a way out of this loop.^C****
I'm below 35, but enjoy keeping records, in addition to facebook and twitter ****
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Ara..!****
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Not many people seriously want to rejuvenate this forum, as per Brian/Walubengo’s suggestion…?****
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Cannot imagine the forum becoming a good case study one day for some thesis student. Whose research titles among others:-****
· “How-to-kill a good forum, kick it into the dustbin and leave it for the dead” ****
· “The rise and rise, and fall and fall of a myriad of many ICT forums in Kenya, the major one being….****
· “How-not-to build structural resilience and offer strategic leadership”. Why the big forum went M.I.A, and petered out..****
· And the final one perhaps, “ Do not repeat the mistakes listed above, time for a RESET..”!****
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Certainly, unless otherwise – we might be headed for such a case study. Not sure if I should patent the titles, just in case..!****
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*From:* kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke%40lists.kictanet.or.ke> <http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke%40lists.kictanet.or.ke> >[mailto: kictanet-bounces+harry <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet-bounces%2Bharry>= comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke%40lists.kictanet.or.ke> <http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke%40lists.kictanet.or.ke> >] *On Behalf Of *Brian Munyao Longwe *Sent:* Thursday, April 12, 2012 12:50 AM *To:* harry@comtelsys.co.ke <http://mc/compose?to=harry%40comtelsys.co.ke> <http://mc/compose?to=harry@comtelsys.co.ke <http://mc/compose?to=harry%40comtelsys.co.ke> > *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...!****
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I think Walu is on the right track. Every organisation for-profit or not, has to reassess it's strategy, relevance, business direction and thrust periodically or risk falling into the shadows.****
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Is it time for KICTAnet to do so?****
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As one of the founders and a trustee I think that the time has come.****
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My 2 shillings,****
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@Wash,
Maybe Delano is insinuating something. Perhaps KICTAnet needs to re-juvinate and re-energize. Bring in new blood and thinking. What do we want from KICTAnet, 8yrs later? What management structures, membership structures, operational, financial structures do we want to see going forward?
Perhaps a brainstorming face2face session is due. I for one have been the moderator since inception and maybe someone else can do a better job and we just have not asked them to come forth. Think about it - I could have run out of ideas or some younger dot.commer <http://dot.com> may just be sitting on better ways of moderation that I have never imagined...
just my 2pings.
walu.
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Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...! To: jwalu@yahoo.com <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu%40yahoo.com> <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu@yahoo.com <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu%40yahoo.com> > Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet%40lists.kictanet.or.ke> <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet%40lists.kictanet.or.ke> >
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On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 14:59, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke <http://mc/compose?to=harry%40comtelsys.co.ke> <http://mc/compose?to=harry@comtelsys.co.ke <http://mc/compose?to=harry%40comtelsys.co.ke> >> wrote:****
I’m not sure which is which, until I see some response on whether we might just as well happen to be drifting along rudderless…!!****
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You mean the post-Easter stupor, or?? ****
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Harry@comtelsys... my "moles" indicate that Dr. Ndemo might be landing into a different time-zone as we type. But am sure he will reboot and get online sooner or later ;-) walu. --- On Mon, 4/16/12, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> wrote: From: Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> Subject: RE: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0 To: "'Walubengo J'" <jwalu@yahoo.com> Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Date: Monday, April 16, 2012, 4:47 PM Really interesting… Probably Bw Ps, this could be the time and moment to make a maiden speech/address, if convenientfor you..? Especially now as we seek way forward. Much appreciate your company. Anyone knows if Bw. Ndemo is still online..? Nonetheless, floor still much open to all, and Grace is taking your calls/views… Bob, actually I thought we had sort of drifted into that ‘stagnation’ mode, hence the concern.. Harry From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Walubengo J Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 1:54 PM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0 @Gilda, the ball is actually in EACH of our courts. I am also humbled by the former PS Murage's testimony. Think about it, this guy was for along time the President's Strategy Advisor - perhaps KICTAnet has had policy impact from the highest levels of this land (we all deserve some some consultancy fee from Govt ;-). But am sure we can make even bigger strides as get more feedback from the membership. I assume GG is moderating, based on her recent summary. Keep the conversation going. walu. --- On Mon, 4/16/12, Gilda Odera <godera@skyweb.co.ke> wrote: From: Gilda Odera <godera@skyweb.co.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0 To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Date: Monday, April 16, 2012, 11:59 AM Joe, I like your suggestion. I agree- let us look at the next 10 years, review where we are, evaluate any shortfalls and come up with possible suggestions. We have evolved but we could be further. As Brian mentioned, this can be taken to the higher level once determined.I'd like to see more than 10 companies winning global competitions (why not?), lower Internet rates with greater speeds, many more innovations (because we have what it takes). My take is that we can do much more- let us up our game.Walu, ball in your court, let us get this going. Kind regards, Gilda----- Original Message ----- From: Joseph Mucheru To: godera@skyweb.co.ke Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 9:42 AMSubject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0 Harry/Gilda Et all, Following this whole discussion I can help but conclude the country have moved to a different stage in the development of the ICT sector. In the past we came together because there were major issues we needed to deal with. The face 2 face was even important to ensure we framed the issues well for the stakeholders.We have a policy framework in place (an evolving one) The market is competitive (call rates and internet rates are low) We are leading in innovations in mobile money globally (mpesa) iHub and other open community spaces are doing well - look at the mlab Content and other funding (Billions of shillings) John Waibochi is winning global competitions with virtual city Cables landed - 4G and evolving etc .... We still have some legacy issues (Telkom and Posta) - But we know there are qualified people dealing with them amongst others Am not saying things are perfect, only that we have not identified an obvious national cross cutting issue to rally everyone around. Konza is a great but most people I have talked to are not clear how to engage (yet they do not want to be left out). May I propose an action for this list. Paint a picture of Kenya's ICT sector in 2020. By this I mean, what do we all think Kenya's ICT sector will/can look like in next 10 years. This will allow each of us to reflect of what we are doing today and how we can impact that vision of tomorrow. Thanks Joe My view is we have exhausted discussions on setting a suitable framework and what we need is to move to the next level On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 7:05 PM, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> wrote:Thanks so much Gilda. Actually, therein lies the conundrum – How to grow the forum potential that we have? How to spur on such a huge base asper Washington’s stats, to a wider participation/engagement for mutual benefit of all, the nation and beyond. Debate hereon the good days can really, really be rich in content at the same time being informative & Educative. Secondly, as Edwin earlier on stated, on those good days when debate – deliberation & conclusions is at its best, weunfortunately do not have mechanisms in place to follow this through with the decision makers – effectively influencing policy. How do we address this..? It won’t just be enough to build up an archive for PhD students out of the Kictanetrepositories.. Let these deliberations make a difference that can count in this country. That is Kictanet.. Harry From: Gilda Odera [mailto:godera@skyweb.co.ke] Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 5:26 PM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0 Hi Harry, I am not too sure the sisters can be any more empowered- short of force feeding really!:)Those who feel strongly about something tend to drop a line.I don't even think it is a gender issue, I am sure if you check out the subscriber base you will find that people are just keeping quiet in the background but picking a lot. How to make it more interactive?My suspicion is that many only read one thread and miss out the main thread of the debate and depending on what a subscriber has responded to, they sometimes "switch off" and do not read any more mails on that topic- in the process missing out on some interesting discussions in between.I think those who have something burning to say will say it anyway. The rest are neither here nor there in the debate so they see no need to comment nor read all the threads.Maybe on each topic the key Government agencies can be requested to always give an opinion- that may generate more participation.And the subject line would ensure it highlights " XXX's position on....".- Just wondering.Glad to read PS Murage's email to Grace- people are indeed reading Kictanet debates. . Gilda Odera----- Original Message ----- From: Harry Delano To: 'Gilda Odera' Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 4:38 PMSubject: RE: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0 Thanks so much Gilda/Grace for your comments. So possibly from your own observation perhaps, how can we make it more interactive and engaging, and attract more participation..? Could it be we need to make the environment a little bit more conducive/friendlier and accommodative enough? My observation is the sisters are usually too silent. Howdo we empower..? Secondly I do note, in its formative years Kictanet actively & professionally ( through representation) engaged a numberof players on the national stage, such us the Ps, CCK, Govt Depts, to shape ICT policy. There have been positive resultsfrom those engagement sessions (kamkunji). That also seems to have faded off..? Any idea..? This is because I have this strong feeling within, that since Kictanet was formed with the express objective to engage on a multi-stakeholder platform, there has never been such a time in its history as now that we need to engage more, and do so collectively. For instance, I thought this would be a time we would be actively engaging on Konza, Cybersecurity, just to name a few… or..? Harry From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Gilda Odera Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 4:08 PM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0 Grace, I think it is a cultural thing here. Many people would rather write directly to you during a debate, as you say below, rather than voice their opinion openly. I am thinking Kenyans are still very shy and scared of being seen to "step on another's toes"- just in case their comment may be going against someone's opinion. Many would rather hide and comment quietly to the person next to them or the person they are close to.I imagine that is why there are still so many things that remain unchanged in the country that could be changed if people came out and voiced their opinions. But the few who write must never feel discouraged as their voices are still being heard and they are impacting on so many. It takes a few people to bring about change. My thoughts. Regards, Gilda ----- Original Message ----- From: Grace Githaiga To: godera@skyweb.co.ke Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 3:36 PMSubject: RE: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0 Spot on Gilda. However, it may be useful to hear from some lurkers as to why they are not active participants of the forum (there is not so much from the sisters :)). Maybe there is something that can be done to allow for more participation? I have for example received comments off-list when I have moderated debates, and my question to those listers is that it would be nice for them to raise the very good comments here on this forum. Again, the aim is to strengthen the forum and have it continue to remain relevant. On another note, I have seen some of our discussions here quoted authoritatively on mainstream media, as well as on social media. Ben Akoh, we look forward to reading the findings of your research. Lets keep this debate live! It is very useful. RgdsGG ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you have the strength to survive, you have the power to succeed. Life is all about choices we make depending upon the situation we are in. Go forth and rule the World!From: godera@skyweb.co.ke Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 14:12:58 +0300 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0 CC: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke To: ggithaiga@hotmail.comLong live Kictanet- as far as I am concerned. Listers, I think we need to remember that just like in any other forum, there are always the very few who engage in discussions while most do the listening. That is typical human behaviour, and it is therefore not odd nor is Kictanet dying because not all subscribed listers are actively participating.Personally, I am quite happy with the forum. And there has been so much to learn and listen to in the various debates- very useful. Regards, Gilda Odera----- Original Message ----- From: Walubengo J To: godera@skyweb.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 12:04 PMSubject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0 Ben This is a powerful testimony. I do also know of a PhD student whose core dataset is the KICTAnet archives. And others who got jobs/scholarships arising from KICTAnet posts. I think these are some of the stories that we want to hear from the "horses" mouth... However, on the flip-side, I think we should also welcome the negative experiences - or challenges as it were - so that we can improve going forward. walu. nb: ave taken the liberty to tweak the subject to include KICTAnet 2.0 --- On Fri, 4/13/12, Ben Akoh <me@benakoh.com> wrote: From: Ben Akoh <me@benakoh.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...! To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Friday, April 13, 2012, 2:17 AMHi All, My name is Ben Akoh and I am one of many lurkers on this list, and on many others. I am not Kenyan, I have visited the country several times, I will be visiting it in the next month, I love it, its people, and have very good friends there. I participated in one of the earlier public forums that helped to shape Kictanet and that fed into the numerous fiber initiatives to which you and most of us now enjoy: directly when we visit the country, and indirectly when we interact with good people like yourselves who continue to pave the way for how public consultation can shape future growth and development. My comments are along three lines: 1. The benefits of lurkers: Being a lurker is not necessary a bad thing. Some of us continue to benefit from this list and learn good practices that inform public policy in many other areas. For instance, the Kictanet model is replicated across several national discussion lists in West Africa and have been suggested as a useful model for public consultation on policy issues. Lurkers benefit through propagate the good dialogues that emanate from this group in other forums beyond yours. See this as Kenya's export to the knowledge and information economy. 2. Questioning is good: Seeking ways through which this forum would become more relevant is also not necessarily a bad thing. Questioning leads to improvement. The day that every member of this group thinks that the list has arrived (group think), is the day it begins to slowly die a death. Thus, a constant review, as someone mentioned, against Kictanet's initial objectives is a good starting point; documenting its progress over the years through careful research (as another person mentioned) is also important. But significant consideration should be given to the medium of delivery and how this is relevant to the context of the times. "The medium is the message" (Marshall McLuhan). The medium should thus respond to the demands of the time. Considerations should be given to those for whom policy is deliberated but who do not have access to deliberate in its present form. 3. Kicktanet is one of several model that works: I am currently finalizing a toolkit (ebook and wiki) of several models that have worked for generating evidence and for seeking consent of those whom policy will affect using case studies of good practice models implemented across the world. Kictanet and this discussion list is featured prominently as one of them. I hope to share the outcome of this research once it has been published. In sum, all these go to say that: 1. The list is useful to both lurkers and active members. 2. Its influence transcends Kenya and contributes to shaping policy and policy consultation beyond its borders. 3. The medium should respond to the dynamic context of communication technologies, and cater to the local context as well as the growing needs of its audience - present and future. It should therefore be shaped accordingly. My two bob. Ben A lurker. On Thu, April 12, 2012 8:59 am, Evans Ikua wrote:
Now that we have to weigh in, I think this is an important list that it serves its purposes well. If it falls silent for some time, then it means that everyone is happy, which is not a bad thing. When its active, it means that people have issues, and they have a good place and forum to air their concerns and opinion relating to the industry.
As for the lurkers, they are also good to have. As someone said, one will always speak out when their area of interest is mentioned and they have an opinion to share.
Regards, Evans
On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 4:49 PM, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> wrote:
Now we talking. Please if you happen to be on this list, but presently on “read-only-mode” ( a new phrase I have learnt),****
please realize you owe it to this noble forum, started by noble people, with noble ideas at least in a way to leave some****
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So can we ensure that this forum carries the flag up higher and make a mark in this land and beyond that we can believe ****
in. Have looked around, do not see any other forum with such broad/diverse membership.****
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*From:* kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] *On Behalf Of *Harry Hare *Sent:* Thursday, April 12, 2012 4:17 PM
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Hey all, there is a strategy document floating somewhere. I think this could be a good place to start – see what has been achieved, what fell by the way side, identify what is still relevant, plug in new ideas and strengthen the network. KICTANet should never be allowed to "kick".****
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*From: *Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com> *Date: *Thu, 12 Apr 2012 15:57:45 +0300 *To: *Harry Hare <harry@africanedevelopment.org> *Cc: *KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Subject: *Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...!****
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If we go back to early discussions about the multi-stakeholder network known as KICTAnet I recall there being a distinction between the mailing list participants, and those stakeholders who would actively engage in KICTAnet "activities".****
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I remember there used to be monthly face-to-face meetings which followed a particular topic or theme of interest and served as an opportunity for participants from the various networks to meet within the context of the "network of networks". At the time there was program funding from donor to cover costs of those meetings, this has presumably, run out. Which leads me to ask, can we mobilise funds locally? At least for these gatherings? As they will give a greater element of traction to the organization while ensuring that it continues to remain relevant within the sector. Especially as the melting pot for policy debate.****
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Joe,
Currently listed number is 690 members from diverse backgrounds of Media, Academia, Govt, Regulator, Telcos(fixed, mobile, wireless). But as you noted not everyone is active -80% are often in read-only mode. That is one reason I thought we needed new thinking and new approaches...
walu.
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From: Joseph Mucheru <mucheru@google.com>****
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...! To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>****
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I am certainly above 35 and enjoy not only records but also the latest collaboration technologies "Google Hangouts<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QN38vHZjWXw>" I agree that we need to review our aim and strategies but we need to have a representative forum that allows for that to take place. @Brian you know many participant on this list are in read only mode.****
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On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 2:31 PM, Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com<http://mc/compose?to=solo.mburu@gmail.com>> wrote:****
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On 12 April 2012 14:26, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk<http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk>> wrote:****
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We are ageing, email is loosing is lustre and the new generation hate records and prefer platforms like twitter and facebook.****
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uuummmmm is there a way out of this loop.^C****
I'm below 35, but enjoy keeping records, in addition to facebook and twitter ****
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*From:* Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke<http://mc/compose?to=harry@comtelsys.co.ke>
*To:* robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk <http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> ****
*Cc:* 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/compose?to=kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>> ****
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Ara..!****
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Not many people seriously want to rejuvenate this forum, as per Brian/Walubengo’s suggestion…?****
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Cannot imagine the forum becoming a good case study one day for some thesis student. Whose research titles among others:-****
· “How-to-kill a good forum, kick it into the dustbin and leave it for the dead” ****
· “The rise and rise, and fall and fall of a myriad of many ICT forums in Kenya, the major one being….****
· “How-not-to build structural resilience and offer strategic leadership”. Why the big forum went M.I.A, and petered out..****
· And the final one perhaps, “ Do not repeat the mistakes listed above, time for a RESET..”!****
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Certainly, unless otherwise – we might be headed for such a case study. Not sure if I should patent the titles, just in case..!****
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*From:* kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke>[mailto: kictanet-bounces+harry <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet-bounces%2Bharry>= comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke>] *On Behalf Of *Brian Munyao Longwe *Sent:* Thursday, April 12, 2012 12:50 AM *To:* harry@comtelsys.co.ke <http://mc/compose?to=harry@comtelsys.co.ke> *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...!****
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I think Walu is on the right track. Every organisation for-profit or not, has to reassess it's strategy, relevance, business direction and thrust periodically or risk falling into the shadows.****
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As one of the founders and a trustee I think that the time has come.****
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On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 6:21 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com<http://mc/compose?to=jwalu@yahoo.com>> wrote:****
@Wash,
Maybe Delano is insinuating something. Perhaps KICTAnet needs to re-juvinate and re-energize. Bring in new blood and thinking. What do we want from KICTAnet, 8yrs later? What management structures, membership structures, operational, financial structures do we want to see going forward?
Perhaps a brainstorming face2face session is due. I for one have been the moderator since inception and maybe someone else can do a better job and we just have not asked them to come forth. Think about it - I could have run out of ideas or some younger dot.commer <http://dot.com> may just be sitting on better ways of moderation that I have never imagined...
just my 2pings.
walu.
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From: Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com<http://mc/compose?to=odhiambo@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...! To: jwalu@yahoo.com <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu@yahoo.com> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/compose?to=kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>
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On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 14:59, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke<http://mc/compose?to=harry@comtelsys.co.ke>> wrote:****
I’m not sure which is which, until I see some response on whether we might just as well happen to be drifting along rudderless…!!****
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From: Gilda Odera <godera@skyweb.co.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0 To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Date: Monday, April 16, 2012, 11:59 AM
Joe, I like your suggestion. I agree- let us look at the next 10 years, review where we are, evaluate any shortfalls and come up with
Walu, ball in your court, let us get this going. Kind regards, Gilda ----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Mucheru To: godera@skyweb.co.ke Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 9:42 AM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0
Harry/Gilda Et all,
Following this whole discussion I can help but conclude the country have moved to a different stage in the development of the ICT sector. In the past we came together because there were major issues we needed to deal with. The face 2 face was even important to ensure we framed the issues well for the stakeholders. * We have a policy framework in place (an evolving one) * The market is competitive (call rates and internet rates are low) * We are leading in innovations in mobile money globally (mpesa) * iHub and other open community spaces are doing well - look at the mlab Content and other funding (Billions of shillings) * John Waibochi is winning global competitions with virtual city * Cables landed - 4G and evolving * etc .... * We still have some legacy issues (Telkom and Posta) - But we know there are qualified people dealing with them amongst others Am not saying things are perfect, only that we have not identified an obvious national cross cutting issue to rally everyone around. Konza is a great but most people I have talked to are not clear how to engage (yet they do not want to be left out).
May I propose an action for this list. Paint a picture of Kenya's ICT sector in 2020. By this I mean, what do we all think Kenya's ICT sector will/can look like in next 10 years.
This will allow each of us to reflect of what we are doing today and how we can impact that vision of tomorrow.
Thanks
Joe
My view is we have exhausted discussions on setting a suitable framework and what we need is to move to the next level
On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 7:05 PM, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> wrote:
Thanks so much Gilda.
Actually, therein lies the conundrum – How to grow the forum potential that we have? How to spur on such a huge base as per Washington’s stats, to a wider participation/engagement for mutual benefit of all, the nation and beyond. Debate here on the good days can really, really be rich in content at the same time being informative & Educative. Secondly, as Edwin earlier on stated, on those good days when debate – deliberation & conclusions is at its best, we unfortunately do not have mechanisms in place to follow this through with the decision makers – effectively influencing policy. How do we address this..? It won’t just be enough to build up an archive for PhD students out of the Kictanet repositories.. Let these deliberations make a difference that can count in this country. That is Kictanet.. Harry From:Gilda Odera [mailto:godera@skyweb.co.ke] Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 5:26 PM
To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0 Hi Harry, I am not too sure the sisters can be any more empowered- short of force feeding really!:) Those who feel strongly about something tend to drop a line. I don't even think it is a gender issue, I am sure if you check out the subscriber base you will find that people are just keeping quiet in the background but picking a lot. How to make it more interactive? My suspicion is that many only read one thread and miss out the main thread of the debate and depending on what a subscriber has responded to, they sometimes "switch off" and do not read any more mails on that topic- in the process missing out on some interesting discussions in between. I think those who have something burning to say will say it anyway. The rest are neither here nor there in the debate so they see no need to comment nor read all the threads. Maybe on each topic the key Government agencies can be requested to always give an opinion- that may generate more participation.And the subject line would ensure it highlights " XXX's position on....".- Just wondering. Glad to read PS Murage's email to Grace- people are indeed reading Kictanet debates. . Gilda Odera ----- Original Message -----
From:Harry Delano To:'Gilda Odera' Cc:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Sent:Friday, April 13, 2012 4:38 PM Subject:RE: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0 Thanks so much Gilda/Grace for your comments. So possibly from your own observation perhaps, how can we make it more interactive and engaging, and attract more participation..? Could it be we need to make the environment a little bit more conducive/friendlier and accommodative enough? My observation is the sisters are usually too silent. How do we empower..? Secondly I do note, in its formative years Kictanet actively & professionally ( through representation) engaged a number of players on the national stage, such us the Ps, CCK, Govt Depts, to shape ICT policy. There have been positive results from those engagement sessions (kamkunji). That also seems to have faded off..? Any idea..? This is because I have this strong feeling within, that since Kictanet was formed with the express objective to engage on a multi-stakeholder platform, there has never been such a time in its history as now that we need to engage more, and do so collectively. For instance, I thought this would be a time we would be actively engaging on Konza, Cyber security, just to name a few… or..? Harry From:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Gilda Odera Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 4:08 PM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0 Grace, I think it is a cultural thing here. Many people would rather write directly to you during a debate, as you say below, rather than voice their opinion openly. I am thinking Kenyans are still very shy and scared of being seen to "step on another's toes"- just in case their comment may be going against someone's opinion. Many would rather hide and comment quietly to the person next to them or the person they are close to. I imagine that is why there are still so many things that remain unchanged in the country that could be changed if people came out and voiced their opinions. But the few who write must never feel discouraged as their voices are still being heard and they are impacting on so many. It takes a few people to bring about change. My thoughts. Regards, Gilda ----- Original Message -----
From:Grace Githaiga To:godera@skyweb.co.ke Cc:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Sent:Friday, April 13, 2012 3:36 PM Subject:RE: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0
Spot on Gilda. However, it may be useful to hear from some lurkers as to why they are not active participants of the forum (there is not so much from the sisters :)). Maybe there is something that can be done to allow for more participation? I have for example received comments off-list when I have moderated debates, and my question to those listers is that it would be nice for them to raise the very good comments here on this forum. Again, the aim is to strengthen the forum and have it continue to remain relevant. On another note, I have seen some of our discussions here quoted authoritatively on mainstream media, as well as on social media. Ben Akoh, we look forward to reading the findings of your research. Lets keep this debate live! It is very useful. Rgds GG
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From: godera@skyweb.co.ke Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 14:12:58 +0300 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0 CC: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke To: ggithaiga@hotmail.com Long live Kictanet- as far as I am concerned. Listers, I think we need to remember that just like in any other forum, there are always the very few who engage in discussions while most do the listening. That is typical human behaviour, and it is therefore not odd nor is Kictanet dying because not all subscribed listers are actively participating. Personally, I am quite happy with the forum. And there has been so much to learn and listen to in the various debates- very useful. Regards, Gilda Odera ----- Original Message -----
From:Walubengo J To:godera@skyweb.co.ke Cc:KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Sent:Friday, April 13, 2012 12:04 PM Subject:Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0 Ben
This is a powerful testimony. I do also know of a PhD student whose core dataset is the KICTAnet archives. And others who got jobs/scholarships arising from KICTAnet posts. I think these are some of the stories that we want to hear from the "horses" mouth...
However, on the flip-side, I think we should also welcome the negative experiences - or challenges as it were - so that we can improve going forward.
walu. nb: ave taken the liberty to tweak the subject to include KICTAnet 2.0
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From: Ben Akoh <me@benakoh.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...! To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Friday, April 13, 2012, 2:17 AM Hi All,
My name is Ben Akoh and I am one of many lurkers on this list, and on many others. I am not Kenyan, I have visited the country several times, I will be visiting it in the next month, I love it, its people, and have very good friends there.
I participated in one of the earlier public forums that helped to shape Kictanet and that fed into the numerous fiber initiatives to which you and most of us now enjoy: directly when we visit the country, and indirectly when we interact with good people like yourselves who continue to pave the way for how public consultation can shape future growth and development.
My comments are along three lines:
1. The benefits of lurkers: Being a lurker is not necessary a bad thing. Some of us continue to benefit from this list and learn good practices that inform public policy in many other areas. For instance, the Kictanet model is replicated across several national discussion lists in West Africa and have been suggested as a useful model for public consultation on policy issues. Lurkers benefit through propagate the good dialogues that emanate from this group in other forums beyond yours. See this as Kenya's export to the knowledge and information economy.
2. Questioning is good: Seeking ways through which this forum would become more relevant is also not necessarily a bad thing. Questioning leads to improvement. The day that every member of this group thinks that the list has arrived (group think), is the day it begins to slowly die a death. Thus, a constant review, as someone mentioned, against Kictanet's initial objectives is a good starting point; documenting its progress over the years through careful research (as another person mentioned) is also important. But significant consideration should be given to the medium of delivery and how this is relevant to the context of the times. "The medium is the message" (Marshall McLuhan). The medium should thus respond to the demands of the time. Considerations should be given to those for whom policy is deliberated but who do not have access to deliberate in its present form.
3. Kicktanet is one of several model that works: I am currently finalizing a toolkit (ebook and wiki) of several models that have worked for generating evidence and for seeking consent of those whom policy will affect using case studies of good practice models implemented across the world. Kictanet and this discussion list is featured prominently as one of them. I hope to share the outcome of this research once it has been published.
In sum, all these go to say that:
1. The list is useful to both lurkers and active members. 2. Its influence transcends Kenya and contributes to shaping policy and policy consultation beyond its borders. 3. The medium should respond to the dynamic context of communication technologies, and cater to the local context as well as the growing needs of its audience - present and future. It should therefore be shaped accordingly.
My two bob.
Ben A lurker.
On Thu, April 12, 2012 8:59 am, Evans Ikua wrote: > Now that we have to weigh in, I think this is an important list that it > serves its purposes well. If it falls silent for some time, then it means > that everyone is happy, which is not a bad thing. When its active, it > means > that people have issues, and they have a good place and forum to air their > concerns and opinion relating to the industry. > > As for the lurkers, they are also good to have. As someone said, one will > always speak out when their area of interest is mentioned and they have an > opinion to share. > > Regards, > Evans > > On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 4:49 PM, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> > wrote: > >> Now we talking. Please if you happen to be on this list, but presently >> on >> “read-only-mode” ( a new phrase I have learnt),**** >> >> please realize you owe it to this noble forum, started by noble people, >> with noble ideas at least in a way to leave some**** >> >> mark…**** >> >> ** ** >> >> So can we ensure that this forum carries the flag up higher and make a >> mark in this land and beyond that we can believe **** >> >> in. Have looked around, do not see any other forum with such >> broad/diverse >> membership.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Let’s keep the ideas coming in..**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Harry**** >> >> ** ** >> >> *From:* kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke >> [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] *On >> Behalf Of *Harry Hare >> *Sent:* Thursday, April 12, 2012 4:17 PM >> >> *To:* harry@comtelsys.co.ke >> *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions >> *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the >> dustbin...!**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Hey all, there is a strategy document floating somewhere. I think this >> could be a good place to start – see what has been achieved, what fell >> by >> the way side, identify what is still relevant, plug in new ideas and >> strengthen the network. KICTANet should never be allowed to "kick".**** >> >> **** >> >> Harry Hare**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Director**** >> >> African eDevelopment Resource Centre**** >> >> PO Box 49475 00100**** >> >> Nairobi, Kenya**** >> >> Tel +254 20 4041646**** >> >> Cel +254 725 650044**** >> >> ** ** >> >> ** ** >> >> *From: *Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com> >> *Date: *Thu, 12 Apr 2012 15:57:45 +0300 >> *To: *Harry Hare <harry@africanedevelopment.org> >> *Cc: *KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> >> *Subject: *Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the >> dustbin...!**** >> >> ** ** >> >> If we go back to early discussions about the multi-stakeholder network >> known as KICTAnet I recall there being a distinction between the mailing >> list participants, and those stakeholders who would actively engage in >> KICTAnet "activities".**** >> >> ** ** >> >> My take is that since there have been no "activities" as such - the >> feeling is that KICTAnet has "kicked" to borrow a phrase from >> @Harry.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> I remember there used to be monthly face-to-face meetings which followed >> a >> particular topic or theme of interest and served as an opportunity for >> participants from the various networks to meet within the context of the >> "network of networks". At the time there was program funding from donor >> to >> cover costs of those meetings, this has presumably, run out. Which leads >> me >> to ask, can we mobilise funds locally? At least for these gatherings? As >> they will give a greater element of traction to the organization while >> ensuring that it continues to remain relevant within the sector. >> Especially >> as the melting pot for policy debate.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Best regards,**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Brian**** >> >> ** ** >> >> On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 3:41 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> >> wrote:**** >> >> Joe, >> >> Currently listed number is 690 members from diverse backgrounds of >> Media, >> Academia, Govt, Regulator, Telcos(fixed, mobile, wireless). But as you >> noted not everyone is active -80% are often in read-only mode. That is >> one >> reason I thought we needed new thinking and new approaches... >> >> walu. >> >> --- On *Thu, 4/12/12, Joseph Mucheru <mucheru@google.com>* wrote:**** >> >> >> From: Joseph Mucheru <mucheru@google.com>**** >> >> >> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the >> dustbin...! >> To: jwalu@yahoo.com >> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" >> <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>**** >> >> Date: Thursday, April 12, 2012, 2:53 PM**** >> >> ** ** >> >> I am certainly above 35 and enjoy not only records but also the latest >> collaboration technologies "Google >> Hangouts<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QN38vHZjWXw>" >> I agree that we need to review our aim and strategies but we need to >> have a >> representative forum that allows for that to take place. @Brian you know >> many participant on this list are in read only mode.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> @Walu/@Washington - can you give us an idea of the number of people >> actively subscribed to the list? Not the names but the number. This will >> be >> a good place to start. Dealing with facts and not guess work.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Thanks**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Joe**** >> >> ** ** >> >> On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 2:31 PM, Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau >> <solo.mburu@gmail.com<http://mc/compose?to=solo.mburu@gmail.com>> >> wrote:**** >> >> ** ** >> >> On 12 April 2012 14:26, robert yawe >> <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk<http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk>> >> wrote:**** >> >> Harry,**** >> >> ** ** >> >> We are ageing, email is loosing is lustre and the new generation hate >> records and prefer platforms like twitter and facebook.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> The responsibility for keeping the forum active remains with those over >> 35 >> year old who unfortunately are trying to fit in with the younger >> crowd.*** >> * >> >> ** ** >> >> uuummmmm is there a way out of this loop.^C**** >> >> >> I'm below 35, but enjoy keeping records, in addition to facebook and >> twitter >> **** >> >> ** ** >> >> Regards **** >> >> **** >> >> Robert Yawe >> KAY System Technologies Ltd >> Phoenix House, 6th Floor >> P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 >> Kenya**** >> >> Tel: +254722511225begin_of_the_skype_highlighting +254722511225 end_of_the_skype_highlighting, +254202010696begin_of_the_skype_highlighting +254202010696 end_of_the_skype_highlighting**** >> ------------------------------ >> >> *From:* Harry Delano >> <harry@comtelsys.co.ke<http://mc/compose?to=harry@comtelsys.co.ke> >> > >> *To:* robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk >> <http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> >> **** >> >> *Cc:* 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' >> <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/compose?to=kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>> >> **** >> >> *Sent:* Thursday, 12 April 2012, 13:55**** >> >> >> *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the >> dustbin...!**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Ara..!**** >> >> **** >> >> Not many people seriously want to rejuvenate this forum, as per >> Brian/Walubengo’s suggestion…?**** >> >> **** >> >> Cannot imagine the forum becoming a good case study one day for some >> thesis student. Whose research titles among others:-**** >> >> · “How-to-kill a good forum, kick it into the dustbin and >> leave >> it for the dead” **** >> >> · “The rise and rise, and fall and fall of a myriad of many >> ICT >> forums in Kenya, the major one being….**** >> >> · “How-not-to build structural resilience and offer strategic >> leadership”. Why the big forum went M.I.A, and petered out..**** >> >> · And the final one perhaps, “ Do not repeat the mistakes >> listed >> above, time for a RESET..”!**** >> >> **** >> >> Certainly, unless otherwise – we might be headed for such a case >> study. >> Not sure if I should patent the titles, just in case..!**** >> >> **** >> >> Harry**** >> >> **** >> >> **** >> >> *From:* >> kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke>[mailto: >> kictanet-bounces+harry <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet-bounces%2Bharry>= >> comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke>] >> *On Behalf Of *Brian Munyao Longwe >> *Sent:* Thursday, April 12, 2012 12:50 AM >> *To:* harry@comtelsys.co.ke <http://mc/compose?to=harry@comtelsys.co.ke> >> *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions >> *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the >> dustbin...!**** >> >> **** >> >> I think Walu is on the right track. Every organisation for-profit or >> not, >> has to reassess it's strategy, relevance, business direction and thrust >> periodically or risk falling into the shadows.**** >> >> **** >> >> Is it time for KICTAnet to do so?**** >> >> **** >> >> As one of the founders and a trustee I think that the time has come.**** >> >> **** >> >> My 2 shillings,**** >> >> **** >> >> Brian**** >> >> On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 6:21 PM, Walubengo J >> <jwalu@yahoo.com<http://mc/compose?to=jwalu@yahoo.com>> >> wrote:**** >> >> @Wash, >> >> Maybe Delano is insinuating something. Perhaps KICTAnet needs to >> re-juvinate >> and re-energize. Bring in new blood and thinking. What do we want from >> KICTAnet, 8yrs later? What management structures, membership structures, >> operational, financial structures do we want to see going forward? >> >> Perhaps a brainstorming face2face session is due. I for one have been >> the >> moderator since inception and maybe someone else can do a better job and >> we >> just have not asked them to come forth. Think about it - I could have >> run >> out of ideas or some younger dot.commer <http://dot.com> may just be >> sitting on better ways of moderation that I have never imagined... >> >> just my 2pings. >> >> walu. >> >> --- On *Wed, 4/11/12, Odhiambo Washington >> <odhiambo@gmail.com<http://mc/compose?to=odhiambo@gmail.com> >> >* wrote:**** >> >> >> From: Odhiambo Washington >> <odhiambo@gmail.com<http://mc/compose?to=odhiambo@gmail.com> >> > >> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the >> dustbin...! >> To: jwalu@yahoo.com <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu@yahoo.com> >> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" >> <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/compose?to=kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> >> > >> Date: Wednesday, April 11, 2012, 3:50 PM**** >> >> **** >> >> **** >> >> On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 14:59, Harry Delano >> <harry@comtelsys.co.ke<http://mc/compose?to=harry@comtelsys.co.ke>> >> wrote:**** >> >> I’m not sure which is which, until I see some response on whether we >> might >> just as well happen to be drifting along rudderless…!!**** >> >> **** >> >> >> You mean the post-Easter stupor, or?? >> **** >> >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> Odhiambo WASHINGTON, >> Nairobi,KE >> +254733744121/+254722743223begin_of_the_skype_highlighting +254722743223 end_of_the_skype_highlighting >> _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ >> I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler. >> [image: cid:image001.png@01CD18CB.53049790]Please consider the >> environment before printing this email. **** >> >> **** >> >> -----Inline Attachment Follows-----**** >> >> _______________________________________________ >> kictanet mailing list >> kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/compose?to=kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> >> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >> >> Unsubscribe or change your options at >> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/jwalu%40yahoo.com >> >> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform >> for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and >> regulation. 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Hi Listers, As a founder Director of KICTANET, I congratulate all of you for this contributions because they truly warm our hearts to know that we have somehow achieved our vision. Robert, let me tell you, you don't know how many times I quote you the way also my mother quotes the announcers in the vernacular radio stations as if she is quoting from the bible even though she has never called in to the radio show discussions. As for those who are proposing revamping, I will say like the incoming World bank president, coming from medicine field he only administers medicine that he has evidence it works and its safe. Show me your evidence for your prescription and I am with you. Charles Nduati CHARLES N. NDUATI GENERAL MANAGER JKUAT ENTERPRISES LTD JOMO KENYATTA UNIVERSITY OF AGRICULTURE AND TECHNOLOGY JUJA MAIN CAMPUS, THIKA P. O. BOX 79324-00200 NAIROBI, KENYA TEL: 254-067-52420 OR 254-067-52711 FAX: 254-067-52438 MOBILE:254-722728815 EMIAL:charlesnduati2002@yahoo.co.uk,cnduati@gmail.com,bm@jkuates.jkuat.ac.ke www.jkuat.ac.ke ________________________________ From: Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> To: charlesnduati2002@yahoo.co.uk Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Sent: Monday, 16 April 2012, 13:54 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0 @Gilda, the ball is actually in EACH of our courts. I am also humbled by the former PS Murage's testimony. Think about it, this guy was for along time the President's Strategy Advisor - perhaps KICTAnet has had policy impact from the highest levels of this land (we all deserve some some consultancy fee from Govt ;-). But am sure we can make even bigger strides as get more feedback from the membership. I assume GG is moderating, based on her recent summary. Keep the conversation going. walu. --- On Mon, 4/16/12, Gilda Odera <godera@skyweb.co.ke> wrote: possible suggestions. We have evolved but we could be further. As Brian mentioned, this can be taken to the higher level once determined.I'd like to see more than 10 companies winning global competitions (why not?), lower Internet rates with greater speeds, many more innovations (because we have what it takes). My take is that we can do much more- let us up our game. please let me know that it went to the wrong person. Thanks. list the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.
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Hi all, At the Vilnius IGF, the "ICTs, the Internet and Sustainable Development: Towards a new paradigm" book (see: http://www.iisd.org/pdf/2010/icts_internet_sd_new_paradigm.pdf) was launched which explored thinking on ICTs and the Internet, and the policies that surround them - both at the local level such as in countries like Kenya or at the global level such as at the international IGF, from a sustainable development perspective. SD touches on three critical pillars of development - Economic, Social and Environmental. The book suggests that these pillars should be explored with a fundamental principle in mind: "Development that meets the needs of the present without compromising the ability of future generations to meet their own needs." This book presents important lessons that can help us adequately and efficiently conceptualize present and future visions for ICTs and the Internet, and policies that concern them. It may be useful as we think about the future of the internet in Kenya. Firstly, I would like to suggest, if it pleases everyone on the list, and our moderator, Grace, to perhaps examine this future thinking process using these pillars of sustainable development - Economic, Social and Environmental. This can be done through asking listers, if they had to conceptualize a vision to meet our present needs in such a way that they do not compromise future needs (for our children) what would be the a) economic, b) social, and c) environmental impacts? Secondly, the book provides a framework for examining future impacts of ICTs/Internet through what it calls the "systemic effects", and there are three of them. The first order (direct) effects are direct and immediate effects of ICTs/Internet on our society, for instance, the direct effect of the Internet on Kenya is the increasing numbers of online business that generate more revenue for the country. The second order (indirect) effects concern the applications of ICTs/Internet to increase efficiencies in other industries. For instance, the Internet can be used to improve the deployment of health services or education, etc. The third order (societal) effect concerns the impacts on ICTs/Internet on changing social and behavioral structures. For instance, the use of the internet to reduce cost and change behaviors through, for example telecommuting, or online shopping. Juxtaposing these systemic effects with the pillars of sustainable development can help us to better define specific approaches and also how to best conceptualize the future of ICTs/Internet in Kenya in a way that Kictanet would like to see, and that encompases those whom the policies will impact but who may not be opportuned to participate. Using this framework, we would refine our question above by asking: What first order, second order and third order effects can ICTs/Internet have now and in the future for: a. Economic sustainability b. Social sustainability c. Environmental sustainability? And what role can Kictanet play to make this happen? Perhaps, this sort of structure can help us discuss systematically and in more depth, and can also ease Grace's job in sequentially documenting our dialogue and thoughts. Thanks again for letting a lurker comment. Best, Ben On 4/17/12 4:53 AM, charles nduati wrote:
Hi Listers,
As a founder Director of KICTANET, I congratulate all of you for this contributions because they truly warm our hearts to know that we have somehow achieved our vision.
Robert, let me tell you, you don't know how many times I quote you the way also my mother quotes the announcers in the vernacular radio stations as if she is quoting from the bible even though she has never called in to the radio show discussions.
As for those who are proposing revamping, I will say like the incoming World bank president, coming from medicine field he only administers medicine that he has evidence it works and its safe.
Show me your evidence for your prescription and I am with you.
Charles Nduati CHARLES N. NDUATI GENERAL MANAGER JKUAT ENTERPRISES LTD JOMO KENYATTA UNIVERSITY OF AGRICULTURE AND TECHNOLOGY JUJA MAIN CAMPUS, THIKA P. O. BOX 79324-00200 NAIROBI, KENYA TEL: 254-067-52420 OR 254-067-52711 FAX: 254-067-52438 MOBILE:254-722728815 EMIAL:charlesnduati2002@yahoo.co.uk,cnduati@gmail.com,bm@jkuates.jkuat.ac.ke www.jkuat.ac.ke ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *From:* Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> *To:* charlesnduati2002@yahoo.co.uk *Cc:* kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke *Sent:* Monday, 16 April 2012, 13:54 *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0
@Gilda,
the ball is actually in EACH of our courts. I am also humbled by the former PS Murage's testimony. Think about it, this guy was for along time the President's Strategy Advisor - perhaps KICTAnet has had policy impact from the highest levels of this land (we all deserve some some consultancy fee from Govt ;-).
But am sure we can make even bigger strides as get more feedback from the membership. I assume GG is moderating, based on her recent summary. Keep the conversation going.
walu.
--- On *Mon, 4/16/12, Gilda Odera /<godera@skyweb.co.ke>/* wrote:
From: Gilda Odera <godera@skyweb.co.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0 To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Date: Monday, April 16, 2012, 11:59 AM
Joe, I like your suggestion. I agree- let us look at the next 10 years, review where we are, evaluate any shortfalls and come up with possible suggestions. We have evolved but we could be further. As Brian mentioned, this can be taken to the higher level once determined.I'd like to see more than 10 companies winning global competitions (why not?), lower Internet rates with greater speeds, many more innovations (because we have what it takes). My take is that we can do much more- let us up our game. Walu, ball in your court, let us get this going. Kind regards, Gilda
----- Original Message ----- *From:* Joseph Mucheru *To:* godera@skyweb.co.ke *Cc:* kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke *Sent:* Saturday, April 14, 2012 9:42 AM *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0
Harry/Gilda Et all,
Following this whole discussion I can help but conclude the country have moved to a different stage in the development of the ICT sector. In the past we came together because there were major issues we needed to deal with. The face 2 face was even important to ensure we framed the issues well for the stakeholders.
* We have a policy framework in place (an evolving one) * The market is competitive (call rates and internet rates are low) * We are leading in innovations in mobile money globally (mpesa) * iHub and other open community spaces are doing well - look at the mlab <http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/MLab++gets+Sh1+31+billion+financial+boost+/-/1248928/1380044/-/t1p59dz/-/index.html> Content and other funding (Billions of shillings) * John Waibochi is winning global competitions with virtual city * Cables landed - 4G and evolving * etc .... * We still have some legacy issues (Telkom and Posta) - But we know there are qualified people dealing with them amongst others
Am not saying things are perfect, only that we have not identified an obvious national cross cutting issue to rally everyone around. Konza is a great but most people I have talked to are not clear how to engage (yet they do not want to be left out).
May I propose an action for this list. Paint a picture of Kenya's ICT sector in 2020. By this I mean, what do we all think Kenya's ICT sector will/can look like in next 10 years.
This will allow each of us to reflect of what we are doing today and how we can impact that vision of tomorrow.
Thanks
Joe
My view is we have exhausted discussions on setting a suitable framework and what we need is to move to the next level
On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 7:05 PM, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> wrote:
Thanks so much Gilda.____ ____ Actually, therein lies the conundrum – How to grow the forum potential that we have? How to spur on such a huge base as____ per Washington’s stats, to a wider participation/engagement for mutual benefit of all, the nation and beyond. Debate here____ on the good days can really, really be rich in content at the same time being informative & Educative.____ ____ Secondly, as Edwin earlier on stated, on those good days when debate – deliberation & conclusions is at its best, we____ unfortunately do not have mechanisms in place to follow this through with the decision makers – effectively influencing ____ policy. How do we address this..? It won’t just be enough to build up an archive for PhD students out of the Kictanet____ repositories.. Let these deliberations make a difference that can count in this country. ____ ____ That is Kictanet..____ ____ Harry____ ____ ____ *From:*Gilda Odera [mailto:godera@skyweb.co.ke] *Sent:* Friday, April 13, 2012 5:26 PM
*To:* harry@comtelsys.co.ke *Cc:* kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0____ ____ Hi Harry,____ ____ I am not too sure the sisters can be any more empowered- short of force feeding really!:)____ Those who feel strongly about something tend to drop a line.____ I don't even think it is a gender issue, I am sure if you check out the subscriber base you will find that people are just keeping quiet in the background but picking a lot.____ ____ How to make it more interactive?____ My suspicion is that many only read one thread and miss out the main thread of the debate and depending on what a subscriber has responded to, they sometimes "switch off" and do not read any more mails on that topic- in the process missing out on some interesting discussions in between.____ I think those who have something burning to say will say it anyway. The rest are neither here nor there in the debate so they see no need to comment nor read all the threads.____ Maybe on each topic the key Government agencies can be requested to always give an opinion- that may generate more participation.And the subject line would ensure it highlights " XXX's position on....".- Just wondering.____ Glad to read PS Murage's email to Grace- people are indeed reading Kictanet debates. ____ .____ ____ Gilda Odera____
----- Original Message ----- ____ *From:*Harry Delano ____ *To:*'Gilda Odera' ____ *Cc:*kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke ____ *Sent:*Friday, April 13, 2012 4:38 PM____ *Subject:*RE: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0____ ____ Thanks so much Gilda/Grace for your comments. So possibly from your own observation perhaps, how can we make ____ it more interactive and engaging, and attract more participation..? Could it be we need to make the environment a little ____ bit more conducive/friendlier and accommodative enough? My observation is the sisters are usually too silent. How____ do we empower..?____ ____ Secondly I do note, in its formative years Kictanet actively & professionally ( through representation) engaged a number____ of players on the national stage, such us the Ps, CCK, Govt Depts, to shape ICT policy. There have been positive results____ from those engagement sessions (kamkunji). That also seems to have faded off..? Any idea..?____ ____ This is because I have this strong feeling within, that since Kictanet was formed with the express objective to engage ____ on a multi-stakeholder platform, there has never been such a time in its history as now that we need to engage more, ____ and do so collectively. For instance, I thought this would be a time we would be actively engaging on Konza, Cyber____ security, just to name a few… or..?____ ____ Harry____ ____ ____ *From:*kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] *On Behalf Of *Gilda Odera *Sent:* Friday, April 13, 2012 4:08 PM *To:* harry@comtelsys.co.ke *Cc:* kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0____ ____ Grace,____ ____ I think it is a cultural thing here. Many people would rather write directly to you during a debate, as you say below, rather than voice their opinion openly. I am thinking Kenyans are still very shy and scared of being seen to "step on another's toes"- just in case their comment may be going against someone's opinion. Many would rather hide and comment quietly to the person next to them or the person they are close to.____ I imagine that is why there are still so many things that remain unchanged in the country that could be changed if people came out and voiced their opinions.But the few who write must never feel discouraged as their voices are still being heard and they are impacting on so many. It takes a few people to bring about change. ____ My thoughts. ____ ____ Regards,____ ____ Gilda____ ____
----- Original Message ----- ____ *From:*Grace Githaiga ____ *To:*godera@skyweb.co.ke ____ *Cc:*kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke ____ *Sent:*Friday, April 13, 2012 3:36 PM____ *Subject:*RE: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0____ ____
Spot on Gilda. However, it may be useful to hear from some lurkers as to why they are not active participants of the forum (there is not so much from the sisters :)). Maybe there is something that can be done to allow for more participation? I have for example received comments off-list when I have moderated debates, and my question to those listers is that it would be nice for them to raise the very good comments here on this forum. Again, the aim is to strengthen the forum and have it continue to remain relevant. ____ ____ On another note, I have seen some of our discussions here quoted authoritatively on mainstream media, as well as on social media. ____ ____ Ben Akoh, we look forward to reading the findings of your research. ____ ____ Lets keep this debate live! It is very useful.____ ____ Rgds____ GG____
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you have the strength to survive, you have the power to succeed. Life is all about choices we make depending upon the situation we are in. Go forth and rule the World!____ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: godera@skyweb.co.ke Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 14:12:58 +0300 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0 CC: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke To: ggithaiga@hotmail.com____ Long live Kictanet- as far as I am concerned.____ ____ Listers,____ ____ I think we need to remember that just like in any other forum, there are always the very few who engage in discussions while most do the listening. That is typical human behaviour, and it is therefore not odd nor is Kictanet dying because not all subscribed listers are actively participating.____ Personally, I am quite happy with the forum. And there has been so much to learn and listen to in the various debates- very useful.____ ____ Regards,____ ____ Gilda Odera____
----- Original Message ----- ____ *From:*Walubengo J ____ *To:*godera@skyweb.co.ke ____ *Cc:*KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions ____ *Sent:*Friday, April 13, 2012 12:04 PM____ *Subject:*Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0____ ____ Ben
This is a powerful testimony. I do also know of a PhD student whose core dataset is the KICTAnet archives. And others who got jobs/scholarships arising from KICTAnet posts. I think these are some of the stories that we want to hear from the "horses" mouth...
However, on the flip-side, I think we should also welcome the negative experiences - or challenges as it were - so that we can improve going forward.
walu. nb: ave taken the liberty to tweak the subject to include KICTAnet 2.0
--- On *Fri, 4/13/12, Ben Akoh /<me@benakoh.com>/* wrote:____
From: Ben Akoh <me@benakoh.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...! To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Friday, April 13, 2012, 2:17 AM____ Hi All,
My name is Ben Akoh and I am one of many lurkers on this list, and on many others. I am not Kenyan, I have visited the country several times, I will be visiting it in the next month, I love it, its people, and have very good friends there.
I participated in one of the earlier public forums that helped to shape Kictanet and that fed into the numerous fiber initiatives to which you and most of us now enjoy: directly when we visit the country, and indirectly when we interact with good people like yourselves who continue to pave the way for how public consultation can shape future growth and development.
My comments are along three lines:
1. The benefits of lurkers: Being a lurker is not necessary a bad thing. Some of us continue to benefit from this list and learn good practices that inform public policy in many other areas. For instance, the Kictanet model is replicated across several national discussion lists in West Africa and have been suggested as a useful model for public consultation on policy issues. Lurkers benefit through propagate the good dialogues that emanate from this group in other forums beyond yours. See this as Kenya's export to the knowledge and information economy.
2. Questioning is good: Seeking ways through which this forum would become more relevant is also not necessarily a bad thing. Questioning leads to improvement. The day that every member of this group thinks that the list has arrived (group think), is the day it begins to slowly die a death. Thus, a constant review, as someone mentioned, against Kictanet's initial objectives is a good starting point; documenting its progress over the years through careful research (as another person mentioned) is also important. But significant consideration should be given to the medium of delivery and how this is relevant to the context of the times. "The medium is the message" (Marshall McLuhan). The medium should thus respond to the demands of the time. Considerations should be given to those for whom policy is deliberated but who do not have access to deliberate in its present form.
3. Kicktanet is one of several model that works: I am currently finalizing a toolkit (ebook and wiki) of several models that have worked for generating evidence and for seeking consent of those whom policy will affect using case studies of good practice models implemented across the world. Kictanet and this discussion list is featured prominently as one of them. I hope to share the outcome of this research once it has been published.
In sum, all these go to say that:
1. The list is useful to both lurkers and active members. 2. Its influence transcends Kenya and contributes to shaping policy and policy consultation beyond its borders. 3. The medium should respond to the dynamic context of communication technologies, and cater to the local context as well as the growing needs of its audience - present and future. It should therefore be shaped accordingly.
My two bob.
Ben A lurker.
On Thu, April 12, 2012 8:59 am, Evans Ikua wrote: > Now that we have to weigh in, I think this is an important list that it > serves its purposes well. If it falls silent for some time, then it means > that everyone is happy, which is not a bad thing. When its active, it > means > that people have issues, and they have a good place and forum to air their > concerns and opinion relating to the industry. > > As for the lurkers, they are also good to have. As someone said, one will > always speak out when their area of interest is mentioned and they have an > opinion to share. > > Regards, > Evans > > On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 4:49 PM, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke <http://mc/compose?to=harry%40comtelsys.co.ke>> > wrote: > >> Now we talking. Please if you happen to be on this list, but presently >> on >> “read-only-mode” ( a new phrase I have learnt),**** >> >> please realize you owe it to this noble forum, started by noble people, >> with noble ideas at least in a way to leave some**** >> >> mark…**** >> >> ** ** >> >> So can we ensure that this forum carries the flag up higher and make a >> mark in this land and beyond that we can believe **** >> >> in. Have looked around, do not see any other forum with such >> broad/diverse >> membership.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Let’s keep the ideas coming in..**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Harry**** >> >> ** ** >> >> *From:* kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke%40lists.kictanet.or.ke> >> [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke%40lists.kictanet.or.ke>] *On >> Behalf Of *Harry Hare >> *Sent:* Thursday, April 12, 2012 4:17 PM >> >> *To:* harry@comtelsys.co.ke <http://mc/compose?to=harry%40comtelsys.co.ke> >> *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions >> *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the >> dustbin...!**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Hey all, there is a strategy document floating somewhere. I think this >> could be a good place to start – see what has been achieved, what fell >> by >> the way side, identify what is still relevant, plug in new ideas and >> strengthen the network. KICTANet should never be allowed to "kick".**** >> >> **** >> >> Harry Hare**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Director**** >> >> African eDevelopment Resource Centre**** >> >> PO Box 49475 00100**** >> >> Nairobi, Kenya**** >> >> Tel +254 20 4041646**** >> >> Cel +254 725 650044**** >> >> ** ** >> >> ** ** >> >> *From: *Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com <http://mc/compose?to=blongwe%40gmail.com>> >> *Date: *Thu, 12 Apr 2012 15:57:45 +0300 >> *To: *Harry Hare <harry@africanedevelopment.org <http://mc/compose?to=harry%40africanedevelopment.org>> >> *Cc: *KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet%40lists.kictanet.or.ke>> >> *Subject: *Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the >> dustbin...!**** >> >> ** ** >> >> If we go back to early discussions about the multi-stakeholder network >> known as KICTAnet I recall there being a distinction between the mailing >> list participants, and those stakeholders who would actively engage in >> KICTAnet "activities".**** >> >> ** ** >> >> My take is that since there have been no "activities" as such - the >> feeling is that KICTAnet has "kicked" to borrow a phrase from >> @Harry.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> I remember there used to be monthly face-to-face meetings which followed >> a >> particular topic or theme of interest and served as an opportunity for >> participants from the various networks to meet within the context of the >> "network of networks". At the time there was program funding from donor >> to >> cover costs of those meetings, this has presumably, run out. Which leads >> me >> to ask, can we mobilise funds locally? At least for these gatherings? As >> they will give a greater element of traction to the organization while >> ensuring that it continues to remain relevant within the sector. >> Especially >> as the melting pot for policy debate.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Best regards,**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Brian**** >> >> ** ** >> >> On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 3:41 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu%40yahoo.com>> >> wrote:**** >> >> Joe, >> >> Currently listed number is 690 members from diverse backgrounds of >> Media, >> Academia, Govt, Regulator, Telcos(fixed, mobile, wireless). But as you >> noted not everyone is active -80% are often in read-only mode. That is >> one >> reason I thought we needed new thinking and new approaches... >> >> walu. >> >> --- On *Thu, 4/12/12, Joseph Mucheru <mucheru@google.com <http://mc/compose?to=mucheru%40google.com>>* wrote:**** >> >> >> From: Joseph Mucheru <mucheru@google.com <http://mc/compose?to=mucheru%40google.com>>**** >> >> >> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the >> dustbin...! >> To: jwalu@yahoo.com <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu%40yahoo.com> >> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" >> <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet%40lists.kictanet.or.ke>>**** >> >> Date: Thursday, April 12, 2012, 2:53 PM**** >> >> ** ** >> >> I am certainly above 35 and enjoy not only records but also the latest >> collaboration technologies "Google >> Hangouts<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QN38vHZjWXw>" >> I agree that we need to review our aim and strategies but we need to >> have a >> representative forum that allows for that to take place. @Brian you know >> many participant on this list are in read only mode.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> @Walu/@Washington - can you give us an idea of the number of people >> actively subscribed to the list? Not the names but the number. This will >> be >> a good place to start. Dealing with facts and not guess work.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Thanks**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Joe**** >> >> ** ** >> >> On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 2:31 PM, Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau >> <solo.mburu@gmail.com <http://mc/compose?to=solo.mburu%40gmail.com><http://mc/compose?to=solo.mburu@gmail.com <http://mc/compose?to=solo.mburu%40gmail.com>>> >> wrote:**** >> >> ** ** >> >> On 12 April 2012 14:26, robert yawe >> <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk <http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe%40yahoo.co.uk><http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk <http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe%40yahoo.co.uk>>> >> wrote:**** >> >> Harry,**** >> >> ** ** >> >> We are ageing, email is loosing is lustre and the new generation hate >> records and prefer platforms like twitter and facebook.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> The responsibility for keeping the forum active remains with those over >> 35 >> year old who unfortunately are trying to fit in with the younger >> crowd.*** >> * >> >> ** ** >> >> uuummmmm is there a way out of this loop.^C**** >> >> >> I'm below 35, but enjoy keeping records, in addition to facebook and >> twitter >> **** >> >> ** ** >> >> Regards **** >> >> **** >> >> Robert Yawe >> KAY System Technologies Ltd >> Phoenix House, 6th Floor >> P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 >> Kenya**** >> >> Tel: +254722511225begin_of_the_skype_highlighting+254722511225end_of_the_skype_highlighting, +254202010696begin_of_the_skype_highlighting+254202010696end_of_the_skype_highlighting**** >> ------------------------------ >> >> *From:* Harry Delano >> <harry@comtelsys.co.ke <http://mc/compose?to=harry%40comtelsys.co.ke><http://mc/compose?to=harry@comtelsys.co.ke <http://mc/compose?to=harry%40comtelsys.co.ke>> >> > >> *To:* robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk <http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe%40yahoo.co.uk> >> <http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk <http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe%40yahoo.co.uk>> >> **** >> >> *Cc:* 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' >> <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet%40lists.kictanet.or.ke><http://mc/compose?to=kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet%40lists.kictanet.or.ke>>> >> **** >> >> *Sent:* Thursday, 12 April 2012, 13:55**** >> >> >> *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the >> dustbin...!**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Ara..!**** >> >> **** >> >> Not many people seriously want to rejuvenate this forum, as per >> Brian/Walubengo’s suggestion…?**** >> >> **** >> >> Cannot imagine the forum becoming a good case study one day for some >> thesis student. Whose research titles among others:-**** >> >> · “How-to-kill a good forum, kick it into the dustbin and >> leave >> it for the dead” **** >> >> · “The rise and rise, and fall and fall of a myriad of many >> ICT >> forums in Kenya, the major one being….**** >> >> · “How-not-to build structural resilience and offer strategic >> leadership”. Why the big forum went M.I.A, and petered out..**** >> >> · And the final one perhaps, “ Do not repeat the mistakes >> listed >> above, time for a RESET..”!**** >> >> **** >> >> Certainly, unless otherwise – we might be headed for such a case >> study. >> Not sure if I should patent the titles, just in case..!**** >> >> **** >> >> Harry**** >> >> **** >> >> **** >> >> *From:* >> kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke%40lists.kictanet.or.ke><http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke%40lists.kictanet.or.ke>>[mailto: >> kictanet-bounces+harry <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet-bounces%2Bharry>= >> comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke%40lists.kictanet.or.ke><http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke%40lists.kictanet.or.ke>>] >> *On Behalf Of *Brian Munyao Longwe >> *Sent:* Thursday, April 12, 2012 12:50 AM >> *To:* harry@comtelsys.co.ke <http://mc/compose?to=harry%40comtelsys.co.ke> <http://mc/compose?to=harry@comtelsys.co.ke <http://mc/compose?to=harry%40comtelsys.co.ke>> >> *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions >> *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the >> dustbin...!**** >> >> **** >> >> I think Walu is on the right track. Every organisation for-profit or >> not, >> has to reassess it's strategy, relevance, business direction and thrust >> periodically or risk falling into the shadows.**** >> >> **** >> >> Is it time for KICTAnet to do so?**** >> >> **** >> >> As one of the founders and a trustee I think that the time has come.**** >> >> **** >> >> My 2 shillings,**** >> >> **** >> >> Brian**** >> >> On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 6:21 PM, Walubengo J >> <jwalu@yahoo.com <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu%40yahoo.com><http://mc/compose?to=jwalu@yahoo.com <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu%40yahoo.com>>> >> wrote:**** >> >> @Wash, >> >> Maybe Delano is insinuating something. Perhaps KICTAnet needs to >> re-juvinate >> and re-energize. Bring in new blood and thinking. What do we want from >> KICTAnet, 8yrs later? What management structures, membership structures, >> operational, financial structures do we want to see going forward? >> >> Perhaps a brainstorming face2face session is due. I for one have been >> the >> moderator since inception and maybe someone else can do a better job and >> we >> just have not asked them to come forth. Think about it - I could have >> run >> out of ideas or some younger dot.commer <http://dot.com> may just be >> sitting on better ways of moderation that I have never imagined... >> >> just my 2pings. >> >> walu. >> >> --- On *Wed, 4/11/12, Odhiambo Washington >> <odhiambo@gmail.com <http://mc/compose?to=odhiambo%40gmail.com><http://mc/compose?to=odhiambo@gmail.com <http://mc/compose?to=odhiambo%40gmail.com>> >> >* wrote:**** >> >> >> From: Odhiambo Washington >> <odhiambo@gmail.com <http://mc/compose?to=odhiambo%40gmail.com><http://mc/compose?to=odhiambo@gmail.com <http://mc/compose?to=odhiambo%40gmail.com>> >> > >> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the >> dustbin...! >> To: jwalu@yahoo.com <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu%40yahoo.com> <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu@yahoo.com <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu%40yahoo.com>> >> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" >> <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet%40lists.kictanet.or.ke><http://mc/compose?to=kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet%40lists.kictanet.or.ke>> >> > >> Date: Wednesday, April 11, 2012, 3:50 PM**** >> >> **** >> >> **** >> >> On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 14:59, Harry Delano >> <harry@comtelsys.co.ke <http://mc/compose?to=harry%40comtelsys.co.ke><http://mc/compose?to=harry@comtelsys.co.ke <http://mc/compose?to=harry%40comtelsys.co.ke>>> >> wrote:**** >> >> I’m not sure which is which, until I see some response on whether we >> might >> just as well happen to be drifting along rudderless…!!**** >> >> **** >> >> >> You mean the post-Easter stupor, or?? >> **** >> >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> Odhiambo WASHINGTON, >> Nairobi,KE >> +254733744121/+254722743223begin_of_the_skype_highlighting+254722743223end_of_the_skype_highlighting >> _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ >> I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler. >> [image: cid:image001.png@01CD18CB.53049790]Please consider the >> environment before printing this email. **** >> >> **** >> >> -----Inline Attachment Follows-----**** >> >> _______________________________________________ >> kictanet mailing list >> kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet%40lists.kictanet.or.ke><http://mc/compose?to=kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet%40lists.kictanet.or.ke>> >> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >> >> Unsubscribe or change your options at >> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/jwalu%40yahoo.com >> >> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform >> for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and >> regulation. 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Thanks Ben and all. I am on the road but will go through your suggestions which are welcome later in the day. In the meantime, let this debate continue. RgdsGG ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you have the strength to survive, you have the power to succeed. Life is all about choices we make depending upon the situation we are in. Go forth and rule the World!
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 21:34:37 -0500 From: me@benakoh.com Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0 CC: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke To: ggithaiga@hotmail.com
Hi all,
At the Vilnius IGF, the "ICTs, the Internet and Sustainable Development: Towards a new paradigm" book (see: http://www.iisd.org/pdf/2010/icts_internet_sd_new_paradigm.pdf) was launched which explored thinking on ICTs and the Internet, and the policies that surround them - both at the local level such as in countries like Kenya or at the global level such as at the international IGF, from a sustainable development perspective.
SD touches on three critical pillars of development - Economic, Social and Environmental. The book suggests that these pillars should be explored with a fundamental principle in mind: "Development that meets the needs of the present without compromising the ability of future generations to meet their own needs." This book presents important lessons that can help us adequately and efficiently conceptualize present and future visions for ICTs and the Internet, and policies that concern them. It may be useful as we think about the future of the internet in Kenya.
Firstly, I would like to suggest, if it pleases everyone on the list, and our moderator, Grace, to perhaps examine this future thinking process using these pillars of sustainable development - Economic, Social and Environmental. This can be done through asking listers, if they had to conceptualize a vision to meet our present needs in such a way that they do not compromise future needs (for our children) what would be the a) economic, b) social, and c) environmental impacts?
Secondly, the book provides a framework for examining future impacts of ICTs/Internet through what it calls the "systemic effects", and there are three of them.
The first order (direct) effects are direct and immediate effects of ICTs/Internet on our society, for instance, the direct effect of the Internet on Kenya is the increasing numbers of online business that generate more revenue for the country.
The second order (indirect) effects concern the applications of ICTs/Internet to increase efficiencies in other industries. For instance, the Internet can be used to improve the deployment of health services or education, etc.
The third order (societal) effect concerns the impacts on ICTs/Internet on changing social and behavioral structures. For instance, the use of the internet to reduce cost and change behaviors through, for example telecommuting, or online shopping.
Juxtaposing these systemic effects with the pillars of sustainable development can help us to better define specific approaches and also how to best conceptualize the future of ICTs/Internet in Kenya in a way that Kictanet would like to see, and that encompases those whom the policies will impact but who may not be opportuned to participate.
Using this framework, we would refine our question above by asking:
What first order, second order and third order effects can ICTs/Internet have now and in the future for:
a. Economic sustainability b. Social sustainability c. Environmental sustainability?
And what role can Kictanet play to make this happen?
Perhaps, this sort of structure can help us discuss systematically and in more depth, and can also ease Grace's job in sequentially documenting our dialogue and thoughts.
Thanks again for letting a lurker comment.
Best, Ben
On 4/17/12 4:53 AM, charles nduati wrote:
Hi Listers,
As a founder Director of KICTANET, I congratulate all of you for this contributions because they truly warm our hearts to know that we have somehow achieved our vision.
Robert, let me tell you, you don't know how many times I quote you the way also my mother quotes the announcers in the vernacular radio stations as if she is quoting from the bible even though she has never called in to the radio show discussions.
As for those who are proposing revamping, I will say like the incoming World bank president, coming from medicine field he only administers medicine that he has evidence it works and its safe.
Show me your evidence for your prescription and I am with you.
Charles Nduati CHARLES N. NDUATI GENERAL MANAGER JKUAT ENTERPRISES LTD JOMO KENYATTA UNIVERSITY OF AGRICULTURE AND TECHNOLOGY JUJA MAIN CAMPUS, THIKA P. O. BOX 79324-00200 NAIROBI, KENYA TEL: 254-067-52420 OR 254-067-52711 FAX: 254-067-52438 MOBILE:254-722728815 EMIAL:charlesnduati2002@yahoo.co.uk,cnduati@gmail.com,bm@jkuates.jkuat.ac.ke www.jkuat.ac.ke ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *From:* Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> *To:* charlesnduati2002@yahoo.co.uk *Cc:* kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke *Sent:* Monday, 16 April 2012, 13:54 *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0
@Gilda,
the ball is actually in EACH of our courts. I am also humbled by the former PS Murage's testimony. Think about it, this guy was for along time the President's Strategy Advisor - perhaps KICTAnet has had policy impact from the highest levels of this land (we all deserve some some consultancy fee from Govt ;-).
But am sure we can make even bigger strides as get more feedback from the membership. I assume GG is moderating, based on her recent summary. Keep the conversation going.
walu.
--- On *Mon, 4/16/12, Gilda Odera /<godera@skyweb.co.ke>/* wrote:
From: Gilda Odera <godera@skyweb.co.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0 To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Date: Monday, April 16, 2012, 11:59 AM
Joe, I like your suggestion. I agree- let us look at the next 10 years, review where we are, evaluate any shortfalls and come up with possible suggestions. We have evolved but we could be further. As Brian mentioned, this can be taken to the higher level once determined.I'd like to see more than 10 companies winning global competitions (why not?), lower Internet rates with greater speeds, many more innovations (because we have what it takes). My take is that we can do much more- let us up our game. Walu, ball in your court, let us get this going. Kind regards, Gilda
----- Original Message ----- *From:* Joseph Mucheru *To:* godera@skyweb.co.ke *Cc:* kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke *Sent:* Saturday, April 14, 2012 9:42 AM *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0
Harry/Gilda Et all,
Following this whole discussion I can help but conclude the country have moved to a different stage in the development of the ICT sector. In the past we came together because there were major issues we needed to deal with. The face 2 face was even important to ensure we framed the issues well for the stakeholders.
* We have a policy framework in place (an evolving one) * The market is competitive (call rates and internet rates are low) * We are leading in innovations in mobile money globally (mpesa) * iHub and other open community spaces are doing well - look at the mlab <http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/MLab++gets+Sh1+31+billion+financial+boost+/-/1248928/1380044/-/t1p59dz/-/index.html> Content and other funding (Billions of shillings) * John Waibochi is winning global competitions with virtual city * Cables landed - 4G and evolving * etc .... * We still have some legacy issues (Telkom and Posta) - But we know there are qualified people dealing with them amongst others
Am not saying things are perfect, only that we have not identified an obvious national cross cutting issue to rally everyone around. Konza is a great but most people I have talked to are not clear how to engage (yet they do not want to be left out).
May I propose an action for this list. Paint a picture of Kenya's ICT sector in 2020. By this I mean, what do we all think Kenya's ICT sector will/can look like in next 10 years.
This will allow each of us to reflect of what we are doing today and how we can impact that vision of tomorrow.
Thanks
Joe
My view is we have exhausted discussions on setting a suitable framework and what we need is to move to the next level
On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 7:05 PM, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> wrote:
Thanks so much Gilda.____ ____ Actually, therein lies the conundrum – How to grow the forum potential that we have? How to spur on such a huge base as____ per Washington’s stats, to a wider participation/engagement for mutual benefit of all, the nation and beyond. Debate here____ on the good days can really, really be rich in content at the same time being informative & Educative.____ ____ Secondly, as Edwin earlier on stated, on those good days when debate – deliberation & conclusions is at its best, we____ unfortunately do not have mechanisms in place to follow this through with the decision makers – effectively influencing ____ policy. How do we address this..? It won’t just be enough to build up an archive for PhD students out of the Kictanet____ repositories.. Let these deliberations make a difference that can count in this country. ____ ____ That is Kictanet..____ ____ Harry____ ____ ____ *From:*Gilda Odera [mailto:godera@skyweb.co.ke] *Sent:* Friday, April 13, 2012 5:26 PM
*To:* harry@comtelsys.co.ke *Cc:* kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0____ ____ Hi Harry,____ ____ I am not too sure the sisters can be any more empowered- short of force feeding really!:)____ Those who feel strongly about something tend to drop a line.____ I don't even think it is a gender issue, I am sure if you check out the subscriber base you will find that people are just keeping quiet in the background but picking a lot.____ ____ How to make it more interactive?____ My suspicion is that many only read one thread and miss out the main thread of the debate and depending on what a subscriber has responded to, they sometimes "switch off" and do not read any more mails on that topic- in the process missing out on some interesting discussions in between.____ I think those who have something burning to say will say it anyway. The rest are neither here nor there in the debate so they see no need to comment nor read all the threads.____ Maybe on each topic the key Government agencies can be requested to always give an opinion- that may generate more participation.And the subject line would ensure it highlights " XXX's position on....".- Just wondering.____ Glad to read PS Murage's email to Grace- people are indeed reading Kictanet debates. ____ .____ ____ Gilda Odera____
----- Original Message ----- ____ *From:*Harry Delano ____ *To:*'Gilda Odera' ____ *Cc:*kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke ____ *Sent:*Friday, April 13, 2012 4:38 PM____ *Subject:*RE: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0____ ____ Thanks so much Gilda/Grace for your comments. So possibly from your own observation perhaps, how can we make ____ it more interactive and engaging, and attract more participation..? Could it be we need to make the environment a little ____ bit more conducive/friendlier and accommodative enough? My observation is the sisters are usually too silent. How____ do we empower..?____ ____ Secondly I do note, in its formative years Kictanet actively & professionally ( through representation) engaged a number____ of players on the national stage, such us the Ps, CCK, Govt Depts, to shape ICT policy. There have been positive results____ from those engagement sessions (kamkunji). That also seems to have faded off..? Any idea..?____ ____ This is because I have this strong feeling within, that since Kictanet was formed with the express objective to engage ____ on a multi-stakeholder platform, there has never been such a time in its history as now that we need to engage more, ____ and do so collectively. For instance, I thought this would be a time we would be actively engaging on Konza, Cyber____ security, just to name a few… or..?____ ____ Harry____ ____ ____ *From:*kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] *On Behalf Of *Gilda Odera *Sent:* Friday, April 13, 2012 4:08 PM *To:* harry@comtelsys.co.ke *Cc:* kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0____ ____ Grace,____ ____ I think it is a cultural thing here. Many people would rather write directly to you during a debate, as you say below, rather than voice their opinion openly. I am thinking Kenyans are still very shy and scared of being seen to "step on another's toes"- just in case their comment may be going against someone's opinion. Many would rather hide and comment quietly to the person next to them or the person they are close to.____ I imagine that is why there are still so many things that remain unchanged in the country that could be changed if people came out and voiced their opinions.But the few who write must never feel discouraged as their voices are still being heard and they are impacting on so many. It takes a few people to bring about change. ____ My thoughts. ____ ____ Regards,____ ____ Gilda____ ____
----- Original Message ----- ____ *From:*Grace Githaiga ____ *To:*godera@skyweb.co.ke ____ *Cc:*kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke ____ *Sent:*Friday, April 13, 2012 3:36 PM____ *Subject:*RE: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0____ ____
Spot on Gilda. However, it may be useful to hear from some lurkers as to why they are not active participants of the forum (there is not so much from the sisters :)). Maybe there is something that can be done to allow for more participation? I have for example received comments off-list when I have moderated debates, and my question to those listers is that it would be nice for them to raise the very good comments here on this forum. Again, the aim is to strengthen the forum and have it continue to remain relevant. ____ ____ On another note, I have seen some of our discussions here quoted authoritatively on mainstream media, as well as on social media. ____ ____ Ben Akoh, we look forward to reading the findings of your research. ____ ____ Lets keep this debate live! It is very useful.____ ____ Rgds____ GG____
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you have the strength to survive, you have the power to succeed. Life is all about choices we make depending upon the situation we are in. Go forth and rule the World!____ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: godera@skyweb.co.ke Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 14:12:58 +0300 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0 CC: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke To: ggithaiga@hotmail.com____ Long live Kictanet- as far as I am concerned.____ ____ Listers,____ ____ I think we need to remember that just like in any other forum, there are always the very few who engage in discussions while most do the listening. That is typical human behaviour, and it is therefore not odd nor is Kictanet dying because not all subscribed listers are actively participating.____ Personally, I am quite happy with the forum. And there has been so much to learn and listen to in the various debates- very useful.____ ____ Regards,____ ____ Gilda Odera____
----- Original Message ----- ____ *From:*Walubengo J ____ *To:*godera@skyweb.co.ke ____ *Cc:*KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions ____ *Sent:*Friday, April 13, 2012 12:04 PM____ *Subject:*Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0____ ____ Ben
This is a powerful testimony. I do also know of a PhD student whose core dataset is the KICTAnet archives. And others who got jobs/scholarships arising from KICTAnet posts. I think these are some of the stories that we want to hear from the "horses" mouth...
However, on the flip-side, I think we should also welcome the negative experiences - or challenges as it were - so that we can improve going forward.
walu. nb: ave taken the liberty to tweak the subject to include KICTAnet 2.0
--- On *Fri, 4/13/12, Ben Akoh /<me@benakoh.com>/* wrote:____
From: Ben Akoh <me@benakoh.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...! To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Friday, April 13, 2012, 2:17 AM____ Hi All,
My name is Ben Akoh and I am one of many lurkers on this list, and on many others. I am not Kenyan, I have visited the country several times, I will be visiting it in the next month, I love it, its people, and have very good friends there.
I participated in one of the earlier public forums that helped to shape Kictanet and that fed into the numerous fiber initiatives to which you and most of us now enjoy: directly when we visit the country, and indirectly when we interact with good people like yourselves who continue to pave the way for how public consultation can shape future growth and development.
My comments are along three lines:
1. The benefits of lurkers: Being a lurker is not necessary a bad thing. Some of us continue to benefit from this list and learn good practices that inform public policy in many other areas. For instance, the Kictanet model is replicated across several national discussion lists in West Africa and have been suggested as a useful model for public consultation on policy issues. Lurkers benefit through propagate the good dialogues that emanate from this group in other forums beyond yours. See this as Kenya's export to the knowledge and information economy.
2. Questioning is good: Seeking ways through which this forum would become more relevant is also not necessarily a bad thing. Questioning leads to improvement. The day that every member of this group thinks that the list has arrived (group think), is the day it begins to slowly die a death. Thus, a constant review, as someone mentioned, against Kictanet's initial objectives is a good starting point; documenting its progress over the years through careful research (as another person mentioned) is also important. But significant consideration should be given to the medium of delivery and how this is relevant to the context of the times. "The medium is the message" (Marshall McLuhan). The medium should thus respond to the demands of the time. Considerations should be given to those for whom policy is deliberated but who do not have access to deliberate in its present form.
3. Kicktanet is one of several model that works: I am currently finalizing a toolkit (ebook and wiki) of several models that have worked for generating evidence and for seeking consent of those whom policy will affect using case studies of good practice models implemented across the world. Kictanet and this discussion list is featured prominently as one of them. I hope to share the outcome of this research once it has been published.
In sum, all these go to say that:
1. The list is useful to both lurkers and active members. 2. Its influence transcends Kenya and contributes to shaping policy and policy consultation beyond its borders. 3. The medium should respond to the dynamic context of communication technologies, and cater to the local context as well as the growing needs of its audience - present and future. It should therefore be shaped accordingly.
My two bob.
Ben A lurker.
On Thu, April 12, 2012 8:59 am, Evans Ikua wrote: > Now that we have to weigh in, I think this is an important list that it > serves its purposes well. If it falls silent for some time, then it means > that everyone is happy, which is not a bad thing. When its active, it > means > that people have issues, and they have a good place and forum to air their > concerns and opinion relating to the industry. > > As for the lurkers, they are also good to have. As someone said, one will > always speak out when their area of interest is mentioned and they have an > opinion to share. > > Regards, > Evans > > On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 4:49 PM, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke <http://mc/compose?to=harry%40comtelsys.co.ke>> > wrote: > >> Now we talking. Please if you happen to be on this list, but presently >> on >> “read-only-mode” ( a new phrase I have learnt),**** >> >> please realize you owe it to this noble forum, started by noble people, >> with noble ideas at least in a way to leave some**** >> >> mark…**** >> >> ** ** >> >> So can we ensure that this forum carries the flag up higher and make a >> mark in this land and beyond that we can believe **** >> >> in. Have looked around, do not see any other forum with such >> broad/diverse >> membership.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Let’s keep the ideas coming in..**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Harry**** >> >> ** ** >> >> *From:* kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke%40lists.kictanet.or.ke> >> [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke%40lists.kictanet.or.ke>] *On >> Behalf Of *Harry Hare >> *Sent:* Thursday, April 12, 2012 4:17 PM >> >> *To:* harry@comtelsys.co.ke <http://mc/compose?to=harry%40comtelsys.co.ke> >> *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions >> *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the >> dustbin...!**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Hey all, there is a strategy document floating somewhere. I think this >> could be a good place to start – see what has been achieved, what fell >> by >> the way side, identify what is still relevant, plug in new ideas and >> strengthen the network. KICTANet should never be allowed to "kick".**** >> >> **** >> >> Harry Hare**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Director**** >> >> African eDevelopment Resource Centre**** >> >> PO Box 49475 00100**** >> >> Nairobi, Kenya**** >> >> Tel +254 20 4041646**** >> >> Cel +254 725 650044**** >> >> ** ** >> >> ** ** >> >> *From: *Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com <http://mc/compose?to=blongwe%40gmail.com>> >> *Date: *Thu, 12 Apr 2012 15:57:45 +0300 >> *To: *Harry Hare <harry@africanedevelopment.org <http://mc/compose?to=harry%40africanedevelopment.org>> >> *Cc: *KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet%40lists.kictanet.or.ke>> >> *Subject: *Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the >> dustbin...!**** >> >> ** ** >> >> If we go back to early discussions about the multi-stakeholder network >> known as KICTAnet I recall there being a distinction between the mailing >> list participants, and those stakeholders who would actively engage in >> KICTAnet "activities".**** >> >> ** ** >> >> My take is that since there have been no "activities" as such - the >> feeling is that KICTAnet has "kicked" to borrow a phrase from >> @Harry.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> I remember there used to be monthly face-to-face meetings which followed >> a >> particular topic or theme of interest and served as an opportunity for >> participants from the various networks to meet within the context of the >> "network of networks". At the time there was program funding from donor >> to >> cover costs of those meetings, this has presumably, run out. Which leads >> me >> to ask, can we mobilise funds locally? At least for these gatherings? As >> they will give a greater element of traction to the organization while >> ensuring that it continues to remain relevant within the sector. >> Especially >> as the melting pot for policy debate.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Best regards,**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Brian**** >> >> ** ** >> >> On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 3:41 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu%40yahoo.com>> >> wrote:**** >> >> Joe, >> >> Currently listed number is 690 members from diverse backgrounds of >> Media, >> Academia, Govt, Regulator, Telcos(fixed, mobile, wireless). But as you >> noted not everyone is active -80% are often in read-only mode. That is >> one >> reason I thought we needed new thinking and new approaches... >> >> walu. >> >> --- On *Thu, 4/12/12, Joseph Mucheru <mucheru@google.com <http://mc/compose?to=mucheru%40google.com>>* wrote:**** >> >> >> From: Joseph Mucheru <mucheru@google.com <http://mc/compose?to=mucheru%40google.com>>**** >> >> >> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the >> dustbin...! >> To: jwalu@yahoo.com <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu%40yahoo.com> >> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" >> <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet%40lists.kictanet.or.ke>>**** >> >> Date: Thursday, April 12, 2012, 2:53 PM**** >> >> ** ** >> >> I am certainly above 35 and enjoy not only records but also the latest >> collaboration technologies "Google >> Hangouts<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QN38vHZjWXw>" >> I agree that we need to review our aim and strategies but we need to >> have a >> representative forum that allows for that to take place. @Brian you know >> many participant on this list are in read only mode.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> @Walu/@Washington - can you give us an idea of the number of people >> actively subscribed to the list? Not the names but the number. This will >> be >> a good place to start. Dealing with facts and not guess work.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Thanks**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Joe**** >> >> ** ** >> >> On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 2:31 PM, Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau >> <solo.mburu@gmail.com <http://mc/compose?to=solo.mburu%40gmail.com><http://mc/compose?to=solo.mburu@gmail.com <http://mc/compose?to=solo.mburu%40gmail.com>>> >> wrote:**** >> >> ** ** >> >> On 12 April 2012 14:26, robert yawe >> <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk <http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe%40yahoo.co.uk><http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk <http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe%40yahoo.co.uk>>> >> wrote:**** >> >> Harry,**** >> >> ** ** >> >> We are ageing, email is loosing is lustre and the new generation hate >> records and prefer platforms like twitter and facebook.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> The responsibility for keeping the forum active remains with those over >> 35 >> year old who unfortunately are trying to fit in with the younger >> crowd.*** >> * >> >> ** ** >> >> uuummmmm is there a way out of this loop.^C**** >> >> >> I'm below 35, but enjoy keeping records, in addition to facebook and >> twitter >> **** >> >> ** ** >> >> Regards **** >> >> **** >> >> Robert Yawe >> KAY System Technologies Ltd >> Phoenix House, 6th Floor >> P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 >> Kenya**** >> >> Tel: +254722511225begin_of_the_skype_highlighting+254722511225end_of_the_skype_highlighting, +254202010696begin_of_the_skype_highlighting+254202010696end_of_the_skype_highlighting**** >> ------------------------------ >> >> *From:* Harry Delano >> <harry@comtelsys.co.ke <http://mc/compose?to=harry%40comtelsys.co.ke><http://mc/compose?to=harry@comtelsys.co.ke <http://mc/compose?to=harry%40comtelsys.co.ke>> >> > >> *To:* robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk <http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe%40yahoo.co.uk> >> <http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk <http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe%40yahoo.co.uk>> >> **** >> >> *Cc:* 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' >> <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet%40lists.kictanet.or.ke><http://mc/compose?to=kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet%40lists.kictanet.or.ke>>> >> **** >> >> *Sent:* Thursday, 12 April 2012, 13:55**** >> >> >> *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the >> dustbin...!**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Ara..!**** >> >> **** >> >> Not many people seriously want to rejuvenate this forum, as per >> Brian/Walubengo’s suggestion…?**** >> >> **** >> >> Cannot imagine the forum becoming a good case study one day for some >> thesis student. Whose research titles among others:-**** >> >> · “How-to-kill a good forum, kick it into the dustbin and >> leave >> it for the dead” **** >> >> · “The rise and rise, and fall and fall of a myriad of many >> ICT >> forums in Kenya, the major one being….**** >> >> · “How-not-to build structural resilience and offer strategic >> leadership”. Why the big forum went M.I.A, and petered out..**** >> >> · And the final one perhaps, “ Do not repeat the mistakes >> listed >> above, time for a RESET..”!**** >> >> **** >> >> Certainly, unless otherwise – we might be headed for such a case >> study. >> Not sure if I should patent the titles, just in case..!**** >> >> **** >> >> Harry**** >> >> **** >> >> **** >> >> *From:* >> kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke%40lists.kictanet.or.ke><http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke%40lists.kictanet.or.ke>>[mailto: >> kictanet-bounces+harry <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet-bounces%2Bharry>= >> comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke%40lists.kictanet.or.ke><http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke%40lists.kictanet.or.ke>>] >> *On Behalf Of *Brian Munyao Longwe >> *Sent:* Thursday, April 12, 2012 12:50 AM >> *To:* harry@comtelsys.co.ke <http://mc/compose?to=harry%40comtelsys.co.ke> <http://mc/compose?to=harry@comtelsys.co.ke <http://mc/compose?to=harry%40comtelsys.co.ke>> >> *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions >> *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the >> dustbin...!**** >> >> **** >> >> I think Walu is on the right track. Every organisation for-profit or >> not, >> has to reassess it's strategy, relevance, business direction and thrust >> periodically or risk falling into the shadows.**** >> >> **** >> >> Is it time for KICTAnet to do so?**** >> >> **** >> >> As one of the founders and a trustee I think that the time has come.**** >> >> **** >> >> My 2 shillings,**** >> >> **** >> >> Brian**** >> >> On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 6:21 PM, Walubengo J >> <jwalu@yahoo.com <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu%40yahoo.com><http://mc/compose?to=jwalu@yahoo.com <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu%40yahoo.com>>> >> wrote:**** >> >> @Wash, >> >> Maybe Delano is insinuating something. Perhaps KICTAnet needs to >> re-juvinate >> and re-energize. Bring in new blood and thinking. What do we want from >> KICTAnet, 8yrs later? What management structures, membership structures, >> operational, financial structures do we want to see going forward? >> >> Perhaps a brainstorming face2face session is due. I for one have been >> the >> moderator since inception and maybe someone else can do a better job and >> we >> just have not asked them to come forth. Think about it - I could have >> run >> out of ideas or some younger dot.commer <http://dot.com> may just be >> sitting on better ways of moderation that I have never imagined... >> >> just my 2pings. >> >> walu. >> >> --- On *Wed, 4/11/12, Odhiambo Washington >> <odhiambo@gmail.com <http://mc/compose?to=odhiambo%40gmail.com><http://mc/compose?to=odhiambo@gmail.com <http://mc/compose?to=odhiambo%40gmail.com>> >> >* wrote:**** >> >> >> From: Odhiambo Washington >> <odhiambo@gmail.com <http://mc/compose?to=odhiambo%40gmail.com><http://mc/compose?to=odhiambo@gmail.com <http://mc/compose?to=odhiambo%40gmail.com>> >> > >> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the >> dustbin...! >> To: jwalu@yahoo.com <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu%40yahoo.com> <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu@yahoo.com <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu%40yahoo.com>> >> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" >> <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet%40lists.kictanet.or.ke><http://mc/compose?to=kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet%40lists.kictanet.or.ke>> >> > >> Date: Wednesday, April 11, 2012, 3:50 PM**** >> >> **** >> >> **** >> >> On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 14:59, Harry Delano >> <harry@comtelsys.co.ke <http://mc/compose?to=harry%40comtelsys.co.ke><http://mc/compose?to=harry@comtelsys.co.ke <http://mc/compose?to=harry%40comtelsys.co.ke>>> >> wrote:**** >> >> I’m not sure which is which, until I see some response on whether we >> might >> just as well happen to be drifting along rudderless…!!**** >> >> **** >> >> >> You mean the post-Easter stupor, or?? >> **** >> >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> Odhiambo WASHINGTON, >> Nairobi,KE >> +254733744121/+254722743223begin_of_the_skype_highlighting+254722743223end_of_the_skype_highlighting >> _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ >> I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler. >> [image: cid:image001.png@01CD18CB.53049790]Please consider the >> environment before printing this email. **** >> >> **** >> >> -----Inline Attachment Follows-----**** >> >> _______________________________________________ >> kictanet mailing list >> kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet%40lists.kictanet.or.ke><http://mc/compose?to=kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet%40lists.kictanet.or.ke>> >> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >> >> Unsubscribe or change your options at >> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/jwalu%40yahoo.com >> >> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform >> for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and >> regulation. 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The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.
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Thanks Ben, for this contribution. Going by the ongoing animated discussion today, we are keeping the spirit to revamp KICTAnet alive, and I suppose a vast majority would agree that we need to strengthen what we have. Opinion may seem diverse, where some wish the list to remain an online lounge for an occasional chat or two (to release steam or vent), some a Knowledge Base, some an ICT ‘watchdog’ to keep policy makers in check. So let’s keep ideas coming in.. But let’s not ever try to muzzle KICTAnet or kill it and dump it in the dustbin, simply because some are bold enough to ask pertinent questions.. This is diversity.. Harry From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Grace Githaiga Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 10:36 AM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0 Thanks Ben and all. I am on the road but will go through your suggestions which are welcome later in the day. In the meantime, let this debate continue. Rgds GG ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you have the strength to survive, you have the power to succeed. Life is all about choices we make depending upon the situation we are in. Go forth and rule the World!
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 21:34:37 -0500 From: me@benakoh.com Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0 CC: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke To: ggithaiga@hotmail.com
Hi all,
At the Vilnius IGF, the "ICTs, the Internet and Sustainable Development: Towards a new paradigm" book (see: http://www.iisd.org/pdf/2010/icts_internet_sd_new_paradigm.pdf) was launched which explored thinking on ICTs and the Internet, and the policies that surround them - both at the local level such as in countries like Kenya or at the global level such as at the international IGF, from a sustainable development perspective.
SD touches on three critical pillars of development - Economic, Social and Environmental. The book suggests that these pillars should be explored with a fundamental principle in mind: "Development that meets the needs of the present without compromising the ability of future generations to meet their own needs." This book presents important lessons that can help us adequately and efficiently conceptualize present and future visions for ICTs and the Internet, and policies that concern them. It may be useful as we think about the future of the internet in Kenya.
Firstly, I would like to suggest, if it pleases everyone on the list, and our moderator, Grace, to perhaps examine this future thinking process using these pillars of sustainable development - Economic, Social and Environmental. This can be done through asking listers, if they had to conceptualize a vision to meet our present needs in such a way that they do not compromise future needs (for our children) what would be the a) economic, b) social, and c) environmental impacts?
Secondly, the book provides a framework for examining future impacts of ICTs/Internet through what it calls the "systemic effects", and there are three of them.
The first order (direct) effects are direct and immediate effects of ICTs/Internet on our society, for instance, the direct effect of the Internet on Kenya is the increasing numbers of online business that generate more revenue for the country.
The second order (indirect) effects concern the applications of ICTs/Internet to increase efficiencies in other industries. For instance, the Internet can be used to improve the deployment of health services or education, etc.
The third order (societal) effect concerns the impacts on ICTs/Internet on changing social and behavioral structures. For instance, the use of the internet to reduce cost and change behaviors through, for example telecommuting, or online shopping.
Juxtaposing these systemic effects with the pillars of sustainable development can help us to better define specific approaches and also how to best conceptualize the future of ICTs/Internet in Kenya in a way that Kictanet would like to see, and that encompases those whom the policies will impact but who may not be opportuned to participate.
Using this framework, we would refine our question above by asking:
What first order, second order and third order effects can ICTs/Internet have now and in the future for:
a. Economic sustainability b. Social sustainability c. Environmental sustainability?
And what role can Kictanet play to make this happen?
Perhaps, this sort of structure can help us discuss systematically and in more depth, and can also ease Grace's job in sequentially documenting our dialogue and thoughts.
Thanks again for letting a lurker comment.
Best, Ben
On 4/17/12 4:53 AM, charles nduati wrote:
Hi Listers,
As a founder Director of KICTANET, I congratulate all of you for this contributions because they truly warm our hearts to know that we have somehow achieved our vision.
Robert, let me tell you, you don't know how many times I quote you the way also my mother quotes the announcers in the vernacular radio stations as if she is quoting from the bible even though she has never called in to the radio show discussions.
As for those who are proposing revamping, I will say like the incoming World bank president, coming from medicine field he only administers medicine that he has evidence it works and its safe.
Show me your evidence for your prescription and I am with you.
Charles Nduati CHARLES N. NDUATI GENERAL MANAGER JKUAT ENTERPRISES LTD JOMO KENYATTA UNIVERSITY OF AGRICULTURE AND TECHNOLOGY JUJA MAIN CAMPUS, THIKA P. O. BOX 79324-00200 NAIROBI, KENYA TEL: 254-067-52420 OR 254-067-52711 FAX: 254-067-52438 MOBILE:254-722728815 EMIAL:charlesnduati2002@yahoo.co.uk,cnduati@gmail.com,bm@jkuates.jkuat.ac.ke www.jkuat.ac.ke ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *From:* Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> *To:* charlesnduati2002@yahoo.co.uk *Cc:* kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke *Sent:* Monday, 16 April 2012, 13:54 *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0
@Gilda,
the ball is actually in EACH of our courts. I am also humbled by the former PS Murage's testimony. Think about it, this guy was for along time the President's Strategy Advisor - perhaps KICTAnet has had policy impact from the highest levels of this land (we all deserve some some consultancy fee from Govt ;-).
But am sure we can make even bigger strides as get more feedback from the membership. I assume GG is moderating, based on her recent summary. Keep the conversation going.
walu.
--- On *Mon, 4/16/12, Gilda Odera /<godera@skyweb.co.ke>/* wrote:
From: Gilda Odera <godera@skyweb.co.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0 To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Date: Monday, April 16, 2012, 11:59 AM
Joe, I like your suggestion. I agree- let us look at the next 10 years, review where we are, evaluate any shortfalls and come up with possible suggestions. We have evolved but we could be further. As Brian mentioned, this can be taken to the higher level once determined.I'd like to see more than 10 companies winning global competitions (why not?), lower Internet rates with greater speeds, many more innovations (because we have what it takes). My take is that we can do much more- let us up our game. Walu, ball in your court, let us get this going. Kind regards, Gilda
----- Original Message ----- *From:* Joseph Mucheru *To:* godera@skyweb.co.ke *Cc:* kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke *Sent:* Saturday, April 14, 2012 9:42 AM *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0
Harry/Gilda Et all,
Following this whole discussion I can help but conclude the country have moved to a different stage in the development of the ICT sector. In the past we came together because there were major issues we needed to deal with. The face 2 face was even important to ensure we framed the issues well for the stakeholders.
* We have a policy framework in place (an evolving one) * The market is competitive (call rates and internet rates are low) * We are leading in innovations in mobile money globally (mpesa) * iHub and other open community spaces are doing well - look at the mlab <http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/MLab++gets+Sh1+31+billion+financial+boost+/-/1248928/1380044/-/t1p59dz/-/index.html> Content and other funding (Billions of shillings) * John Waibochi is winning global competitions with virtual city * Cables landed - 4G and evolving * etc .... * We still have some legacy issues (Telkom and Posta) - But we know there are qualified people dealing with them amongst others
Am not saying things are perfect, only that we have not identified an obvious national cross cutting issue to rally everyone around. Konza is a great but most people I have talked to are not clear how to engage (yet they do not want to be left out).
May I propose an action for this list. Paint a picture of Kenya's ICT sector in 2020. By this I mean, what do we all think Kenya's ICT sector will/can look like in next 10 years.
This will allow each of us to reflect of what we are doing today and how we can impact that vision of tomorrow.
Thanks
Joe
My view is we have exhausted discussions on setting a suitable framework and what we need is to move to the next level
On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 7:05 PM, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> wrote:
Thanks so much Gilda.____ ____ Actually, therein lies the conundrum – How to grow the forum potential that we have? How to spur on such a huge base as____ per Washington’s stats, to a wider participation/engagement for mutual benefit of all, the nation and beyond. Debate here____ on the good days can really, really be rich in content at the same time being informative & Educative.____ ____ Secondly, as Edwin earlier on stated, on those good days when debate – deliberation & conclusions is at its best, we____ unfortunately do not have mechanisms in place to follow this through with the decision makers – effectively influencing ____ policy. How do we address this..? It won’t just be enough to build up an archive for PhD students out of the Kictanet____ repositories.. Let these deliberations make a difference that can count in this country. ____ ____ That is Kictanet..____ ____ Harry____ ____ ____ *From:*Gilda Odera [mailto:godera@skyweb.co.ke] *Sent:* Friday, April 13, 2012 5:26 PM
*To:* harry@comtelsys.co.ke *Cc:* kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0____ ____ Hi Harry,____ ____ I am not too sure the sisters can be any more empowered- short of force feeding really!:)____ Those who feel strongly about something tend to drop a line.____ I don't even think it is a gender issue, I am sure if you check out the subscriber base you will find that people are just keeping quiet in the background but picking a lot.____ ____ How to make it more interactive?____ My suspicion is that many only read one thread and miss out the main thread of the debate and depending on what a subscriber has responded to, they sometimes "switch off" and do not read any more mails on that topic- in the process missing out on some interesting discussions in between.____ I think those who have something burning to say will say it anyway. The rest are neither here nor there in the debate so they see no need to comment nor read all the threads.____ Maybe on each topic the key Government agencies can be requested to always give an opinion- that may generate more participation.And the subject line would ensure it highlights " XXX's position on....".- Just wondering.____ Glad to read PS Murage's email to Grace- people are indeed reading Kictanet debates. ____ .____ ____ Gilda Odera____
----- Original Message ----- ____ *From:*Harry Delano ____ *To:*'Gilda Odera' ____ *Cc:*kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke ____ *Sent:*Friday, April 13, 2012 4:38 PM____ *Subject:*RE: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0____ ____ Thanks so much Gilda/Grace for your comments. So possibly from your own observation perhaps, how can we make ____ it more interactive and engaging, and attract more participation..? Could it be we need to make the environment a little ____ bit more conducive/friendlier and accommodative enough? My observation is the sisters are usually too silent. How____ do we empower..?____ ____ Secondly I do note, in its formative years Kictanet actively & professionally ( through representation) engaged a number____ of players on the national stage, such us the Ps, CCK, Govt Depts, to shape ICT policy. There have been positive results____ from those engagement sessions (kamkunji). That also seems to have faded off..? Any idea..?____ ____ This is because I have this strong feeling within, that since Kictanet was formed with the express objective to engage ____ on a multi-stakeholder platform, there has never been such a time in its history as now that we need to engage more, ____ and do so collectively. For instance, I thought this would be a time we would be actively engaging on Konza, Cyber____ security, just to name a few… or..?____ ____ Harry____ ____ ____ *From:*kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] *On Behalf Of *Gilda Odera *Sent:* Friday, April 13, 2012 4:08 PM *To:* harry@comtelsys.co.ke *Cc:* kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0____ ____ Grace,____ ____ I think it is a cultural thing here. Many people would rather write directly to you during a debate, as you say below, rather than voice their opinion openly. I am thinking Kenyans are still very shy and scared of being seen to "step on another's toes"- just in case their comment may be going against someone's opinion. Many would rather hide and comment quietly to the person next to them or the person they are close to.____ I imagine that is why there are still so many things that remain unchanged in the country that could be changed if people came out and voiced their opinions.But the few who write must never feel discouraged as their voices are still being heard and they are impacting on so many. It takes a few people to bring about change. ____ My thoughts. ____ ____ Regards,____ ____ Gilda____ ____
----- Original Message ----- ____ *From:*Grace Githaiga ____ *To:*godera@skyweb.co.ke ____ *Cc:*kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke ____ *Sent:*Friday, April 13, 2012 3:36 PM____ *Subject:*RE: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0____ ____
Spot on Gilda. However, it may be useful to hear from some lurkers as to why they are not active participants of the forum (there is not so much from the sisters :)). Maybe there is something that can be done to allow for more participation? I have for example received comments off-list when I have moderated debates, and my question to those listers is that it would be nice for them to raise the very good comments here on this forum. Again, the aim is to strengthen the forum and have it continue to remain relevant. ____ ____ On another note, I have seen some of our discussions here quoted authoritatively on mainstream media, as well as on social media. ____ ____ Ben Akoh, we look forward to reading the findings of your research. ____ ____ Lets keep this debate live! It is very useful.____ ____ Rgds____ GG____
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you have the strength to survive, you have the power to succeed. Life is all about choices we make depending upon the situation we are in. Go forth and rule the World!____ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: godera@skyweb.co.ke Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 14:12:58 +0300 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0 CC: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke To: ggithaiga@hotmail.com____ Long live Kictanet- as far as I am concerned.____ ____ Listers,____ ____ I think we need to remember that just like in any other forum, there are always the very few who engage in discussions while most do the listening. That is typical human behaviour, and it is therefore not odd nor is Kictanet dying because not all subscribed listers are actively participating.____ Personally, I am quite happy with the forum. And there has been so much to learn and listen to in the various debates- very useful.____ ____ Regards,____ ____ Gilda Odera____
----- Original Message ----- ____ *From:*Walubengo J ____ *To:*godera@skyweb.co.ke ____ *Cc:*KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions ____ *Sent:*Friday, April 13, 2012 12:04 PM____ *Subject:*Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0____ ____ Ben
This is a powerful testimony. I do also know of a PhD student whose core dataset is the KICTAnet archives. And others who got jobs/scholarships arising from KICTAnet posts. I think these are some of the stories that we want to hear from the "horses" mouth...
However, on the flip-side, I think we should also welcome the negative experiences - or challenges as it were - so that we can improve going forward.
walu. nb: ave taken the liberty to tweak the subject to include KICTAnet 2.0
--- On *Fri, 4/13/12, Ben Akoh /<me@benakoh.com>/* wrote:____
From: Ben Akoh <me@benakoh.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...! To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Friday, April 13, 2012, 2:17 AM____ Hi All,
My name is Ben Akoh and I am one of many lurkers on this list, and on many others. I am not Kenyan, I have visited the country several times, I will be visiting it in the next month, I love it, its people, and have very good friends there.
I participated in one of the earlier public forums that helped to shape Kictanet and that fed into the numerous fiber initiatives to which you and most of us now enjoy: directly when we visit the country, and indirectly when we interact with good people like yourselves who continue to pave the way for how public consultation can shape future growth and development.
My comments are along three lines:
1. The benefits of lurkers: Being a lurker is not necessary a bad thing. Some of us continue to benefit from this list and learn good practices that inform public policy in many other areas. For instance, the Kictanet model is replicated across several national discussion lists in West Africa and have been suggested as a useful model for public consultation on policy issues. Lurkers benefit through propagate the good dialogues that emanate from this group in other forums beyond yours. See this as Kenya's export to the knowledge and information economy.
2. Questioning is good: Seeking ways through which this forum would become more relevant is also not necessarily a bad thing. Questioning leads to improvement. The day that every member of this group thinks that the list has arrived (group think), is the day it begins to slowly die a death. Thus, a constant review, as someone mentioned, against Kictanet's initial objectives is a good starting point; documenting its progress over the years through careful research (as another person mentioned) is also important. But significant consideration should be given to the medium of delivery and how this is relevant to the context of the times. "The medium is the message" (Marshall McLuhan). The medium should thus respond to the demands of the time. Considerations should be given to those for whom policy is deliberated but who do not have access to deliberate in its present form.
3. Kicktanet is one of several model that works: I am currently finalizing a toolkit (ebook and wiki) of several models that have worked for generating evidence and for seeking consent of those whom policy will affect using case studies of good practice models implemented across the world. Kictanet and this discussion list is featured prominently as one of them. I hope to share the outcome of this research once it has been published.
In sum, all these go to say that:
1. The list is useful to both lurkers and active members. 2. Its influence transcends Kenya and contributes to shaping policy and policy consultation beyond its borders. 3. The medium should respond to the dynamic context of communication technologies, and cater to the local context as well as the growing needs of its audience - present and future. It should therefore be shaped accordingly.
My two bob.
Ben A lurker.
Now that we have to weigh in, I think this is an important list that it serves its purposes well. If it falls silent for some time, then it means that everyone is happy, which is not a bad
means that people have issues, and they have a good
concerns and opinion relating to the industry.
As for the lurkers, they are also good to have. As someone said, one will always speak out when their area of interest is mentioned and they have an opinion to share.
Regards, Evans
On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 4:49 PM, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke <http://mc/compose?to=harry%40comtelsys.co.ke>> wrote:
Now we talking. Please if you happen to be on this list, but presently on “read-only-mode” ( a new phrase I have learnt),****
please realize you owe it to this noble forum, started by noble people, with noble ideas at least in a way to leave some****
mark…****
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So can we ensure that this forum carries the flag up higher and make a mark in this land and beyond that we can believe ****
in. Have looked around, do not see any other forum with such broad/diverse membership.****
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Let’s keep the ideas coming in..****
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Harry****
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*From:* kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke%40lists.kictanet.or.ke>
[mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke%40lists.kictanet.or.ke>] *On
Behalf Of *Harry Hare *Sent:* Thursday, April 12, 2012 4:17 PM
*To:* harry@comtelsys.co.ke <http://mc/compose?to=harry%40comtelsys.co.ke> *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...!****
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Hey all, there is a strategy document floating somewhere. I think this could be a good place to start – see what has been achieved, what fell by the way side, identify what is still relevant, plug in new ideas and strengthen the network. KICTANet should never be allowed to "kick".****
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Harry Hare****
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Director****
African eDevelopment Resource Centre****
PO Box 49475 00100****
Nairobi, Kenya****
Tel +254 20 4041646****
Cel +254 725 650044****
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*From: *Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com <http://mc/compose?to=blongwe%40gmail.com>> *Date: *Thu, 12 Apr 2012 15:57:45 +0300 *To: *Harry Hare <harry@africanedevelopment.org <http://mc/compose?to=harry%40africanedevelopment.org>> *Cc: *KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet%40lists.kictanet.or.ke>> *Subject: *Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...!****
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If we go back to early discussions about the multi-stakeholder network known as KICTAnet I recall there being a distinction between the mailing list participants, and those stakeholders who would actively engage in KICTAnet "activities".****
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My take is that since there have been no "activities" as such - the feeling is that KICTAnet has "kicked" to borrow a phrase from @Harry.****
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I remember there used to be monthly face-to-face meetings which followed a particular topic or theme of interest and served as an opportunity for participants from the various networks to meet within the context of the "network of networks". At the time there was
to cover costs of those meetings, this has
me to ask, can we mobilise funds locally? At least for these gatherings? As they will give a greater element of traction to the organization while ensuring that it continues to remain relevant within the sector. Especially as the melting pot for policy debate.****
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Best regards,****
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Brian****
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On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 3:41 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu%40yahoo.com>> wrote:****
Joe,
Currently listed number is 690 members from
Media, Academia, Govt, Regulator, Telcos(fixed, mobile, wireless). But as you noted not everyone is active -80% are often in read-only mode. That is one reason I thought we needed new thinking and new approaches...
walu.
--- On *Thu, 4/12/12, Joseph Mucheru <mucheru@google.com <http://mc/compose?to=mucheru%40google.com>>* wrote:****
From: Joseph Mucheru <mucheru@google.com <http://mc/compose?to=mucheru%40google.com>>****
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...! To: jwalu@yahoo.com <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu%40yahoo.com> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet%40lists.kictanet.or.ke>>****
Date: Thursday, April 12, 2012, 2:53 PM****
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I am certainly above 35 and enjoy not only records but also the latest collaboration technologies "Google
Hangouts<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QN38vHZjWXw>"
I agree that we need to review our aim and strategies but we need to have a representative forum that allows for that to take place. @Brian you know many participant on this list are in read only mode.****
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@Walu/@Washington - can you give us an idea of the number of people actively subscribed to the list? Not the names but the number. This will be a good place to start. Dealing with facts and not guess work.****
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Thanks****
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Joe****
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On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 2:31 PM, Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com <http://mc/compose?to=solo.mburu%40gmail.com><http://mc/compose?to=solo.mburu@gmail.com <http://mc/compose?to=solo.mburu%40gmail.com>>> wrote:****
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On 12 April 2012 14:26, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk <http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe%40yahoo.co.uk><http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk <http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe%40yahoo.co.uk>>> wrote:****
Harry,****
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We are ageing, email is loosing is lustre and the new generation hate records and prefer platforms like twitter and facebook.****
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The responsibility for keeping the forum active remains with those over 35 year old who unfortunately are trying to fit in with the younger crowd.*** *
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uuummmmm is there a way out of this loop.^C****
I'm below 35, but enjoy keeping records, in addition to facebook and twitter ****
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Regards ****
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Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya****
Tel: +254722511225begin_of_the_skype_highlighting+254722511225end_of_the_skype_highlighting, +254202010696begin_of_the_skype_highlighting+254202010696end_of_the_skype_highlighting**** ------------------------------
*From:* Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke <http://mc/compose?to=harry%40comtelsys.co.ke><http://mc/compose?to=harry@comtelsys.co.ke <http://mc/compose?to=harry%40comtelsys.co.ke>>
*To:* robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk <http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe%40yahoo.co.uk> <http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk <http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe%40yahoo.co.uk>> ****
*Cc:* 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet%40lists.kictanet.or.ke><http://mc/compose?to=kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet%40lists.kictanet.or.ke>>> ****
*Sent:* Thursday, 12 April 2012, 13:55****
*Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...!****
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Ara..!****
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Not many people seriously want to rejuvenate
Brian/Walubengo’s suggestion…?****
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Cannot imagine the forum becoming a good case study one day for some thesis student. Whose research titles among others:-****
· “How-to-kill a good forum, kick it into
leave it for the dead” ****
· “The rise and rise, and fall and fall of a myriad of many ICT forums in Kenya, the major one being….****
· “How-not-to build structural resilience and offer strategic leadership”. Why the big forum went M.I.A, and petered out..****
· And the final one perhaps, “ Do not repeat
listed above, time for a RESET..”!****
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Certainly, unless otherwise – we might be
study. Not sure if I should patent the titles, just in case..!****
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Harry****
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I think Walu is on the right track. Every organisation for-profit or not, has to reassess it's strategy, relevance, business direction and thrust periodically or risk falling into the shadows.****
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Is it time for KICTAnet to do so?****
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As one of the founders and a trustee I think
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My 2 shillings,****
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@Wash,
Maybe Delano is insinuating something. Perhaps KICTAnet needs to re-juvinate and re-energize. Bring in new blood and
KICTAnet, 8yrs later? What management structures, membership structures, operational, financial structures do we want to see going forward?
Perhaps a brainstorming face2face session is due. I for one have been the moderator since inception and maybe someone else can do a better job and we just have not asked them to come forth. Think about it - I could have run out of ideas or some younger dot.commer <http://dot.com> may just be sitting on better ways of moderation that I have never imagined...
just my 2pings.
walu.
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I’m not sure which is which, until I see some response on whether we might just as well happen to be drifting along rudderless…!!****
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You mean the post-Easter stupor, or?? ****
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Akoh, Excellent, Without having read the book, we have tried to propagate the message that we can leverage ICTs for sustainable development. This year alone, I have made two different presentations on the similar subject. On economic pillar indeed I am confident that in the next 5 years, it is possible that ICT's impact on other sectors shall lead to some 25% contribution to GDP. This will come out of increased efficiencies on public services and improved productivity in the agricultural sector. In my view development is largely the efficiency levels on utilization of resources in any country. Developing countries are wasteful on use of its resources and that is why we are behind. Consider the fact that we share all of our fruits with animals and birds while at the same time we import the fruit juices from similar resources exported to developed countries. Africa still is importing eggs from developed countries yet we have the capabilities of using technology to know the movement of our resources. Socially we have leveraged technology to enhance democracy throughout the world but we have failed to use it build our own values. No one for example steals funeral funds. Conversely we steal development funds without fear of being isolated by the community. While we understand the underlying fears of death and subsequent values, we seem not to have ascribed any values to deaths we create when we steal development funds. On Environment we have failed. Kenya is a water deficient country. We see all wetlands being reclaimed. We know some sources of water such as Mau, Abadares and Mt. Kenya are under threat but we have never spared a day to discuss this even on this list. We have the technological power to elavate environmental issues to levels attained by Aids campaign but it does not concern us since it is not our personal responsibility. You do not need a scientist to know that the next fights will be on water and not ethnic differences. Already in Northern Kenya we are having problems. The latest CCK data shows that we are increasingly into Internet than we talk on Mobile. This is good and powerful. Let us take up the opportunity and start discussing the future of our water resources and plan for it. We have data and computing capability to develop predictor models that can help humanity in the days to come. It is useless to talk about data centres and computing power if we cannot use that to sustain our future. Regards Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: Ben Akoh <me@benakoh.com> Sender: kictanet-bounces+bitange=jambo.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.keDate: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 21:34:37 To: <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0 Hi all, At the Vilnius IGF, the "ICTs, the Internet and Sustainable Development: Towards a new paradigm" book (see: http://www.iisd.org/pdf/2010/icts_internet_sd_new_paradigm.pdf) was launched which explored thinking on ICTs and the Internet, and the policies that surround them - both at the local level such as in countries like Kenya or at the global level such as at the international IGF, from a sustainable development perspective. SD touches on three critical pillars of development - Economic, Social and Environmental. The book suggests that these pillars should be explored with a fundamental principle in mind: "Development that meets the needs of the present without compromising the ability of future generations to meet their own needs." This book presents important lessons that can help us adequately and efficiently conceptualize present and future visions for ICTs and the Internet, and policies that concern them. It may be useful as we think about the future of the internet in Kenya. Firstly, I would like to suggest, if it pleases everyone on the list, and our moderator, Grace, to perhaps examine this future thinking process using these pillars of sustainable development - Economic, Social and Environmental. This can be done through asking listers, if they had to conceptualize a vision to meet our present needs in such a way that they do not compromise future needs (for our children) what would be the a) economic, b) social, and c) environmental impacts? Secondly, the book provides a framework for examining future impacts of ICTs/Internet through what it calls the "systemic effects", and there are three of them. The first order (direct) effects are direct and immediate effects of ICTs/Internet on our society, for instance, the direct effect of the Internet on Kenya is the increasing numbers of online business that generate more revenue for the country. The second order (indirect) effects concern the applications of ICTs/Internet to increase efficiencies in other industries. For instance, the Internet can be used to improve the deployment of health services or education, etc. The third order (societal) effect concerns the impacts on ICTs/Internet on changing social and behavioral structures. For instance, the use of the internet to reduce cost and change behaviors through, for example telecommuting, or online shopping. Juxtaposing these systemic effects with the pillars of sustainable development can help us to better define specific approaches and also how to best conceptualize the future of ICTs/Internet in Kenya in a way that Kictanet would like to see, and that encompases those whom the policies will impact but who may not be opportuned to participate. Using this framework, we would refine our question above by asking: What first order, second order and third order effects can ICTs/Internet have now and in the future for: a. Economic sustainability b. Social sustainability c. Environmental sustainability? And what role can Kictanet play to make this happen? Perhaps, this sort of structure can help us discuss systematically and in more depth, and can also ease Grace's job in sequentially documenting our dialogue and thoughts. Thanks again for letting a lurker comment. Best, Ben On 4/17/12 4:53 AM, charles nduati wrote:
Hi Listers,
As a founder Director of KICTANET, I congratulate all of you for this contributions because they truly warm our hearts to know that we have somehow achieved our vision.
Robert, let me tell you, you don't know how many times I quote you the way also my mother quotes the announcers in the vernacular radio stations as if she is quoting from the bible even though she has never called in to the radio show discussions.
As for those who are proposing revamping, I will say like the incoming World bank president, coming from medicine field he only administers medicine that he has evidence it works and its safe.
Show me your evidence for your prescription and I am with you.
Charles Nduati CHARLES N. NDUATI GENERAL MANAGER JKUAT ENTERPRISES LTD JOMO KENYATTA UNIVERSITY OF AGRICULTURE AND TECHNOLOGY JUJA MAIN CAMPUS, THIKA P. O. BOX 79324-00200 NAIROBI, KENYA TEL: 254-067-52420 OR 254-067-52711 FAX: 254-067-52438 MOBILE:254-722728815 EMIAL:charlesnduati2002@yahoo.co.uk,cnduati@gmail.com,bm@jkuates.jkuat.ac.ke www.jkuat.ac.ke ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *From:* Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> *To:* charlesnduati2002@yahoo.co.uk *Cc:* kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke *Sent:* Monday, 16 April 2012, 13:54 *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0
@Gilda,
the ball is actually in EACH of our courts. I am also humbled by the former PS Murage's testimony. Think about it, this guy was for along time the President's Strategy Advisor - perhaps KICTAnet has had policy impact from the highest levels of this land (we all deserve some some consultancy fee from Govt ;-).
But am sure we can make even bigger strides as get more feedback from the membership. I assume GG is moderating, based on her recent summary. Keep the conversation going.
walu.
--- On *Mon, 4/16/12, Gilda Odera /<godera@skyweb.co.ke>/* wrote:
From: Gilda Odera <godera@skyweb.co.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0 To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Date: Monday, April 16, 2012, 11:59 AM
Joe, I like your suggestion. I agree- let us look at the next 10 years, review where we are, evaluate any shortfalls and come up with possible suggestions. We have evolved but we could be further. As Brian mentioned, this can be taken to the higher level once determined.I'd like to see more than 10 companies winning global competitions (why not?), lower Internet rates with greater speeds, many more innovations (because we have what it takes). My take is that we can do much more- let us up our game. Walu, ball in your court, let us get this going. Kind regards, Gilda
----- Original Message ----- *From:* Joseph Mucheru *To:* godera@skyweb.co.ke *Cc:* kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke *Sent:* Saturday, April 14, 2012 9:42 AM *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0
Harry/Gilda Et all,
Following this whole discussion I can help but conclude the country have moved to a different stage in the development of the ICT sector. In the past we came together because there were major issues we needed to deal with. The face 2 face was even important to ensure we framed the issues well for the stakeholders.
* We have a policy framework in place (an evolving one) * The market is competitive (call rates and internet rates are low) * We are leading in innovations in mobile money globally (mpesa) * iHub and other open community spaces are doing well - look at the mlab <http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/MLab++gets+Sh1+31+billion+financial+boost+/-/1248928/1380044/-/t1p59dz/-/index.html> Content and other funding (Billions of shillings) * John Waibochi is winning global competitions with virtual city * Cables landed - 4G and evolving * etc .... * We still have some legacy issues (Telkom and Posta) - But we know there are qualified people dealing with them amongst others
Am not saying things are perfect, only that we have not identified an obvious national cross cutting issue to rally everyone around. Konza is a great but most people I have talked to are not clear how to engage (yet they do not want to be left out).
May I propose an action for this list. Paint a picture of Kenya's ICT sector in 2020. By this I mean, what do we all think Kenya's ICT sector will/can look like in next 10 years.
This will allow each of us to reflect of what we are doing today and how we can impact that vision of tomorrow.
Thanks
Joe
My view is we have exhausted discussions on setting a suitable framework and what we need is to move to the next level
On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 7:05 PM, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> wrote:
Thanks so much Gilda.____ ____ Actually, therein lies the conundrum – How to grow the forum potential that we have? How to spur on such a huge base as____ per Washington’s stats, to a wider participation/engagement for mutual benefit of all, the nation and beyond. Debate here____ on the good days can really, really be rich in content at the same time being informative & Educative.____ ____ Secondly, as Edwin earlier on stated, on those good days when debate – deliberation & conclusions is at its best, we____ unfortunately do not have mechanisms in place to follow this through with the decision makers – effectively influencing ____ policy. How do we address this..? It won’t just be enough to build up an archive for PhD students out of the Kictanet____ repositories.. Let these deliberations make a difference that can count in this country. ____ ____ That is Kictanet..____ ____ Harry____ ____ ____ *From:*Gilda Odera [mailto:godera@skyweb.co.ke] *Sent:* Friday, April 13, 2012 5:26 PM
*To:* harry@comtelsys.co.ke *Cc:* kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0____ ____ Hi Harry,____ ____ I am not too sure the sisters can be any more empowered- short of force feeding really!:)____ Those who feel strongly about something tend to drop a line.____ I don't even think it is a gender issue, I am sure if you check out the subscriber base you will find that people are just keeping quiet in the background but picking a lot.____ ____ How to make it more interactive?____ My suspicion is that many only read one thread and miss out the main thread of the debate and depending on what a subscriber has responded to, they sometimes "switch off" and do not read any more mails on that topic- in the process missing out on some interesting discussions in between.____ I think those who have something burning to say will say it anyway. The rest are neither here nor there in the debate so they see no need to comment nor read all the threads.____ Maybe on each topic the key Government agencies can be requested to always give an opinion- that may generate more participation.And the subject line would ensure it highlights " XXX's position on....".- Just wondering.____ Glad to read PS Murage's email to Grace- people are indeed reading Kictanet debates. ____ .____ ____ Gilda Odera____
----- Original Message ----- ____ *From:*Harry Delano ____ *To:*'Gilda Odera' ____ *Cc:*kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke ____ *Sent:*Friday, April 13, 2012 4:38 PM____ *Subject:*RE: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0____ ____ Thanks so much Gilda/Grace for your comments. So possibly from your own observation perhaps, how can we make ____ it more interactive and engaging, and attract more participation..? Could it be we need to make the environment a little ____ bit more conducive/friendlier and accommodative enough? My observation is the sisters are usually too silent. How____ do we empower..?____ ____ Secondly I do note, in its formative years Kictanet actively & professionally ( through representation) engaged a number____ of players on the national stage, such us the Ps, CCK, Govt Depts, to shape ICT policy. There have been positive results____ from those engagement sessions (kamkunji). That also seems to have faded off..? Any idea..?____ ____ This is because I have this strong feeling within, that since Kictanet was formed with the express objective to engage ____ on a multi-stakeholder platform, there has never been such a time in its history as now that we need to engage more, ____ and do so collectively. For instance, I thought this would be a time we would be actively engaging on Konza, Cyber____ security, just to name a few… or..?____ ____ Harry____ ____ ____ *From:*kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] *On Behalf Of *Gilda Odera *Sent:* Friday, April 13, 2012 4:08 PM *To:* harry@comtelsys.co.ke *Cc:* kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0____ ____ Grace,____ ____ I think it is a cultural thing here. Many people would rather write directly to you during a debate, as you say below, rather than voice their opinion openly. I am thinking Kenyans are still very shy and scared of being seen to "step on another's toes"- just in case their comment may be going against someone's opinion. Many would rather hide and comment quietly to the person next to them or the person they are close to.____ I imagine that is why there are still so many things that remain unchanged in the country that could be changed if people came out and voiced their opinions.But the few who write must never feel discouraged as their voices are still being heard and they are impacting on so many. It takes a few people to bring about change. ____ My thoughts. ____ ____ Regards,____ ____ Gilda____ ____
----- Original Message ----- ____ *From:*Grace Githaiga ____ *To:*godera@skyweb.co.ke ____ *Cc:*kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke ____ *Sent:*Friday, April 13, 2012 3:36 PM____ *Subject:*RE: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0____ ____
Spot on Gilda. However, it may be useful to hear from some lurkers as to why they are not active participants of the forum (there is not so much from the sisters :)). Maybe there is something that can be done to allow for more participation? I have for example received comments off-list when I have moderated debates, and my question to those listers is that it would be nice for them to raise the very good comments here on this forum. Again, the aim is to strengthen the forum and have it continue to remain relevant. ____ ____ On another note, I have seen some of our discussions here quoted authoritatively on mainstream media, as well as on social media. ____ ____ Ben Akoh, we look forward to reading the findings of your research. ____ ____ Lets keep this debate live! It is very useful.____ ____ Rgds____ GG____
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you have the strength to survive, you have the power to succeed. Life is all about choices we make depending upon the situation we are in. Go forth and rule the World!____ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: godera@skyweb.co.ke Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 14:12:58 +0300 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0 CC: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke To: ggithaiga@hotmail.com____ Long live Kictanet- as far as I am concerned.____ ____ Listers,____ ____ I think we need to remember that just like in any other forum, there are always the very few who engage in discussions while most do the listening. That is typical human behaviour, and it is therefore not odd nor is Kictanet dying because not all subscribed listers are actively participating.____ Personally, I am quite happy with the forum. And there has been so much to learn and listen to in the various debates- very useful.____ ____ Regards,____ ____ Gilda Odera____
----- Original Message ----- ____ *From:*Walubengo J ____ *To:*godera@skyweb.co.ke ____ *Cc:*KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions ____ *Sent:*Friday, April 13, 2012 12:04 PM____ *Subject:*Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0____ ____ Ben
This is a powerful testimony. I do also know of a PhD student whose core dataset is the KICTAnet archives. And others who got jobs/scholarships arising from KICTAnet posts. I think these are some of the stories that we want to hear from the "horses" mouth...
However, on the flip-side, I think we should also welcome the negative experiences - or challenges as it were - so that we can improve going forward.
walu. nb: ave taken the liberty to tweak the subject to include KICTAnet 2.0
--- On *Fri, 4/13/12, Ben Akoh /<me@benakoh.com>/* wrote:____
From: Ben Akoh <me@benakoh.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...! To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Friday, April 13, 2012, 2:17 AM____ Hi All,
My name is Ben Akoh and I am one of many lurkers on this list, and on many others. I am not Kenyan, I have visited the country several times, I will be visiting it in the next month, I love it, its people, and have very good friends there.
I participated in one of the earlier public forums that helped to shape Kictanet and that fed into the numerous fiber initiatives to which you and most of us now enjoy: directly when we visit the country, and indirectly when we interact with good people like yourselves who continue to pave the way for how public consultation can shape future growth and development.
My comments are along three lines:
1. The benefits of lurkers: Being a lurker is not necessary a bad thing. Some of us continue to benefit from this list and learn good practices that inform public policy in many other areas. For instance, the Kictanet model is replicated across several national discussion lists in West Africa and have been suggested as a useful model for public consultation on policy issues. Lurkers benefit through propagate the good dialogues that emanate from this group in other forums beyond yours. See this as Kenya's export to the knowledge and information economy.
2. Questioning is good: Seeking ways through which this forum would become more relevant is also not necessarily a bad thing. Questioning leads to improvement. The day that every member of this group thinks that the list has arrived (group think), is the day it begins to slowly die a death. Thus, a constant review, as someone mentioned, against Kictanet's initial objectives is a good starting point; documenting its progress over the years through careful research (as another person mentioned) is also important. But significant consideration should be given to the medium of delivery and how this is relevant to the context of the times. "The medium is the message" (Marshall McLuhan). The medium should thus respond to the demands of the time. Considerations should be given to those for whom policy is deliberated but who do not have access to deliberate in its present form.
3. Kicktanet is one of several model that works: I am currently finalizing a toolkit (ebook and wiki) of several models that have worked for generating evidence and for seeking consent of those whom policy will affect using case studies of good practice models implemented across the world. Kictanet and this discussion list is featured prominently as one of them. I hope to share the outcome of this research once it has been published.
In sum, all these go to say that:
1. The list is useful to both lurkers and active members. 2. Its influence transcends Kenya and contributes to shaping policy and policy consultation beyond its borders. 3. The medium should respond to the dynamic context of communication technologies, and cater to the local context as well as the growing needs of its audience - present and future. It should therefore be shaped accordingly.
My two bob.
Ben A lurker.
On Thu, April 12, 2012 8:59 am, Evans Ikua wrote: > Now that we have to weigh in, I think this is an important list that it > serves its purposes well. If it falls silent for some time, then it means > that everyone is happy, which is not a bad thing. When its active, it > means > that people have issues, and they have a good place and forum to air their > concerns and opinion relating to the industry. > > As for the lurkers, they are also good to have. As someone said, one will > always speak out when their area of interest is mentioned and they have an > opinion to share. > > Regards, > Evans > > On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 4:49 PM, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke <http://mc/compose?to=harry%40comtelsys.co.ke>> > wrote: > >> Now we talking. Please if you happen to be on this list, but presently >> on >> “read-only-mode” ( a new phrase I have learnt),**** >> >> please realize you owe it to this noble forum, started by noble people, >> with noble ideas at least in a way to leave some**** >> >> mark…**** >> >> ** ** >> >> So can we ensure that this forum carries the flag up higher and make a >> mark in this land and beyond that we can believe **** >> >> in. Have looked around, do not see any other forum with such >> broad/diverse >> membership.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Let’s keep the ideas coming in..**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Harry**** >> >> ** ** >> >> *From:* kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke%40lists.kictanet.or.ke> >> [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke%40lists.kictanet.or.ke>] *On >> Behalf Of *Harry Hare >> *Sent:* Thursday, April 12, 2012 4:17 PM >> >> *To:* harry@comtelsys.co.ke <http://mc/compose?to=harry%40comtelsys.co.ke> >> *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions >> *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the >> dustbin...!**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Hey all, there is a strategy document floating somewhere. I think this >> could be a good place to start – see what has been achieved, what fell >> by >> the way side, identify what is still relevant, plug in new ideas and >> strengthen the network. KICTANet should never be allowed to "kick".**** >> >> **** >> >> Harry Hare**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Director**** >> >> African eDevelopment Resource Centre**** >> >> PO Box 49475 00100**** >> >> Nairobi, Kenya**** >> >> Tel +254 20 4041646**** >> >> Cel +254 725 650044**** >> >> ** ** >> >> ** ** >> >> *From: *Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com <http://mc/compose?to=blongwe%40gmail.com>> >> *Date: *Thu, 12 Apr 2012 15:57:45 +0300 >> *To: *Harry Hare <harry@africanedevelopment.org <http://mc/compose?to=harry%40africanedevelopment.org>> >> *Cc: *KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet%40lists.kictanet.or.ke>> >> *Subject: *Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the >> dustbin...!**** >> >> ** ** >> >> If we go back to early discussions about the multi-stakeholder network >> known as KICTAnet I recall there being a distinction between the mailing >> list participants, and those stakeholders who would actively engage in >> KICTAnet "activities".**** >> >> ** ** >> >> My take is that since there have been no "activities" as such - the >> feeling is that KICTAnet has "kicked" to borrow a phrase from >> @Harry.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> I remember there used to be monthly face-to-face meetings which followed >> a >> particular topic or theme of interest and served as an opportunity for >> participants from the various networks to meet within the context of the >> "network of networks". At the time there was program funding from donor >> to >> cover costs of those meetings, this has presumably, run out. Which leads >> me >> to ask, can we mobilise funds locally? At least for these gatherings? As >> they will give a greater element of traction to the organization while >> ensuring that it continues to remain relevant within the sector. >> Especially >> as the melting pot for policy debate.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Best regards,**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Brian**** >> >> ** ** >> >> On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 3:41 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu%40yahoo.com>> >> wrote:**** >> >> Joe, >> >> Currently listed number is 690 members from diverse backgrounds of >> Media, >> Academia, Govt, Regulator, Telcos(fixed, mobile, wireless). But as you >> noted not everyone is active -80% are often in read-only mode. That is >> one >> reason I thought we needed new thinking and new approaches... >> >> walu. >> >> --- On *Thu, 4/12/12, Joseph Mucheru <mucheru@google.com <http://mc/compose?to=mucheru%40google.com>>* wrote:**** >> >> >> From: Joseph Mucheru <mucheru@google.com <http://mc/compose?to=mucheru%40google.com>>**** >> >> >> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the >> dustbin...! >> To: jwalu@yahoo.com <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu%40yahoo.com> >> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" >> <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet%40lists.kictanet.or.ke>>**** >> >> Date: Thursday, April 12, 2012, 2:53 PM**** >> >> ** ** >> >> I am certainly above 35 and enjoy not only records but also the latest >> collaboration technologies "Google >> Hangouts<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QN38vHZjWXw>" >> I agree that we need to review our aim and strategies but we need to >> have a >> representative forum that allows for that to take place. @Brian you know >> many participant on this list are in read only mode.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> @Walu/@Washington - can you give us an idea of the number of people >> actively subscribed to the list? Not the names but the number. This will >> be >> a good place to start. Dealing with facts and not guess work.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Thanks**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Joe**** >> >> ** ** >> >> On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 2:31 PM, Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau >> <solo.mburu@gmail.com <http://mc/compose?to=solo.mburu%40gmail.com><http://mc/compose?to=solo.mburu@gmail.com <http://mc/compose?to=solo.mburu%40gmail.com>>> >> wrote:**** >> >> ** ** >> >> On 12 April 2012 14:26, robert yawe >> <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk <http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe%40yahoo.co.uk><http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk <http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe%40yahoo.co.uk>>> >> wrote:**** >> >> Harry,**** >> >> ** ** >> >> We are ageing, email is loosing is lustre and the new generation hate >> records and prefer platforms like twitter and facebook.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> The responsibility for keeping the forum active remains with those over >> 35 >> year old who unfortunately are trying to fit in with the younger >> crowd.*** >> * >> >> ** ** >> >> uuummmmm is there a way out of this loop.^C**** >> >> >> I'm below 35, but enjoy keeping records, in addition to facebook and >> twitter >> **** >> >> ** ** >> >> Regards **** >> >> **** >> >> Robert Yawe >> KAY System Technologies Ltd >> Phoenix House, 6th Floor >> P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 >> Kenya**** >> >> Tel: +254722511225begin_of_the_skype_highlighting+254722511225end_of_the_skype_highlighting, +254202010696begin_of_the_skype_highlighting+254202010696end_of_the_skype_highlighting**** >> ------------------------------ >> >> *From:* Harry Delano >> <harry@comtelsys.co.ke <http://mc/compose?to=harry%40comtelsys.co.ke><http://mc/compose?to=harry@comtelsys.co.ke <http://mc/compose?to=harry%40comtelsys.co.ke>> >> > >> *To:* robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk <http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe%40yahoo.co.uk> >> <http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk <http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe%40yahoo.co.uk>> >> **** >> >> *Cc:* 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' >> <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet%40lists.kictanet.or.ke><http://mc/compose?to=kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet%40lists.kictanet.or.ke>>> >> **** >> >> *Sent:* Thursday, 12 April 2012, 13:55**** >> >> >> *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the >> dustbin...!**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Ara..!**** >> >> **** >> >> Not many people seriously want to rejuvenate this forum, as per >> Brian/Walubengo’s suggestion…?**** >> >> **** >> >> Cannot imagine the forum becoming a good case study one day for some >> thesis student. Whose research titles among others:-**** >> >> · “How-to-kill a good forum, kick it into the dustbin and >> leave >> it for the dead” **** >> >> · “The rise and rise, and fall and fall of a myriad of many >> ICT >> forums in Kenya, the major one being….**** >> >> · “How-not-to build structural resilience and offer strategic >> leadership”. Why the big forum went M.I.A, and petered out..**** >> >> · And the final one perhaps, “ Do not repeat the mistakes >> listed >> above, time for a RESET..”!**** >> >> **** >> >> Certainly, unless otherwise – we might be headed for such a case >> study. >> Not sure if I should patent the titles, just in case..!**** >> >> **** >> >> Harry**** >> >> **** >> >> **** >> >> *From:* >> kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke%40lists.kictanet.or.ke><http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke%40lists.kictanet.or.ke>>[mailto: >> kictanet-bounces+harry <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet-bounces%2Bharry>= >> comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke%40lists.kictanet.or.ke><http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke%40lists.kictanet.or.ke>>] >> *On Behalf Of *Brian Munyao Longwe >> *Sent:* Thursday, April 12, 2012 12:50 AM >> *To:* harry@comtelsys.co.ke <http://mc/compose?to=harry%40comtelsys.co.ke> <http://mc/compose?to=harry@comtelsys.co.ke <http://mc/compose?to=harry%40comtelsys.co.ke>> >> *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions >> *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the >> dustbin...!**** >> >> **** >> >> I think Walu is on the right track. Every organisation for-profit or >> not, >> has to reassess it's strategy, relevance, business direction and thrust >> periodically or risk falling into the shadows.**** >> >> **** >> >> Is it time for KICTAnet to do so?**** >> >> **** >> >> As one of the founders and a trustee I think that the time has come.**** >> >> **** >> >> My 2 shillings,**** >> >> **** >> >> Brian**** >> >> On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 6:21 PM, Walubengo J >> <jwalu@yahoo.com <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu%40yahoo.com><http://mc/compose?to=jwalu@yahoo.com <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu%40yahoo.com>>> >> wrote:**** >> >> @Wash, >> >> Maybe Delano is insinuating something. Perhaps KICTAnet needs to >> re-juvinate >> and re-energize. Bring in new blood and thinking. What do we want from >> KICTAnet, 8yrs later? What management structures, membership structures, >> operational, financial structures do we want to see going forward? >> >> Perhaps a brainstorming face2face session is due. I for one have been >> the >> moderator since inception and maybe someone else can do a better job and >> we >> just have not asked them to come forth. Think about it - I could have >> run >> out of ideas or some younger dot.commer <http://dot.com> may just be >> sitting on better ways of moderation that I have never imagined... >> >> just my 2pings. >> >> walu. >> >> --- On *Wed, 4/11/12, Odhiambo Washington >> <odhiambo@gmail.com <http://mc/compose?to=odhiambo%40gmail.com><http://mc/compose?to=odhiambo@gmail.com <http://mc/compose?to=odhiambo%40gmail.com>> >> >* wrote:**** >> >> >> From: Odhiambo Washington >> <odhiambo@gmail.com <http://mc/compose?to=odhiambo%40gmail.com><http://mc/compose?to=odhiambo@gmail.com <http://mc/compose?to=odhiambo%40gmail.com>> >> > >> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the >> dustbin...! >> To: jwalu@yahoo.com <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu%40yahoo.com> <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu@yahoo.com <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu%40yahoo.com>> >> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" >> <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet%40lists.kictanet.or.ke><http://mc/compose?to=kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet%40lists.kictanet.or.ke>> >> > >> Date: Wednesday, April 11, 2012, 3:50 PM**** >> >> **** >> >> **** >> >> On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 14:59, Harry Delano >> <harry@comtelsys.co.ke <http://mc/compose?to=harry%40comtelsys.co.ke><http://mc/compose?to=harry@comtelsys.co.ke <http://mc/compose?to=harry%40comtelsys.co.ke>>> >> wrote:**** >> >> I’m not sure which is which, until I see some response on whether we >> might >> just as well happen to be drifting along rudderless…!!**** >> >> **** >> >> >> You mean the post-Easter stupor, or?? >> **** >> >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> Odhiambo WASHINGTON, >> Nairobi,KE >> +254733744121/+254722743223begin_of_the_skype_highlighting+254722743223end_of_the_skype_highlighting >> _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ >> I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler. >> [image: cid:image001.png@01CD18CB.53049790]Please consider the >> environment before printing this email. **** >> >> **** >> >> -----Inline Attachment Follows-----**** >> >> _______________________________________________ >> kictanet mailing list >> kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet%40lists.kictanet.or.ke><http://mc/compose?to=kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet%40lists.kictanet.or.ke>> >> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >> >> Unsubscribe or change your options at >> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/jwalu%40yahoo.com >> >> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform >> for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and >> regulation. 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Churchill is a Kenya comedian and last week he attempted to explain the difference between Asian and African businessmen. He said an Asian chooses for example to be in the shoe industry. His Children and grandchildren too tend to be in the same industry. They get a fair understanding shoes inside out. They understand what variables to change if they want to improve on revenue. Africans on the other hand may start with selling shoes and within no time they are into selling pumps, potatoes, chicken, clothing as well as drilling boreholes and anything that can bring money. They do not do anything in detail, he said. Soon the empire collapses when the Asian is still standing. Now just when we were just beginning to dissect what the future of Kicktanet should be by drawing from the past, Robert comes up with the headline the King "is dead" obviously knowing this will derail Ben's thread and suddenly we all fall for it. We are just Africans. Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: Ben Akoh <me@benakoh.com> Sender: kictanet-bounces+bitange=jambo.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.keDate: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 21:34:37 To: <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0 Hi all, At the Vilnius IGF, the "ICTs, the Internet and Sustainable Development: Towards a new paradigm" book (see: http://www.iisd.org/pdf/2010/icts_internet_sd_new_paradigm.pdf) was launched which explored thinking on ICTs and the Internet, and the policies that surround them - both at the local level such as in countries like Kenya or at the global level such as at the international IGF, from a sustainable development perspective. SD touches on three critical pillars of development - Economic, Social and Environmental. The book suggests that these pillars should be explored with a fundamental principle in mind: "Development that meets the needs of the present without compromising the ability of future generations to meet their own needs." This book presents important lessons that can help us adequately and efficiently conceptualize present and future visions for ICTs and the Internet, and policies that concern them. It may be useful as we think about the future of the internet in Kenya. Firstly, I would like to suggest, if it pleases everyone on the list, and our moderator, Grace, to perhaps examine this future thinking process using these pillars of sustainable development - Economic, Social and Environmental. This can be done through asking listers, if they had to conceptualize a vision to meet our present needs in such a way that they do not compromise future needs (for our children) what would be the a) economic, b) social, and c) environmental impacts? Secondly, the book provides a framework for examining future impacts of ICTs/Internet through what it calls the "systemic effects", and there are three of them. The first order (direct) effects are direct and immediate effects of ICTs/Internet on our society, for instance, the direct effect of the Internet on Kenya is the increasing numbers of online business that generate more revenue for the country. The second order (indirect) effects concern the applications of ICTs/Internet to increase efficiencies in other industries. For instance, the Internet can be used to improve the deployment of health services or education, etc. The third order (societal) effect concerns the impacts on ICTs/Internet on changing social and behavioral structures. For instance, the use of the internet to reduce cost and change behaviors through, for example telecommuting, or online shopping. Juxtaposing these systemic effects with the pillars of sustainable development can help us to better define specific approaches and also how to best conceptualize the future of ICTs/Internet in Kenya in a way that Kictanet would like to see, and that encompases those whom the policies will impact but who may not be opportuned to participate. Using this framework, we would refine our question above by asking: What first order, second order and third order effects can ICTs/Internet have now and in the future for: a. Economic sustainability b. Social sustainability c. Environmental sustainability? And what role can Kictanet play to make this happen? Perhaps, this sort of structure can help us discuss systematically and in more depth, and can also ease Grace's job in sequentially documenting our dialogue and thoughts. Thanks again for letting a lurker comment. Best, Ben On 4/17/12 4:53 AM, charles nduati wrote:
Hi Listers,
As a founder Director of KICTANET, I congratulate all of you for this contributions because they truly warm our hearts to know that we have somehow achieved our vision.
Robert, let me tell you, you don't know how many times I quote you the way also my mother quotes the announcers in the vernacular radio stations as if she is quoting from the bible even though she has never called in to the radio show discussions.
As for those who are proposing revamping, I will say like the incoming World bank president, coming from medicine field he only administers medicine that he has evidence it works and its safe.
Show me your evidence for your prescription and I am with you.
Charles Nduati CHARLES N. NDUATI GENERAL MANAGER JKUAT ENTERPRISES LTD JOMO KENYATTA UNIVERSITY OF AGRICULTURE AND TECHNOLOGY JUJA MAIN CAMPUS, THIKA P. O. BOX 79324-00200 NAIROBI, KENYA TEL: 254-067-52420 OR 254-067-52711 FAX: 254-067-52438 MOBILE:254-722728815 EMIAL:charlesnduati2002@yahoo.co.uk,cnduati@gmail.com,bm@jkuates.jkuat.ac.ke www.jkuat.ac.ke ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *From:* Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> *To:* charlesnduati2002@yahoo.co.uk *Cc:* kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke *Sent:* Monday, 16 April 2012, 13:54 *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0
@Gilda,
the ball is actually in EACH of our courts. I am also humbled by the former PS Murage's testimony. Think about it, this guy was for along time the President's Strategy Advisor - perhaps KICTAnet has had policy impact from the highest levels of this land (we all deserve some some consultancy fee from Govt ;-).
But am sure we can make even bigger strides as get more feedback from the membership. I assume GG is moderating, based on her recent summary. Keep the conversation going.
walu.
--- On *Mon, 4/16/12, Gilda Odera /<godera@skyweb.co.ke>/* wrote:
From: Gilda Odera <godera@skyweb.co.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0 To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Date: Monday, April 16, 2012, 11:59 AM
Joe, I like your suggestion. I agree- let us look at the next 10 years, review where we are, evaluate any shortfalls and come up with possible suggestions. We have evolved but we could be further. As Brian mentioned, this can be taken to the higher level once determined.I'd like to see more than 10 companies winning global competitions (why not?), lower Internet rates with greater speeds, many more innovations (because we have what it takes). My take is that we can do much more- let us up our game. Walu, ball in your court, let us get this going. Kind regards, Gilda
----- Original Message ----- *From:* Joseph Mucheru *To:* godera@skyweb.co.ke *Cc:* kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke *Sent:* Saturday, April 14, 2012 9:42 AM *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0
Harry/Gilda Et all,
Following this whole discussion I can help but conclude the country have moved to a different stage in the development of the ICT sector. In the past we came together because there were major issues we needed to deal with. The face 2 face was even important to ensure we framed the issues well for the stakeholders.
* We have a policy framework in place (an evolving one) * The market is competitive (call rates and internet rates are low) * We are leading in innovations in mobile money globally (mpesa) * iHub and other open community spaces are doing well - look at the mlab <http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/MLab++gets+Sh1+31+billion+financial+boost+/-/1248928/1380044/-/t1p59dz/-/index.html> Content and other funding (Billions of shillings) * John Waibochi is winning global competitions with virtual city * Cables landed - 4G and evolving * etc .... * We still have some legacy issues (Telkom and Posta) - But we know there are qualified people dealing with them amongst others
Am not saying things are perfect, only that we have not identified an obvious national cross cutting issue to rally everyone around. Konza is a great but most people I have talked to are not clear how to engage (yet they do not want to be left out).
May I propose an action for this list. Paint a picture of Kenya's ICT sector in 2020. By this I mean, what do we all think Kenya's ICT sector will/can look like in next 10 years.
This will allow each of us to reflect of what we are doing today and how we can impact that vision of tomorrow.
Thanks
Joe
My view is we have exhausted discussions on setting a suitable framework and what we need is to move to the next level
On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 7:05 PM, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> wrote:
Thanks so much Gilda.____ ____ Actually, therein lies the conundrum – How to grow the forum potential that we have? How to spur on such a huge base as____ per Washington’s stats, to a wider participation/engagement for mutual benefit of all, the nation and beyond. Debate here____ on the good days can really, really be rich in content at the same time being informative & Educative.____ ____ Secondly, as Edwin earlier on stated, on those good days when debate – deliberation & conclusions is at its best, we____ unfortunately do not have mechanisms in place to follow this through with the decision makers – effectively influencing ____ policy. How do we address this..? It won’t just be enough to build up an archive for PhD students out of the Kictanet____ repositories.. Let these deliberations make a difference that can count in this country. ____ ____ That is Kictanet..____ ____ Harry____ ____ ____ *From:*Gilda Odera [mailto:godera@skyweb.co.ke] *Sent:* Friday, April 13, 2012 5:26 PM
*To:* harry@comtelsys.co.ke *Cc:* kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0____ ____ Hi Harry,____ ____ I am not too sure the sisters can be any more empowered- short of force feeding really!:)____ Those who feel strongly about something tend to drop a line.____ I don't even think it is a gender issue, I am sure if you check out the subscriber base you will find that people are just keeping quiet in the background but picking a lot.____ ____ How to make it more interactive?____ My suspicion is that many only read one thread and miss out the main thread of the debate and depending on what a subscriber has responded to, they sometimes "switch off" and do not read any more mails on that topic- in the process missing out on some interesting discussions in between.____ I think those who have something burning to say will say it anyway. The rest are neither here nor there in the debate so they see no need to comment nor read all the threads.____ Maybe on each topic the key Government agencies can be requested to always give an opinion- that may generate more participation.And the subject line would ensure it highlights " XXX's position on....".- Just wondering.____ Glad to read PS Murage's email to Grace- people are indeed reading Kictanet debates. ____ .____ ____ Gilda Odera____
----- Original Message ----- ____ *From:*Harry Delano ____ *To:*'Gilda Odera' ____ *Cc:*kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke ____ *Sent:*Friday, April 13, 2012 4:38 PM____ *Subject:*RE: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0____ ____ Thanks so much Gilda/Grace for your comments. So possibly from your own observation perhaps, how can we make ____ it more interactive and engaging, and attract more participation..? Could it be we need to make the environment a little ____ bit more conducive/friendlier and accommodative enough? My observation is the sisters are usually too silent. How____ do we empower..?____ ____ Secondly I do note, in its formative years Kictanet actively & professionally ( through representation) engaged a number____ of players on the national stage, such us the Ps, CCK, Govt Depts, to shape ICT policy. There have been positive results____ from those engagement sessions (kamkunji). That also seems to have faded off..? Any idea..?____ ____ This is because I have this strong feeling within, that since Kictanet was formed with the express objective to engage ____ on a multi-stakeholder platform, there has never been such a time in its history as now that we need to engage more, ____ and do so collectively. For instance, I thought this would be a time we would be actively engaging on Konza, Cyber____ security, just to name a few… or..?____ ____ Harry____ ____ ____ *From:*kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] *On Behalf Of *Gilda Odera *Sent:* Friday, April 13, 2012 4:08 PM *To:* harry@comtelsys.co.ke *Cc:* kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0____ ____ Grace,____ ____ I think it is a cultural thing here. Many people would rather write directly to you during a debate, as you say below, rather than voice their opinion openly. I am thinking Kenyans are still very shy and scared of being seen to "step on another's toes"- just in case their comment may be going against someone's opinion. Many would rather hide and comment quietly to the person next to them or the person they are close to.____ I imagine that is why there are still so many things that remain unchanged in the country that could be changed if people came out and voiced their opinions.But the few who write must never feel discouraged as their voices are still being heard and they are impacting on so many. It takes a few people to bring about change. ____ My thoughts. ____ ____ Regards,____ ____ Gilda____ ____
----- Original Message ----- ____ *From:*Grace Githaiga ____ *To:*godera@skyweb.co.ke ____ *Cc:*kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke ____ *Sent:*Friday, April 13, 2012 3:36 PM____ *Subject:*RE: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0____ ____
Spot on Gilda. However, it may be useful to hear from some lurkers as to why they are not active participants of the forum (there is not so much from the sisters :)). Maybe there is something that can be done to allow for more participation? I have for example received comments off-list when I have moderated debates, and my question to those listers is that it would be nice for them to raise the very good comments here on this forum. Again, the aim is to strengthen the forum and have it continue to remain relevant. ____ ____ On another note, I have seen some of our discussions here quoted authoritatively on mainstream media, as well as on social media. ____ ____ Ben Akoh, we look forward to reading the findings of your research. ____ ____ Lets keep this debate live! It is very useful.____ ____ Rgds____ GG____
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you have the strength to survive, you have the power to succeed. Life is all about choices we make depending upon the situation we are in. Go forth and rule the World!____ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: godera@skyweb.co.ke Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 14:12:58 +0300 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0 CC: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke To: ggithaiga@hotmail.com____ Long live Kictanet- as far as I am concerned.____ ____ Listers,____ ____ I think we need to remember that just like in any other forum, there are always the very few who engage in discussions while most do the listening. That is typical human behaviour, and it is therefore not odd nor is Kictanet dying because not all subscribed listers are actively participating.____ Personally, I am quite happy with the forum. And there has been so much to learn and listen to in the various debates- very useful.____ ____ Regards,____ ____ Gilda Odera____
----- Original Message ----- ____ *From:*Walubengo J ____ *To:*godera@skyweb.co.ke ____ *Cc:*KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions ____ *Sent:*Friday, April 13, 2012 12:04 PM____ *Subject:*Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0____ ____ Ben
This is a powerful testimony. I do also know of a PhD student whose core dataset is the KICTAnet archives. And others who got jobs/scholarships arising from KICTAnet posts. I think these are some of the stories that we want to hear from the "horses" mouth...
However, on the flip-side, I think we should also welcome the negative experiences - or challenges as it were - so that we can improve going forward.
walu. nb: ave taken the liberty to tweak the subject to include KICTAnet 2.0
--- On *Fri, 4/13/12, Ben Akoh /<me@benakoh.com>/* wrote:____
From: Ben Akoh <me@benakoh.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...! To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Friday, April 13, 2012, 2:17 AM____ Hi All,
My name is Ben Akoh and I am one of many lurkers on this list, and on many others. I am not Kenyan, I have visited the country several times, I will be visiting it in the next month, I love it, its people, and have very good friends there.
I participated in one of the earlier public forums that helped to shape Kictanet and that fed into the numerous fiber initiatives to which you and most of us now enjoy: directly when we visit the country, and indirectly when we interact with good people like yourselves who continue to pave the way for how public consultation can shape future growth and development.
My comments are along three lines:
1. The benefits of lurkers: Being a lurker is not necessary a bad thing. Some of us continue to benefit from this list and learn good practices that inform public policy in many other areas. For instance, the Kictanet model is replicated across several national discussion lists in West Africa and have been suggested as a useful model for public consultation on policy issues. Lurkers benefit through propagate the good dialogues that emanate from this group in other forums beyond yours. See this as Kenya's export to the knowledge and information economy.
2. Questioning is good: Seeking ways through which this forum would become more relevant is also not necessarily a bad thing. Questioning leads to improvement. The day that every member of this group thinks that the list has arrived (group think), is the day it begins to slowly die a death. Thus, a constant review, as someone mentioned, against Kictanet's initial objectives is a good starting point; documenting its progress over the years through careful research (as another person mentioned) is also important. But significant consideration should be given to the medium of delivery and how this is relevant to the context of the times. "The medium is the message" (Marshall McLuhan). The medium should thus respond to the demands of the time. Considerations should be given to those for whom policy is deliberated but who do not have access to deliberate in its present form.
3. Kicktanet is one of several model that works: I am currently finalizing a toolkit (ebook and wiki) of several models that have worked for generating evidence and for seeking consent of those whom policy will affect using case studies of good practice models implemented across the world. Kictanet and this discussion list is featured prominently as one of them. I hope to share the outcome of this research once it has been published.
In sum, all these go to say that:
1. The list is useful to both lurkers and active members. 2. Its influence transcends Kenya and contributes to shaping policy and policy consultation beyond its borders. 3. The medium should respond to the dynamic context of communication technologies, and cater to the local context as well as the growing needs of its audience - present and future. It should therefore be shaped accordingly.
My two bob.
Ben A lurker.
On Thu, April 12, 2012 8:59 am, Evans Ikua wrote: > Now that we have to weigh in, I think this is an important list that it > serves its purposes well. If it falls silent for some time, then it means > that everyone is happy, which is not a bad thing. When its active, it > means > that people have issues, and they have a good place and forum to air their > concerns and opinion relating to the industry. > > As for the lurkers, they are also good to have. As someone said, one will > always speak out when their area of interest is mentioned and they have an > opinion to share. > > Regards, > Evans > > On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 4:49 PM, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke <http://mc/compose?to=harry%40comtelsys.co.ke>> > wrote: > >> Now we talking. Please if you happen to be on this list, but presently >> on >> “read-only-mode” ( a new phrase I have learnt),**** >> >> please realize you owe it to this noble forum, started by noble people, >> with noble ideas at least in a way to leave some**** >> >> mark…**** >> >> ** ** >> >> So can we ensure that this forum carries the flag up higher and make a >> mark in this land and beyond that we can believe **** >> >> in. Have looked around, do not see any other forum with such >> broad/diverse >> membership.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Let’s keep the ideas coming in..**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Harry**** >> >> ** ** >> >> *From:* kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke%40lists.kictanet.or.ke> >> [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke%40lists.kictanet.or.ke>] *On >> Behalf Of *Harry Hare >> *Sent:* Thursday, April 12, 2012 4:17 PM >> >> *To:* harry@comtelsys.co.ke <http://mc/compose?to=harry%40comtelsys.co.ke> >> *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions >> *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the >> dustbin...!**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Hey all, there is a strategy document floating somewhere. I think this >> could be a good place to start – see what has been achieved, what fell >> by >> the way side, identify what is still relevant, plug in new ideas and >> strengthen the network. KICTANet should never be allowed to "kick".**** >> >> **** >> >> Harry Hare**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Director**** >> >> African eDevelopment Resource Centre**** >> >> PO Box 49475 00100**** >> >> Nairobi, Kenya**** >> >> Tel +254 20 4041646**** >> >> Cel +254 725 650044**** >> >> ** ** >> >> ** ** >> >> *From: *Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com <http://mc/compose?to=blongwe%40gmail.com>> >> *Date: *Thu, 12 Apr 2012 15:57:45 +0300 >> *To: *Harry Hare <harry@africanedevelopment.org <http://mc/compose?to=harry%40africanedevelopment.org>> >> *Cc: *KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet%40lists.kictanet.or.ke>> >> *Subject: *Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the >> dustbin...!**** >> >> ** ** >> >> If we go back to early discussions about the multi-stakeholder network >> known as KICTAnet I recall there being a distinction between the mailing >> list participants, and those stakeholders who would actively engage in >> KICTAnet "activities".**** >> >> ** ** >> >> My take is that since there have been no "activities" as such - the >> feeling is that KICTAnet has "kicked" to borrow a phrase from >> @Harry.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> I remember there used to be monthly face-to-face meetings which followed >> a >> particular topic or theme of interest and served as an opportunity for >> participants from the various networks to meet within the context of the >> "network of networks". At the time there was program funding from donor >> to >> cover costs of those meetings, this has presumably, run out. Which leads >> me >> to ask, can we mobilise funds locally? At least for these gatherings? As >> they will give a greater element of traction to the organization while >> ensuring that it continues to remain relevant within the sector. >> Especially >> as the melting pot for policy debate.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Best regards,**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Brian**** >> >> ** ** >> >> On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 3:41 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu%40yahoo.com>> >> wrote:**** >> >> Joe, >> >> Currently listed number is 690 members from diverse backgrounds of >> Media, >> Academia, Govt, Regulator, Telcos(fixed, mobile, wireless). But as you >> noted not everyone is active -80% are often in read-only mode. That is >> one >> reason I thought we needed new thinking and new approaches... >> >> walu. >> >> --- On *Thu, 4/12/12, Joseph Mucheru <mucheru@google.com <http://mc/compose?to=mucheru%40google.com>>* wrote:**** >> >> >> From: Joseph Mucheru <mucheru@google.com <http://mc/compose?to=mucheru%40google.com>>**** >> >> >> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the >> dustbin...! >> To: jwalu@yahoo.com <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu%40yahoo.com> >> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" >> <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet%40lists.kictanet.or.ke>>**** >> >> Date: Thursday, April 12, 2012, 2:53 PM**** >> >> ** ** >> >> I am certainly above 35 and enjoy not only records but also the latest >> collaboration technologies "Google >> Hangouts<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QN38vHZjWXw>" >> I agree that we need to review our aim and strategies but we need to >> have a >> representative forum that allows for that to take place. @Brian you know >> many participant on this list are in read only mode.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> @Walu/@Washington - can you give us an idea of the number of people >> actively subscribed to the list? Not the names but the number. This will >> be >> a good place to start. Dealing with facts and not guess work.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Thanks**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Joe**** >> >> ** ** >> >> On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 2:31 PM, Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau >> <solo.mburu@gmail.com <http://mc/compose?to=solo.mburu%40gmail.com><http://mc/compose?to=solo.mburu@gmail.com <http://mc/compose?to=solo.mburu%40gmail.com>>> >> wrote:**** >> >> ** ** >> >> On 12 April 2012 14:26, robert yawe >> <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk <http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe%40yahoo.co.uk><http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk <http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe%40yahoo.co.uk>>> >> wrote:**** >> >> Harry,**** >> >> ** ** >> >> We are ageing, email is loosing is lustre and the new generation hate >> records and prefer platforms like twitter and facebook.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> The responsibility for keeping the forum active remains with those over >> 35 >> year old who unfortunately are trying to fit in with the younger >> crowd.*** >> * >> >> ** ** >> >> uuummmmm is there a way out of this loop.^C**** >> >> >> I'm below 35, but enjoy keeping records, in addition to facebook and >> twitter >> **** >> >> ** ** >> >> Regards **** >> >> **** >> >> Robert Yawe >> KAY System Technologies Ltd >> Phoenix House, 6th Floor >> P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 >> Kenya**** >> >> Tel: +254722511225begin_of_the_skype_highlighting+254722511225end_of_the_skype_highlighting, +254202010696begin_of_the_skype_highlighting+254202010696end_of_the_skype_highlighting**** >> ------------------------------ >> >> *From:* Harry Delano >> <harry@comtelsys.co.ke <http://mc/compose?to=harry%40comtelsys.co.ke><http://mc/compose?to=harry@comtelsys.co.ke <http://mc/compose?to=harry%40comtelsys.co.ke>> >> > >> *To:* robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk <http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe%40yahoo.co.uk> >> <http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk <http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe%40yahoo.co.uk>> >> **** >> >> *Cc:* 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' >> <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet%40lists.kictanet.or.ke><http://mc/compose?to=kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet%40lists.kictanet.or.ke>>> >> **** >> >> *Sent:* Thursday, 12 April 2012, 13:55**** >> >> >> *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the >> dustbin...!**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Ara..!**** >> >> **** >> >> Not many people seriously want to rejuvenate this forum, as per >> Brian/Walubengo’s suggestion…?**** >> >> **** >> >> Cannot imagine the forum becoming a good case study one day for some >> thesis student. Whose research titles among others:-**** >> >> · “How-to-kill a good forum, kick it into the dustbin and >> leave >> it for the dead” **** >> >> · “The rise and rise, and fall and fall of a myriad of many >> ICT >> forums in Kenya, the major one being….**** >> >> · “How-not-to build structural resilience and offer strategic >> leadership”. Why the big forum went M.I.A, and petered out..**** >> >> · And the final one perhaps, “ Do not repeat the mistakes >> listed >> above, time for a RESET..”!**** >> >> **** >> >> Certainly, unless otherwise – we might be headed for such a case >> study. >> Not sure if I should patent the titles, just in case..!**** >> >> **** >> >> Harry**** >> >> **** >> >> **** >> >> *From:* >> kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke%40lists.kictanet.or.ke><http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke%40lists.kictanet.or.ke>>[mailto: >> kictanet-bounces+harry <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet-bounces%2Bharry>= >> comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke%40lists.kictanet.or.ke><http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke%40lists.kictanet.or.ke>>] >> *On Behalf Of *Brian Munyao Longwe >> *Sent:* Thursday, April 12, 2012 12:50 AM >> *To:* harry@comtelsys.co.ke <http://mc/compose?to=harry%40comtelsys.co.ke> <http://mc/compose?to=harry@comtelsys.co.ke <http://mc/compose?to=harry%40comtelsys.co.ke>> >> *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions >> *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the >> dustbin...!**** >> >> **** >> >> I think Walu is on the right track. Every organisation for-profit or >> not, >> has to reassess it's strategy, relevance, business direction and thrust >> periodically or risk falling into the shadows.**** >> >> **** >> >> Is it time for KICTAnet to do so?**** >> >> **** >> >> As one of the founders and a trustee I think that the time has come.**** >> >> **** >> >> My 2 shillings,**** >> >> **** >> >> Brian**** >> >> On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 6:21 PM, Walubengo J >> <jwalu@yahoo.com <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu%40yahoo.com><http://mc/compose?to=jwalu@yahoo.com <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu%40yahoo.com>>> >> wrote:**** >> >> @Wash, >> >> Maybe Delano is insinuating something. Perhaps KICTAnet needs to >> re-juvinate >> and re-energize. Bring in new blood and thinking. What do we want from >> KICTAnet, 8yrs later? What management structures, membership structures, >> operational, financial structures do we want to see going forward? >> >> Perhaps a brainstorming face2face session is due. I for one have been >> the >> moderator since inception and maybe someone else can do a better job and >> we >> just have not asked them to come forth. Think about it - I could have >> run >> out of ideas or some younger dot.commer <http://dot.com> may just be >> sitting on better ways of moderation that I have never imagined... >> >> just my 2pings. >> >> walu. >> >> --- On *Wed, 4/11/12, Odhiambo Washington >> <odhiambo@gmail.com <http://mc/compose?to=odhiambo%40gmail.com><http://mc/compose?to=odhiambo@gmail.com <http://mc/compose?to=odhiambo%40gmail.com>> >> >* wrote:**** >> >> >> From: Odhiambo Washington >> <odhiambo@gmail.com <http://mc/compose?to=odhiambo%40gmail.com><http://mc/compose?to=odhiambo@gmail.com <http://mc/compose?to=odhiambo%40gmail.com>> >> > >> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the >> dustbin...! >> To: jwalu@yahoo.com <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu%40yahoo.com> <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu@yahoo.com <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu%40yahoo.com>> >> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" >> <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet%40lists.kictanet.or.ke><http://mc/compose?to=kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet%40lists.kictanet.or.ke>> >> > >> Date: Wednesday, April 11, 2012, 3:50 PM**** >> >> **** >> >> **** >> >> On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 14:59, Harry Delano >> <harry@comtelsys.co.ke <http://mc/compose?to=harry%40comtelsys.co.ke><http://mc/compose?to=harry@comtelsys.co.ke <http://mc/compose?to=harry%40comtelsys.co.ke>>> >> wrote:**** >> >> I’m not sure which is which, until I see some response on whether we >> might >> just as well happen to be drifting along rudderless…!!**** >> >> **** >> >> >> You mean the post-Easter stupor, or?? >> **** >> >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> Odhiambo WASHINGTON, >> Nairobi,KE >> +254733744121/+254722743223begin_of_the_skype_highlighting+254722743223end_of_the_skype_highlighting >> _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ >> I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler. >> [image: cid:image001.png@01CD18CB.53049790]Please consider the >> environment before printing this email. **** >> >> **** >> >> -----Inline Attachment Follows-----**** >> >> _______________________________________________ >> kictanet mailing list >> kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet%40lists.kictanet.or.ke><http://mc/compose?to=kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet%40lists.kictanet.or.ke>> >> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >> >> Unsubscribe or change your options at >> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/jwalu%40yahoo.com >> >> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform >> for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and >> regulation. 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Dear Dr.Ndemo, In my view, Yawe's sensational headline actually ended up bringing out the relevance of Kictanet and way forward in some areas. For one, some lurkers came out and confirmed previous assumptions we had made. It is not negative at all. How we turn around situations is what determines whether it is really negative or positive. With due respect, it is time we stopped joining the stereo-typing bandwagon and prophesied better things for ourselves as Africans. We should not continue falling back into the negative tags Africans are given. As I had said in an earlier email, why not turn the "negative" into "positive"? What I saw here was positive,informative and educative content in the emails responding to Yawe's alarmist subject headline,nothing negative that warrants your "We are just Africans" statement. I am a proud African woman and I do not see myself as "just an African". I have never seen any comments saying "we are just white" yet the world is full of negative white people too! Much as there are many Africans out there who are not at the same level as others, we should not say "typical African" whenever we see or perceive anything to be negative. Ofcourse, many Africans seem to be challenged in many things but then again, many others have overcome some of these challenges. Those who have overcome simply turn the negative thing around. Sooner than later, you win people to your side. Truth be told, a lot of these things were all foreign to Africans. Unfortunately, due to unfair terrain of infrastructure, many are not as exposed as others. Some only joined the wagon when they reached the city and are still learning from poor examples. Others caught on while some are still lagging. But I know, all of these developed economies never started where they are today. We can leap frog, and we have in many instances, but we are still on the journey. So we are not "just Africans".I believe the listers are all proud Africans. And no,Yawe has not hoodwinked anyone into forgetting the discussion on way forward. Listers are just lurking. Lurkers, come out of the shell, even if just for this time to discuss way forward for Kictanet! Worry not about stepping on anyone's toes- as long as you mean well, there really should be no problem. We all respect each other in this list. Time for me to lurk a bit! Kind regards, Gilda On Wed, 18 Apr 2012 13:29:53 +0000, bitange@jambo.co.ke wrote:
Churchill is a Kenya comedian and last week he attempted to explain the difference between Asian and African businessmen. He said an Asian chooses for example to be in the shoe industry. His Children and grandchildren too tend to be in the same industry. They get a fair understanding shoes inside out. They understand what variables to change if they want to improve on revenue.
Africans on the other hand may start with selling shoes and within no time they are into selling pumps, potatoes, chicken, clothing as well as drilling boreholes and anything that can bring money. They do not do anything in detail, he said. Soon the empire collapses when the Asian is still standing.
Now just when we were just beginning to dissect what the future of Kicktanet should be by drawing from the past, Robert comes up with the headline the King "is dead" obviously knowing this will derail Ben's thread and suddenly we all fall for it. We are just Africans.
Ndemo.
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-----Original Message----- From: Ben Akoh <me@benakoh.com> Sender: kictanet-bounces+bitange=jambo.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.keDate: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 21:34:37 To: <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0
Hi all,
At the Vilnius IGF, the "ICTs, the Internet and Sustainable Development: Towards a new paradigm" book (see: http://www.iisd.org/pdf/2010/icts_internet_sd_new_paradigm.pdf) was launched which explored thinking on ICTs and the Internet, and the policies that surround them - both at the local level such as in countries like Kenya or at the global level such as at the international IGF, from a sustainable development perspective.
SD touches on three critical pillars of development - Economic, Social and Environmental. The book suggests that these pillars should be explored with a fundamental principle in mind: "Development that meets the needs of the present without compromising the ability of future generations to meet their own needs." This book presents important lessons that can help us adequately and efficiently conceptualize present and future visions for ICTs and the Internet, and policies that concern them. It may be useful as we think about the future of the internet in Kenya.
Firstly, I would like to suggest, if it pleases everyone on the list, and our moderator, Grace, to perhaps examine this future thinking process using these pillars of sustainable development - Economic, Social and Environmental. This can be done through asking listers, if they had to conceptualize a vision to meet our present needs in such a way that they do not compromise future needs (for our children) what would be the a) economic, b) social, and c) environmental impacts?
Secondly, the book provides a framework for examining future impacts of ICTs/Internet through what it calls the "systemic effects", and there are three of them.
The first order (direct) effects are direct and immediate effects of ICTs/Internet on our society, for instance, the direct effect of the Internet on Kenya is the increasing numbers of online business that generate more revenue for the country.
The second order (indirect) effects concern the applications of ICTs/Internet to increase efficiencies in other industries. For instance, the Internet can be used to improve the deployment of health services or education, etc.
The third order (societal) effect concerns the impacts on ICTs/Internet on changing social and behavioral structures. For instance, the use of the internet to reduce cost and change behaviors through, for example telecommuting, or online shopping.
Juxtaposing these systemic effects with the pillars of sustainable development can help us to better define specific approaches and also how to best conceptualize the future of ICTs/Internet in Kenya in a way that Kictanet would like to see, and that encompases those whom the policies will impact but who may not be opportuned to participate.
Using this framework, we would refine our question above by asking:
What first order, second order and third order effects can ICTs/Internet have now and in the future for:
a. Economic sustainability b. Social sustainability c. Environmental sustainability?
And what role can Kictanet play to make this happen?
Perhaps, this sort of structure can help us discuss systematically and in more depth, and can also ease Grace's job in sequentially documenting our dialogue and thoughts.
Thanks again for letting a lurker comment.
Best, Ben
On 4/17/12 4:53 AM, charles nduati wrote:
Hi Listers,
As a founder Director of KICTANET, I congratulate all of you for this contributions because they truly warm our hearts to know that we have somehow achieved our vision.
Robert, let me tell you, you don't know how many times I quote you the way also my mother quotes the announcers in the vernacular radio stations as if she is quoting from the bible even though she has never called in to the radio show discussions.
As for those who are proposing revamping, I will say like the incoming World bank president, coming from medicine field he only administers medicine that he has evidence it works and its safe.
Show me your evidence for your prescription and I am with you.
Charles Nduati CHARLES N. NDUATI GENERAL MANAGER JKUAT ENTERPRISES LTD JOMO KENYATTA UNIVERSITY OF AGRICULTURE AND TECHNOLOGY JUJA MAIN CAMPUS, THIKA P. O. BOX 79324-00200 NAIROBI, KENYA TEL: 254-067-52420 OR 254-067-52711 FAX: 254-067-52438 MOBILE:254-722728815
EMIAL:charlesnduati2002@yahoo.co.uk,cnduati@gmail.com,bm@jkuates.jkuat.ac.ke www.jkuat.ac.ke
------------------------------------------------------------------------ *From:* Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> *To:* charlesnduati2002@yahoo.co.uk *Cc:* kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke *Sent:* Monday, 16 April 2012, 13:54 *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0
@Gilda,
the ball is actually in EACH of our courts. I am also humbled by the former PS Murage's testimony. Think about it, this guy was for along time the President's Strategy Advisor - perhaps KICTAnet has had policy impact from the highest levels of this land (we all deserve some some consultancy fee from Govt ;-).
But am sure we can make even bigger strides as get more feedback from the membership. I assume GG is moderating, based on her recent summary. Keep the conversation going.
walu.
--- On *Mon, 4/16/12, Gilda Odera /<godera@skyweb.co.ke>/* wrote:
From: Gilda Odera <godera@skyweb.co.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0 To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Date: Monday, April 16, 2012, 11:59 AM
Joe, I like your suggestion. I agree- let us look at the next 10 years, review where we are, evaluate any shortfalls and come up with possible suggestions. We have evolved but we could be further. As Brian mentioned, this can be taken to the higher level once determined.I'd like to see more than 10 companies winning global competitions (why not?), lower Internet rates with greater speeds, many more innovations (because we have what it takes). My take is that we can do much more- let us up our game. Walu, ball in your court, let us get this going. Kind regards, Gilda
----- Original Message ----- *From:* Joseph Mucheru *To:* godera@skyweb.co.ke *Cc:* kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke *Sent:* Saturday, April 14, 2012 9:42 AM *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0
Harry/Gilda Et all,
Following this whole discussion I can help but conclude the country have moved to a different stage in the development of the ICT sector. In the past we came together because there were major issues we needed to deal with. The face 2 face was even important to ensure we framed the issues well for the stakeholders.
* We have a policy framework in place (an evolving one) * The market is competitive (call rates and internet rates are low) * We are leading in innovations in mobile money globally (mpesa) * iHub and other open community spaces are doing well - look at the mlab
<http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/MLab++gets+Sh1+31+billion+financial+boost+/-/1248928/1380044/-/t1p59dz/-/index.html> Content and other funding (Billions of shillings) * John Waibochi is winning global competitions with virtual city * Cables landed - 4G and evolving * etc .... * We still have some legacy issues (Telkom and Posta) - But we know there are qualified people dealing with them amongst others
Am not saying things are perfect, only that we have not identified an obvious national cross cutting issue to rally everyone around. Konza is a great but most people I have talked to are not clear how to engage (yet they do not want to be left out).
May I propose an action for this list. Paint a picture of Kenya's ICT sector in 2020. By this I mean, what do we all think Kenya's ICT sector will/can look like in next 10 years.
This will allow each of us to reflect of what we are doing today and how we can impact that vision of tomorrow.
Thanks
Joe
My view is we have exhausted discussions on setting a suitable framework and what we need is to move to the next level
On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 7:05 PM, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> wrote:
Thanks so much Gilda.____ ____ Actually, therein lies the conundrum – How to grow the forum potential that we have? How to spur on such a huge base as____ per Washington’s stats, to a wider participation/engagement for mutual benefit of all, the nation and beyond. Debate here____ on the good days can really, really be rich in content at the same time being informative & Educative.____ ____ Secondly, as Edwin earlier on stated, on those good days when debate – deliberation & conclusions is at its best, we____ unfortunately do not have mechanisms in place to follow this through with the decision makers – effectively influencing ____ policy. How do we address this..? It won’t just be enough to build up an archive for PhD students out of the Kictanet____ repositories.. Let these deliberations make a difference that can count in this country. ____ ____ That is Kictanet..____ ____ Harry____ ____ ____ *From:*Gilda Odera [mailto:godera@skyweb.co.ke] *Sent:* Friday, April 13, 2012 5:26 PM
*To:* harry@comtelsys.co.ke *Cc:* kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0____ ____ Hi Harry,____ ____ I am not too sure the sisters can be any more empowered- short of force feeding really!:)____ Those who feel strongly about something tend to drop a line.____ I don't even think it is a gender issue, I am sure if you check out the subscriber base you will find that people are just keeping quiet in the background but picking a lot.____ ____ How to make it more interactive?____ My suspicion is that many only read one thread and miss out the main thread of the debate and depending on what a subscriber has responded to, they sometimes "switch off" and do not read any more mails on that topic- in the process missing out on some interesting discussions in between.____ I think those who have something burning to say will say it anyway. The rest are neither here nor there in the debate so they see no need to comment nor read all the threads.____ Maybe on each topic the key Government agencies can be requested to always give an opinion- that may generate more participation.And the subject line would ensure it highlights " XXX's position on....".- Just wondering.____ Glad to read PS Murage's email to Grace- people are indeed reading Kictanet debates. ____ .____ ____ Gilda Odera____
----- Original Message ----- ____ *From:*Harry Delano ____ *To:*'Gilda Odera' ____ *Cc:*kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke ____ *Sent:*Friday, April 13, 2012 4:38 PM____ *Subject:*RE: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0____ ____ Thanks so much Gilda/Grace for your comments. So possibly from your own observation perhaps, how can we make ____ it more interactive and engaging, and attract more participation..? Could it be we need to make the environment a little ____ bit more conducive/friendlier and accommodative enough? My observation is the sisters are usually too silent. How____ do we empower..?____ ____ Secondly I do note, in its formative years Kictanet actively & professionally ( through representation) engaged a number____ of players on the national stage, such us the Ps, CCK, Govt Depts, to shape ICT policy. There have been positive results____ from those engagement sessions (kamkunji). That also seems to have faded off..? Any idea..?____ ____ This is because I have this strong feeling within, that since Kictanet was formed with the express objective to engage ____ on a multi-stakeholder platform, there has never been such a time in its history as now that we need to engage more, ____ and do so collectively. For instance, I thought this would be a time we would be actively engaging on Konza, Cyber____ security, just to name a few… or..?____ ____ Harry____ ____ ____
*From:*kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke
[mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] *On Behalf Of *Gilda Odera *Sent:* Friday, April 13, 2012 4:08 PM *To:* harry@comtelsys.co.ke *Cc:* kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0____ ____ Grace,____ ____ I think it is a cultural thing here. Many people would rather write directly to you during a debate, as you say below, rather than voice their opinion openly. I am thinking Kenyans are still very shy and scared of being seen to "step on another's toes"- just in case their comment may be going against someone's opinion. Many would rather hide and comment quietly to the person next to them or the person they are close to.____ I imagine that is why there are still so many things that remain unchanged in the country that could be changed if people came out and voiced their opinions.But the few who write must never feel discouraged as their voices are still being heard and they are impacting on so many. It takes a few people to bring about change. ____ My thoughts. ____ ____ Regards,____ ____ Gilda____ ____
----- Original Message ----- ____ *From:*Grace Githaiga ____ *To:*godera@skyweb.co.ke ____ *Cc:*kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke ____ *Sent:*Friday, April 13, 2012 3:36 PM____ *Subject:*RE: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0____ ____
Spot on Gilda. However, it may be useful to hear from some lurkers as to why they are not active participants of the forum (there is not so much from the sisters :)). Maybe there is something that can be done to allow for more participation? I have for example received comments off-list when I have moderated debates, and my question to those listers is that it would be nice for them to raise the very good comments here on this forum. Again, the aim is to strengthen the forum and have it continue to remain relevant. ____ ____ On another note, I have seen some of our discussions here quoted authoritatively on mainstream media, as well as on social media. ____ ____ Ben Akoh, we look forward to reading the findings of your research. ____ ____ Lets keep this debate live! It is very useful.____ ____ Rgds____ GG____
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you have the strength to survive, you have the power to succeed. Life is all about choices we make depending upon the situation we are in. Go forth and rule the World!____
------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: godera@skyweb.co.ke Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 14:12:58 +0300 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0 CC: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke To: ggithaiga@hotmail.com____ Long live Kictanet- as far as I am concerned.____ ____ Listers,____ ____ I think we need to remember that just like in any other forum, there are always the very few who engage in discussions while most do the listening. That is typical human behaviour, and it is therefore not odd nor is Kictanet dying because not all subscribed listers are actively participating.____ Personally, I am quite happy with the forum. And there has been so much to learn and listen to in the various debates- very useful.____ ____ Regards,____ ____ Gilda Odera____
----- Original Message ----- ____ *From:*Walubengo J ____ *To:*godera@skyweb.co.ke ____ *Cc:*KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions ____ *Sent:*Friday, April 13, 2012 12:04 PM____ *Subject:*Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0____ ____ Ben
This is a powerful testimony. I do also know of a PhD student whose core dataset is the KICTAnet archives. And others who got jobs/scholarships arising from KICTAnet posts. I think these are some of the stories that we want to hear from the "horses" mouth...
However, on the flip-side, I think we should also welcome the negative experiences - or challenges as it were - so that we can improve going forward.
walu. nb: ave taken the liberty to tweak the subject to include KICTAnet 2.0
--- On *Fri, 4/13/12, Ben Akoh /<me@benakoh.com>/* wrote:____
From: Ben Akoh <me@benakoh.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...! To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Friday, April 13, 2012, 2:17 AM____ Hi All,
My name is Ben Akoh and I am one of many lurkers on this list, and on many others. I am not Kenyan, I have visited the country several times, I will be visiting it in the next month, I love it, its people, and have very good friends there.
I participated in one of the earlier public forums that helped to shape Kictanet and that fed into the numerous fiber initiatives to which you and most of us now enjoy: directly when we visit the country, and indirectly when we interact with good people like yourselves who continue to pave the way for how public consultation can shape future growth and development.
My comments are along three lines:
1. The benefits of lurkers: Being a lurker is not necessary a bad thing. Some of us continue to benefit from this list and learn good practices that inform public policy in many other areas. For instance, the Kictanet model is replicated across several national discussion lists in West Africa and have been suggested as a useful model for public consultation on policy issues. Lurkers benefit through propagate the good dialogues that emanate from this group in other forums beyond yours. See this as Kenya's export to the knowledge and information economy.
2. Questioning is good: Seeking ways through which this forum would become more relevant is also not necessarily a bad thing. Questioning leads to improvement. The day that every member of this group thinks that the list has arrived (group think), is the day it begins to slowly die a death. Thus, a constant review, as someone mentioned, against Kictanet's initial objectives is a good starting point; documenting its progress over the years through careful research (as another person mentioned) is also important. But significant consideration should be given to the medium of delivery and how this is relevant to the context of the times. "The medium is the message" (Marshall McLuhan). The medium should thus respond to the demands of the time. Considerations should be given to those for whom policy is deliberated but who do not have access to deliberate in its present form.
3. Kicktanet is one of several model that works: I am currently finalizing a toolkit (ebook and wiki) of several models that have worked for generating evidence and for seeking consent of those whom policy will affect using case studies of good practice models implemented across the world. Kictanet and this discussion list is featured prominently as one of them. I hope to share the outcome of this research once it has been published.
In sum, all these go to say that:
1. The list is useful to both lurkers and active members. 2. Its influence transcends Kenya and contributes to shaping policy and policy consultation beyond its borders. 3. The medium should respond to the dynamic context of communication technologies, and cater to the local context as well as the growing needs of its audience - present and future. It should therefore be shaped accordingly.
My two bob.
Ben A lurker.
On Thu, April 12, 2012 8:59 am, Evans Ikua wrote: > Now that we have to weigh in, I think this is an important list that it > serves its purposes well. If it falls silent for some time, then it means > that everyone is happy, which is not a bad thing. When its active, it > means > that people have issues, and they have a good place and forum to air their > concerns and opinion relating to the industry. > > As for the lurkers, they are also good to have. As someone said, one will > always speak out when their area of interest is mentioned and they have an > opinion to share. > > Regards, > Evans > > On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 4:49 PM, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke
<http://mc/compose?to=harry%40comtelsys.co.ke>> > wrote: > >> Now we talking. Please if you happen to be on this list, but presently >> on >> “read-only-mode” ( a new phrase I have learnt),**** >> >> please realize you owe it to this noble forum, started by noble people, >> with noble ideas at least in a way to leave some**** >> >> mark…**** >> >> ** ** >> >> So can we ensure that this forum carries the flag up higher and make a >> mark in this land and beyond that we can believe **** >> >> in. Have looked around, do not see any other forum with such >> broad/diverse >> membership.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Let’s keep the ideas coming in..**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Harry**** >> >> ** ** >> >> *From:*
kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke
<http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke%40lists.kictanet.or.ke> >>
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<http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke%40lists.kictanet.or.ke>] *On >> Behalf Of *Harry Hare >> *Sent:* Thursday, April 12, 2012 4:17 PM >> >> *To:* harry@comtelsys.co.ke
<http://mc/compose?to=harry%40comtelsys.co.ke> >> *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions >> *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the >> dustbin...!**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Hey all, there is a strategy document floating somewhere. I think this >> could be a good place to start – see what has been achieved, what fell >> by >> the way side, identify what is still relevant, plug in new ideas and >> strengthen the network. KICTANet should never be allowed to "kick".**** >> >> **** >> >> Harry Hare**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Director**** >> >> African eDevelopment Resource Centre**** >> >> PO Box 49475 00100**** >> >> Nairobi, Kenya**** >> >> Tel +254 20 4041646**** >> >> Cel +254 725 650044**** >> >> ** ** >> >> ** ** >> >> *From: *Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com <http://mc/compose?to=blongwe%40gmail.com>> >> *Date: *Thu, 12 Apr 2012 15:57:45 +0300 >> *To: *Harry Hare <harry@africanedevelopment.org
<http://mc/compose?to=harry%40africanedevelopment.org>> >> *Cc: *KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke
<http://mc/compose?to=kictanet%40lists.kictanet.or.ke>> >> *Subject: *Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the >> dustbin...!**** >> >> ** ** >> >> If we go back to early discussions about the multi-stakeholder network >> known as KICTAnet I recall there being a distinction between the mailing >> list participants, and those stakeholders who would actively engage in >> KICTAnet "activities".**** >> >> ** ** >> >> My take is that since there have been no "activities" as such - the >> feeling is that KICTAnet has "kicked" to borrow a phrase from >> @Harry.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> I remember there used to be monthly face-to-face meetings which followed >> a >> particular topic or theme of interest and served as an opportunity for >> participants from the various networks to meet within the context of the >> "network of networks". At the time there was program funding from donor >> to >> cover costs of those meetings, this has presumably, run out. Which leads >> me >> to ask, can we mobilise funds locally? At least for these gatherings? As >> they will give a greater element of traction to the organization while >> ensuring that it continues to remain relevant within the sector. >> Especially >> as the melting pot for policy debate.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Best regards,**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Brian**** >> >> ** ** >> >> On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 3:41 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu%40yahoo.com>> >> wrote:**** >> >> Joe, >> >> Currently listed number is 690 members from diverse backgrounds of >> Media, >> Academia, Govt, Regulator, Telcos(fixed, mobile, wireless). But as you >> noted not everyone is active -80% are often in read-only mode. That is >> one >> reason I thought we needed new thinking and new approaches... >> >> walu. >> >> --- On *Thu, 4/12/12, Joseph Mucheru <mucheru@google.com
<http://mc/compose?to=mucheru%40google.com>>* wrote:**** >> >> >> From: Joseph Mucheru <mucheru@google.com
<http://mc/compose?to=mucheru%40google.com>>**** >> >> >> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the >> dustbin...! >> To: jwalu@yahoo.com <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu%40yahoo.com> >> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" >> <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke
<http://mc/compose?to=kictanet%40lists.kictanet.or.ke>>**** >> >> Date: Thursday, April 12, 2012, 2:53 PM**** >> >> ** ** >> >> I am certainly above 35 and enjoy not only records but also the latest >> collaboration technologies "Google >>
Hangouts<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QN38vHZjWXw>" >> I agree that we need to review our aim and strategies but we need to >> have a >> representative forum that allows for that to take place. @Brian you know >> many participant on this list are in read only mode.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> @Walu/@Washington - can you give us an idea of the number of people >> actively subscribed to the list? Not the names but the number. This will >> be >> a good place to start. Dealing with facts and not guess work.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Thanks**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Joe**** >> >> ** ** >> >> On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 2:31 PM, Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau >> <solo.mburu@gmail.com
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<http://mc/compose?to=solo.mburu%40gmail.com>>> >> wrote:**** >> >> ** ** >> >> On 12 April 2012 14:26, robert yawe >> <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk
<http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe%40yahoo.co.uk><http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk
<http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe%40yahoo.co.uk>>> >> wrote:**** >> >> Harry,**** >> >> ** ** >> >> We are ageing, email is loosing is lustre and the new generation hate >> records and prefer platforms like twitter and facebook.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> The responsibility for keeping the forum active remains with those over >> 35 >> year old who unfortunately are trying to fit in with the younger >> crowd.*** >> * >> >> ** ** >> >> uuummmmm is there a way out of this loop.^C**** >> >> >> I'm below 35, but enjoy keeping records, in addition to facebook and >> twitter >> **** >> >> ** ** >> >> Regards **** >> >> **** >> >> Robert Yawe >> KAY System Technologies Ltd >> Phoenix House, 6th Floor >> P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 >> Kenya**** >> >> Tel:
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+254202010696begin_of_the_skype_highlighting+254202010696end_of_the_skype_highlighting**** >> ------------------------------ >> >> *From:* Harry Delano >> <harry@comtelsys.co.ke
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<http://mc/compose?to=kictanet%40lists.kictanet.or.ke>>> >> **** >> >> *Sent:* Thursday, 12 April 2012, 13:55**** >> >> >> *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the >> dustbin...!**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Ara..!**** >> >> **** >> >> Not many people seriously want to rejuvenate this forum, as per >> Brian/Walubengo’s suggestion…?**** >> >> **** >> >> Cannot imagine the forum becoming a good case study one day for some >> thesis student. Whose research titles among others:-**** >> >> · “How-to-kill a good forum, kick it into the dustbin and >> leave >> it for the dead” **** >> >> · “The rise and rise, and fall and fall of a myriad of many >> ICT >> forums in Kenya, the major one being….**** >> >> · “How-not-to build structural resilience and offer strategic >> leadership”. Why the big forum went M.I.A, and petered out..**** >> >> · And the final one perhaps, “ Do not repeat the mistakes >> listed >> above, time for a RESET..”!**** >> >> **** >> >> Certainly, unless otherwise – we might be headed for such a case >> study. >> Not sure if I should patent the titles, just in case..!**** >> >> **** >> >> Harry**** >> >> **** >> >> **** >> >> *From:* >>
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<http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke%40lists.kictanet.or.ke>>] >> *On Behalf Of *Brian Munyao Longwe >> *Sent:* Thursday, April 12, 2012 12:50 AM >> *To:* harry@comtelsys.co.ke
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<http://mc/compose?to=harry%40comtelsys.co.ke>> >> *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions >> *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the >> dustbin...!**** >> >> **** >> >> I think Walu is on the right track. Every organisation for-profit or >> not, >> has to reassess it's strategy, relevance, business direction and thrust >> periodically or risk falling into the shadows.**** >> >> **** >> >> Is it time for KICTAnet to do so?**** >> >> **** >> >> As one of the founders and a trustee I think that the time has come.**** >> >> **** >> >> My 2 shillings,**** >> >> **** >> >> Brian**** >> >> On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 6:21 PM, Walubengo J >> <jwalu@yahoo.com
<http://mc/compose?to=jwalu%40yahoo.com><http://mc/compose?to=jwalu@yahoo.com <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu%40yahoo.com>>> >> wrote:**** >> >> @Wash, >> >> Maybe Delano is insinuating something. Perhaps KICTAnet needs to >> re-juvinate >> and re-energize. Bring in new blood and thinking. What do we want from >> KICTAnet, 8yrs later? What management structures, membership structures, >> operational, financial structures do we want to see going forward? >> >> Perhaps a brainstorming face2face session is due. I for one have been >> the >> moderator since inception and maybe someone else can do a better job and >> we >> just have not asked them to come forth. Think about it - I could have >> run >> out of ideas or some younger dot.commer <http://dot.com> may just be >> sitting on better ways of moderation that I have never imagined... >> >> just my 2pings. >> >> walu. >> >> --- On *Wed, 4/11/12, Odhiambo Washington >> <odhiambo@gmail.com
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<http://mc/compose?to=odhiambo%40gmail.com><http://mc/compose?to=odhiambo@gmail.com <http://mc/compose?to=odhiambo%40gmail.com>> >> > >> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the >> dustbin...! >> To: jwalu@yahoo.com <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu%40yahoo.com> <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu@yahoo.com <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu%40yahoo.com>> >> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" >> <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke
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Yawe's expression and contribution may not be intellectual. Somewhere in the theatre of the absurd. While not all may accept, it has its own place and purpose. I want to believe that he achieved his objective. To stimulate some debate and education by IBM and other disciples. Taking offence is not a response but some reaction! Lucker Nancy Tel: +254727746156Sent from my BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: godera@skyweb.co.ke Sender: kictanet-bounces+n_macharia=yahoo.co.uk@lists.kictanet.or.ke Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 18:30:24 To: <n_macharia@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0 Dear Dr.Ndemo, In my view, Yawe's sensational headline actually ended up bringing out the relevance of Kictanet and way forward in some areas. For one, some lurkers came out and confirmed previous assumptions we had made. It is not negative at all. How we turn around situations is what determines whether it is really negative or positive. With due respect, it is time we stopped joining the stereo-typing bandwagon and prophesied better things for ourselves as Africans. We should not continue falling back into the negative tags Africans are given. As I had said in an earlier email, why not turn the "negative" into "positive"? What I saw here was positive,informative and educative content in the emails responding to Yawe's alarmist subject headline,nothing negative that warrants your "We are just Africans" statement. I am a proud African woman and I do not see myself as "just an African". I have never seen any comments saying "we are just white" yet the world is full of negative white people too! Much as there are many Africans out there who are not at the same level as others, we should not say "typical African" whenever we see or perceive anything to be negative. Ofcourse, many Africans seem to be challenged in many things but then again, many others have overcome some of these challenges. Those who have overcome simply turn the negative thing around. Sooner than later, you win people to your side. Truth be told, a lot of these things were all foreign to Africans. Unfortunately, due to unfair terrain of infrastructure, many are not as exposed as others. Some only joined the wagon when they reached the city and are still learning from poor examples. Others caught on while some are still lagging. But I know, all of these developed economies never started where they are today. We can leap frog, and we have in many instances, but we are still on the journey. So we are not "just Africans".I believe the listers are all proud Africans. And no,Yawe has not hoodwinked anyone into forgetting the discussion on way forward. Listers are just lurking. Lurkers, come out of the shell, even if just for this time to discuss way forward for Kictanet! Worry not about stepping on anyone's toes- as long as you mean well, there really should be no problem. We all respect each other in this list. Time for me to lurk a bit! Kind regards, Gilda On Wed, 18 Apr 2012 13:29:53 +0000, bitange@jambo.co.ke wrote:
Churchill is a Kenya comedian and last week he attempted to explain the difference between Asian and African businessmen. He said an Asian chooses for example to be in the shoe industry. His Children and grandchildren too tend to be in the same industry. They get a fair understanding shoes inside out. They understand what variables to change if they want to improve on revenue.
Africans on the other hand may start with selling shoes and within no time they are into selling pumps, potatoes, chicken, clothing as well as drilling boreholes and anything that can bring money. They do not do anything in detail, he said. Soon the empire collapses when the Asian is still standing.
Now just when we were just beginning to dissect what the future of Kicktanet should be by drawing from the past, Robert comes up with the headline the King "is dead" obviously knowing this will derail Ben's thread and suddenly we all fall for it. We are just Africans.
Ndemo.
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-----Original Message----- From: Ben Akoh <me@benakoh.com> Sender: kictanet-bounces+bitange=jambo.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.keDate: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 21:34:37 To: <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0
Hi all,
At the Vilnius IGF, the "ICTs, the Internet and Sustainable Development: Towards a new paradigm" book (see: http://www.iisd.org/pdf/2010/icts_internet_sd_new_paradigm.pdf) was launched which explored thinking on ICTs and the Internet, and the policies that surround them - both at the local level such as in countries like Kenya or at the global level such as at the international IGF, from a sustainable development perspective.
SD touches on three critical pillars of development - Economic, Social and Environmental. The book suggests that these pillars should be explored with a fundamental principle in mind: "Development that meets the needs of the present without compromising the ability of future generations to meet their own needs." This book presents important lessons that can help us adequately and efficiently conceptualize present and future visions for ICTs and the Internet, and policies that concern them. It may be useful as we think about the future of the internet in Kenya.
Firstly, I would like to suggest, if it pleases everyone on the list, and our moderator, Grace, to perhaps examine this future thinking process using these pillars of sustainable development - Economic, Social and Environmental. This can be done through asking listers, if they had to conceptualize a vision to meet our present needs in such a way that they do not compromise future needs (for our children) what would be the a) economic, b) social, and c) environmental impacts?
Secondly, the book provides a framework for examining future impacts of ICTs/Internet through what it calls the "systemic effects", and there are three of them.
The first order (direct) effects are direct and immediate effects of ICTs/Internet on our society, for instance, the direct effect of the Internet on Kenya is the increasing numbers of online business that generate more revenue for the country.
The second order (indirect) effects concern the applications of ICTs/Internet to increase efficiencies in other industries. For instance, the Internet can be used to improve the deployment of health services or education, etc.
The third order (societal) effect concerns the impacts on ICTs/Internet on changing social and behavioral structures. For instance, the use of the internet to reduce cost and change behaviors through, for example telecommuting, or online shopping.
Juxtaposing these systemic effects with the pillars of sustainable development can help us to better define specific approaches and also how to best conceptualize the future of ICTs/Internet in Kenya in a way that Kictanet would like to see, and that encompases those whom the policies will impact but who may not be opportuned to participate.
Using this framework, we would refine our question above by asking:
What first order, second order and third order effects can ICTs/Internet have now and in the future for:
a. Economic sustainability b. Social sustainability c. Environmental sustainability?
And what role can Kictanet play to make this happen?
Perhaps, this sort of structure can help us discuss systematically and in more depth, and can also ease Grace's job in sequentially documenting our dialogue and thoughts.
Thanks again for letting a lurker comment.
Best, Ben
On 4/17/12 4:53 AM, charles nduati wrote:
Hi Listers,
As a founder Director of KICTANET, I congratulate all of you for this contributions because they truly warm our hearts to know that we have somehow achieved our vision.
Robert, let me tell you, you don't know how many times I quote you the way also my mother quotes the announcers in the vernacular radio stations as if she is quoting from the bible even though she has never called in to the radio show discussions.
As for those who are proposing revamping, I will say like the incoming World bank president, coming from medicine field he only administers medicine that he has evidence it works and its safe.
Show me your evidence for your prescription and I am with you.
Charles Nduati CHARLES N. NDUATI GENERAL MANAGER JKUAT ENTERPRISES LTD JOMO KENYATTA UNIVERSITY OF AGRICULTURE AND TECHNOLOGY JUJA MAIN CAMPUS, THIKA P. O. BOX 79324-00200 NAIROBI, KENYA TEL: 254-067-52420 OR 254-067-52711 FAX: 254-067-52438 MOBILE:254-722728815
EMIAL:charlesnduati2002@yahoo.co.uk,cnduati@gmail.com,bm@jkuates.jkuat.ac.ke www.jkuat.ac.ke
------------------------------------------------------------------------ *From:* Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> *To:* charlesnduati2002@yahoo.co.uk *Cc:* kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke *Sent:* Monday, 16 April 2012, 13:54 *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0
@Gilda,
the ball is actually in EACH of our courts. I am also humbled by the former PS Murage's testimony. Think about it, this guy was for along time the President's Strategy Advisor - perhaps KICTAnet has had policy impact from the highest levels of this land (we all deserve some some consultancy fee from Govt ;-).
But am sure we can make even bigger strides as get more feedback from the membership. I assume GG is moderating, based on her recent summary. Keep the conversation going.
walu.
--- On *Mon, 4/16/12, Gilda Odera /<godera@skyweb.co.ke>/* wrote:
From: Gilda Odera <godera@skyweb.co.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0 To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Date: Monday, April 16, 2012, 11:59 AM
Joe, I like your suggestion. I agree- let us look at the next 10 years, review where we are, evaluate any shortfalls and come up with possible suggestions. We have evolved but we could be further. As Brian mentioned, this can be taken to the higher level once determined.I'd like to see more than 10 companies winning global competitions (why not?), lower Internet rates with greater speeds, many more innovations (because we have what it takes). My take is that we can do much more- let us up our game. Walu, ball in your court, let us get this going. Kind regards, Gilda
----- Original Message ----- *From:* Joseph Mucheru *To:* godera@skyweb.co.ke *Cc:* kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke *Sent:* Saturday, April 14, 2012 9:42 AM *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0
Harry/Gilda Et all,
Following this whole discussion I can help but conclude the country have moved to a different stage in the development of the ICT sector. In the past we came together because there were major issues we needed to deal with. The face 2 face was even important to ensure we framed the issues well for the stakeholders.
* We have a policy framework in place (an evolving one) * The market is competitive (call rates and internet rates are low) * We are leading in innovations in mobile money globally (mpesa) * iHub and other open community spaces are doing well - look at the mlab
<http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/MLab++gets+Sh1+31+billion+financial+boost+/-/1248928/1380044/-/t1p59dz/-/index.html> Content and other funding (Billions of shillings) * John Waibochi is winning global competitions with virtual city * Cables landed - 4G and evolving * etc .... * We still have some legacy issues (Telkom and Posta) - But we know there are qualified people dealing with them amongst others
Am not saying things are perfect, only that we have not identified an obvious national cross cutting issue to rally everyone around. Konza is a great but most people I have talked to are not clear how to engage (yet they do not want to be left out).
May I propose an action for this list. Paint a picture of Kenya's ICT sector in 2020. By this I mean, what do we all think Kenya's ICT sector will/can look like in next 10 years.
This will allow each of us to reflect of what we are doing today and how we can impact that vision of tomorrow.
Thanks
Joe
My view is we have exhausted discussions on setting a suitable framework and what we need is to move to the next level
On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 7:05 PM, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> wrote:
Thanks so much Gilda.____ ____ Actually, therein lies the conundrum – How to grow the forum potential that we have? How to spur on such a huge base as____ per Washington’s stats, to a wider participation/engagement for mutual benefit of all, the nation and beyond. Debate here____ on the good days can really, really be rich in content at the same time being informative & Educative.____ ____ Secondly, as Edwin earlier on stated, on those good days when debate – deliberation & conclusions is at its best, we____ unfortunately do not have mechanisms in place to follow this through with the decision makers – effectively influencing ____ policy. How do we address this..? It won’t just be enough to build up an archive for PhD students out of the Kictanet____ repositories.. Let these deliberations make a difference that can count in this country. ____ ____ That is Kictanet..____ ____ Harry____ ____ ____ *From:*Gilda Odera [mailto:godera@skyweb.co.ke] *Sent:* Friday, April 13, 2012 5:26 PM
*To:* harry@comtelsys.co.ke *Cc:* kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0____ ____ Hi Harry,____ ____ I am not too sure the sisters can be any more empowered- short of force feeding really!:)____ Those who feel strongly about something tend to drop a line.____ I don't even think it is a gender issue, I am sure if you check out the subscriber base you will find that people are just keeping quiet in the background but picking a lot.____ ____ How to make it more interactive?____ My suspicion is that many only read one thread and miss out the main thread of the debate and depending on what a subscriber has responded to, they sometimes "switch off" and do not read any more mails on that topic- in the process missing out on some interesting discussions in between.____ I think those who have something burning to say will say it anyway. The rest are neither here nor there in the debate so they see no need to comment nor read all the threads.____ Maybe on each topic the key Government agencies can be requested to always give an opinion- that may generate more participation.And the subject line would ensure it highlights " XXX's position on....".- Just wondering.____ Glad to read PS Murage's email to Grace- people are indeed reading Kictanet debates. ____ .____ ____ Gilda Odera____
----- Original Message ----- ____ *From:*Harry Delano ____ *To:*'Gilda Odera' ____ *Cc:*kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke ____ *Sent:*Friday, April 13, 2012 4:38 PM____ *Subject:*RE: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0____ ____ Thanks so much Gilda/Grace for your comments. So possibly from your own observation perhaps, how can we make ____ it more interactive and engaging, and attract more participation..? Could it be we need to make the environment a little ____ bit more conducive/friendlier and accommodative enough? My observation is the sisters are usually too silent. How____ do we empower..?____ ____ Secondly I do note, in its formative years Kictanet actively & professionally ( through representation) engaged a number____ of players on the national stage, such us the Ps, CCK, Govt Depts, to shape ICT policy. There have been positive results____ from those engagement sessions (kamkunji). That also seems to have faded off..? Any idea..?____ ____ This is because I have this strong feeling within, that since Kictanet was formed with the express objective to engage ____ on a multi-stakeholder platform, there has never been such a time in its history as now that we need to engage more, ____ and do so collectively. For instance, I thought this would be a time we would be actively engaging on Konza, Cyber____ security, just to name a few… or..?____ ____ Harry____ ____ ____
*From:*kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke
[mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] *On Behalf Of *Gilda Odera *Sent:* Friday, April 13, 2012 4:08 PM *To:* harry@comtelsys.co.ke *Cc:* kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0____ ____ Grace,____ ____ I think it is a cultural thing here. Many people would rather write directly to you during a debate, as you say below, rather than voice their opinion openly. I am thinking Kenyans are still very shy and scared of being seen to "step on another's toes"- just in case their comment may be going against someone's opinion. Many would rather hide and comment quietly to the person next to them or the person they are close to.____ I imagine that is why there are still so many things that remain unchanged in the country that could be changed if people came out and voiced their opinions.But the few who write must never feel discouraged as their voices are still being heard and they are impacting on so many. It takes a few people to bring about change. ____ My thoughts. ____ ____ Regards,____ ____ Gilda____ ____
----- Original Message ----- ____ *From:*Grace Githaiga ____ *To:*godera@skyweb.co.ke ____ *Cc:*kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke ____ *Sent:*Friday, April 13, 2012 3:36 PM____ *Subject:*RE: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0____ ____
Spot on Gilda. However, it may be useful to hear from some lurkers as to why they are not active participants of the forum (there is not so much from the sisters :)). Maybe there is something that can be done to allow for more participation? I have for example received comments off-list when I have moderated debates, and my question to those listers is that it would be nice for them to raise the very good comments here on this forum. Again, the aim is to strengthen the forum and have it continue to remain relevant. ____ ____ On another note, I have seen some of our discussions here quoted authoritatively on mainstream media, as well as on social media. ____ ____ Ben Akoh, we look forward to reading the findings of your research. ____ ____ Lets keep this debate live! It is very useful.____ ____ Rgds____ GG____
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you have the strength to survive, you have the power to succeed. Life is all about choices we make depending upon the situation we are in. Go forth and rule the World!____
------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: godera@skyweb.co.ke Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 14:12:58 +0300 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0 CC: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke To: ggithaiga@hotmail.com____ Long live Kictanet- as far as I am concerned.____ ____ Listers,____ ____ I think we need to remember that just like in any other forum, there are always the very few who engage in discussions while most do the listening. That is typical human behaviour, and it is therefore not odd nor is Kictanet dying because not all subscribed listers are actively participating.____ Personally, I am quite happy with the forum. And there has been so much to learn and listen to in the various debates- very useful.____ ____ Regards,____ ____ Gilda Odera____
----- Original Message ----- ____ *From:*Walubengo J ____ *To:*godera@skyweb.co.ke ____ *Cc:*KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions ____ *Sent:*Friday, April 13, 2012 12:04 PM____ *Subject:*Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0____ ____ Ben
This is a powerful testimony. I do also know of a PhD student whose core dataset is the KICTAnet archives. And others who got jobs/scholarships arising from KICTAnet posts. I think these are some of the stories that we want to hear from the "horses" mouth...
However, on the flip-side, I think we should also welcome the negative experiences - or challenges as it were - so that we can improve going forward.
walu. nb: ave taken the liberty to tweak the subject to include KICTAnet 2.0
--- On *Fri, 4/13/12, Ben Akoh /<me@benakoh.com>/* wrote:____
From: Ben Akoh <me@benakoh.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...! To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Friday, April 13, 2012, 2:17 AM____ Hi All,
My name is Ben Akoh and I am one of many lurkers on this list, and on many others. I am not Kenyan, I have visited the country several times, I will be visiting it in the next month, I love it, its people, and have very good friends there.
I participated in one of the earlier public forums that helped to shape Kictanet and that fed into the numerous fiber initiatives to which you and most of us now enjoy: directly when we visit the country, and indirectly when we interact with good people like yourselves who continue to pave the way for how public consultation can shape future growth and development.
My comments are along three lines:
1. The benefits of lurkers: Being a lurker is not necessary a bad thing. Some of us continue to benefit from this list and learn good practices that inform public policy in many other areas. For instance, the Kictanet model is replicated across several national discussion lists in West Africa and have been suggested as a useful model for public consultation on policy issues. Lurkers benefit through propagate the good dialogues that emanate from this group in other forums beyond yours. See this as Kenya's export to the knowledge and information economy.
2. Questioning is good: Seeking ways through which this forum would become more relevant is also not necessarily a bad thing. Questioning leads to improvement. The day that every member of this group thinks that the list has arrived (group think), is the day it begins to slowly die a death. Thus, a constant review, as someone mentioned, against Kictanet's initial objectives is a good starting point; documenting its progress over the years through careful research (as another person mentioned) is also important. But significant consideration should be given to the medium of delivery and how this is relevant to the context of the times. "The medium is the message" (Marshall McLuhan). The medium should thus respond to the demands of the time. Considerations should be given to those for whom policy is deliberated but who do not have access to deliberate in its present form.
3. Kicktanet is one of several model that works: I am currently finalizing a toolkit (ebook and wiki) of several models that have worked for generating evidence and for seeking consent of those whom policy will affect using case studies of good practice models implemented across the world. Kictanet and this discussion list is featured prominently as one of them. I hope to share the outcome of this research once it has been published.
In sum, all these go to say that:
1. The list is useful to both lurkers and active members. 2. Its influence transcends Kenya and contributes to shaping policy and policy consultation beyond its borders. 3. The medium should respond to the dynamic context of communication technologies, and cater to the local context as well as the growing needs of its audience - present and future. It should therefore be shaped accordingly.
My two bob.
Ben A lurker.
On Thu, April 12, 2012 8:59 am, Evans Ikua wrote: > Now that we have to weigh in, I think this is an important list that it > serves its purposes well. If it falls silent for some time, then it means > that everyone is happy, which is not a bad thing. When its active, it > means > that people have issues, and they have a good place and forum to air their > concerns and opinion relating to the industry. > > As for the lurkers, they are also good to have. As someone said, one will > always speak out when their area of interest is mentioned and they have an > opinion to share. > > Regards, > Evans > > On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 4:49 PM, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke
<http://mc/compose?to=harry%40comtelsys.co.ke>> > wrote: > >> Now we talking. Please if you happen to be on this list, but presently >> on >> “read-only-mode” ( a new phrase I have learnt),**** >> >> please realize you owe it to this noble forum, started by noble people, >> with noble ideas at least in a way to leave some**** >> >> mark…**** >> >> ** ** >> >> So can we ensure that this forum carries the flag up higher and make a >> mark in this land and beyond that we can believe **** >> >> in. Have looked around, do not see any other forum with such >> broad/diverse >> membership.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Let’s keep the ideas coming in..**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Harry**** >> >> ** ** >> >> *From:*
kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke
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<http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke%40lists.kictanet.or.ke>] *On >> Behalf Of *Harry Hare >> *Sent:* Thursday, April 12, 2012 4:17 PM >> >> *To:* harry@comtelsys.co.ke
<http://mc/compose?to=harry%40comtelsys.co.ke> >> *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions >> *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the >> dustbin...!**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Hey all, there is a strategy document floating somewhere. I think this >> could be a good place to start – see what has been achieved, what fell >> by >> the way side, identify what is still relevant, plug in new ideas and >> strengthen the network. KICTANet should never be allowed to "kick".**** >> >> **** >> >> Harry Hare**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Director**** >> >> African eDevelopment Resource Centre**** >> >> PO Box 49475 00100**** >> >> Nairobi, Kenya**** >> >> Tel +254 20 4041646**** >> >> Cel +254 725 650044**** >> >> ** ** >> >> ** ** >> >> *From: *Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com <http://mc/compose?to=blongwe%40gmail.com>> >> *Date: *Thu, 12 Apr 2012 15:57:45 +0300 >> *To: *Harry Hare <harry@africanedevelopment.org
<http://mc/compose?to=harry%40africanedevelopment.org>> >> *Cc: *KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke
<http://mc/compose?to=kictanet%40lists.kictanet.or.ke>> >> *Subject: *Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the >> dustbin...!**** >> >> ** ** >> >> If we go back to early discussions about the multi-stakeholder network >> known as KICTAnet I recall there being a distinction between the mailing >> list participants, and those stakeholders who would actively engage in >> KICTAnet "activities".**** >> >> ** ** >> >> My take is that since there have been no "activities" as such - the >> feeling is that KICTAnet has "kicked" to borrow a phrase from >> @Harry.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> I remember there used to be monthly face-to-face meetings which followed >> a >> particular topic or theme of interest and served as an opportunity for >> participants from the various networks to meet within the context of the >> "network of networks". At the time there was program funding from donor >> to >> cover costs of those meetings, this has presumably, run out. Which leads >> me >> to ask, can we mobilise funds locally? At least for these gatherings? As >> they will give a greater element of traction to the organization while >> ensuring that it continues to remain relevant within the sector. >> Especially >> as the melting pot for policy debate.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Best regards,**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Brian**** >> >> ** ** >> >> On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 3:41 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu%40yahoo.com>> >> wrote:**** >> >> Joe, >> >> Currently listed number is 690 members from diverse backgrounds of >> Media, >> Academia, Govt, Regulator, Telcos(fixed, mobile, wireless). But as you >> noted not everyone is active -80% are often in read-only mode. That is >> one >> reason I thought we needed new thinking and new approaches... >> >> walu. >> >> --- On *Thu, 4/12/12, Joseph Mucheru <mucheru@google.com
<http://mc/compose?to=mucheru%40google.com>>* wrote:**** >> >> >> From: Joseph Mucheru <mucheru@google.com
<http://mc/compose?to=mucheru%40google.com>>**** >> >> >> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the >> dustbin...! >> To: jwalu@yahoo.com <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu%40yahoo.com> >> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" >> <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke
<http://mc/compose?to=kictanet%40lists.kictanet.or.ke>>**** >> >> Date: Thursday, April 12, 2012, 2:53 PM**** >> >> ** ** >> >> I am certainly above 35 and enjoy not only records but also the latest >> collaboration technologies "Google >>
Hangouts<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QN38vHZjWXw>" >> I agree that we need to review our aim and strategies but we need to >> have a >> representative forum that allows for that to take place. @Brian you know >> many participant on this list are in read only mode.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> @Walu/@Washington - can you give us an idea of the number of people >> actively subscribed to the list? Not the names but the number. This will >> be >> a good place to start. Dealing with facts and not guess work.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Thanks**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Joe**** >> >> ** ** >> >> On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 2:31 PM, Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau >> <solo.mburu@gmail.com
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<http://mc/compose?to=solo.mburu%40gmail.com>>> >> wrote:**** >> >> ** ** >> >> On 12 April 2012 14:26, robert yawe >> <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk
<http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe%40yahoo.co.uk><http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk
<http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe%40yahoo.co.uk>>> >> wrote:**** >> >> Harry,**** >> >> ** ** >> >> We are ageing, email is loosing is lustre and the new generation hate >> records and prefer platforms like twitter and facebook.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> The responsibility for keeping the forum active remains with those over >> 35 >> year old who unfortunately are trying to fit in with the younger >> crowd.*** >> * >> >> ** ** >> >> uuummmmm is there a way out of this loop.^C**** >> >> >> I'm below 35, but enjoy keeping records, in addition to facebook and >> twitter >> **** >> >> ** ** >> >> Regards **** >> >> **** >> >> Robert Yawe >> KAY System Technologies Ltd >> Phoenix House, 6th Floor >> P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 >> Kenya**** >> >> Tel:
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+254202010696begin_of_the_skype_highlighting+254202010696end_of_the_skype_highlighting**** >> ------------------------------ >> >> *From:* Harry Delano >> <harry@comtelsys.co.ke
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<http://mc/compose?to=kictanet%40lists.kictanet.or.ke>>> >> **** >> >> *Sent:* Thursday, 12 April 2012, 13:55**** >> >> >> *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the >> dustbin...!**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Ara..!**** >> >> **** >> >> Not many people seriously want to rejuvenate this forum, as per >> Brian/Walubengo’s suggestion…?**** >> >> **** >> >> Cannot imagine the forum becoming a good case study one day for some >> thesis student. Whose research titles among others:-**** >> >> · “How-to-kill a good forum, kick it into the dustbin and >> leave >> it for the dead” **** >> >> · “The rise and rise, and fall and fall of a myriad of many >> ICT >> forums in Kenya, the major one being….**** >> >> · “How-not-to build structural resilience and offer strategic >> leadership”. Why the big forum went M.I.A, and petered out..**** >> >> · And the final one perhaps, “ Do not repeat the mistakes >> listed >> above, time for a RESET..”!**** >> >> **** >> >> Certainly, unless otherwise – we might be headed for such a case >> study. >> Not sure if I should patent the titles, just in case..!**** >> >> **** >> >> Harry**** >> >> **** >> >> **** >> >> *From:* >>
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<http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke%40lists.kictanet.or.ke>>] >> *On Behalf Of *Brian Munyao Longwe >> *Sent:* Thursday, April 12, 2012 12:50 AM >> *To:* harry@comtelsys.co.ke
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<http://mc/compose?to=harry%40comtelsys.co.ke>> >> *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions >> *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the >> dustbin...!**** >> >> **** >> >> I think Walu is on the right track. Every organisation for-profit or >> not, >> has to reassess it's strategy, relevance, business direction and thrust >> periodically or risk falling into the shadows.**** >> >> **** >> >> Is it time for KICTAnet to do so?**** >> >> **** >> >> As one of the founders and a trustee I think that the time has come.**** >> >> **** >> >> My 2 shillings,**** >> >> **** >> >> Brian**** >> >> On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 6:21 PM, Walubengo J >> <jwalu@yahoo.com
<http://mc/compose?to=jwalu%40yahoo.com><http://mc/compose?to=jwalu@yahoo.com <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu%40yahoo.com>>> >> wrote:**** >> >> @Wash, >> >> Maybe Delano is insinuating something. Perhaps KICTAnet needs to >> re-juvinate >> and re-energize. Bring in new blood and thinking. What do we want from >> KICTAnet, 8yrs later? What management structures, membership structures, >> operational, financial structures do we want to see going forward? >> >> Perhaps a brainstorming face2face session is due. I for one have been >> the >> moderator since inception and maybe someone else can do a better job and >> we >> just have not asked them to come forth. Think about it - I could have >> run >> out of ideas or some younger dot.commer <http://dot.com> may just be >> sitting on better ways of moderation that I have never imagined... >> >> just my 2pings. >> >> walu. >> >> --- On *Wed, 4/11/12, Odhiambo Washington >> <odhiambo@gmail.com
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<http://mc/compose?to=odhiambo%40gmail.com><http://mc/compose?to=odhiambo@gmail.com <http://mc/compose?to=odhiambo%40gmail.com>> >> > >> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the >> dustbin...! >> To: jwalu@yahoo.com <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu%40yahoo.com> <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu@yahoo.com <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu%40yahoo.com>> >> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" >> <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke
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Gilda, Let us get some mileage out of this disruption by proposing a revamp of Kictanet into a blog with multiple threads. In my view Ben Akoh raised some very serious issues that require discussion and possibly policy intervention. Such interventions do not just happen unless the issues are elevated to a level where politicians incorporate them into their DNA. We need to disagree on various issues but we need to rally behind issues of common understanding. The Military does this better to build consensus and cohesion. Often they create a rallying song as they go through their routine exercise. Just last week I visited a city school and found kids singing "Maranda must go... We must win". I sure majority of the kinds in the group had no idea where Maranda was but they understood they must work hard and beat Maranda. The Nazis used to say "if you want to tell a lie, tell a big lie that even yourself belief it is true". Here in Brazil the moto is "A rich country without poor people". Of course there are poor people here but they want to belief there isn't. We must deal with our stereotypes as perceived by comedians not by denying but by building consensus on who we want to be just like the Brazilians. Every person in the room laughed at Churchill joke, this was the sad part and not my provocative statement. Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: godera@skyweb.co.ke Sender: kictanet-bounces+bitange=jambo.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.keDate: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 18:30:24 To: <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0 Dear Dr.Ndemo, In my view, Yawe's sensational headline actually ended up bringing out the relevance of Kictanet and way forward in some areas. For one, some lurkers came out and confirmed previous assumptions we had made. It is not negative at all. How we turn around situations is what determines whether it is really negative or positive. With due respect, it is time we stopped joining the stereo-typing bandwagon and prophesied better things for ourselves as Africans. We should not continue falling back into the negative tags Africans are given. As I had said in an earlier email, why not turn the "negative" into "positive"? What I saw here was positive,informative and educative content in the emails responding to Yawe's alarmist subject headline,nothing negative that warrants your "We are just Africans" statement. I am a proud African woman and I do not see myself as "just an African". I have never seen any comments saying "we are just white" yet the world is full of negative white people too! Much as there are many Africans out there who are not at the same level as others, we should not say "typical African" whenever we see or perceive anything to be negative. Ofcourse, many Africans seem to be challenged in many things but then again, many others have overcome some of these challenges. Those who have overcome simply turn the negative thing around. Sooner than later, you win people to your side. Truth be told, a lot of these things were all foreign to Africans. Unfortunately, due to unfair terrain of infrastructure, many are not as exposed as others. Some only joined the wagon when they reached the city and are still learning from poor examples. Others caught on while some are still lagging. But I know, all of these developed economies never started where they are today. We can leap frog, and we have in many instances, but we are still on the journey. So we are not "just Africans".I believe the listers are all proud Africans. And no,Yawe has not hoodwinked anyone into forgetting the discussion on way forward. Listers are just lurking. Lurkers, come out of the shell, even if just for this time to discuss way forward for Kictanet! Worry not about stepping on anyone's toes- as long as you mean well, there really should be no problem. We all respect each other in this list. Time for me to lurk a bit! Kind regards, Gilda On Wed, 18 Apr 2012 13:29:53 +0000, bitange@jambo.co.ke wrote:
Churchill is a Kenya comedian and last week he attempted to explain the difference between Asian and African businessmen. He said an Asian chooses for example to be in the shoe industry. His Children and grandchildren too tend to be in the same industry. They get a fair understanding shoes inside out. They understand what variables to change if they want to improve on revenue.
Africans on the other hand may start with selling shoes and within no time they are into selling pumps, potatoes, chicken, clothing as well as drilling boreholes and anything that can bring money. They do not do anything in detail, he said. Soon the empire collapses when the Asian is still standing.
Now just when we were just beginning to dissect what the future of Kicktanet should be by drawing from the past, Robert comes up with the headline the King "is dead" obviously knowing this will derail Ben's thread and suddenly we all fall for it. We are just Africans.
Ndemo.
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-----Original Message----- From: Ben Akoh <me@benakoh.com> Sender: kictanet-bounces+bitange=jambo.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.keDate: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 21:34:37 To: <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0
Hi all,
At the Vilnius IGF, the "ICTs, the Internet and Sustainable Development: Towards a new paradigm" book (see: http://www.iisd.org/pdf/2010/icts_internet_sd_new_paradigm.pdf) was launched which explored thinking on ICTs and the Internet, and the policies that surround them - both at the local level such as in countries like Kenya or at the global level such as at the international IGF, from a sustainable development perspective.
SD touches on three critical pillars of development - Economic, Social and Environmental. The book suggests that these pillars should be explored with a fundamental principle in mind: "Development that meets the needs of the present without compromising the ability of future generations to meet their own needs." This book presents important lessons that can help us adequately and efficiently conceptualize present and future visions for ICTs and the Internet, and policies that concern them. It may be useful as we think about the future of the internet in Kenya.
Firstly, I would like to suggest, if it pleases everyone on the list, and our moderator, Grace, to perhaps examine this future thinking process using these pillars of sustainable development - Economic, Social and Environmental. This can be done through asking listers, if they had to conceptualize a vision to meet our present needs in such a way that they do not compromise future needs (for our children) what would be the a) economic, b) social, and c) environmental impacts?
Secondly, the book provides a framework for examining future impacts of ICTs/Internet through what it calls the "systemic effects", and there are three of them.
The first order (direct) effects are direct and immediate effects of ICTs/Internet on our society, for instance, the direct effect of the Internet on Kenya is the increasing numbers of online business that generate more revenue for the country.
The second order (indirect) effects concern the applications of ICTs/Internet to increase efficiencies in other industries. For instance, the Internet can be used to improve the deployment of health services or education, etc.
The third order (societal) effect concerns the impacts on ICTs/Internet on changing social and behavioral structures. For instance, the use of the internet to reduce cost and change behaviors through, for example telecommuting, or online shopping.
Juxtaposing these systemic effects with the pillars of sustainable development can help us to better define specific approaches and also how to best conceptualize the future of ICTs/Internet in Kenya in a way that Kictanet would like to see, and that encompases those whom the policies will impact but who may not be opportuned to participate.
Using this framework, we would refine our question above by asking:
What first order, second order and third order effects can ICTs/Internet have now and in the future for:
a. Economic sustainability b. Social sustainability c. Environmental sustainability?
And what role can Kictanet play to make this happen?
Perhaps, this sort of structure can help us discuss systematically and in more depth, and can also ease Grace's job in sequentially documenting our dialogue and thoughts.
Thanks again for letting a lurker comment.
Best, Ben
On 4/17/12 4:53 AM, charles nduati wrote:
Hi Listers,
As a founder Director of KICTANET, I congratulate all of you for this contributions because they truly warm our hearts to know that we have somehow achieved our vision.
Robert, let me tell you, you don't know how many times I quote you the way also my mother quotes the announcers in the vernacular radio stations as if she is quoting from the bible even though she has never called in to the radio show discussions.
As for those who are proposing revamping, I will say like the incoming World bank president, coming from medicine field he only administers medicine that he has evidence it works and its safe.
Show me your evidence for your prescription and I am with you.
Charles Nduati CHARLES N. NDUATI GENERAL MANAGER JKUAT ENTERPRISES LTD JOMO KENYATTA UNIVERSITY OF AGRICULTURE AND TECHNOLOGY JUJA MAIN CAMPUS, THIKA P. O. BOX 79324-00200 NAIROBI, KENYA TEL: 254-067-52420 OR 254-067-52711 FAX: 254-067-52438 MOBILE:254-722728815
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------------------------------------------------------------------------ *From:* Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> *To:* charlesnduati2002@yahoo.co.uk *Cc:* kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke *Sent:* Monday, 16 April 2012, 13:54 *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0
@Gilda,
the ball is actually in EACH of our courts. I am also humbled by the former PS Murage's testimony. Think about it, this guy was for along time the President's Strategy Advisor - perhaps KICTAnet has had policy impact from the highest levels of this land (we all deserve some some consultancy fee from Govt ;-).
But am sure we can make even bigger strides as get more feedback from the membership. I assume GG is moderating, based on her recent summary. Keep the conversation going.
walu.
--- On *Mon, 4/16/12, Gilda Odera /<godera@skyweb.co.ke>/* wrote:
From: Gilda Odera <godera@skyweb.co.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0 To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Date: Monday, April 16, 2012, 11:59 AM
Joe, I like your suggestion. I agree- let us look at the next 10 years, review where we are, evaluate any shortfalls and come up with possible suggestions. We have evolved but we could be further. As Brian mentioned, this can be taken to the higher level once determined.I'd like to see more than 10 companies winning global competitions (why not?), lower Internet rates with greater speeds, many more innovations (because we have what it takes). My take is that we can do much more- let us up our game. Walu, ball in your court, let us get this going. Kind regards, Gilda
----- Original Message ----- *From:* Joseph Mucheru *To:* godera@skyweb.co.ke *Cc:* kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke *Sent:* Saturday, April 14, 2012 9:42 AM *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0
Harry/Gilda Et all,
Following this whole discussion I can help but conclude the country have moved to a different stage in the development of the ICT sector. In the past we came together because there were major issues we needed to deal with. The face 2 face was even important to ensure we framed the issues well for the stakeholders.
* We have a policy framework in place (an evolving one) * The market is competitive (call rates and internet rates are low) * We are leading in innovations in mobile money globally (mpesa) * iHub and other open community spaces are doing well - look at the mlab
<http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/MLab++gets+Sh1+31+billion+financial+boost+/-/1248928/1380044/-/t1p59dz/-/index.html> Content and other funding (Billions of shillings) * John Waibochi is winning global competitions with virtual city * Cables landed - 4G and evolving * etc .... * We still have some legacy issues (Telkom and Posta) - But we know there are qualified people dealing with them amongst others
Am not saying things are perfect, only that we have not identified an obvious national cross cutting issue to rally everyone around. Konza is a great but most people I have talked to are not clear how to engage (yet they do not want to be left out).
May I propose an action for this list. Paint a picture of Kenya's ICT sector in 2020. By this I mean, what do we all think Kenya's ICT sector will/can look like in next 10 years.
This will allow each of us to reflect of what we are doing today and how we can impact that vision of tomorrow.
Thanks
Joe
My view is we have exhausted discussions on setting a suitable framework and what we need is to move to the next level
On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 7:05 PM, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> wrote:
Thanks so much Gilda.____ ____ Actually, therein lies the conundrum – How to grow the forum potential that we have? How to spur on such a huge base as____ per Washington’s stats, to a wider participation/engagement for mutual benefit of all, the nation and beyond. Debate here____ on the good days can really, really be rich in content at the same time being informative & Educative.____ ____ Secondly, as Edwin earlier on stated, on those good days when debate – deliberation & conclusions is at its best, we____ unfortunately do not have mechanisms in place to follow this through with the decision makers – effectively influencing ____ policy. How do we address this..? It won’t just be enough to build up an archive for PhD students out of the Kictanet____ repositories.. Let these deliberations make a difference that can count in this country. ____ ____ That is Kictanet..____ ____ Harry____ ____ ____ *From:*Gilda Odera [mailto:godera@skyweb.co.ke] *Sent:* Friday, April 13, 2012 5:26 PM
*To:* harry@comtelsys.co.ke *Cc:* kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0____ ____ Hi Harry,____ ____ I am not too sure the sisters can be any more empowered- short of force feeding really!:)____ Those who feel strongly about something tend to drop a line.____ I don't even think it is a gender issue, I am sure if you check out the subscriber base you will find that people are just keeping quiet in the background but picking a lot.____ ____ How to make it more interactive?____ My suspicion is that many only read one thread and miss out the main thread of the debate and depending on what a subscriber has responded to, they sometimes "switch off" and do not read any more mails on that topic- in the process missing out on some interesting discussions in between.____ I think those who have something burning to say will say it anyway. The rest are neither here nor there in the debate so they see no need to comment nor read all the threads.____ Maybe on each topic the key Government agencies can be requested to always give an opinion- that may generate more participation.And the subject line would ensure it highlights " XXX's position on....".- Just wondering.____ Glad to read PS Murage's email to Grace- people are indeed reading Kictanet debates. ____ .____ ____ Gilda Odera____
----- Original Message ----- ____ *From:*Harry Delano ____ *To:*'Gilda Odera' ____ *Cc:*kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke ____ *Sent:*Friday, April 13, 2012 4:38 PM____ *Subject:*RE: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0____ ____ Thanks so much Gilda/Grace for your comments. So possibly from your own observation perhaps, how can we make ____ it more interactive and engaging, and attract more participation..? Could it be we need to make the environment a little ____ bit more conducive/friendlier and accommodative enough? My observation is the sisters are usually too silent. How____ do we empower..?____ ____ Secondly I do note, in its formative years Kictanet actively & professionally ( through representation) engaged a number____ of players on the national stage, such us the Ps, CCK, Govt Depts, to shape ICT policy. There have been positive results____ from those engagement sessions (kamkunji). That also seems to have faded off..? Any idea..?____ ____ This is because I have this strong feeling within, that since Kictanet was formed with the express objective to engage ____ on a multi-stakeholder platform, there has never been such a time in its history as now that we need to engage more, ____ and do so collectively. For instance, I thought this would be a time we would be actively engaging on Konza, Cyber____ security, just to name a few… or..?____ ____ Harry____ ____ ____
*From:*kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke
[mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] *On Behalf Of *Gilda Odera *Sent:* Friday, April 13, 2012 4:08 PM *To:* harry@comtelsys.co.ke *Cc:* kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0____ ____ Grace,____ ____ I think it is a cultural thing here. Many people would rather write directly to you during a debate, as you say below, rather than voice their opinion openly. I am thinking Kenyans are still very shy and scared of being seen to "step on another's toes"- just in case their comment may be going against someone's opinion. Many would rather hide and comment quietly to the person next to them or the person they are close to.____ I imagine that is why there are still so many things that remain unchanged in the country that could be changed if people came out and voiced their opinions.But the few who write must never feel discouraged as their voices are still being heard and they are impacting on so many. It takes a few people to bring about change. ____ My thoughts. ____ ____ Regards,____ ____ Gilda____ ____
----- Original Message ----- ____ *From:*Grace Githaiga ____ *To:*godera@skyweb.co.ke ____ *Cc:*kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke ____ *Sent:*Friday, April 13, 2012 3:36 PM____ *Subject:*RE: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0____ ____
Spot on Gilda. However, it may be useful to hear from some lurkers as to why they are not active participants of the forum (there is not so much from the sisters :)). Maybe there is something that can be done to allow for more participation? I have for example received comments off-list when I have moderated debates, and my question to those listers is that it would be nice for them to raise the very good comments here on this forum. Again, the aim is to strengthen the forum and have it continue to remain relevant. ____ ____ On another note, I have seen some of our discussions here quoted authoritatively on mainstream media, as well as on social media. ____ ____ Ben Akoh, we look forward to reading the findings of your research. ____ ____ Lets keep this debate live! It is very useful.____ ____ Rgds____ GG____
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you have the strength to survive, you have the power to succeed. Life is all about choices we make depending upon the situation we are in. Go forth and rule the World!____
------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: godera@skyweb.co.ke Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 14:12:58 +0300 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0 CC: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke To: ggithaiga@hotmail.com____ Long live Kictanet- as far as I am concerned.____ ____ Listers,____ ____ I think we need to remember that just like in any other forum, there are always the very few who engage in discussions while most do the listening. That is typical human behaviour, and it is therefore not odd nor is Kictanet dying because not all subscribed listers are actively participating.____ Personally, I am quite happy with the forum. And there has been so much to learn and listen to in the various debates- very useful.____ ____ Regards,____ ____ Gilda Odera____
----- Original Message ----- ____ *From:*Walubengo J ____ *To:*godera@skyweb.co.ke ____ *Cc:*KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions ____ *Sent:*Friday, April 13, 2012 12:04 PM____ *Subject:*Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0____ ____ Ben
This is a powerful testimony. I do also know of a PhD student whose core dataset is the KICTAnet archives. And others who got jobs/scholarships arising from KICTAnet posts. I think these are some of the stories that we want to hear from the "horses" mouth...
However, on the flip-side, I think we should also welcome the negative experiences - or challenges as it were - so that we can improve going forward.
walu. nb: ave taken the liberty to tweak the subject to include KICTAnet 2.0
--- On *Fri, 4/13/12, Ben Akoh /<me@benakoh.com>/* wrote:____
From: Ben Akoh <me@benakoh.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...! To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Friday, April 13, 2012, 2:17 AM____ Hi All,
My name is Ben Akoh and I am one of many lurkers on this list, and on many others. I am not Kenyan, I have visited the country several times, I will be visiting it in the next month, I love it, its people, and have very good friends there.
I participated in one of the earlier public forums that helped to shape Kictanet and that fed into the numerous fiber initiatives to which you and most of us now enjoy: directly when we visit the country, and indirectly when we interact with good people like yourselves who continue to pave the way for how public consultation can shape future growth and development.
My comments are along three lines:
1. The benefits of lurkers: Being a lurker is not necessary a bad thing. Some of us continue to benefit from this list and learn good practices that inform public policy in many other areas. For instance, the Kictanet model is replicated across several national discussion lists in West Africa and have been suggested as a useful model for public consultation on policy issues. Lurkers benefit through propagate the good dialogues that emanate from this group in other forums beyond yours. See this as Kenya's export to the knowledge and information economy.
2. Questioning is good: Seeking ways through which this forum would become more relevant is also not necessarily a bad thing. Questioning leads to improvement. The day that every member of this group thinks that the list has arrived (group think), is the day it begins to slowly die a death. Thus, a constant review, as someone mentioned, against Kictanet's initial objectives is a good starting point; documenting its progress over the years through careful research (as another person mentioned) is also important. But significant consideration should be given to the medium of delivery and how this is relevant to the context of the times. "The medium is the message" (Marshall McLuhan). The medium should thus respond to the demands of the time. Considerations should be given to those for whom policy is deliberated but who do not have access to deliberate in its present form.
3. Kicktanet is one of several model that works: I am currently finalizing a toolkit (ebook and wiki) of several models that have worked for generating evidence and for seeking consent of those whom policy will affect using case studies of good practice models implemented across the world. Kictanet and this discussion list is featured prominently as one of them. I hope to share the outcome of this research once it has been published.
In sum, all these go to say that:
1. The list is useful to both lurkers and active members. 2. Its influence transcends Kenya and contributes to shaping policy and policy consultation beyond its borders. 3. The medium should respond to the dynamic context of communication technologies, and cater to the local context as well as the growing needs of its audience - present and future. It should therefore be shaped accordingly.
My two bob.
Ben A lurker.
On Thu, April 12, 2012 8:59 am, Evans Ikua wrote: > Now that we have to weigh in, I think this is an important list that it > serves its purposes well. If it falls silent for some time, then it means > that everyone is happy, which is not a bad thing. When its active, it > means > that people have issues, and they have a good place and forum to air their > concerns and opinion relating to the industry. > > As for the lurkers, they are also good to have. As someone said, one will > always speak out when their area of interest is mentioned and they have an > opinion to share. > > Regards, > Evans > > On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 4:49 PM, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke
<http://mc/compose?to=harry%40comtelsys.co.ke>> > wrote: > >> Now we talking. Please if you happen to be on this list, but presently >> on >> “read-only-mode” ( a new phrase I have learnt),**** >> >> please realize you owe it to this noble forum, started by noble people, >> with noble ideas at least in a way to leave some**** >> >> mark…**** >> >> ** ** >> >> So can we ensure that this forum carries the flag up higher and make a >> mark in this land and beyond that we can believe **** >> >> in. Have looked around, do not see any other forum with such >> broad/diverse >> membership.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Let’s keep the ideas coming in..**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Harry**** >> >> ** ** >> >> *From:*
kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke
<http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke%40lists.kictanet.or.ke> >>
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<http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke%40lists.kictanet.or.ke>] *On >> Behalf Of *Harry Hare >> *Sent:* Thursday, April 12, 2012 4:17 PM >> >> *To:* harry@comtelsys.co.ke
<http://mc/compose?to=harry%40comtelsys.co.ke> >> *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions >> *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the >> dustbin...!**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Hey all, there is a strategy document floating somewhere. I think this >> could be a good place to start – see what has been achieved, what fell >> by >> the way side, identify what is still relevant, plug in new ideas and >> strengthen the network. KICTANet should never be allowed to "kick".**** >> >> **** >> >> Harry Hare**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Director**** >> >> African eDevelopment Resource Centre**** >> >> PO Box 49475 00100**** >> >> Nairobi, Kenya**** >> >> Tel +254 20 4041646**** >> >> Cel +254 725 650044**** >> >> ** ** >> >> ** ** >> >> *From: *Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com <http://mc/compose?to=blongwe%40gmail.com>> >> *Date: *Thu, 12 Apr 2012 15:57:45 +0300 >> *To: *Harry Hare <harry@africanedevelopment.org
<http://mc/compose?to=harry%40africanedevelopment.org>> >> *Cc: *KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke
<http://mc/compose?to=kictanet%40lists.kictanet.or.ke>> >> *Subject: *Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the >> dustbin...!**** >> >> ** ** >> >> If we go back to early discussions about the multi-stakeholder network >> known as KICTAnet I recall there being a distinction between the mailing >> list participants, and those stakeholders who would actively engage in >> KICTAnet "activities".**** >> >> ** ** >> >> My take is that since there have been no "activities" as such - the >> feeling is that KICTAnet has "kicked" to borrow a phrase from >> @Harry.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> I remember there used to be monthly face-to-face meetings which followed >> a >> particular topic or theme of interest and served as an opportunity for >> participants from the various networks to meet within the context of the >> "network of networks". At the time there was program funding from donor >> to >> cover costs of those meetings, this has presumably, run out. Which leads >> me >> to ask, can we mobilise funds locally? At least for these gatherings? As >> they will give a greater element of traction to the organization while >> ensuring that it continues to remain relevant within the sector. >> Especially >> as the melting pot for policy debate.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Best regards,**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Brian**** >> >> ** ** >> >> On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 3:41 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu%40yahoo.com>> >> wrote:**** >> >> Joe, >> >> Currently listed number is 690 members from diverse backgrounds of >> Media, >> Academia, Govt, Regulator, Telcos(fixed, mobile, wireless). But as you >> noted not everyone is active -80% are often in read-only mode. That is >> one >> reason I thought we needed new thinking and new approaches... >> >> walu. >> >> --- On *Thu, 4/12/12, Joseph Mucheru <mucheru@google.com
<http://mc/compose?to=mucheru%40google.com>>* wrote:**** >> >> >> From: Joseph Mucheru <mucheru@google.com
<http://mc/compose?to=mucheru%40google.com>>**** >> >> >> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the >> dustbin...! >> To: jwalu@yahoo.com <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu%40yahoo.com> >> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" >> <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke
<http://mc/compose?to=kictanet%40lists.kictanet.or.ke>>**** >> >> Date: Thursday, April 12, 2012, 2:53 PM**** >> >> ** ** >> >> I am certainly above 35 and enjoy not only records but also the latest >> collaboration technologies "Google >>
Hangouts<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QN38vHZjWXw>" >> I agree that we need to review our aim and strategies but we need to >> have a >> representative forum that allows for that to take place. @Brian you know >> many participant on this list are in read only mode.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> @Walu/@Washington - can you give us an idea of the number of people >> actively subscribed to the list? Not the names but the number. This will >> be >> a good place to start. Dealing with facts and not guess work.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Thanks**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Joe**** >> >> ** ** >> >> On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 2:31 PM, Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau >> <solo.mburu@gmail.com
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<http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe%40yahoo.co.uk>>> >> wrote:**** >> >> Harry,**** >> >> ** ** >> >> We are ageing, email is loosing is lustre and the new generation hate >> records and prefer platforms like twitter and facebook.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> The responsibility for keeping the forum active remains with those over >> 35 >> year old who unfortunately are trying to fit in with the younger >> crowd.*** >> * >> >> ** ** >> >> uuummmmm is there a way out of this loop.^C**** >> >> >> I'm below 35, but enjoy keeping records, in addition to facebook and >> twitter >> **** >> >> ** ** >> >> Regards **** >> >> **** >> >> Robert Yawe >> KAY System Technologies Ltd >> Phoenix House, 6th Floor >> P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 >> Kenya**** >> >> Tel:
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+254202010696begin_of_the_skype_highlighting+254202010696end_of_the_skype_highlighting**** >> ------------------------------ >> >> *From:* Harry Delano >> <harry@comtelsys.co.ke
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<http://mc/compose?to=kictanet%40lists.kictanet.or.ke>>> >> **** >> >> *Sent:* Thursday, 12 April 2012, 13:55**** >> >> >> *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the >> dustbin...!**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Ara..!**** >> >> **** >> >> Not many people seriously want to rejuvenate this forum, as per >> Brian/Walubengo’s suggestion…?**** >> >> **** >> >> Cannot imagine the forum becoming a good case study one day for some >> thesis student. Whose research titles among others:-**** >> >> · “How-to-kill a good forum, kick it into the dustbin and >> leave >> it for the dead” **** >> >> · “The rise and rise, and fall and fall of a myriad of many >> ICT >> forums in Kenya, the major one being….**** >> >> · “How-not-to build structural resilience and offer strategic >> leadership”. Why the big forum went M.I.A, and petered out..**** >> >> · And the final one perhaps, “ Do not repeat the mistakes >> listed >> above, time for a RESET..”!**** >> >> **** >> >> Certainly, unless otherwise – we might be headed for such a case >> study. >> Not sure if I should patent the titles, just in case..!**** >> >> **** >> >> Harry**** >> >> **** >> >> **** >> >> *From:* >>
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<http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke%40lists.kictanet.or.ke>>] >> *On Behalf Of *Brian Munyao Longwe >> *Sent:* Thursday, April 12, 2012 12:50 AM >> *To:* harry@comtelsys.co.ke
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<http://mc/compose?to=harry%40comtelsys.co.ke>> >> *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions >> *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the >> dustbin...!**** >> >> **** >> >> I think Walu is on the right track. Every organisation for-profit or >> not, >> has to reassess it's strategy, relevance, business direction and thrust >> periodically or risk falling into the shadows.**** >> >> **** >> >> Is it time for KICTAnet to do so?**** >> >> **** >> >> As one of the founders and a trustee I think that the time has come.**** >> >> **** >> >> My 2 shillings,**** >> >> **** >> >> Brian**** >> >> On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 6:21 PM, Walubengo J >> <jwalu@yahoo.com
<http://mc/compose?to=jwalu%40yahoo.com><http://mc/compose?to=jwalu@yahoo.com <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu%40yahoo.com>>> >> wrote:**** >> >> @Wash, >> >> Maybe Delano is insinuating something. Perhaps KICTAnet needs to >> re-juvinate >> and re-energize. Bring in new blood and thinking. What do we want from >> KICTAnet, 8yrs later? What management structures, membership structures, >> operational, financial structures do we want to see going forward? >> >> Perhaps a brainstorming face2face session is due. I for one have been >> the >> moderator since inception and maybe someone else can do a better job and >> we >> just have not asked them to come forth. Think about it - I could have >> run >> out of ideas or some younger dot.commer <http://dot.com> may just be >> sitting on better ways of moderation that I have never imagined... >> >> just my 2pings. >> >> walu. >> >> --- On *Wed, 4/11/12, Odhiambo Washington >> <odhiambo@gmail.com
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<http://mc/compose?to=odhiambo%40gmail.com><http://mc/compose?to=odhiambo@gmail.com <http://mc/compose?to=odhiambo%40gmail.com>> >> > >> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the >> dustbin...! >> To: jwalu@yahoo.com <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu%40yahoo.com> <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu@yahoo.com <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu%40yahoo.com>> >> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" >> <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke
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Dear all, It’s encouraging that we back to talking terms again. Let’s please keep talking to each other.....! Thanks Dr. Ndemo for the idea you suggested. Had previously thought along the same lines when this discussion initially started. If we would take your cue, then listers can we propose that KICTAnet 2.0 forum be split into threads along the following lines...? Listers can have the freedom to subscribe to the forum discussion list they want, since some of us might wish to filter some certain discussions… 1. Policy Discussions List ******************************* · Purpose: This would kind of constitute the "Hard-talk", "watchdog", "frank-discussion" part of the forum to handle, influence and impact policy discussion topics of the day such as Cyber Security, Digital dive, Vision 2030, etc · Subscription & Participation:- Automatic entry for active listers. A must for the participants to actively engage. · Some clear Rules of engagement & participation needed. Bring aboard policy makers especially Govt agencies. · We can deploy a Google hangout for example in the PS office, if we need to engage him online, and post the link in this section. · Open/closed to the rest of listers? - Discussants to reach a consensus · Why it is needed:- There is been a great resourceful discussion here that goes cold and frankly speaking goes to waste since we do not have follow-through mechanism. This doesn't do justice to the initiators of these threads. 2.General & News List ************************** · Users can subscribe and post & discuss anything general and any technology news making headlines in the Market. · This can also form the Educative/informative arm of KICTAnet · It can also be the “Online ICT lounge” arm of KICTAnet 3. Technology List ******************* · The Tech oriented can hurdle here. To cover "the-What", "the-when", "the-how" to implement technology. e.g., IPV6,DNSSEC,BGP,Cybersec, etc.. 4. Classified section - Income generation for KICTAnet ********************* · Time for KICTAnet to generate some income to fund some of its core activities..?, and why not..? Create a section to cover those who have interesting technology to sell/market. You need a banner on a section of KICTAnet..? Be ready to pay.. · We now have a wide audience who benefit in one way or the other from the list, and I'm certain we would support this initiative to enable KICTAnet grow/stand, besides some other ways (ideas welcome) to enable it generate income. Of course structures needed in place for this to work adequately… Am sure a huge part of the audience comprise ICT consumers as well, who would be interested in upcoming technology. 5. Others ( Ideas welcome) ***************************** Regards, Harry -----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of bitange@jambo.co.ke Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 9:59 PM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0 Gilda, Let us get some mileage out of this disruption by proposing a revamp of Kictanet into a blog with multiple threads. In my view Ben Akoh raised some very serious issues that require discussion and possibly policy intervention. Such interventions do not just happen unless the issues are elevated to a level where politicians incorporate them into their DNA. We need to disagree on various issues but we need to rally behind issues of common understanding. The Military does this better to build consensus and cohesion. Often they create a rallying song as they go through their routine exercise. Just last week I visited a city school and found kids singing "Maranda must go... We must win". I sure majority of the kinds in the group had no idea where Maranda was but they understood they must work hard and beat Maranda. The Nazis used to say "if you want to tell a lie, tell a big lie that even yourself belief it is true". Here in Brazil the moto is "A rich country without poor people". Of course there are poor people here but they want to belief there isn't. We must deal with our stereotypes as perceived by comedians not by denying but by building consensus on who we want to be just like the Brazilians. Every person in the room laughed at Churchill joke, this was the sad part and not my provocative statement. Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: godera@skyweb.co.ke Sender: kictanet-bounces+bitange=jambo.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.keDate: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 18:30:24 To: <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0 Dear Dr.Ndemo, In my view, Yawe's sensational headline actually ended up bringing out the relevance of Kictanet and way forward in some areas. For one, some lurkers came out and confirmed previous assumptions we had made. It is not negative at all. How we turn around situations is what determines whether it is really negative or positive. With due respect, it is time we stopped joining the stereo-typing bandwagon and prophesied better things for ourselves as Africans. We should not continue falling back into the negative tags Africans are given. As I had said in an earlier email, why not turn the "negative" into "positive"? What I saw here was positive,informative and educative content in the emails responding to Yawe's alarmist subject headline,nothing negative that warrants your "We are just Africans" statement. I am a proud African woman and I do not see myself as "just an African". I have never seen any comments saying "we are just white" yet the world is full of negative white people too! Much as there are many Africans out there who are not at the same level as others, we should not say "typical African" whenever we see or perceive anything to be negative. Ofcourse, many Africans seem to be challenged in many things but then again, many others have overcome some of these challenges. Those who have overcome simply turn the negative thing around. Sooner than later, you win people to your side. Truth be told, a lot of these things were all foreign to Africans. Unfortunately, due to unfair terrain of infrastructure, many are not as exposed as others. Some only joined the wagon when they reached the city and are still learning from poor examples. Others caught on while some are still lagging. But I know, all of these developed economies never started where they are today. We can leap frog, and we have in many instances, but we are still on the journey. So we are not "just Africans".I believe the listers are all proud Africans. And no,Yawe has not hoodwinked anyone into forgetting the discussion on way forward. Listers are just lurking. Lurkers, come out of the shell, even if just for this time to discuss way forward for Kictanet! Worry not about stepping on anyone's toes- as long as you mean well, there really should be no problem. We all respect each other in this list. Time for me to lurk a bit! Kind regards, Gilda On Wed, 18 Apr 2012 13:29:53 +0000, bitange@jambo.co.ke wrote:
Churchill is a Kenya comedian and last week he attempted to explain
the difference between Asian and African businessmen. He said an
Asian chooses for example to be in the shoe industry. His Children
and grandchildren too tend to be in the same industry. They get a
fair understanding shoes inside out. They understand what variables
to change if they want to improve on revenue.
Africans on the other hand may start with selling shoes and within no
time they are into selling pumps, potatoes, chicken, clothing as well
as drilling boreholes and anything that can bring money. They do not
do anything in detail, he said. Soon the empire collapses when the
Asian is still standing.
Now just when we were just beginning to dissect what the future of
Kicktanet should be by drawing from the past, Robert comes up with
the
headline the King "is dead" obviously knowing this will derail Ben's
thread and suddenly we all fall for it. We are just Africans.
Ndemo.
Sent from my BlackBerry®
-----Original Message-----
From: Ben Akoh <me@benakoh.com>
Sender:
kictanet-bounces+bitange=jambo.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.keDate: Tue,
17
Apr 2012 21:34:37
To: <bitange@jambo.co.ke>
Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into
KICTAnet 2.0
Hi all,
At the Vilnius IGF, the "ICTs, the Internet and Sustainable
Development:
Towards a new paradigm" book (see:
http://www.iisd.org/pdf/2010/icts_internet_sd_new_paradigm.pdf) was
launched which explored thinking on ICTs and the Internet, and the
policies that surround them - both at the local level such as in
countries like Kenya or at the global level such as at the
international
IGF, from a sustainable development perspective.
SD touches on three critical pillars of development - Economic,
Social
and Environmental. The book suggests that these pillars should be
explored with a fundamental principle in mind: "Development that
meets
the needs of the present without compromising the ability of future
generations to meet their own needs." This book presents important
lessons that can help us adequately and efficiently conceptualize
present and future visions for ICTs and the Internet, and policies
that
concern them. It may be useful as we think about the future of the
internet in Kenya.
Firstly, I would like to suggest, if it pleases everyone on the list,
and our moderator, Grace, to perhaps examine this future thinking
process using these pillars of sustainable development - Economic,
Social and Environmental. This can be done through asking listers, if
they had to conceptualize a vision to meet our present needs in such
a
way that they do not compromise future needs (for our children) what
would be the a) economic, b) social, and c) environmental impacts?
Secondly, the book provides a framework for examining future impacts
of
ICTs/Internet through what it calls the "systemic effects", and there
are three of them.
The first order (direct) effects are direct and immediate effects of
ICTs/Internet on our society, for instance, the direct effect of the
Internet on Kenya is the increasing numbers of online business that
generate more revenue for the country.
The second order (indirect) effects concern the applications of
ICTs/Internet to increase efficiencies in other industries. For
instance, the Internet can be used to improve the deployment of
health
services or education, etc.
The third order (societal) effect concerns the impacts on
ICTs/Internet
on changing social and behavioral structures. For instance, the use
of
the internet to reduce cost and change behaviors through, for example
telecommuting, or online shopping.
Juxtaposing these systemic effects with the pillars of sustainable
development can help us to better define specific approaches and also
how to best conceptualize the future of ICTs/Internet in Kenya in a
way
that Kictanet would like to see, and that encompases those whom the
policies will impact but who may not be opportuned to participate.
Using this framework, we would refine our question above by asking:
What first order, second order and third order effects can
ICTs/Internet
have now and in the future for:
a. Economic sustainability
b. Social sustainability
c. Environmental sustainability?
And what role can Kictanet play to make this happen?
Perhaps, this sort of structure can help us discuss systematically
and
in more depth, and can also ease Grace's job in sequentially
documenting
our dialogue and thoughts.
Thanks again for letting a lurker comment.
Best,
Ben
On 4/17/12 4:53 AM, charles nduati wrote:
Hi Listers,
As a founder Director of KICTANET, I congratulate all of you for
this
contributions because they truly warm our hearts to know that we
have
somehow achieved our vision.
Robert, let me tell you, you don't know how many times I quote you
the
way also my mother quotes the announcers in the vernacular radio
stations as if she is quoting from the bible even though she has
never
called in to the radio show discussions.
As for those who are proposing revamping, I will say like the
incoming
World bank president, coming from medicine field he only administers
medicine that he has evidence it works and its safe.
Show me your evidence for your prescription and I am with you.
Charles Nduati
CHARLES N. NDUATI
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JKUAT ENTERPRISES LTD
JOMO KENYATTA UNIVERSITY OF AGRICULTURE AND TECHNOLOGY
JUJA MAIN CAMPUS, THIKA
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NAIROBI, KENYA
TEL: 254-067-52420 OR 254-067-52711 FAX: 254-067-52438
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*From:* Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com>
*To:* charlesnduati2002@yahoo.co.uk
*Cc:* kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke
*Sent:* Monday, 16 April 2012, 13:54
*Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into
KICTAnet 2.0
@Gilda,
the ball is actually in EACH of our courts. I am also humbled by the
former PS Murage's testimony. Think about it, this guy was for along
time the President's Strategy Advisor - perhaps KICTAnet has had
policy
impact from the highest levels of this land (we all deserve some
some
consultancy fee from Govt ;-).
But am sure we can make even bigger strides as get more feedback
from
the membership. I assume GG is moderating, based on her recent
summary.
Keep the conversation going.
walu.
--- On *Mon, 4/16/12, Gilda Odera /<godera@skyweb.co.ke>/* wrote:
From: Gilda Odera <godera@skyweb.co.ke>
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into
KICTAnet 2.0
To: jwalu@yahoo.com
Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke
Date: Monday, April 16, 2012, 11:59 AM
Joe,
I like your suggestion. I agree- let us look at the next 10
years,
review where we are, evaluate any shortfalls and come up with
possible suggestions. We have evolved but we could be further.
As
Brian mentioned, this can be taken to the higher level once
determined.I'd like to see more than 10 companies winning global
competitions (why not?), lower Internet rates with greater
speeds,
many more innovations (because we have what it takes). My take
is
that we can do much more- let us up our game.
Walu, ball in your court, let us get this going.
Kind regards,
Gilda
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Joseph Mucheru
*To:* godera@skyweb.co.ke
*Cc:* kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke
*Sent:* Saturday, April 14, 2012 9:42 AM
*Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked
into KICTAnet 2.0
Harry/Gilda Et all,
Following this whole discussion I can help but conclude the
country have moved to a different stage in the development
of
the ICT sector. In the past we came together because there
were
major issues we needed to deal with. The face 2 face was
even
important to ensure we framed the issues well for the
stakeholders.
* We have a policy framework in place (an evolving one)
* The market is competitive (call rates and internet rates
are
low)
* We are leading in innovations in mobile money globally
(mpesa)
* iHub and other open community spaces are doing well -
look
at the mlab
Content and other funding (Billions of shillings)
* John Waibochi is winning global competitions with
virtual city
* Cables landed - 4G and evolving
* etc ....
* We still have some legacy issues (Telkom and Posta) -
But we
know there are qualified people dealing with them
amongst
others
Am not saying things are perfect, only that we have not
identified an obvious national cross cutting issue to rally
everyone around. Konza is a great but most people I have
talked
to are not clear how to engage (yet they do not want to be
left
out).
May I propose an action for this list. Paint a picture of
Kenya's ICT sector in 2020. By this I mean, what do we all
think
Kenya's ICT sector will/can look like in next 10 years.
This will allow each of us to reflect of what we are doing
today
and how we can impact that vision of tomorrow.
Thanks
Joe
My view is we have exhausted discussions on setting a
suitable
framework and what we need is to move to the next level
On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 7:05 PM, Harry Delano
<harry@comtelsys.co.ke> wrote:
Thanks so much Gilda.____
____
Actually, therein lies the conundrum – How to grow the
forum
potential that we have? How to spur on such a huge base
as____
per Washington’s stats, to a wider
participation/engagement
for mutual benefit of all, the nation and beyond. Debate
here____
on the good days can really, really be rich in content
at
the same time being informative & Educative.____
____
Secondly, as Edwin earlier on stated, on those good days
when debate – deliberation & conclusions is at its best,
we____
unfortunately do not have mechanisms in place to follow
this
through with the decision makers – effectively
influencing ____
policy. How do we address this..? It won’t just be
enough to
build up an archive for PhD students out of the
Kictanet____
repositories.. Let these deliberations make a difference
that can count in this country. ____
____
That is Kictanet..____
____
Harry____
____
____
*From:*Gilda Odera [mailto:godera@skyweb.co.ke]
*Sent:* Friday, April 13, 2012 5:26 PM
*To:* harry@comtelsys.co.ke
*Cc:* kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke
*Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or
kicked
into KICTAnet 2.0____
____
Hi Harry,____
____
I am not too sure the sisters can be any more empowered-
short of force feeding really!:)____
Those who feel strongly about something tend to drop a
line.____
I don't even think it is a gender issue, I am sure if
you
check out the subscriber base you will find that people
are
just keeping quiet in the background but picking a
lot.____
____
How to make it more interactive?____
My suspicion is that many only read one thread and miss
out
the main thread of the debate and depending on what a
subscriber has responded to, they sometimes "switch off"
and
do not read any more mails on that topic- in the process
missing out on some interesting discussions in
between.____
I think those who have something burning to say will say
it
anyway. The rest are neither here nor there in the
debate so
they see no need to comment nor read all the
threads.____
Maybe on each topic the key Government agencies can be
requested to always give an opinion- that may generate
more
participation.And the subject line would ensure it
highlights " XXX's position on....".- Just
wondering.____
Glad to read PS Murage's email to Grace- people are
indeed
reading Kictanet debates. ____
.____
____
Gilda Odera____
----- Original Message ----- ____
*From:*Harry Delano ____
*To:*'Gilda Odera' ____
*Cc:*kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke ____
*Sent:*Friday, April 13, 2012 4:38 PM____
*Subject:*RE: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or
kicked into KICTAnet 2.0____
____
Thanks so much Gilda/Grace for your comments. So
possibly from your own observation perhaps, how can
we
make ____
it more interactive and engaging, and attract more
participation..? Could it be we need to make the
environment a little ____
bit more conducive/friendlier and accommodative
enough?
My observation is the sisters are usually too
silent.
How____
do we empower..?____
____
Secondly I do note, in its formative years Kictanet
actively & professionally ( through representation)
engaged a number____
of players on the national stage, such us the Ps,
CCK,
Govt Depts, to shape ICT policy. There have been
positive results____
from those engagement sessions (kamkunji). That also
seems to have faded off..? Any idea..?____
____
This is because I have this strong feeling within,
that
since Kictanet was formed with the express objective
to
engage ____
on a multi-stakeholder platform, there has never
been
such a time in its history as now that we need to
engage
more, ____
and do so collectively. For instance, I thought this
would be a time we would be actively engaging on
Konza,
Cyber____
security, just to name a few… or..?____
____
Harry____
____
____
*From:*kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke
[mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke]
*On Behalf Of *Gilda Odera
*Sent:* Friday, April 13, 2012 4:08 PM
*To:* harry@comtelsys.co.ke
*Cc:* kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke
*Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin,
or
kicked into KICTAnet 2.0____
____
Grace,____
____
I think it is a cultural thing here. Many people
would
rather write directly to you during a debate, as you
say
below, rather than voice their opinion openly. I am
thinking Kenyans are still very shy and scared of
being
seen to "step on another's toes"- just in case their
comment may be going against someone's opinion. Many
would rather hide and comment quietly to the person
next
to them or the person they are close to.____
I imagine that is why there are still so many things
that remain unchanged in the country that could be
changed if people came out and voiced their
opinions.But
the few who write must never feel discouraged as
their
voices are still being heard and they are impacting
on
so many. It takes a few people to bring about
change. ____
My thoughts. ____
____
Regards,____
____
Gilda____
____
----- Original Message ----- ____
*From:*Grace Githaiga ____
*To:*godera@skyweb.co.ke ____
*Cc:*kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke ____
*Sent:*Friday, April 13, 2012 3:36 PM____
*Subject:*RE: [kictanet] Kictanet alive..
kickin, or
kicked into KICTAnet 2.0____
____
Spot on Gilda. However, it may be useful to hear
from some lurkers as to why they are not active
participants of the forum (there is not so much
from
the sisters :)). Maybe there is something that
can
be done to allow for more participation? I have
for
example received comments off-list when I have
moderated debates, and my question to those
listers
is that it would be nice for them to raise the
very
good comments here on this forum. Again, the aim
is
to strengthen the forum and have it continue to
remain relevant. ____
____
On another note, I have seen some of our
discussions
here quoted authoritatively on mainstream media,
as
well as on social media. ____
____
Ben Akoh, we look forward to reading the
findings of
your research. ____
____
Lets keep this debate live! It is very
useful.____
____
Rgds____
GG____
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If you have the strength to survive, you have
the
power to succeed. Life is all about choices we
make
depending upon the situation we are in. Go forth
and
rule the World!____
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From: godera@skyweb.co.ke
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 14:12:58 +0300
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin,
or
kicked into KICTAnet 2.0
CC: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke
To: ggithaiga@hotmail.com____
Long live Kictanet- as far as I am
concerned.____
____
Listers,____
____
I think we need to remember that just like in
any
other forum, there are always the very few who
engage in discussions while most do the
listening.
That is typical human behaviour, and it is
therefore
not odd nor is Kictanet dying because not all
subscribed listers are actively
participating.____
Personally, I am quite happy with the forum. And
there has been so much to learn and listen to in
the
various debates- very useful.____
____
Regards,____
____
Gilda Odera____
----- Original Message ----- ____
*From:*Walubengo J ____
*To:*godera@skyweb.co.ke ____
*Cc:*KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions ____
*Sent:*Friday, April 13, 2012 12:04 PM____
*Subject:*Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive..
kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0____
____
Ben
This is a powerful testimony. I do also know
of
a PhD student whose core dataset is the
KICTAnet
archives. And others who got
jobs/scholarships
arising from KICTAnet posts. I think these
are
some of the stories that we want to hear
from
the "horses" mouth...
However, on the flip-side, I think we should
also welcome the negative experiences - or
challenges as it were - so that we can
improve
going forward.
walu.
nb: ave taken the liberty to tweak the
subject
to include KICTAnet 2.0
--- On *Fri, 4/13/12, Ben Akoh
/<me@benakoh.com>/* wrote:____
From: Ben Akoh <me@benakoh.com>
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive..
kickin,
or kicked into the dustbin...!
To: jwalu@yahoo.com
Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions"
<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>
Date: Friday, April 13, 2012, 2:17 AM____
Hi All,
My name is Ben Akoh and I am one of many
lurkers
on this list, and on many
others. I am not Kenyan, I have visited the
country several times, I will
be visiting it in the next month, I love it,
its
people, and have very
good friends there.
I participated in one of the earlier public
forums that helped to shape
Kictanet and that fed into the numerous
fiber
initiatives to which you and
most of us now enjoy: directly when we visit
the
country, and indirectly
when we interact with good people like
yourselves who continue to pave the
way for how public consultation can shape
future
growth and development.
My comments are along three lines:
1. The benefits of lurkers: Being a lurker
is
not necessary a bad thing.
Some of us continue to benefit from this
list
and learn good practices
that inform public policy in many other
areas.
For instance, the Kictanet
model is replicated across several national
discussion lists in West
Africa and have been suggested as a useful
model
for public consultation
on policy issues. Lurkers benefit through
propagate the good dialogues
that emanate from this group in other forums
beyond yours. See this as
Kenya's export to the knowledge and
information
economy.
2. Questioning is good: Seeking ways through
which this forum would become
more relevant is also not necessarily a bad
thing. Questioning leads to
improvement. The day that every member of
this
group thinks that the list
has arrived (group think), is the day it
begins
to slowly die a death.
Thus, a constant review, as someone
mentioned,
against Kictanet's initial
objectives is a good starting point;
documenting
its progress over the
years through careful research (as another
person mentioned) is also
important. But significant consideration
should
be given to the medium of
delivery and how this is relevant to the
context
of the times. "The medium
is the message" (Marshall McLuhan). The
medium
should thus respond to the
demands of the time. Considerations should
be
given to those for whom
policy is deliberated but who do not have
access
to deliberate in its
present form.
3. Kicktanet is one of several model that
works:
I am currently finalizing
a toolkit (ebook and wiki) of several models
that have worked for
generating evidence and for seeking consent
of
those whom policy will
affect using case studies of good practice
models implemented across the
world. Kictanet and this discussion list is
featured prominently as one of
them. I hope to share the outcome of this
research once it has been
published.
In sum, all these go to say that:
1. The list is useful to both lurkers and
active
members.
2. Its influence transcends Kenya and
contributes to shaping policy and
policy consultation beyond its borders.
3. The medium should respond to the dynamic
context of communication
technologies, and cater to the local context
as
well as the growing needs
of its audience - present and future. It
should
therefore be shaped
accordingly.
My two bob.
Ben
A lurker.
On Thu, April 12, 2012 8:59 am, Evans Ikua
wrote:
> Now that we have to weigh in, I think
this is
an important list that it
> serves its purposes well. If it falls
silent
for some time, then it means
> that everyone is happy, which is not a
bad
thing. When its active, it
> means
> that people have issues, and they have a
good
place and forum to air their
> concerns and opinion relating to the
industry.
>
> As for the lurkers, they are also good to
have. As someone said, one will
> always speak out when their area of
interest
is mentioned and they have an
> opinion to share.
>
> Regards,
> Evans
>
> On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 4:49 PM, Harry
Delano
<harry@comtelsys.co.ke
> wrote:
>
>> Now we talking. Please if you happen to
be
on this list, but presently
>> on
>> “read-only-mode” ( a new phrase I have
learnt),****
>>
>> please realize you owe it to this noble
forum, started by noble people,
>> with noble ideas at least in a way to
leave
some****
>>
>> mark…****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> So can we ensure that this forum carries
the
flag up higher and make a
>> mark in this land and beyond that we can
believe ****
>>
>> in. Have looked around, do not see any
other
forum with such
>> broad/diverse
>> membership.****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Let’s keep the ideas coming in..****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Harry****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *From:*
kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke
<http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke%40lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>>
[mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke
<http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke%40lists.kictanet.or.ke>]
*On
>> Behalf Of *Harry Hare
>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 12, 2012 4:17 PM
>>
>> *To:* harry@comtelsys.co.ke
>> *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
>> *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet
alive..
kickin, or kicked into the
>> dustbin...!****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Hey all, there is a strategy document
floating somewhere. I think this
>> could be a good place to start – see
what
has been achieved, what fell
>> by
>> the way side, identify what is still
relevant, plug in new ideas and
>> strengthen the network. KICTANet should
never be allowed to "kick".****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> Harry Hare****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Director****
>>
>> African eDevelopment Resource Centre****
>>
>> PO Box 49475 00100****
>>
>> Nairobi, Kenya****
>>
>> Tel +254 20 4041646****
>>
>> Cel +254 725 650044****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *From: *Brian Munyao Longwe
<blongwe@gmail.com
>> *Date: *Thu, 12 Apr 2012 15:57:45 +0300
>> *To: *Harry Hare
<harry@africanedevelopment.org
>> *Cc: *KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke
>> *Subject: *Re: [kictanet] Kictanet
alive..
kickin, or kicked into the
>> dustbin...!****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> If we go back to early discussions about
the
multi-stakeholder network
>> known as KICTAnet I recall there being a
distinction between the mailing
>> list participants, and those
stakeholders
who would actively engage in
>> KICTAnet "activities".****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> My take is that since there have been no
"activities" as such - the
>> feeling is that KICTAnet has "kicked" to
borrow a phrase from
>> @Harry.****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> I remember there used to be monthly
face-to-face meetings which followed
>> a
>> particular topic or theme of interest
and
served as an opportunity for
>> participants from the various networks
to
meet within the context of the
>> "network of networks". At the time there
was
program funding from donor
>> to
>> cover costs of those meetings, this has
presumably, run out. Which leads
>> me
>> to ask, can we mobilise funds locally?
At
least for these gatherings? As
>> they will give a greater element of
traction
to the organization while
>> ensuring that it continues to remain
relevant within the sector.
>> Especially
>> as the melting pot for policy
debate.****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Best regards,****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Brian****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 3:41 PM,
Walubengo J
<jwalu@yahoo.com
>> wrote:****
>>
>> Joe,
>>
>> Currently listed number is 690 members
from
diverse backgrounds of
>> Media,
>> Academia, Govt, Regulator, Telcos(fixed,
mobile, wireless). But as you
>> noted not everyone is active -80% are
often
in read-only mode. That is
>> one
>> reason I thought we needed new thinking
and
new approaches...
>>
>> walu.
>>
>> --- On *Thu, 4/12/12, Joseph Mucheru
<mucheru@google.com
wrote:****
>>
>>
>> From: Joseph Mucheru <mucheru@google.com
>>
>>
>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive..
kickin, or kicked into the
>> dustbin...!
>> To: jwalu@yahoo.com
>> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions"
>> <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke
>>
>> Date: Thursday, April 12, 2012, 2:53
PM****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> I am certainly above 35 and enjoy not
only
records but also the latest
>> collaboration technologies "Google
>>
>> I agree that we need to review our aim
and
strategies but we need to
>> have a
>> representative forum that allows for
that to
take place. @Brian you know
>> many participant on this list are in
read
only mode.****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> @Walu/@Washington - can you give us an
idea
of the number of people
>> actively subscribed to the list? Not the
names but the number. This will
>> be
>> a good place to start. Dealing with
facts
and not guess work.****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Thanks****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Joe****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 2:31 PM, Solomon
Mbũrũ Kamau
>> <solo.mburu@gmail.com
<http://mc/compose?to=solo.mburu%40gmail.com><http://mc/compose?to=solo.mburu@gmail.com
>> wrote:****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> On 12 April 2012 14:26, robert yawe
>> <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk
<http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe%40yahoo.co.uk><http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk
>> wrote:****
>>
>> Harry,****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> We are ageing, email is loosing is
lustre
and the new generation hate
>> records and prefer platforms like
and facebook.****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> The responsibility for keeping the forum
active remains with those over
>> 35
>> year old who unfortunately are trying to
fit
in with the younger
>> crowd.***
>> *
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> uuummmmm is there a way out of this
loop.^C****
>>
>>
>> I'm below 35, but enjoy keeping records,
in
addition to facebook and
>> ****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Regards ****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> Robert Yawe
>> KAY System Technologies Ltd
>> Phoenix House, 6th Floor
>> P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
>> Kenya****
>>
>> Tel:
+254722511225begin_of_the_skype_highlighting+254722511225end_of_the_skype_highlighting,
+254202010696begin_of_the_skype_highlighting+254202010696end_of_the_skype_highlighting****
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> *From:* Harry Delano
>> <harry@comtelsys.co.ke
<http://mc/compose?to=harry%40comtelsys.co.ke><http://mc/compose?to=harry@comtelsys.co.ke
>> >
>> *To:* robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk
>>
>> ****
>>
>> *Cc:* 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions'
>> <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke
>> ****
>>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, 12 April 2012,
13:55****
>>
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet
alive..
kickin, or kicked into the
>> dustbin...!****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Ara..!****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> Not many people seriously want to
rejuvenate
this forum, as per
>> Brian/Walubengo’s suggestion…?****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> Cannot imagine the forum becoming a good
case study one day for some
>> thesis student. Whose research titles
among
others:-****
>>
>> · “How-to-kill a good forum, kick it
into
the dustbin and
>> leave
>> it for the dead” ****
>>
>> · “The rise and rise, and fall and fall
of a
myriad of many
>> ICT
>> forums in Kenya, the major one
being….****
>>
>> · “How-not-to build structural
resilience
and offer strategic
>> leadership”. Why the big forum went
M.I.A,
and petered out..****
>>
>> · And the final one perhaps, “ Do not
repeat
the mistakes
>> listed
>> above, time for a RESET..”!****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> Certainly, unless otherwise – we might
be
headed for such a case
>> study.
>> Not sure if I should patent the titles,
just
in case..!****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> Harry****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> *From:*
>>
kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke
<http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke%40lists.kictanet.or.ke>>[mailto:
>> kictanet-bounces+harry
>> comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke
<http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke%40lists.kictanet.or.ke>>]
>> *On Behalf Of *Brian Munyao Longwe
>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 12, 2012 12:50
AM
>> *To:* harry@comtelsys.co.ke
>> *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
>> *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet
alive..
kickin, or kicked into the
>> dustbin...!****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> I think Walu is on the right track.
Every
organisation for-profit or
>> not,
>> has to reassess it's strategy,
relevance,
business direction and thrust
>> periodically or risk falling into the
shadows.****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> Is it time for KICTAnet to do so?****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> As one of the founders and a trustee I
think
that the time has come.****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> My 2 shillings,****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> Brian****
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 6:21 PM,
Walubengo J
>> <jwalu@yahoo.com
<http://mc/compose?to=jwalu%40yahoo.com><http://mc/compose?to=jwalu@yahoo.com
>> wrote:****
>>
>> @Wash,
>>
>> Maybe Delano is insinuating something.
Perhaps KICTAnet needs to
>> re-juvinate
>> and re-energize. Bring in new blood and
thinking. What do we want from
>> KICTAnet, 8yrs later? What management
structures, membership structures,
>> operational, financial structures do we
want
to see going forward?
>>
>> Perhaps a brainstorming face2face
session is
due. I for one have been
>> the
>> moderator since inception and maybe
someone
else can do a better job and
>> we
>> just have not asked them to come forth.
Think about it - I could have
>> run
>> out of ideas or some younger dot.commer
<http://dot.com> may just be
>> sitting on better ways of moderation
that I
have never imagined...
>>
>> just my 2pings.
>>
>> walu.
>>
>> --- On *Wed, 4/11/12, Odhiambo
Washington
>> <odhiambo@gmail.com
<http://mc/compose?to=odhiambo%40gmail.com><http://mc/compose?to=odhiambo@gmail.com
>> >* wrote:****
>>
>>
>> From: Odhiambo Washington
>> <odhiambo@gmail.com
<http://mc/compose?to=odhiambo%40gmail.com><http://mc/compose?to=odhiambo@gmail.com
>> >
>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive..
kickin, or kicked into the
>> dustbin...!
>> To: jwalu@yahoo.com
>> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions"
>> <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke
>> >
>> Date: Wednesday, April 11, 2012, 3:50
PM****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 14:59, Harry
Delano
>> <harry@comtelsys.co.ke
<http://mc/compose?to=harry%40comtelsys.co.ke><http://mc/compose?to=harry@comtelsys.co.ke
>> wrote:****
>>
>> I’m not sure which is which, until I see
some response on whether we
>> might
>> just as well happen to be drifting along
rudderless…!!****
>>
>> ****
>>
>>
>> You mean the post-Easter stupor, or??
>> ****
>>
>>
>> --
>> Best regards,
>> Odhiambo WASHINGTON,
>> Nairobi,KE
>>
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Listers I have attempted to put together a summary of issues raised specifically about KICTANet. I have not included the latest contributions from Brian (compiling a wish list), Mucheru (Proposal for an action list) and Edwin's on having Vision 2030 as our rallying point. Have a great week.RgdsGG Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...! 8 Years on… · A vibrant community and a melting point for policy debates. There has been so much to learn and listen to in the various debates. · Its influence transcends Kenya and contributes to shaping policy and policy consultation beyond its borders. · KICTANet influences national policy more than is known or appreciated. · Current membership stands at 690 drawn from diverse backgrounds of Media, Academia, Govt, Regulator, Telcos (fixed, mobile, wireless). Not all members are active -80% are often in read-only mode. However, the list is useful to both lurkers and active members. · KICTANet is one of several models that works and is replicated across several national discussion lists in West Africa and has been suggested as a useful model for public consultation on policy issues. · The good dialogues that emanate from this group are propagated in other forums beyond KICTANet. This should be seen as Kenya's export to the knowledge and information economy. · KICTANet represents some form of E-justice where listers have raised and received action/responses from service providers. · KICTAnet archives have been used as core dataset by some PhD student(s). · Listers have gotten jobs/scholarships/fellowships arising from KICTAnet posts. · The sharing of views and debating them influences policy decisions at the highest level(s) and we should not change this. · It is an important list that serves its purposes well. If it falls silent for some time, then it means that everyone is happy, which is not a bad thing. When it is active, it means that people have issues, and they have a good place and forum to air their concerns and opinion relating to the industry. Writing the history for KICTAnet 2.0? · Do we want the forum to remain a case study on how to kill a good forum and “… kick it into the dustbin and leave it for the dead?” · Is it time for new thinking and new approaches for KICTAnet? Do we need a strategy to reposition it? · Can the strategy document be a guide to see what has been achieved, what fell by the way side, identify what is still relevant, plug in new ideas and strengthen the network? · What management structures, membership structures, operational, financial structures do we want to see going forward? · Can it be the representative body in IT? · Does the responsibility of keeping the forum alive remain with those over 35? · Is it time to move the debates to twitter, Google hangouts and face book? Is a blog also possible, and can anyone strong on this can be seconded or volunteer to take it up? · Do we want a system where as a member of the list one must make at least 1 contribution per year to retain membership? · Should the list remain informal, peer to peer, maybe even faceless? · Can KICTANet mobilise funds locally for say monthly face2face meetings or such gatherings? (We need to be clear on why we need funding). · How can we make the list more interactive so that there is wider participation/engagement for mutual benefit of all? · What implementation mechanisms need to be in place to follow through with the decision makers – effectively influencing policy? Consensus? 1. Read mode/Lurkers · Read Mode" is not necessarily a bad thing and such listers are also stakeholders. Their silence is not inactivity. They benefit from Kictanet list and learn good practices that inform public policy in various areas. · In an obtrusive way, lurkers, facilitate open and free discussion without officialdom, exercise of privilege, and duress. 2. Implementation · The forum needs an implementation outlet to follow through with the debates and pressure all stakeholders to come to the table and get things moving, effectively influencing policy. · Maybe on each topic the key Government agencies can be requested to always give an opinion- that may generate more participation. And the subject line would ensure it highlights " XXX's position on....". 3. Strategy · A constant review, against KICTANet's initial objectives would be a good starting point; and documenting its progress over the years through careful research is important. · There is need to review the aims and strategies but we need to have a representative forum that allows for this to take place. · KICTAnet should therefore, soldier on but, of course, with innovation, vision, and relevance to the challenges of the times. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you have the strength to survive, you have the power to succeed. Life is all about choices we make depending upon the situation we are in. Go forth and rule the World! From: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 21:05:09 +0300 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0 CC: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke To: ggithaiga@hotmail.com Thanks so much Gilda. Actually, therein lies the conundrum – How to grow the forum potential that we have? How to spur on such a huge base asper Washington’s stats, to a wider participation/engagement for mutual benefit of all, the nation and beyond. Debate hereon the good days can really, really be rich in content at the same time being informative & Educative. Secondly, as Edwin earlier on stated, on those good days when debate – deliberation & conclusions is at its best, weunfortunately do not have mechanisms in place to follow this through with the decision makers – effectively influencing policy. How do we address this..? It won’t just be enough to build up an archive for PhD students out of the Kictanetrepositories.. Let these deliberations make a difference that can count in this country. That is Kictanet.. Harry From: Gilda Odera [mailto:godera@skyweb.co.ke] Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 5:26 PM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0 Hi Harry, I am not too sure the sisters can be any more empowered- short of force feeding really!:)Those who feel strongly about something tend to drop a line.I don't even think it is a gender issue, I am sure if you check out the subscriber base you will find that people are just keeping quiet in the background but picking a lot. How to make it more interactive?My suspicion is that many only read one thread and miss out the main thread of the debate and depending on what a subscriber has responded to, they sometimes "switch off" and do not read any more mails on that topic- in the process missing out on some interesting discussions in between.I think those who have something burning to say will say it anyway. The rest are neither here nor there in the debate so they see no need to comment nor read all the threads.Maybe on each topic the key Government agencies can be requested to always give an opinion- that may generate more participation.And the subject line would ensure it highlights " XXX's position on....".- Just wondering.Glad to read PS Murage's email to Grace- people are indeed reading Kictanet debates. . Gilda Odera----- Original Message ----- From: Harry Delano To: 'Gilda Odera' Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 4:38 PMSubject: RE: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0 Thanks so much Gilda/Grace for your comments. So possibly from your own observation perhaps, how can we make it more interactive and engaging, and attract more participation..? Could it be we need to make the environment a little bit more conducive/friendlier and accommodative enough? My observation is the sisters are usually too silent. Howdo we empower..? Secondly I do note, in its formative years Kictanet actively & professionally ( through representation) engaged a numberof players on the national stage, such us the Ps, CCK, Govt Depts, to shape ICT policy. There have been positive resultsfrom those engagement sessions (kamkunji). That also seems to have faded off..? Any idea..? This is because I have this strong feeling within, that since Kictanet was formed with the express objective to engage on a multi-stakeholder platform, there has never been such a time in its history as now that we need to engage more, and do so collectively. For instance, I thought this would be a time we would be actively engaging on Konza, Cybersecurity, just to name a few… or..? Harry From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Gilda Odera Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 4:08 PM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0 Grace, I think it is a cultural thing here. Many people would rather write directly to you during a debate, as you say below, rather than voice their opinion openly. I am thinking Kenyans are still very shy and scared of being seen to "step on another's toes"- just in case their comment may be going against someone's opinion. Many would rather hide and comment quietly to the person next to them or the person they are close to.I imagine that is why there are still so many things that remain unchanged in the country that could be changed if people came out and voiced their opinions. But the few who write must never feel discouraged as their voices are still being heard and they are impacting on so many. It takes a few people to bring about change. My thoughts. Regards, Gilda ----- Original Message ----- From: Grace Githaiga To: godera@skyweb.co.ke Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 3:36 PMSubject: RE: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0 Spot on Gilda. However, it may be useful to hear from some lurkers as to why they are not active participants of the forum (there is not so much from the sisters :)). Maybe there is something that can be done to allow for more participation? I have for example received comments off-list when I have moderated debates, and my question to those listers is that it would be nice for them to raise the very good comments here on this forum. Again, the aim is to strengthen the forum and have it continue to remain relevant. On another note, I have seen some of our discussions here quoted authoritatively on mainstream media, as well as on social media. Ben Akoh, we look forward to reading the findings of your research. Lets keep this debate live! It is very useful. RgdsGG ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you have the strength to survive, you have the power to succeed. Life is all about choices we make depending upon the situation we are in. Go forth and rule the World!From: godera@skyweb.co.ke Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 14:12:58 +0300 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0 CC: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke To: ggithaiga@hotmail.comLong live Kictanet- as far as I am concerned. Listers, I think we need to remember that just like in any other forum, there are always the very few who engage in discussions while most do the listening. That is typical human behaviour, and it is therefore not odd nor is Kictanet dying because not all subscribed listers are actively participating.Personally, I am quite happy with the forum. And there has been so much to learn and listen to in the various debates- very useful. Regards, Gilda Odera----- Original Message ----- From: Walubengo J To: godera@skyweb.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 12:04 PMSubject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0 Ben This is a powerful testimony. I do also know of a PhD student whose core dataset is the KICTAnet archives. And others who got jobs/scholarships arising from KICTAnet posts. I think these are some of the stories that we want to hear from the "horses" mouth... However, on the flip-side, I think we should also welcome the negative experiences - or challenges as it were - so that we can improve going forward. walu. nb: ave taken the liberty to tweak the subject to include KICTAnet 2.0 --- On Fri, 4/13/12, Ben Akoh <me@benakoh.com> wrote: From: Ben Akoh <me@benakoh.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...! To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Friday, April 13, 2012, 2:17 AMHi All, My name is Ben Akoh and I am one of many lurkers on this list, and on many others. I am not Kenyan, I have visited the country several times, I will be visiting it in the next month, I love it, its people, and have very good friends there. I participated in one of the earlier public forums that helped to shape Kictanet and that fed into the numerous fiber initiatives to which you and most of us now enjoy: directly when we visit the country, and indirectly when we interact with good people like yourselves who continue to pave the way for how public consultation can shape future growth and development. My comments are along three lines: 1. The benefits of lurkers: Being a lurker is not necessary a bad thing. Some of us continue to benefit from this list and learn good practices that inform public policy in many other areas. For instance, the Kictanet model is replicated across several national discussion lists in West Africa and have been suggested as a useful model for public consultation on policy issues. Lurkers benefit through propagate the good dialogues that emanate from this group in other forums beyond yours. See this as Kenya's export to the knowledge and information economy. 2. Questioning is good: Seeking ways through which this forum would become more relevant is also not necessarily a bad thing. Questioning leads to improvement. The day that every member of this group thinks that the list has arrived (group think), is the day it begins to slowly die a death. Thus, a constant review, as someone mentioned, against Kictanet's initial objectives is a good starting point; documenting its progress over the years through careful research (as another person mentioned) is also important. But significant consideration should be given to the medium of delivery and how this is relevant to the context of the times. "The medium is the message" (Marshall McLuhan). The medium should thus respond to the demands of the time. Considerations should be given to those for whom policy is deliberated but who do not have access to deliberate in its present form. 3. Kicktanet is one of several model that works: I am currently finalizing a toolkit (ebook and wiki) of several models that have worked for generating evidence and for seeking consent of those whom policy will affect using case studies of good practice models implemented across the world. Kictanet and this discussion list is featured prominently as one of them. I hope to share the outcome of this research once it has been published. In sum, all these go to say that: 1. The list is useful to both lurkers and active members. 2. Its influence transcends Kenya and contributes to shaping policy and policy consultation beyond its borders. 3. The medium should respond to the dynamic context of communication technologies, and cater to the local context as well as the growing needs of its audience - present and future. It should therefore be shaped accordingly. My two bob. Ben A lurker. On Thu, April 12, 2012 8:59 am, Evans Ikua wrote:
Now that we have to weigh in, I think this is an important list that it serves its purposes well. If it falls silent for some time, then it means that everyone is happy, which is not a bad thing. When its active, it means that people have issues, and they have a good place and forum to air their concerns and opinion relating to the industry.
As for the lurkers, they are also good to have. As someone said, one will always speak out when their area of interest is mentioned and they have an opinion to share.
Regards, Evans
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Hey all, there is a strategy document floating somewhere. I think this could be a good place to start – see what has been achieved, what fell by the way side, identify what is still relevant, plug in new ideas and strengthen the network. KICTANet should never be allowed to "kick".****
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*From: *Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com> *Date: *Thu, 12 Apr 2012 15:57:45 +0300 *To: *Harry Hare <harry@africanedevelopment.org> *Cc: *KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Subject: *Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...!****
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If we go back to early discussions about the multi-stakeholder network known as KICTAnet I recall there being a distinction between the mailing list participants, and those stakeholders who would actively engage in KICTAnet "activities".****
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My take is that since there have been no "activities" as such - the feeling is that KICTAnet has "kicked" to borrow a phrase from @Harry.****
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I remember there used to be monthly face-to-face meetings which followed a particular topic or theme of interest and served as an opportunity for participants from the various networks to meet within the context of the "network of networks". At the time there was program funding from donor to cover costs of those meetings, this has presumably, run out. Which leads me to ask, can we mobilise funds locally? At least for these gatherings? As they will give a greater element of traction to the organization while ensuring that it continues to remain relevant within the sector. Especially as the melting pot for policy debate.****
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On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 3:41 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:****
Joe,
Currently listed number is 690 members from diverse backgrounds of Media, Academia, Govt, Regulator, Telcos(fixed, mobile, wireless). But as you noted not everyone is active -80% are often in read-only mode. That is one reason I thought we needed new thinking and new approaches...
walu.
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From: Joseph Mucheru <mucheru@google.com>****
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...! To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>****
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I am certainly above 35 and enjoy not only records but also the latest collaboration technologies "Google Hangouts<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QN38vHZjWXw>" I agree that we need to review our aim and strategies but we need to have a representative forum that allows for that to take place. @Brian you know many participant on this list are in read only mode.****
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@Walu/@Washington - can you give us an idea of the number of people actively subscribed to the list? Not the names but the number. This will be a good place to start. Dealing with facts and not guess work.****
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On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 2:31 PM, Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com<http://mc/compose?to=solo.mburu@gmail.com>> wrote:****
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On 12 April 2012 14:26, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk<http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk>> wrote:****
Harry,****
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We are ageing, email is loosing is lustre and the new generation hate records and prefer platforms like twitter and facebook.****
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The responsibility for keeping the forum active remains with those over 35 year old who unfortunately are trying to fit in with the younger crowd.*** *
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uuummmmm is there a way out of this loop.^C****
I'm below 35, but enjoy keeping records, in addition to facebook and twitter ****
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*From:* Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke<http://mc/compose?to=harry@comtelsys.co.ke>
*To:* robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk <http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> ****
*Cc:* 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/compose?to=kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>> ****
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Ara..!****
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Not many people seriously want to rejuvenate this forum, as per Brian/Walubengo’s suggestion…?****
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Cannot imagine the forum becoming a good case study one day for some thesis student. Whose research titles among others:-****
· “How-to-kill a good forum, kick it into the dustbin and leave it for the dead” ****
· “The rise and rise, and fall and fall of a myriad of many ICT forums in Kenya, the major one being….****
· “How-not-to build structural resilience and offer strategic leadership”. Why the big forum went M.I.A, and petered out..****
· And the final one perhaps, “ Do not repeat the mistakes listed above, time for a RESET..”!****
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Certainly, unless otherwise – we might be headed for such a case study. Not sure if I should patent the titles, just in case..!****
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*From:* kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke>[mailto: kictanet-bounces+harry <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet-bounces%2Bharry>= comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke>] *On Behalf Of *Brian Munyao Longwe *Sent:* Thursday, April 12, 2012 12:50 AM *To:* harry@comtelsys.co.ke <http://mc/compose?to=harry@comtelsys.co.ke> *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...!****
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I think Walu is on the right track. Every organisation for-profit or not, has to reassess it's strategy, relevance, business direction and thrust periodically or risk falling into the shadows.****
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Is it time for KICTAnet to do so?****
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As one of the founders and a trustee I think that the time has come.****
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My 2 shillings,****
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@Wash,
Maybe Delano is insinuating something. Perhaps KICTAnet needs to re-juvinate and re-energize. Bring in new blood and thinking. What do we want from KICTAnet, 8yrs later? What management structures, membership structures, operational, financial structures do we want to see going forward?
Perhaps a brainstorming face2face session is due. I for one have been the moderator since inception and maybe someone else can do a better job and we just have not asked them to come forth. Think about it - I could have run out of ideas or some younger dot.commer <http://dot.com> may just be sitting on better ways of moderation that I have never imagined...
just my 2pings.
walu.
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Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...! To: jwalu@yahoo.com <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu@yahoo.com> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/compose?to=kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>
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On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 14:59, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke<http://mc/compose?to=harry@comtelsys.co.ke>> wrote:****
I’m not sure which is which, until I see some response on whether we might just as well happen to be drifting along rudderless…!!****
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You mean the post-Easter stupor, or?? ****
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Thanks Grace, Dear listers, As you can see, the floor is now open for debate on way forward for the forum and by extension – ICT discourse in this nation. Is Kictanet the ship to chaperon this discourse..? Grace will moderate. Feel free to air your view(s). A vast majority would love to hear from everyone.. Regards, Harry From: Grace Githaiga [mailto:ggithaiga@hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2012 9:23 PM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Subject: RE: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0 Listers I have attempted to put together a summary of issues raised specifically about KICTANet. I have not included the latest contributions from Brian (compiling a wish list), Mucheru (Proposal for an action list) and Edwin's on having Vision 2030 as our rallying point. Have a great week. Rgds GG Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...! 8 Years on… · A vibrant community and a melting point for policy debates. There has been so much to learn and listen to in the various debates. · Its influence transcends Kenya and contributes to shaping policy and policy consultation beyond its borders. · KICTANet influences national policy more than is known or appreciated. · Current membership stands at 690 drawn from diverse backgrounds of Media, Academia, Govt, Regulator, Telcos (fixed, mobile, wireless). Not all members are active -80% are often in read-only mode. However, the list is useful to both lurkers and active members. · KICTANet is one of several models that works and is replicated across several national discussion lists in West Africa and has been suggested as a useful model for public consultation on policy issues. · The good dialogues that emanate from this group are propagated in other forums beyond KICTANet. This should be seen as Kenya's export to the knowledge and information economy. · KICTANet represents some form of E-justice where listers have raised and received action/responses from service providers. · KICTAnet archives have been used as core dataset by some PhD student(s). · Listers have gotten jobs/scholarships/fellowships arising from KICTAnet posts. · The sharing of views and debating them influences policy decisions at the highest level(s) and we should not change this. · It is an important list that serves its purposes well. If it falls silent for some time, then it means that everyone is happy, which is not a bad thing. When it is active, it means that people have issues, and they have a good place and forum to air their concerns and opinion relating to the industry. Writing the history for KICTAnet 2.0? · Do we want the forum to remain a case study on how to kill a good forum and “… kick it into the dustbin and leave it for the dead?” · Is it time for new thinking and new approaches for KICTAnet? Do we need a strategy to reposition it? · Can the strategy document be a guide to see what has been achieved, what fell by the way side, identify what is still relevant, plug in new ideas and strengthen the network? · What management structures, membership structures, operational, financial structures do we want to see going forward? · Can it be the representative body in IT? · Does the responsibility of keeping the forum alive remain with those over 35? · Is it time to move the debates to twitter, Google hangouts and face book? Is a blog also possible, and can anyone strong on this can be seconded or volunteer to take it up? · Do we want a system where as a member of the list one must make at least 1 contribution per year to retain membership? · Should the list remain informal, peer to peer, maybe even faceless? · Can KICTANet mobilise funds locally for say monthly face2face meetings or such gatherings? (We need to be clear on why we need funding). · How can we make the list more interactive so that there is wider participation/engagement for mutual benefit of all? · What implementation mechanisms need to be in place to follow through with the decision makers – effectively influencing policy? Consensus? 1. Read mode/Lurkers · Read Mode" is not necessarily a bad thing and such listers are also stakeholders. Their silence is not inactivity. They benefit from Kictanet list and learn good practices that inform public policy in various areas. · In an obtrusive way, lurkers, facilitate open and free discussion without officialdom, exercise of privilege, and duress. 2. Implementation · The forum needs an implementation outlet to follow through with the debates and pressure all stakeholders to come to the table and get things moving, effectively influencing policy. · Maybe on each topic the key Government agencies can be requested to always give an opinion- that may generate more participation. And the subject line would ensure it highlights " XXX's position on....". 3. Strategy · A constant review, against KICTANet's initial objectives would be a good starting point; and documenting its progress over the years through careful research is important. · There is need to review the aims and strategies but we need to have a representative forum that allows for this to take place. · KICTAnet should therefore, soldier on but, of course, with innovation, vision, and relevance to the challenges of the times. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you have the strength to survive, you have the power to succeed. Life is all about choices we make depending upon the situation we are in. Go forth and rule the World! _____ From: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 21:05:09 +0300 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0 CC: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke To: ggithaiga@hotmail.com Thanks so much Gilda. Actually, therein lies the conundrum – How to grow the forum potential that we have? How to spur on such a huge base as per Washington’s stats, to a wider participation/engagement for mutual benefit of all, the nation and beyond. Debate here on the good days can really, really be rich in content at the same time being informative & Educative. Secondly, as Edwin earlier on stated, on those good days when debate – deliberation & conclusions is at its best, we unfortunately do not have mechanisms in place to follow this through with the decision makers – effectively influencing policy. How do we address this..? It won’t just be enough to build up an archive for PhD students out of the Kictanet repositories.. Let these deliberations make a difference that can count in this country. That is Kictanet.. Harry From: Gilda Odera [mailto:godera@skyweb.co.ke] Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 5:26 PM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0 Hi Harry, I am not too sure the sisters can be any more empowered- short of force feeding really!:) Those who feel strongly about something tend to drop a line. I don't even think it is a gender issue, I am sure if you check out the subscriber base you will find that people are just keeping quiet in the background but picking a lot. How to make it more interactive? My suspicion is that many only read one thread and miss out the main thread of the debate and depending on what a subscriber has responded to, they sometimes "switch off" and do not read any more mails on that topic- in the process missing out on some interesting discussions in between. I think those who have something burning to say will say it anyway. The rest are neither here nor there in the debate so they see no need to comment nor read all the threads. Maybe on each topic the key Government agencies can be requested to always give an opinion- that may generate more participation.And the subject line would ensure it highlights " XXX's position on....".- Just wondering. Glad to read PS Murage's email to Grace- people are indeed reading Kictanet debates. . Gilda Odera ----- Original Message ----- From: Harry Delano <mailto:harry@comtelsys.co.ke> To: 'Gilda Odera' <mailto:godera@skyweb.co.ke> Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 4:38 PM Subject: RE: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0 Thanks so much Gilda/Grace for your comments. So possibly from your own observation perhaps, how can we make it more interactive and engaging, and attract more participation..? Could it be we need to make the environment a little bit more conducive/friendlier and accommodative enough? My observation is the sisters are usually too silent. How do we empower..? Secondly I do note, in its formative years Kictanet actively & professionally ( through representation) engaged a number of players on the national stage, such us the Ps, CCK, Govt Depts, to shape ICT policy. There have been positive results from those engagement sessions (kamkunji). That also seems to have faded off..? Any idea..? This is because I have this strong feeling within, that since Kictanet was formed with the express objective to engage on a multi-stakeholder platform, there has never been such a time in its history as now that we need to engage more, and do so collectively. For instance, I thought this would be a time we would be actively engaging on Konza, Cyber security, just to name a few… or..? Harry From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Gilda Odera Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 4:08 PM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0 Grace, I think it is a cultural thing here. Many people would rather write directly to you during a debate, as you say below, rather than voice their opinion openly. I am thinking Kenyans are still very shy and scared of being seen to "step on another's toes"- just in case their comment may be going against someone's opinion. Many would rather hide and comment quietly to the person next to them or the person they are close to. I imagine that is why there are still so many things that remain unchanged in the country that could be changed if people came out and voiced their opinions. But the few who write must never feel discouraged as their voices are still being heard and they are impacting on so many. It takes a few people to bring about change. My thoughts. Regards, Gilda ----- Original Message ----- From: Grace Githaiga <mailto:ggithaiga@hotmail.com> To: godera@skyweb.co.ke Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 3:36 PM Subject: RE: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0 Spot on Gilda. However, it may be useful to hear from some lurkers as to why they are not active participants of the forum (there is not so much from the sisters :)). Maybe there is something that can be done to allow for more participation? I have for example received comments off-list when I have moderated debates, and my question to those listers is that it would be nice for them to raise the very good comments here on this forum. Again, the aim is to strengthen the forum and have it continue to remain relevant. On another note, I have seen some of our discussions here quoted authoritatively on mainstream media, as well as on social media. Ben Akoh, we look forward to reading the findings of your research. Lets keep this debate live! It is very useful. Rgds GG ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you have the strength to survive, you have the power to succeed. Life is all about choices we make depending upon the situation we are in. Go forth and rule the World! _____ From: godera@skyweb.co.ke Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 14:12:58 +0300 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0 CC: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke To: ggithaiga@hotmail.com Long live Kictanet- as far as I am concerned. Listers, I think we need to remember that just like in any other forum, there are always the very few who engage in discussions while most do the listening. That is typical human behaviour, and it is therefore not odd nor is Kictanet dying because not all subscribed listers are actively participating. Personally, I am quite happy with the forum. And there has been so much to learn and listen to in the various debates- very useful. Regards, Gilda Odera ----- Original Message ----- From: Walubengo J <mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com> To: godera@skyweb.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 12:04 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0 Ben This is a powerful testimony. I do also know of a PhD student whose core dataset is the KICTAnet archives. And others who got jobs/scholarships arising from KICTAnet posts. I think these are some of the stories that we want to hear from the "horses" mouth... However, on the flip-side, I think we should also welcome the negative experiences - or challenges as it were - so that we can improve going forward. walu. nb: ave taken the liberty to tweak the subject to include KICTAnet 2.0 --- On Fri, 4/13/12, Ben Akoh <me@benakoh.com> wrote: From: Ben Akoh <me@benakoh.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...! To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Friday, April 13, 2012, 2:17 AM Hi All, My name is Ben Akoh and I am one of many lurkers on this list, and on many others. I am not Kenyan, I have visited the country several times, I will be visiting it in the next month, I love it, its people, and have very good friends there. I participated in one of the earlier public forums that helped to shape Kictanet and that fed into the numerous fiber initiatives to which you and most of us now enjoy: directly when we visit the country, and indirectly when we interact with good people like yourselves who continue to pave the way for how public consultation can shape future growth and development. My comments are along three lines: 1. The benefits of lurkers: Being a lurker is not necessary a bad thing. Some of us continue to benefit from this list and learn good practices that inform public policy in many other areas. For instance, the Kictanet model is replicated across several national discussion lists in West Africa and have been suggested as a useful model for public consultation on policy issues. Lurkers benefit through propagate the good dialogues that emanate from this group in other forums beyond yours. See this as Kenya's export to the knowledge and information economy. 2. Questioning is good: Seeking ways through which this forum would become more relevant is also not necessarily a bad thing. Questioning leads to improvement. The day that every member of this group thinks that the list has arrived (group think), is the day it begins to slowly die a death. Thus, a constant review, as someone mentioned, against Kictanet's initial objectives is a good starting point; documenting its progress over the years through careful research (as another person mentioned) is also important. But significant consideration should be given to the medium of delivery and how this is relevant to the context of the times. "The medium is the message" (Marshall McLuhan). The medium should thus respond to the demands of the time. Considerations should be given to those for whom policy is deliberated but who do not have access to deliberate in its present form. 3. Kicktanet is one of several model that works: I am currently finalizing a toolkit (ebook and wiki) of several models that have worked for generating evidence and for seeking consent of those whom policy will affect using case studies of good practice models implemented across the world. Kictanet and this discussion list is featured prominently as one of them. I hope to share the outcome of this research once it has been published. In sum, all these go to say that: 1. The list is useful to both lurkers and active members. 2. Its influence transcends Kenya and contributes to shaping policy and policy consultation beyond its borders. 3. The medium should respond to the dynamic context of communication technologies, and cater to the local context as well as the growing needs of its audience - present and future. It should therefore be shaped accordingly. My two bob. Ben A lurker. On Thu, April 12, 2012 8:59 am, Evans Ikua wrote:
Now that we have to weigh in, I think this is an important list that it serves its purposes well. If it falls silent for some time, then it means that everyone is happy, which is not a bad thing. When its active, it means that people have issues, and they have a good place and forum to air their concerns and opinion relating to the industry.
As for the lurkers, they are also good to have. As someone said, one will always speak out when their area of interest is mentioned and they have an opinion to share.
Regards, Evans
On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 4:49 PM, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke <http://mc/compose?to=harry%40comtelsys.co.ke> > wrote:
Now we talking. Please if you happen to be on this list, but presently on “read-only-mode” ( a new phrase I have learnt),****
please realize you owe it to this noble forum, started by noble people, with noble ideas at least in a way to leave some****
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So can we ensure that this forum carries the flag up higher and make a mark in this land and beyond that we can believe ****
in. Have looked around, do not see any other forum with such broad/diverse membership.****
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*From:* kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke%40lists.kictanet.or.ke> [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke%40lists.kictanet.or.ke> ] *On Behalf Of *Harry Hare *Sent:* Thursday, April 12, 2012 4:17 PM
*To:* harry@comtelsys.co.ke <http://mc/compose?to=harry%40comtelsys.co.ke> *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...!****
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Hey all, there is a strategy document floating somewhere. I think this could be a good place to start – see what has been achieved, what fell by the way side, identify what is still relevant, plug in new ideas and strengthen the network. KICTANet should never be allowed to "kick".****
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*From: *Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com <http://mc/compose?to=blongwe%40gmail.com> > *Date: *Thu, 12 Apr 2012 15:57:45 +0300 *To: *Harry Hare <harry@africanedevelopment.org <http://mc/compose?to=harry%40africanedevelopment.org> > *Cc: *KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet%40lists.kictanet.or.ke> > *Subject: *Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...!****
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If we go back to early discussions about the multi-stakeholder network known as KICTAnet I recall there being a distinction between the mailing list participants, and those stakeholders who would actively engage in KICTAnet "activities".****
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My take is that since there have been no "activities" as such - the feeling is that KICTAnet has "kicked" to borrow a phrase from @Harry.****
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I remember there used to be monthly face-to-face meetings which followed a particular topic or theme of interest and served as an opportunity for participants from the various networks to meet within the context of the "network of networks". At the time there was program funding from donor to cover costs of those meetings, this has presumably, run out. Which leads me to ask, can we mobilise funds locally? At least for these gatherings? As they will give a greater element of traction to the organization while ensuring that it continues to remain relevant within the sector. Especially as the melting pot for policy debate.****
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On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 3:41 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu%40yahoo.com> > wrote:****
Joe,
Currently listed number is 690 members from diverse backgrounds of Media, Academia, Govt, Regulator, Telcos(fixed, mobile, wireless). But as you noted not everyone is active -80% are often in read-only mode. That is one reason I thought we needed new thinking and new approaches...
walu.
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From: Joseph Mucheru <mucheru@google.com <http://mc/compose?to=mucheru%40google.com> >****
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...! To: jwalu@yahoo.com <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu%40yahoo.com> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet%40lists.kictanet.or.ke> >****
Date: Thursday, April 12, 2012, 2:53 PM****
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I am certainly above 35 and enjoy not only records but also the latest collaboration technologies "Google Hangouts<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QN38vHZjWXw>" I agree that we need to review our aim and strategies but we need to have a representative forum that allows for that to take place. @Brian you know many participant on this list are in read only mode.****
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@Walu/@Washington - can you give us an idea of the number of people actively subscribed to the list? Not the names but the number. This will be a good place to start. Dealing with facts and not guess work.****
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On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 2:31 PM, Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com <http://mc/compose?to=solo.mburu%40gmail.com> <http://mc/compose?to=solo.mburu@gmail.com <http://mc/compose?to=solo.mburu%40gmail.com> >> wrote:****
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On 12 April 2012 14:26, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk <http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe%40yahoo.co.uk> <http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk <http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe%40yahoo.co.uk> >> wrote:****
Harry,****
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We are ageing, email is loosing is lustre and the new generation hate records and prefer platforms like twitter and facebook.****
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The responsibility for keeping the forum active remains with those over 35 year old who unfortunately are trying to fit in with the younger crowd.*** *
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uuummmmm is there a way out of this loop.^C****
I'm below 35, but enjoy keeping records, in addition to facebook and twitter ****
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*From:* Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke <http://mc/compose?to=harry%40comtelsys.co.ke> <http://mc/compose?to=harry@comtelsys.co.ke <http://mc/compose?to=harry%40comtelsys.co.ke> >
*To:* robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk <http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe%40yahoo.co.uk> <http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk <http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe%40yahoo.co.uk> > ****
*Cc:* 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet%40lists.kictanet.or.ke> <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet%40lists.kictanet.or.ke> >> ****
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Ara..!****
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Not many people seriously want to rejuvenate this forum, as per Brian/Walubengo’s suggestion…?****
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Cannot imagine the forum becoming a good case study one day for some thesis student. Whose research titles among others:-****
· “How-to-kill a good forum, kick it into the dustbin and leave it for the dead” ****
· “The rise and rise, and fall and fall of a myriad of many ICT forums in Kenya, the major one being….****
· “How-not-to build structural resilience and offer strategic leadership”. Why the big forum went M.I.A, and petered out..****
· And the final one perhaps, “ Do not repeat the mistakes listed above, time for a RESET..”!****
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Certainly, unless otherwise – we might be headed for such a case study. Not sure if I should patent the titles, just in case..!****
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*From:* kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke%40lists.kictanet.or.ke> <http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke%40lists.kictanet.or.ke> >[mailto: kictanet-bounces+harry <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet-bounces%2Bharry>= comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke%40lists.kictanet.or.ke> <http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke%40lists.kictanet.or.ke> >] *On Behalf Of *Brian Munyao Longwe *Sent:* Thursday, April 12, 2012 12:50 AM *To:* harry@comtelsys.co.ke <http://mc/compose?to=harry%40comtelsys.co.ke> <http://mc/compose?to=harry@comtelsys.co.ke <http://mc/compose?to=harry%40comtelsys.co.ke> > *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...!****
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I think Walu is on the right track. Every organisation for-profit or not, has to reassess it's strategy, relevance, business direction and thrust periodically or risk falling into the shadows.****
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Is it time for KICTAnet to do so?****
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As one of the founders and a trustee I think that the time has come.****
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On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 6:21 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu%40yahoo.com> <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu@yahoo.com <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu%40yahoo.com> >> wrote:****
@Wash,
Maybe Delano is insinuating something. Perhaps KICTAnet needs to re-juvinate and re-energize. Bring in new blood and thinking. What do we want from KICTAnet, 8yrs later? What management structures, membership structures, operational, financial structures do we want to see going forward?
Perhaps a brainstorming face2face session is due. I for one have been the moderator since inception and maybe someone else can do a better job and we just have not asked them to come forth. Think about it - I could have run out of ideas or some younger dot.commer <http://dot.com> may just be sitting on better ways of moderation that I have never imagined...
just my 2pings.
walu.
--- On *Wed, 4/11/12, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com <http://mc/compose?to=odhiambo%40gmail.com> <http://mc/compose?to=odhiambo@gmail.com <http://mc/compose?to=odhiambo%40gmail.com> >
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From: Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com <http://mc/compose?to=odhiambo%40gmail.com> <http://mc/compose?to=odhiambo@gmail.com <http://mc/compose?to=odhiambo%40gmail.com> >
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...! To: jwalu@yahoo.com <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu%40yahoo.com> <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu@yahoo.com <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu%40yahoo.com> > Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet%40lists.kictanet.or.ke> <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet%40lists.kictanet.or.ke> >
Date: Wednesday, April 11, 2012, 3:50 PM****
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On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 14:59, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke <http://mc/compose?to=harry%40comtelsys.co.ke> <http://mc/compose?to=harry@comtelsys.co.ke <http://mc/compose?to=harry%40comtelsys.co.ke> >> wrote:****
I’m not sure which is which, until I see some response on whether we might just as well happen to be drifting along rudderless…!!****
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From: Grace Githaiga To: godera@skyweb.co.ke Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 3:36 PM Subject: RE: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0
Spot on Gilda. However, it may be useful to hear from some lurkers as to why they are not active participants of the forum (there is not so much from the sisters :)). Maybe there is something that can be done to allow for more participation? I have for example received comments off-list when I have moderated debates, and my question to
Gilda, That is Scenario A. I suspect there are about 3 more. Let me suggest Scenario B. Have you ever thought about the lurkers who may want to comment but cannot due to institutional/organizational affiliation, whereby they do not want personal opinion to be misconstrued as the position of the organization where they work? However, they do benefit from the rich discussions. I know many. Just a thought, Nyaki ________________________________ From: Gilda Odera <godera@skyweb.co.ke> To: elizaslider@yahoo.com Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 4:08 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0 Grace, I think it is a cultural thing here. Many people would rather write directly to you during a debate, as you say below, rather than voice their opinion openly. I am thinking Kenyans are still very shy and scared of being seen to "step on another's toes"- just in case their comment may be going against someone's opinion. Many would rather hide and comment quietly to the person next to them or the person they are close to. I imagine that is why there are still so many things that remain unchanged in the country that could be changed if people came out and voiced their opinions. But the few who write must never feel discouraged as their voices are still being heard and they are impacting on so many. It takes a few people to bring about change. My thoughts. Regards, Gilda ----- Original Message ----- those listers is that it would be nice for them to raise the very good comments here on this forum. Again, the aim is to strengthen the forum and have it continue to remain relevant.
On another note, I have seen some of our discussions here quoted authoritatively on mainstream media, as well as on social media.
Ben Akoh, we look forward to reading the findings of your research.
Lets keep this debate live! It is very useful.
Rgds GG ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If
you have the strength to survive, you have the power to succeed. Life is all about choices we make depending upon the situation we are in. Go forth and rule the World!
________________________________ From: godera@skyweb.co.ke Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 14:12:58 +0300 Subject:
CC: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke To: ggithaiga@hotmail.com
Long live Kictanet- as far as I am concerned. Listers, I think we need to remember that just like in any other forum, there are always the very few who engage in discussions while most do the listening. That is typical human behaviour, and it is therefore not odd nor is Kictanet dying because not all subscribed listers are actively participating. Personally, I am quite happy with the forum. And there has been so much to learn and listen to in the various debates- very useful. Regards, Gilda Odera ----- Original Message -----
From: Walubengo J To: godera@skyweb.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 12:04 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0
Ben
This is a powerful testimony. I do also know of a PhD student whose core dataset is the KICTAnet archives. And others who got jobs/scholarships arising from KICTAnet posts. I think these are some of the stories that we want to hear from the "horses" mouth...
However, on the flip-side, I think we should also welcome the negative experiences - or challenges as it were - so that we can improve going forward.
walu. nb: ave taken the liberty to tweak the subject to include KICTAnet 2.0
--- On Fri, 4/13/12, Ben Akoh <me@benakoh.com> wrote:
From: Ben Akoh <me@benakoh.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...! To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Friday, April 13, 2012, 2:17 AM
Hi All,
My name is Ben Akoh and I am one of many lurkers on this list, and on many others. I am not Kenyan, I have visited the country several times, I will be visiting it in the next month, I love it, its people, and have very good friends there.
I participated in one of the earlier public forums that helped to shape Kictanet and that fed into the numerous fiber initiatives to which you and most of us now enjoy: directly when we visit the country, and indirectly when we interact with good people like yourselves who continue to pave the way for how public consultation can shape future growth and development.
My comments are along three lines:
1. The benefits of lurkers: Being a lurker is not necessary a bad thing. Some of us continue to benefit from this list and learn good practices that inform public policy in many other areas. For instance, the Kictanet model is replicated across several national discussion lists in West Africa and have been suggested as a useful model for public consultation on policy issues. Lurkers benefit through propagate the good dialogues that emanate from this group in other forums beyond yours. See this as Kenya's export to the knowledge and information economy.
2. Questioning is good: Seeking ways through which this forum would become more relevant is also not necessarily a bad thing. Questioning leads to improvement. The day that every member of this group thinks that the list has arrived (group think), is the day it begins to slowly die a death. Thus, a constant review, as someone mentioned, against Kictanet's initial objectives is a good starting point; documenting its progress over the years through careful research (as another person mentioned) is also important. But significant consideration should be given to the medium of delivery and how this is relevant to the context of the times. "The medium is the message" (Marshall McLuhan). The medium should thus respond to the demands of the time. Considerations should be given to those for whom policy is deliberated but who do not have access to deliberate in its present form.
3. Kicktanet is one of several model that works: I am currently finalizing a toolkit (ebook and wiki) of several models that have worked for generating evidence and for seeking consent of those whom policy will affect using case studies of good practice models implemented across the world. Kictanet and this discussion list is featured prominently as one of them. I hope to share the outcome of this research once it has been published.
In sum, all these go to say that:
1. The list is useful to both lurkers and active members. 2. Its influence transcends Kenya and contributes to shaping policy and policy consultation beyond its borders. 3. The medium should respond to the dynamic context of communication technologies, and cater to the local context as well as the growing needs of its audience - present and future. It should therefore be shaped accordingly.
My two bob.
Ben A lurker.
On Thu, April 12, 2012 8:59 am, Evans Ikua wrote:
Now that we have to weigh in, I think this is an important list that it serves its purposes well. If it falls silent for some time, then it means that everyone is happy, which is not a bad thing. When its active, it means that people have issues, and they have a good place and forum to air their concerns and opinion relating to the industry.
As for the lurkers, they are also good to have. As someone said, one will always speak out when their area of interest is mentioned and they have an opinion to share.
Regards,
Evans
On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 4:49 PM, Harry Delano
<harry@comtelsys.co.ke>
wrote:
Now we talking. Please if you happen to
be on this list, but presently
on
“read-only-mode” ( a new phrase I have learnt),****
please realize you owe it to
this noble forum, started by noble people,
with noble ideas at least in a way to leave some****
mark…****
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So
can we ensure that this forum carries the flag up higher and make a
mark in this land and beyond that we can believe ****
in. Have looked around, do not see any other forum with such broad/diverse
membership.****
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Let’s keep the ideas coming
in..****
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Harry****
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*From:* kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke
[mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] *On
Behalf Of *Harry Hare *Sent:* Thursday, April 12, 2012 4:17 PM
*To:* harry@comtelsys.co.ke *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the
dustbin...!****
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Hey all, there is a strategy document
floating somewhere. I think this
could be a good place to start – see what has been achieved, what fell
by
the way side, identify what is still relevant, plug in new ideas and strengthen the network. KICTANet should never be allowed to "kick".****
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Harry Hare****
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Box 49475 00100****
Nairobi,
Kenya****
Tel +254 20
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Cel +254 725
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*From: *Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com> *Date: *Thu, 12
Apr 2012 15:57:45 +0300
*To: *Harry Hare <harry@africanedevelopment.org> *Cc: *KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>
*Subject: *Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the
dustbin...!****
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If we go back to early discussions about the multi-stakeholder network known as KICTAnet I recall there being a distinction between the mailing list participants, and those stakeholders who would actively engage in KICTAnet "activities".****
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My take is that since there have been no "activities" as such - the feeling is that KICTAnet has "kicked" to borrow a phrase from
@Harry.****
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I
remember there used to be monthly face-to-face meetings which followed
a particular topic or theme of interest and served as an opportunity for participants from the various networks to meet within the context of the "network of networks". At the time there was program funding from donor to cover costs of those meetings, this has presumably, run out. Which leads
me
to ask, can we mobilise funds locally? At least for these gatherings? As they will give a greater element of traction to the organization while ensuring that it continues to remain relevant within the sector.
Especially
as the melting pot for policy debate.****
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Best regards,****
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Brian****
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On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 3:41 PM,
Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com>
wrote:****
Joe,
Currently listed number is 690 members from diverse backgrounds of
Media, Academia, Govt, Regulator, Telcos(fixed, mobile, wireless). But as you noted not everyone is active -80% are often in read-only mode. That is one reason I thought we needed new thinking and new approaches...
walu.
--- On *Thu, 4/12/12, Joseph Mucheru
<mucheru@google.com>* wrote:****
From: Joseph Mucheru
<mucheru@google.com>****
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the
dustbin...! To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>****
Date: Thursday, April 12, 2012, 2:53 PM****
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I am certainly above 35 and enjoy not
only records but also the latest
collaboration technologies "Google Hangouts<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QN38vHZjWXw>"
I agree that we need to review our aim and strategies but we need to
have a representative forum that allows for that to take place. @Brian you know many participant on this list are in read only mode.****
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@Walu/@Washington - can you give us an idea of the number of people actively subscribed to the list? Not the names but the number. This will
be
a good place to start. Dealing with facts and not guess work.****
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Thanks****
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Joe****
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On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 2:31 PM, Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com<http://mc/compose?to=solo.mburu@gmail.com>>
wrote:****
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On
12 April 2012 14:26, robert yawe
<robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk<http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk>>
wrote:****
Harry,****
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We
are ageing, email is loosing is lustre and the new generation hate
records and prefer platforms like twitter and facebook.****
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The responsibility for keeping the forum active remains with those over
35 year old who unfortunately are trying to fit in with the younger crowd.***
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uuummmmm is
there a way out of this loop.^C****
I'm below 35, but
enjoy keeping records, in addition to facebook and
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Regards ****
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KAY System Technologies Ltd
Phoenix House, 6th Floor
P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya****
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*From:* Harry
Delano
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>
*To:* robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk <http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk>
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*Cc:* 'KICTAnet ICT Policy
Discussions'
<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/compose?to=kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>>
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*Sent:* Thursday, 12 April 2012,
13:55****
*Subject:* Re:
[kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the
dustbin...!****
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Ara..!****
****
Not many people seriously want to
rejuvenate this forum, as per
Brian/Walubengo’s suggestion…?****
****
Cannot imagine the forum becoming a
good case study one day for some
thesis student. Whose research titles among others:-****
· “How-to-kill a good forum, kick it into the dustbin and leave it for the dead” ****
· “The rise and rise, and fall and fall of a myriad of many ICT forums in Kenya, the major one being….****
· “How-not-to build structural resilience and offer strategic leadership”. Why the big forum went M.I.A, and petered out..****
· And the final one perhaps, “ Do not repeat the mistakes listed above, time for a RESET..”!****
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Certainly, unless otherwise – we might
be headed for such a case
study. Not sure if I should patent the titles, just in case..!****
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Harry****
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*Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the
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I think Walu is on the right track.
Every organisation for-profit or
not, has to reassess it's strategy, relevance, business direction and thrust periodically or risk falling into the shadows.****
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Is it time for KICTAnet to do
so?****
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As one of the founders and a trustee I think that the time has come.****
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My 2 shillings,****
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@Wash,
Maybe Delano is insinuating something. Perhaps KICTAnet needs to
re-juvinate and re-energize. Bring in new blood and thinking. What do we want from KICTAnet, 8yrs later? What management structures, membership structures, operational, financial structures do we want to see going forward?
Perhaps a brainstorming face2face session is due. I for one have been the moderator since inception and maybe someone else can do a better job and we just have not asked them to come forth. Think about it - I could have run out of ideas or some younger dot.commer <http://dot.com> may just be sitting on better ways of moderation that I have never imagined...
just my 2pings.
walu.
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I’m not sure which is which,
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Hi, Yes I have. Grace Githaiga shared with us an email from PS Murage on the same line. That is why I am encouraging KICTANET not to think it is not as relevant- it is. Kind regards, Gilda ----- Original Message ----- From: Catherine Adeya To: Gilda Odera Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 8:51 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0 Gilda, That is Scenario A. I suspect there are about 3 more. Let me suggest Scenario B. Have you ever thought about the lurkers who may want to comment but cannot due to institutional/organizational affiliation, whereby they do not want personal opinion to be misconstrued as the position of the organization where they work? However, they do benefit from the rich discussions. I know many. Just a thought, Nyaki ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Gilda Odera <godera@skyweb.co.ke> To: elizaslider@yahoo.com Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 4:08 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0 Grace, I think it is a cultural thing here. Many people would rather write directly to you during a debate, as you say below, rather than voice their opinion openly. I am thinking Kenyans are still very shy and scared of being seen to "step on another's toes"- just in case their comment may be going against someone's opinion. Many would rather hide and comment quietly to the person next to them or the person they are close to. I imagine that is why there are still so many things that remain unchanged in the country that could be changed if people came out and voiced their opinions. But the few who write must never feel discouraged as their voices are still being heard and they are impacting on so many. It takes a few people to bring about change. My thoughts. Regards, Gilda ----- Original Message ----- From: Grace Githaiga To: godera@skyweb.co.ke Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 3:36 PM Subject: RE: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0 Spot on Gilda. However, it may be useful to hear from some lurkers as to why they are not active participants of the forum (there is not so much from the sisters :)). Maybe there is something that can be done to allow for more participation? I have for example received comments off-list when I have moderated debates, and my question to those listers is that it would be nice for them to raise the very good comments here on this forum. Again, the aim is to strengthen the forum and have it continue to remain relevant. On another note, I have seen some of our discussions here quoted authoritatively on mainstream media, as well as on social media. Ben Akoh, we look forward to reading the findings of your research. Lets keep this debate live! It is very useful. Rgds GG ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you have the strength to survive, you have the power to succeed. Life is all about choices we make depending upon the situation we are in. Go forth and rule the World! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: godera@skyweb.co.ke Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 14:12:58 +0300 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0 CC: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke To: ggithaiga@hotmail.com Long live Kictanet- as far as I am concerned. Listers, I think we need to remember that just like in any other forum, there are always the very few who engage in discussions while most do the listening. That is typical human behaviour, and it is therefore not odd nor is Kictanet dying because not all subscribed listers are actively participating. Personally, I am quite happy with the forum. And there has been so much to learn and listen to in the various debates- very useful. Regards, Gilda Odera ----- Original Message ----- From: Walubengo J To: godera@skyweb.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 12:04 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0 Ben This is a powerful testimony. I do also know of a PhD student whose core dataset is the KICTAnet archives. And others who got jobs/scholarships arising from KICTAnet posts. I think these are some of the stories that we want to hear from the "horses" mouth... However, on the flip-side, I think we should also welcome the negative experiences - or challenges as it were - so that we can improve going forward. walu. nb: ave taken the liberty to tweak the subject to include KICTAnet 2.0 --- On Fri, 4/13/12, Ben Akoh <me@benakoh.com> wrote: From: Ben Akoh <me@benakoh.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...! To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Friday, April 13, 2012, 2:17 AM Hi All, My name is Ben Akoh and I am one of many lurkers on this list, and on many others. I am not Kenyan, I have visited the country several times, I will be visiting it in the next month, I love it, its people, and have very good friends there. I participated in one of the earlier public forums that helped to shape Kictanet and that fed into the numerous fiber initiatives to which you and most of us now enjoy: directly when we visit the country, and indirectly when we interact with good people like yourselves who continue to pave the way for how public consultation can shape future growth and development. My comments are along three lines: 1. The benefits of lurkers: Being a lurker is not necessary a bad thing. Some of us continue to benefit from this list and learn good practices that inform public policy in many other areas. For instance, the Kictanet model is replicated across several national discussion lists in West Africa and have been suggested as a useful model for public consultation on policy issues. Lurkers benefit through propagate the good dialogues that emanate from this group in other forums beyond yours. See this as Kenya's export to the knowledge and information economy. 2. Questioning is good: Seeking ways through which this forum would become more relevant is also not necessarily a bad thing. Questioning leads to improvement. The day that every member of this group thinks that the list has arrived (group think), is the day it begins to slowly die a death. Thus, a constant review, as someone mentioned, against Kictanet's initial objectives is a good starting point; documenting its progress over the years through careful research (as another person mentioned) is also important. But significant consideration should be given to the medium of delivery and how this is relevant to the context of the times. "The medium is the message" (Marshall McLuhan). The medium should thus respond to the demands of the time. Considerations should be given to those for whom policy is deliberated but who do not have access to deliberate in its present form. 3. Kicktanet is one of several model that works: I am currently finalizing a toolkit (ebook and wiki) of several models that have worked for generating evidence and for seeking consent of those whom policy will affect using case studies of good practice models implemented across the world. Kictanet and this discussion list is featured prominently as one of them. I hope to share the outcome of this research once it has been published. In sum, all these go to say that: 1. The list is useful to both lurkers and active members. 2. Its influence transcends Kenya and contributes to shaping policy and policy consultation beyond its borders. 3. The medium should respond to the dynamic context of communication technologies, and cater to the local context as well as the growing needs of its audience - present and future. It should therefore be shaped accordingly. My two bob. Ben A lurker. On Thu, April 12, 2012 8:59 am, Evans Ikua wrote: > Now that we have to weigh in, I think this is an important list that it > serves its purposes well. If it falls silent for some time, then it means > that everyone is happy, which is not a bad thing. When its active, it > means > that people have issues, and they have a good place and forum to air their > concerns and opinion relating to the industry. > > As for the lurkers, they are also good to have. As someone said, one will > always speak out when their area of interest is mentioned and they have an > opinion to share. > > Regards, > Evans > > On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 4:49 PM, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> > wrote: > >> Now we talking. Please if you happen to be on this list, but presently >> on >> “read-only-mode” ( a new phrase I have learnt),**** >> >> please realize you owe it to this noble forum, started by noble people, >> with noble ideas at least in a way to leave some**** >> >> mark…**** >> >> ** ** >> >> So can we ensure that this forum carries the flag up higher and make a >> mark in this land and beyond that we can believe **** >> >> in. Have looked around, do not see any other forum with such >> broad/diverse >> membership.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Let’s keep the ideas coming in..**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Harry**** >> >> ** ** >> >> *From:* kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke >> [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] *On >> Behalf Of *Harry Hare >> *Sent:* Thursday, April 12, 2012 4:17 PM >> >> *To:* harry@comtelsys.co.ke >> *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions >> *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the >> dustbin...!**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Hey all, there is a strategy document floating somewhere. I think this >> could be a good place to start – see what has been achieved, what fell >> by >> the way side, identify what is still relevant, plug in new ideas and >> strengthen the network. KICTANet should never be allowed to "kick".**** >> >> **** >> >> Harry Hare**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Director**** >> >> African eDevelopment Resource Centre**** >> >> PO Box 49475 00100**** >> >> Nairobi, Kenya**** >> >> Tel +254 20 4041646**** >> >> Cel +254 725 650044**** >> >> ** ** >> >> ** ** >> >> *From: *Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com> >> *Date: *Thu, 12 Apr 2012 15:57:45 +0300 >> *To: *Harry Hare <harry@africanedevelopment.org> >> *Cc: *KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> >> *Subject: *Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the >> dustbin...!**** >> >> ** ** >> >> If we go back to early discussions about the multi-stakeholder network >> known as KICTAnet I recall there being a distinction between the mailing >> list participants, and those stakeholders who would actively engage in >> KICTAnet "activities".**** >> >> ** ** >> >> My take is that since there have been no "activities" as such - the >> feeling is that KICTAnet has "kicked" to borrow a phrase from >> @Harry.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> I remember there used to be monthly face-to-face meetings which followed >> a >> particular topic or theme of interest and served as an opportunity for >> participants from the various networks to meet within the context of the >> "network of networks". At the time there was program funding from donor >> to >> cover costs of those meetings, this has presumably, run out. Which leads >> me >> to ask, can we mobilise funds locally? At least for these gatherings? As >> they will give a greater element of traction to the organization while >> ensuring that it continues to remain relevant within the sector. >> Especially >> as the melting pot for policy debate.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Best regards,**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Brian**** >> >> ** ** >> >> On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 3:41 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> >> wrote:**** >> >> Joe, >> >> Currently listed number is 690 members from diverse backgrounds of >> Media, >> Academia, Govt, Regulator, Telcos(fixed, mobile, wireless). But as you >> noted not everyone is active -80% are often in read-only mode. That is >> one >> reason I thought we needed new thinking and new approaches... >> >> walu. >> >> --- On *Thu, 4/12/12, Joseph Mucheru <mucheru@google.com>* wrote:**** >> >> >> From: Joseph Mucheru <mucheru@google.com>**** >> >> >> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the >> dustbin...! >> To: jwalu@yahoo.com >> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" >> <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>**** >> >> Date: Thursday, April 12, 2012, 2:53 PM**** >> >> ** ** >> >> I am certainly above 35 and enjoy not only records but also the latest >> collaboration technologies "Google >> Hangouts<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QN38vHZjWXw>" >> I agree that we need to review our aim and strategies but we need to >> have a >> representative forum that allows for that to take place. @Brian you know >> many participant on this list are in read only mode.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> @Walu/@Washington - can you give us an idea of the number of people >> actively subscribed to the list? Not the names but the number. This will >> be >> a good place to start. Dealing with facts and not guess work.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Thanks**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Joe**** >> >> ** ** >> >> On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 2:31 PM, Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau >> <solo.mburu@gmail.com<http://mc/compose?to=solo.mburu@gmail.com>> >> wrote:**** >> >> ** ** >> >> On 12 April 2012 14:26, robert yawe >> <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk<http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk>> >> wrote:**** >> >> Harry,**** >> >> ** ** >> >> We are ageing, email is loosing is lustre and the new generation hate >> records and prefer platforms like twitter and facebook.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> The responsibility for keeping the forum active remains with those over >> 35 >> year old who unfortunately are trying to fit in with the younger >> crowd.*** >> * >> >> ** ** >> >> uuummmmm is there a way out of this loop.^C**** >> >> >> I'm below 35, but enjoy keeping records, in addition to facebook and >> twitter >> **** >> >> ** ** >> >> Regards **** >> >> **** >> >> Robert Yawe >> KAY System Technologies Ltd >> Phoenix House, 6th Floor >> P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 >> Kenya**** >> >> Tel: +254722511225 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting +254722511225 end_of_the_skype_highlighting, +254202010696 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting +254202010696 end_of_the_skype_highlighting**** >> ------------------------------ >> >> *From:* Harry Delano >> <harry@comtelsys.co.ke<http://mc/compose?to=harry@comtelsys.co.ke> >> > >> *To:* robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk >> <http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> >> **** >> >> *Cc:* 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' >> <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/compose?to=kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>> >> **** >> >> *Sent:* Thursday, 12 April 2012, 13:55**** >> >> >> *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the >> dustbin...!**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Ara..!**** >> >> **** >> >> Not many people seriously want to rejuvenate this forum, as per >> Brian/Walubengo’s suggestion…?**** >> >> **** >> >> Cannot imagine the forum becoming a good case study one day for some >> thesis student. Whose research titles among others:-**** >> >> · “How-to-kill a good forum, kick it into the dustbin and >> leave >> it for the dead” **** >> >> · “The rise and rise, and fall and fall of a myriad of many >> ICT >> forums in Kenya, the major one being….**** >> >> · “How-not-to build structural resilience and offer strategic >> leadership”. Why the big forum went M.I.A, and petered out..**** >> >> · And the final one perhaps, “ Do not repeat the mistakes >> listed >> above, time for a RESET..”!**** >> >> **** >> >> Certainly, unless otherwise – we might be headed for such a case >> study. >> Not sure if I should patent the titles, just in case..!**** >> >> **** >> >> Harry**** >> >> **** >> >> **** >> >> *From:* >> kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke>[mailto: >> kictanet-bounces+harry <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet-bounces%2Bharry>= >> comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke>] >> *On Behalf Of *Brian Munyao Longwe >> *Sent:* Thursday, April 12, 2012 12:50 AM >> *To:* harry@comtelsys.co.ke <http://mc/compose?to=harry@comtelsys.co.ke> >> *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions >> *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the >> dustbin...!**** >> >> **** >> >> I think Walu is on the right track. Every organisation for-profit or >> not, >> has to reassess it's strategy, relevance, business direction and thrust >> periodically or risk falling into the shadows.**** >> >> **** >> >> Is it time for KICTAnet to do so?**** >> >> **** >> >> As one of the founders and a trustee I think that the time has come.**** >> >> **** >> >> My 2 shillings,**** >> >> **** >> >> Brian**** >> >> On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 6:21 PM, Walubengo J >> <jwalu@yahoo.com<http://mc/compose?to=jwalu@yahoo.com>> >> wrote:**** >> >> @Wash, >> >> Maybe Delano is insinuating something. Perhaps KICTAnet needs to >> re-juvinate >> and re-energize. Bring in new blood and thinking. What do we want from >> KICTAnet, 8yrs later? What management structures, membership structures, >> operational, financial structures do we want to see going forward? >> >> Perhaps a brainstorming face2face session is due. I for one have been >> the >> moderator since inception and maybe someone else can do a better job and >> we >> just have not asked them to come forth. Think about it - I could have >> run >> out of ideas or some younger dot.commer <http://dot.com> may just be >> sitting on better ways of moderation that I have never imagined... >> >> just my 2pings. >> >> walu. >> >> --- On *Wed, 4/11/12, Odhiambo Washington >> <odhiambo@gmail.com<http://mc/compose?to=odhiambo@gmail.com> >> >* wrote:**** >> >> >> From: Odhiambo Washington >> <odhiambo@gmail.com<http://mc/compose?to=odhiambo@gmail.com> >> > >> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the >> dustbin...! >> To: jwalu@yahoo.com <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu@yahoo.com> >> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" >> <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/compose?to=kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> >> > >> Date: Wednesday, April 11, 2012, 3:50 PM**** >> >> **** >> >> **** >> >> On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 14:59, Harry Delano >> <harry@comtelsys.co.ke<http://mc/compose?to=harry@comtelsys.co.ke>> >> wrote:**** >> >> I’m not sure which is which, until I see some response on whether we >> might >> just as well happen to be drifting along rudderless…!!**** >> >> **** >> >> >> You mean the post-Easter stupor, or?? >> **** >> >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> Odhiambo WASHINGTON, >> Nairobi,KE >> +254733744121/+254722743223 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting +254722743223 end_of_the_skype_highlighting >> _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ >> I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler. >> [image: cid:image001.png@01CD18CB.53049790]Please consider the >> environment before printing this email. **** >> >> **** >> >> -----Inline Attachment Follows-----**** >> >> _______________________________________________ >> kictanet mailing list >> kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/compose?to=kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> >> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >> >> Unsubscribe or change your options at >> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/jwalu%40yahoo.com >> >> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform >> for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and >> regulation. 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Ben, Karibu sana from your many Kenyan friends, at least I believe I am one of them. I know you have been a lurker for years as you were sometimes apprehensive on what to comment on the 'Kenya' issues. I know for a fact that many times you consulted off the list and your input certainly enriched certain debates. Therefore, I second many suggestions you give below. Will you hopefully share your toolkit with some of us when ready...or dare I add...with Kictaneter's? Best Regards, Nyaki ________________________________ From: Ben Akoh <me@benakoh.com> To: elizaslider@yahoo.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 2:17 AM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...! Hi All, My name is Ben Akoh and I am one of many lurkers on this list, and on many others. I am not Kenyan, I have visited the country several times, I will be visiting it in the next month, I love it, its people, and have very good friends there. I participated in one of the earlier public forums that helped to shape Kictanet and that fed into the numerous fiber initiatives to which you and most of us now enjoy: directly when we visit the country, and indirectly when we interact with good people like yourselves who continue to pave the way for how public consultation can shape future growth and development. My comments are along three lines: 1. The benefits of lurkers: Being a lurker is not necessary a bad thing. Some of us continue to benefit from this list and learn good practices that inform public policy in many other areas. For instance, the Kictanet model is replicated across several national discussion lists in West Africa and have been suggested as a useful model for public consultation on policy issues. Lurkers benefit through propagate the good dialogues that emanate from this group in other forums beyond yours. See this as Kenya's export to the knowledge and information economy. 2. Questioning is good: Seeking ways through which this forum would become more relevant is also not necessarily a bad thing. Questioning leads to improvement. The day that every member of this group thinks that the list has arrived (group think), is the day it begins to slowly die a death. Thus, a constant review, as someone mentioned, against Kictanet's initial objectives is a good starting point; documenting its progress over the years through careful research (as another person mentioned) is also important. But significant consideration should be given to the medium of delivery and how this is relevant to the context of the times. "The medium is the message" (Marshall McLuhan). The medium should thus respond to the demands of the time. Considerations should be given to those for whom policy is deliberated but who do not have access to deliberate in its present form. 3. Kicktanet is one of several model that works: I am currently finalizing a toolkit (ebook and wiki) of several models that have worked for generating evidence and for seeking consent of those whom policy will affect using case studies of good practice models implemented across the world. Kictanet and this discussion list is featured prominently as one of them. I hope to share the outcome of this research once it has been published. In sum, all these go to say that: 1. The list is useful to both lurkers and active members. 2. Its influence transcends Kenya and contributes to shaping policy and policy consultation beyond its borders. 3. The medium should respond to the dynamic context of communication technologies, and cater to the local context as well as the growing needs of its audience - present and future. It should therefore be shaped accordingly. My two bob. Ben A lurker. On Thu, April 12, 2012 8:59 am, Evans Ikua wrote:
Now that we have to weigh in, I think this is an important list that it serves its purposes well. If it falls silent for some time, then it means that everyone is happy, which is not a bad thing. When its active, it means that people have issues, and they have a good place and forum to air their concerns and opinion relating to the industry.
As for the lurkers, they are also good to have. As someone said, one will always speak out when their area of interest is mentioned and they have an opinion to share.
Regards, Evans
On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 4:49 PM, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> wrote:
Now we talking. Please if you happen to be on this list, but presently on “read-only-mode” ( a new phrase I have learnt),****
please realize you owe it to this noble forum, started by noble people, with noble ideas at least in a way to leave some****
mark…****
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So can we ensure that this forum carries the flag up higher and make a mark in this land and beyond that we can believe ****
in. Have looked around, do not see any other forum with such broad/diverse membership.****
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Let’s keep the ideas coming in..****
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Harry****
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*From:* kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] *On Behalf Of *Harry Hare *Sent:* Thursday, April 12, 2012 4:17 PM
*To:* harry@comtelsys.co.ke *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...!****
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Hey all, there is a strategy document floating somewhere. I think this could be a good place to start – see what has been achieved, what fell by the way side, identify what is still relevant, plug in new ideas and strengthen the network. KICTANet should never be allowed to "kick".****
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Harry Hare****
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PO Box 49475 00100****
Nairobi, Kenya****
Tel +254 20 4041646****
Cel +254 725 650044****
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*From: *Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com> *Date: *Thu, 12 Apr 2012 15:57:45 +0300 *To: *Harry Hare <harry@africanedevelopment.org> *Cc: *KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Subject: *Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...!****
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If we go back to early discussions about the multi-stakeholder network known as KICTAnet I recall there being a distinction between the mailing list participants, and those stakeholders who would actively engage in KICTAnet "activities".****
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My take is that since there have been no "activities" as such - the feeling is that KICTAnet has "kicked" to borrow a phrase from @Harry.****
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I remember there used to be monthly face-to-face meetings which followed a particular topic or theme of interest and served as an opportunity for participants from the various networks to meet within the context of the "network of networks". At the time there was program funding from donor to cover costs of those meetings, this has presumably, run out. Which leads me to ask, can we mobilise funds locally? At least for these gatherings? As they will give a greater element of traction to the organization while ensuring that it continues to remain relevant within the sector. Especially as the melting pot for policy debate.****
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Best regards,****
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Brian****
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On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 3:41 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:****
Joe,
Currently listed number is 690 members from diverse backgrounds of Media, Academia, Govt, Regulator, Telcos(fixed, mobile, wireless). But as you noted not everyone is active -80% are often in read-only mode. That is one reason I thought we needed new thinking and new approaches...
walu.
--- On *Thu, 4/12/12, Joseph Mucheru <mucheru@google.com>* wrote:****
From: Joseph Mucheru <mucheru@google.com>****
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...! To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>****
Date: Thursday, April 12, 2012, 2:53 PM****
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I am certainly above 35 and enjoy not only records but also the latest collaboration technologies "Google Hangouts<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QN38vHZjWXw>" I agree that we need to review our aim and strategies but we need to have a representative forum that allows for that to take place. @Brian you know many participant on this list are in read only mode.****
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@Walu/@Washington - can you give us an idea of the number of people actively subscribed to the list? Not the names but the number. This will be a good place to start. Dealing with facts and not guess work.****
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Thanks****
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Joe****
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On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 2:31 PM, Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com<http://mc/compose?to=solo.mburu@gmail.com>> wrote:****
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On 12 April 2012 14:26, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk<http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk>> wrote:****
Harry,****
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We are ageing, email is loosing is lustre and the new generation hate records and prefer platforms like twitter and facebook.****
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The responsibility for keeping the forum active remains with those over 35 year old who unfortunately are trying to fit in with the younger crowd.*** *
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uuummmmm is there a way out of this loop.^C****
I'm below 35, but enjoy keeping records, in addition to facebook and twitter ****
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Regards ****
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*From:* Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke<http://mc/compose?to=harry@comtelsys.co.ke>
*To:* robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk <http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> ****
*Cc:* 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/compose?to=kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>> ****
*Sent:* Thursday, 12 April 2012, 13:55****
*Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...!****
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Ara..!****
****
Not many people seriously want to rejuvenate this forum, as per Brian/Walubengo’s suggestion…?****
****
Cannot imagine the forum becoming a good case study one day for some thesis student. Whose research titles among others:-****
· “How-to-kill a good forum, kick it into the dustbin and leave it for the dead” ****
· “The rise and rise, and fall and fall of a myriad of many ICT forums in Kenya, the major one being….****
· “How-not-to build structural resilience and offer strategic leadership”. Why the big forum went M.I.A, and petered out..****
· And the final one perhaps, “ Do not repeat the mistakes listed above, time for a RESET..”!****
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Certainly, unless otherwise – we might be headed for such a case study. Not sure if I should patent the titles, just in case..!****
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Harry****
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*From:* kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke>[mailto: kictanet-bounces+harry <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet-bounces%2Bharry>= comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke>] *On Behalf Of *Brian Munyao Longwe *Sent:* Thursday, April 12, 2012 12:50 AM *To:* harry@comtelsys.co.ke <http://mc/compose?to=harry@comtelsys.co.ke> *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...!****
****
I think Walu is on the right track. Every organisation for-profit or not, has to reassess it's strategy, relevance, business direction and thrust periodically or risk falling into the shadows.****
****
Is it time for KICTAnet to do so?****
****
As one of the founders and a trustee I think that the time has come.****
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My 2 shillings,****
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Brian****
On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 6:21 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com<http://mc/compose?to=jwalu@yahoo.com>> wrote:****
@Wash,
Maybe Delano is insinuating something. Perhaps KICTAnet needs to re-juvinate and re-energize. Bring in new blood and thinking. What do we want from KICTAnet, 8yrs later? What management structures, membership structures, operational, financial structures do we want to see going forward?
Perhaps a brainstorming face2face session is due. I for one have been the moderator since inception and maybe someone else can do a better job and we just have not asked them to come forth. Think about it - I could have run out of ideas or some younger dot.commer <http://dot.com> may just be sitting on better ways of moderation that I have never imagined...
just my 2pings.
walu.
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From: Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com<http://mc/compose?to=odhiambo@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...! To: jwalu@yahoo.com <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu@yahoo.com> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/compose?to=kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>
Date: Wednesday, April 11, 2012, 3:50 PM****
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On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 14:59, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke<http://mc/compose?to=harry@comtelsys.co.ke>> wrote:****
I’m not sure which is which, until I see some response on whether we might just as well happen to be drifting along rudderless…!!****
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You mean the post-Easter stupor, or?? ****
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Nice points there but the reality is that very few want to get their hands dirty but would rather benefit by association or if there is something in it for me, not a bad approach in this economic times ,on other note i wish Harry could go straight to the point, the title is confusing depending on ones expectations but i am sure there is a reason you chose it. On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 4:17 PM, Harry Hare <harry@africanedevelopment.org>wrote:
Hey all, there is a strategy document floating somewhere. I think this could be a good place to start – see what has been achieved, what fell by the way side, identify what is still relevant, plug in new ideas and strengthen the network. KICTANet should never be allowed to "kick".
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Director African eDevelopment Resource Centre PO Box 49475 00100 Nairobi, Kenya Tel +254 20 4041646 Cel +254 725 650044
From: Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 15:57:45 +0300 To: Harry Hare <harry@africanedevelopment.org>
Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...!
If we go back to early discussions about the multi-stakeholder network known as KICTAnet I recall there being a distinction between the mailing list participants, and those stakeholders who would actively engage in KICTAnet "activities".
My take is that since there have been no "activities" as such - the feeling is that KICTAnet has "kicked" to borrow a phrase from @Harry.
I remember there used to be monthly face-to-face meetings which followed a particular topic or theme of interest and served as an opportunity for participants from the various networks to meet within the context of the "network of networks". At the time there was program funding from donor to cover costs of those meetings, this has presumably, run out. Which leads me to ask, can we mobilise funds locally? At least for these gatherings? As they will give a greater element of traction to the organization while ensuring that it continues to remain relevant within the sector. Especially as the melting pot for policy debate.
Best regards,
Brian
On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 3:41 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
Joe,
Currently listed number is 690 members from diverse backgrounds of Media, Academia, Govt, Regulator, Telcos(fixed, mobile, wireless). But as you noted not everyone is active -80% are often in read-only mode. That is one reason I thought we needed new thinking and new approaches...
walu.
--- On *Thu, 4/12/12, Joseph Mucheru <mucheru@google.com>* wrote:
From: Joseph Mucheru <mucheru@google.com>
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...! To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Thursday, April 12, 2012, 2:53 PM
I am certainly above 35 and enjoy not only records but also the latest collaboration technologies "Google Hangouts<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QN38vHZjWXw>" I agree that we need to review our aim and strategies but we need to have a representative forum that allows for that to take place. @Brian you know many participant on this list are in read only mode.
@Walu/@Washington - can you give us an idea of the number of people actively subscribed to the list? Not the names but the number. This will be a good place to start. Dealing with facts and not guess work.
Thanks
Joe
On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 2:31 PM, Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau < solo.mburu@gmail.com <http://mc/compose?to=solo.mburu@gmail.com>> wrote:
On 12 April 2012 14:26, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk<http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:
Harry,
We are ageing, email is loosing is lustre and the new generation hate records and prefer platforms like twitter and facebook.
The responsibility for keeping the forum active remains with those over 35 year old who unfortunately are trying to fit in with the younger crowd.
uuummmmm is there a way out of this loop.^C
I'm below 35, but enjoy keeping records, in addition to facebook and twitter
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ------------------------------ *From:* Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke<http://mc/compose?to=harry@comtelsys.co.ke>
*To:* robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk<http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> *Cc:* 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/compose?to=kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>>
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Ara..!
Not many people seriously want to rejuvenate this forum, as per Brian/Walubengo’s suggestion…?
Cannot imagine the forum becoming a good case study one day for some thesis student. Whose research titles among others:- · “How-to-kill a good forum, kick it into the dustbin and leave it for the dead” · “The rise and rise, and fall and fall of a myriad of many ICT forums in Kenya, the major one being…. · “How-not-to build structural resilience and offer strategic leadership”. Why the big forum went M.I.A, and petered out.. · And the final one perhaps, “ Do not repeat the mistakes listed above, time for a RESET..”!
Certainly, unless otherwise – we might be headed for such a case study. Not sure if I should patent the titles, just in case..!
Harry
*From:* kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke>[mailto: kictanet-bounces+harry <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet-bounces%2Bharry>= comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke>] *On Behalf Of *Brian Munyao Longwe *Sent:* Thursday, April 12, 2012 12:50 AM *To:* harry@comtelsys.co.ke <http://mc/compose?to=harry@comtelsys.co.ke> *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...!
I think Walu is on the right track. Every organisation for-profit or not, has to reassess it's strategy, relevance, business direction and thrust periodically or risk falling into the shadows.
Is it time for KICTAnet to do so?
As one of the founders and a trustee I think that the time has come.
My 2 shillings,
Brian On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 6:21 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com<http://mc/compose?to=jwalu@yahoo.com>> wrote: @Wash,
Maybe Delano is insinuating something. Perhaps KICTAnet needs to re-juvinate and re-energize. Bring in new blood and thinking. What do we want from KICTAnet, 8yrs later? What management structures, membership structures, operational, financial structures do we want to see going forward?
Perhaps a brainstorming face2face session is due. I for one have been the moderator since inception and maybe someone else can do a better job and we just have not asked them to come forth. Think about it - I could have run out of ideas or some younger dot.commer <http://dot.com> may just be sitting on better ways of moderation that I have never imagined...
just my 2pings.
walu.
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Date: Wednesday, April 11, 2012, 3:50 PM
On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 14:59, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke<http://mc/compose?to=harry@comtelsys.co.ke>> wrote: I’m not sure which is which, until I see some response on whether we might just as well happen to be drifting along rudderless…!!
You mean the post-Easter stupor, or??
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Hi Brian, On the issue of funding it is unfortunate that we keep confirming Dr. Ndemo's position that all we do is "nataka serikali . . .". At the height of the Konza debate I personally proposed that we rally funds together to fund a town hall meeting and also to pay professional producers to capture the discussions both for posterity and to share with those from around the country and the world who could not be present physically. The funding did not take off but the session took place after a donor come forward, unfortunately the volunteers who did the recording of the session misplaced the tape and so the discussion only benefited those who attended. We need to become our own NGO and learn to give where no monetary return is expected, tithing does not count as for most of us it is "planting". The benefit of being able to fund our own activities is that we can remain independent in thought and action. Brian, I fully agree with you that we need to develop local funding channels beginning with ourselves but also as we do this lets please apply the technology we are always yapping about and make sure that any such "face to face" gathering will be accessible to all irrespective of where they might be across the world. It was annoying to see the level of disconnect at Connected Kenya, but it was at least a beginning to have the stream. So that this issue does not turn to be another talk shop that will give Dr. Ndemo more ammunition to thrush us (has he received the white paper from Michael's committee that was formed at #140Friday?) can Liko of Pesapal please set-up an account for the fund and give us the details so we can put our money where our mouths are as relates to funding. Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From: Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Thursday, 12 April 2012, 15:57 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...! If we go back to early discussions about the multi-stakeholder network known as KICTAnet I recall there being a distinction between the mailing list participants, and those stakeholders who would actively engage in KICTAnet "activities". My take is that since there have been no "activities" as such - the feeling is that KICTAnet has "kicked" to borrow a phrase from @Harry. I remember there used to be monthly face-to-face meetings which followed a particular topic or theme of interest and served as an opportunity for participants from the various networks to meet within the context of the "network of networks". At the time there was program funding from donor to cover costs of those meetings, this has presumably, run out. Which leads me to ask, can we mobilise funds locally? At least for these gatherings? As they will give a greater element of traction to the organization while ensuring that it continues to remain relevant within the sector. Especially as the melting pot for policy debate. Best regards, Brian On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 3:41 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote: Joe,
Currently listed number is 690 members from diverse backgrounds of Media, Academia, Govt, Regulator, Telcos(fixed, mobile, wireless). But as you noted not everyone is active -80% are often in read-only mode. That is one reason I thought we needed new thinking and new approaches...
walu.
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Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...! To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Thursday, April 12, 2012, 2:53 PM
I am certainly above 35 and enjoy not only records but also the latest collaboration technologies "Google Hangouts" I agree that we need to review our aim and strategies but we need to have a representative forum that allows for that to take place. @Brian you know many participant on this list are in read only mode.
@Walu/@Washington - can you give us an idea of the number of people actively subscribed to the list? Not the names but the number. This will be a good place to start. Dealing with facts and not guess work.
Thanks
Joe
On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 2:31 PM, Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com> wrote:
On 12 April 2012 14:26, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Harry,
We are ageing, email is loosing is lustre and the new generation hate records and prefer platforms like twitter and facebook.
The responsibility for keeping the forum active remains with those over 35 year old who unfortunately are trying to fit in with the younger crowd.
uuummmmm is there a way out of this loop.^C
I'm below 35, but enjoy keeping records, in addition to facebook and twitter
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________________________________ From: Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk
Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Thursday, 12 April 2012, 13:55
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...!
Ara..! Not many people seriously want to rejuvenate this forum, as per Brian/Walubengo’s suggestion…? Cannot imagine the forum becoming a good case study one day for some thesis student. Whose research titles among others:- · “How-to-kill a good forum, kick it into the dustbin and leave it for the dead” · “The rise and rise, and fall and fall of a myriad of many ICT forums in Kenya, the major one being…. · “How-not-to build structural resilience and offer strategic leadership”. Why the big forum went M.I.A, and petered out.. · And the final one perhaps, “ Do not repeat the mistakes listed above, time for a RESET..”! Certainly, unless otherwise – we might be headed for such a case study. Not sure if I should patent the titles, just in case..! Harry From:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Brian Munyao Longwe Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 12:50 AM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...! I think Walu is on the right track. Every organisation for-profit or not, has to reassess it's strategy, relevance, business direction and thrust periodically or risk falling into the shadows. Is it time for KICTAnet to do so? As one of the founders and a trustee I think that the time has come. My 2 shillings, Brian On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 6:21 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote: @Wash,
Maybe Delano is insinuating something. Perhaps KICTAnet needs to re-juvinate and re-energize. Bring in new blood and thinking. What do we want from KICTAnet, 8yrs later? What management structures, membership structures, operational, financial structures do we want to see going forward?
Perhaps a brainstorming face2face session is due. I for one have been the moderator since inception and maybe someone else can do a better job and we just have not asked them to come forth. Think about it - I could have run out of ideas or some younger dot.commer may just be sitting on better ways of moderation that I have never imagined...
just my 2pings.
walu.
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From: Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...! To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Wednesday, April 11, 2012, 3:50 PM On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 14:59, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> wrote: I’m not sure which is which, until I see some response on whether we might just as well happen to be drifting along rudderless…!!
You mean the post-Easter stupor, or??
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Hi Brian, At the risk of starting another debate, the funding you refer to also came from local players such as TESPOK and was primarily focused on a key objective. At the time it was policy development engaging the various networks to ensure we got on the right path. So we need to ask, what do we need funding for right now? If you this was clear am sure many on the list would contribute. If its only to have a face to face a doubt its that interesting. My point still remains, on this list sharing real views and debating them influences policy decisions at the highest levels and we should not change that. I can sponsor a face to face if people will be willing to listen to discussions on digital advertising. That however would not be a KICTANET related activity but Google marketing. I would also shape the agenda and lose our neutrality. This is the danger of accepting money :-) On Apr 12, 2012 1:58 PM, "Brian Munyao Longwe" <blongwe@gmail.com> wrote:
If we go back to early discussions about the multi-stakeholder network known as KICTAnet I recall there being a distinction between the mailing list participants, and those stakeholders who would actively engage in KICTAnet "activities".
My take is that since there have been no "activities" as such - the feeling is that KICTAnet has "kicked" to borrow a phrase from @Harry.
I remember there used to be monthly face-to-face meetings which followed a particular topic or theme of interest and served as an opportunity for participants from the various networks to meet within the context of the "network of networks". At the time there was program funding from donor to cover costs of those meetings, this has presumably, run out. Which leads me to ask, can we mobilise funds locally? At least for these gatherings? As they will give a greater element of traction to the organization while ensuring that it continues to remain relevant within the sector. Especially as the melting pot for policy debate.
Best regards,
Brian
On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 3:41 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
Joe,
Currently listed number is 690 members from diverse backgrounds of Media, Academia, Govt, Regulator, Telcos(fixed, mobile, wireless). But as you noted not everyone is active -80% are often in read-only mode. That is one reason I thought we needed new thinking and new approaches...
walu.
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From: Joseph Mucheru <mucheru@google.com>
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...! To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Thursday, April 12, 2012, 2:53 PM
I am certainly above 35 and enjoy not only records but also the latest collaboration technologies "Google Hangouts<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QN38vHZjWXw>" I agree that we need to review our aim and strategies but we need to have a representative forum that allows for that to take place. @Brian you know many participant on this list are in read only mode.
@Walu/@Washington - can you give us an idea of the number of people actively subscribed to the list? Not the names but the number. This will be a good place to start. Dealing with facts and not guess work.
Thanks
Joe
On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 2:31 PM, Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau < solo.mburu@gmail.com <http://mc/compose?to=solo.mburu@gmail.com>> wrote:
On 12 April 2012 14:26, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk<http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:
Harry,
We are ageing, email is loosing is lustre and the new generation hate records and prefer platforms like twitter and facebook.
The responsibility for keeping the forum active remains with those over 35 year old who unfortunately are trying to fit in with the younger crowd.
uuummmmm is there a way out of this loop.^C
I'm below 35, but enjoy keeping records, in addition to facebook and twitter
Regards
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Ara..!
Not many people seriously want to rejuvenate this forum, as per Brian/Walubengo’s suggestion…?
Cannot imagine the forum becoming a good case study one day for some thesis student. Whose research titles among others:- · “How-to-kill a good forum, kick it into the dustbin and leave it for the dead” · “The rise and rise, and fall and fall of a myriad of many ICT forums in Kenya, the major one being…. · “How-not-to build structural resilience and offer strategic leadership”. Why the big forum went M.I.A, and petered out.. · And the final one perhaps, “ Do not repeat the mistakes listed above, time for a RESET..”!
Certainly, unless otherwise – we might be headed for such a case study. Not sure if I should patent the titles, just in case..!
Harry
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I think Walu is on the right track. Every organisation for-profit or not, has to reassess it's strategy, relevance, business direction and thrust periodically or risk falling into the shadows.
Is it time for KICTAnet to do so?
As one of the founders and a trustee I think that the time has come.
My 2 shillings,
Brian On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 6:21 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com<http://mc/compose?to=jwalu@yahoo.com>> wrote: @Wash,
Maybe Delano is insinuating something. Perhaps KICTAnet needs to re-juvinate and re-energize. Bring in new blood and thinking. What do we want from KICTAnet, 8yrs later? What management structures, membership structures, operational, financial structures do we want to see going forward?
Perhaps a brainstorming face2face session is due. I for one have been the moderator since inception and maybe someone else can do a better job and we just have not asked them to come forth. Think about it - I could have run out of ideas or some younger dot.commer <http://dot.com> may just be sitting on better ways of moderation that I have never imagined...
just my 2pings.
walu.
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Date: Wednesday, April 11, 2012, 3:50 PM
On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 14:59, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke<http://mc/compose?to=harry@comtelsys.co.ke>> wrote: I’m not sure which is which, until I see some response on whether we might just as well happen to be drifting along rudderless…!!
You mean the post-Easter stupor, or??
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There's great benefit in both faceless interactions and face-to-face ones, the latter being important in building a sense of community and the former important in creating a safe environment for people to speak their minds. KICTANET activities must have played a big role in creating a sense of community back in the day, surely there's enough resource on this list to make the space available should a meet-up be desired. 140friday only took a few hours to conceptualize and schedule and many from this list were present. Adding offline participation to the mix could improve online participation. However, like Joe said, there needs to be a point behind an offline meet-up. Without reason, people won't attend offline meet-ups or participate in online ones. I agree with Harry, the policy document being worked on at 140friday is a good reason to start with. Let's get it on the list, debate it and provide our input into the process. I'm sure there are more 'reasons' we can work with. Twende kazi. Kind regards, Muchiri Nyaggah On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 6:13 PM, Joseph Mucheru <mucheru@google.com> wrote:
Hi Brian,
At the risk of starting another debate, the funding you refer to also came from local players such as TESPOK and was primarily focused on a key objective. At the time it was policy development engaging the various networks to ensure we got on the right path.
So we need to ask, what do we need funding for right now? If you this was clear am sure many on the list would contribute. If its only to have a face to face a doubt its that interesting.
My point still remains, on this list sharing real views and debating them influences policy decisions at the highest levels and we should not change that.
I can sponsor a face to face if people will be willing to listen to discussions on digital advertising. That however would not be a KICTANET related activity but Google marketing. I would also shape the agenda and lose our neutrality. This is the danger of accepting money :-) On Apr 12, 2012 1:58 PM, "Brian Munyao Longwe" <blongwe@gmail.com> wrote:
If we go back to early discussions about the multi-stakeholder network known as KICTAnet I recall there being a distinction between the mailing list participants, and those stakeholders who would actively engage in KICTAnet "activities".
My take is that since there have been no "activities" as such - the feeling is that KICTAnet has "kicked" to borrow a phrase from @Harry.
I remember there used to be monthly face-to-face meetings which followed a particular topic or theme of interest and served as an opportunity for participants from the various networks to meet within the context of the "network of networks". At the time there was program funding from donor to cover costs of those meetings, this has presumably, run out. Which leads me to ask, can we mobilise funds locally? At least for these gatherings? As they will give a greater element of traction to the organization while ensuring that it continues to remain relevant within the sector. Especially as the melting pot for policy debate.
Best regards,
Brian
On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 3:41 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
Joe,
Currently listed number is 690 members from diverse backgrounds of Media, Academia, Govt, Regulator, Telcos(fixed, mobile, wireless). But as you noted not everyone is active -80% are often in read-only mode. That is one reason I thought we needed new thinking and new approaches...
walu.
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From: Joseph Mucheru <mucheru@google.com>
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...! To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Thursday, April 12, 2012, 2:53 PM
I am certainly above 35 and enjoy not only records but also the latest collaboration technologies "Google Hangouts<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QN38vHZjWXw>" I agree that we need to review our aim and strategies but we need to have a representative forum that allows for that to take place. @Brian you know many participant on this list are in read only mode.
@Walu/@Washington - can you give us an idea of the number of people actively subscribed to the list? Not the names but the number. This will be a good place to start. Dealing with facts and not guess work.
Thanks
Joe
On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 2:31 PM, Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau < solo.mburu@gmail.com <http://mc/compose?to=solo.mburu@gmail.com>> wrote:
On 12 April 2012 14:26, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk<http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:
Harry,
We are ageing, email is loosing is lustre and the new generation hate records and prefer platforms like twitter and facebook.
The responsibility for keeping the forum active remains with those over 35 year old who unfortunately are trying to fit in with the younger crowd.
uuummmmm is there a way out of this loop.^C
I'm below 35, but enjoy keeping records, in addition to facebook and twitter
Regards
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*To:* robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk<http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> *Cc:* 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/compose?to=kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>>
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Ara..!
Not many people seriously want to rejuvenate this forum, as per Brian/Walubengo’s suggestion…?
Cannot imagine the forum becoming a good case study one day for some thesis student. Whose research titles among others:- · “How-to-kill a good forum, kick it into the dustbin and leave it for the dead” · “The rise and rise, and fall and fall of a myriad of many ICT forums in Kenya, the major one being…. · “How-not-to build structural resilience and offer strategic leadership”. Why the big forum went M.I.A, and petered out.. · And the final one perhaps, “ Do not repeat the mistakes listed above, time for a RESET..”!
Certainly, unless otherwise – we might be headed for such a case study. Not sure if I should patent the titles, just in case..!
Harry
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I think Walu is on the right track. Every organisation for-profit or not, has to reassess it's strategy, relevance, business direction and thrust periodically or risk falling into the shadows.
Is it time for KICTAnet to do so?
As one of the founders and a trustee I think that the time has come.
My 2 shillings,
Brian On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 6:21 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com<http://mc/compose?to=jwalu@yahoo.com>> wrote: @Wash,
Maybe Delano is insinuating something. Perhaps KICTAnet needs to re-juvinate and re-energize. Bring in new blood and thinking. What do we want from KICTAnet, 8yrs later? What management structures, membership structures, operational, financial structures do we want to see going forward?
Perhaps a brainstorming face2face session is due. I for one have been the moderator since inception and maybe someone else can do a better job and we just have not asked them to come forth. Think about it - I could have run out of ideas or some younger dot.commer <http://dot.com> may just be sitting on better ways of moderation that I have never imagined...
just my 2pings.
walu.
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Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...! To: jwalu@yahoo.com <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu@yahoo.com> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/compose?to=kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>
Date: Wednesday, April 11, 2012, 3:50 PM
On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 14:59, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke<http://mc/compose?to=harry@comtelsys.co.ke>> wrote: I’m not sure which is which, until I see some response on whether we might just as well happen to be drifting along rudderless…!!
You mean the post-Easter stupor, or??
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folks, I like the discussion. I think as Mark said, history has been on this list and we are perhaps writing the history for KICTAnet 2.0. Keep the ideas flowing. walu. nb: @ Yawe: Membership pegged on at least one contribution per year ;-) Interesting. Even if you are a "read-only" member, you may need to maintain your subscription by way of contribution... --- On Thu, 4/12/12, Muchiri Nyaggah <muchiri@semacraft.com> wrote: From: Muchiri Nyaggah <muchiri@semacraft.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...! To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Thursday, April 12, 2012, 6:52 PM There's great benefit in both faceless interactions and face-to-face ones, the latter being important in building a sense of community and the former important in creating a safe environment for people to speak their minds. KICTANET activities must have played a big role in creating a sense of community back in the day, surely there's enough resource on this list to make the space available should a meet-up be desired. 140friday only took a few hours to conceptualize and schedule and many from this list were present. Adding offline participation to the mix could improve online participation. However, like Joe said, there needs to be a point behind an offline meet-up. Without reason, people won't attend offline meet-ups or participate in online ones. I agree with Harry, the policy document being worked on at 140friday is a good reason to start with. Let's get it on the list, debate it and provide our input into the process. I'm sure there are more 'reasons' we can work with. Twende kazi. Kind regards, Muchiri Nyaggah On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 6:13 PM, Joseph Mucheru <mucheru@google.com> wrote: Hi Brian, At the risk of starting another debate, the funding you refer to also came from local players such as TESPOK and was primarily focused on a key objective. At the time it was policy development engaging the various networks to ensure we got on the right path. So we need to ask, what do we need funding for right now? If you this was clear am sure many on the list would contribute. If its only to have a face to face a doubt its that interesting. My point still remains, on this list sharing real views and debating them influences policy decisions at the highest levels and we should not change that. I can sponsor a face to face if people will be willing to listen to discussions on digital advertising. That however would not be a KICTANET related activity but Google marketing. I would also shape the agenda and lose our neutrality. This is the danger of accepting money :-) On Apr 12, 2012 1:58 PM, "Brian Munyao Longwe" <blongwe@gmail.com> wrote: If we go back to early discussions about the multi-stakeholder network known as KICTAnet I recall there being a distinction between the mailing list participants, and those stakeholders who would actively engage in KICTAnet "activities". My take is that since there have been no "activities" as such - the feeling is that KICTAnet has "kicked" to borrow a phrase from @Harry. I remember there used to be monthly face-to-face meetings which followed a particular topic or theme of interest and served as an opportunity for participants from the various networks to meet within the context of the "network of networks". At the time there was program funding from donor to cover costs of those meetings, this has presumably, run out. Which leads me to ask, can we mobilise funds locally? At least for these gatherings? As they will give a greater element of traction to the organization while ensuring that it continues to remain relevant within the sector. Especially as the melting pot for policy debate. Best regards, Brian On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 3:41 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote: Joe, Currently listed number is 690 members from diverse backgrounds of Media, Academia, Govt, Regulator, Telcos(fixed, mobile, wireless). But as you noted not everyone is active -80% are often in read-only mode. That is one reason I thought we needed new thinking and new approaches... walu. --- On Thu, 4/12/12, Joseph Mucheru <mucheru@google.com> wrote: From: Joseph Mucheru <mucheru@google.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...! To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Thursday, April 12, 2012, 2:53 PM I am certainly above 35 and enjoy not only records but also the latest collaboration technologies "Google Hangouts" I agree that we need to review our aim and strategies but we need to have a representative forum that allows for that to take place. @Brian you know many participant on this list are in read only mode. @Walu/@Washington - can you give us an idea of the number of people actively subscribed to the list? Not the names but the number. This will be a good place to start. Dealing with facts and not guess work. Thanks Joe On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 2:31 PM, Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com> wrote: On 12 April 2012 14:26, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: Harry, We are ageing, email is loosing is lustre and the new generation hate records and prefer platforms like twitter and facebook. The responsibility for keeping the forum active remains with those over 35 year old who unfortunately are trying to fit in with the younger crowd. uuummmmm is there a way out of this loop.^C I'm below 35, but enjoy keeping records, in addition to facebook and twitter Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 From: Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Thursday, 12 April 2012, 13:55 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...! Ara..! Not many people seriously want to rejuvenate this forum, as per Brian/Walubengo’s suggestion…? Cannot imagine the forum becoming a good case study one day for some thesis student. Whose research titles among others:- · “How-to-kill a good forum, kick it into the dustbin and leave it for the dead” · “The rise and rise, and fall and fall of a myriad of many ICT forums in Kenya, the major one being…. · “How-not-to build structural resilience and offer strategic leadership”. Why the big forum went M.I.A, and petered out.. · And the final one perhaps, “ Do not repeat the mistakes listed above, time for a RESET..”! Certainly, unless otherwise – we might be headed for such a case study. Not sure if I should patent the titles, just in case..! Harry From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Brian Munyao Longwe Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 12:50 AM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...! I think Walu is on the right track. Every organisation for-profit or not, has to reassess it's strategy, relevance, business direction and thrust periodically or risk falling into the shadows. Is it time for KICTAnet to do so? As one of the founders and a trustee I think that the time has come. My 2 shillings, BrianOn Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 6:21 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote: @Wash, Maybe Delano is insinuating something. Perhaps KICTAnet needs to re-juvinate and re-energize. Bring in new blood and thinking. What do we want from KICTAnet, 8yrs later? What management structures, membership structures, operational, financial structures do we want to see going forward? Perhaps a brainstorming face2face session is due. I for one have been the moderator since inception and maybe someone else can do a better job and we just have not asked them to come forth. Think about it - I could have run out of ideas or some younger dot.commer may just be sitting on better ways of moderation that I have never imagined... just my 2pings. walu. --- On Wed, 4/11/12, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote: From: Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...! To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Wednesday, April 11, 2012, 3:50 PM On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 14:59, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> wrote: I’m not sure which is which, until I see some response on whether we might just as well happen to be drifting along rudderless…!! You mean the post-Easter stupor, or?? -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler. 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KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. -- Brian Munyao Longwee-mail: blongwe@gmail.com cell: +254715964281 blog : http://zinjlog.blogspot.com meta-blog: http://mashilingi.blogspot.com "Give us clear vision that we may know where to stand and what to stand for, because unless we stand for something, we shall fall for anything." _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/robertyawe%40yahoo.co.u... The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. 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I suppose there now goes a real befitting title, Walu. Especially now with all the positive feedback coming in … I believe Barack, this would be good enough..? So as suggested let’s keep at it till we get the right mix to drive us forward.. Our dear sisters, you also invited to contribute.. Harry From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Walubengo J Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 8:19 PM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into "KICTAnet 2.0" folks, I like the discussion. I think as Mark said, history has been on this list and we are perhaps writing the history for KICTAnet 2.0. Keep the ideas flowing. walu. nb: @ Yawe: Membership pegged on at least one contribution per year ;-) Interesting. Even if you are a "read-only" member, you may need to maintain your subscription by way of contribution... --- On Thu, 4/12/12, Muchiri Nyaggah <muchiri@semacraft.com> wrote: From: Muchiri Nyaggah <muchiri@semacraft.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...! To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Thursday, April 12, 2012, 6:52 PM There's great benefit in both faceless interactions and face-to-face ones, the latter being important in building a sense of community and the former important in creating a safe environment for people to speak their minds. KICTANET activities must have played a big role in creating a sense of community back in the day, surely there's enough resource on this list to make the space available should a meet-up be desired. 140friday only took a few hours to conceptualize and schedule and many from this list were present. Adding offline participation to the mix could improve online participation. However, like Joe said, there needs to be a point behind an offline meet-up. Without reason, people won't attend offline meet-ups or participate in online ones. I agree with Harry, the policy document being worked on at 140friday is a good reason to start with. Let's get it on the list, debate it and provide our input into the process. I'm sure there are more 'reasons' we can work with. Twende kazi. Kind regards, Muchiri Nyaggah On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 6:13 PM, Joseph Mucheru <mucheru@google.com> wrote: Hi Brian, At the risk of starting another debate, the funding you refer to also came from local players such as TESPOK and was primarily focused on a key objective. At the time it was policy development engaging the various networks to ensure we got on the right path. So we need to ask, what do we need funding for right now? If you this was clear am sure many on the list would contribute. If its only to have a face to face a doubt its that interesting. My point still remains, on this list sharing real views and debating them influences policy decisions at the highest levels and we should not change that. I can sponsor a face to face if people will be willing to listen to discussions on digital advertising. That however would not be a KICTANET related activity but Google marketing. I would also shape the agenda and lose our neutrality. This is the danger of accepting money :-) On Apr 12, 2012 1:58 PM, "Brian Munyao Longwe" <blongwe@gmail.com> wrote: If we go back to early discussions about the multi-stakeholder network known as KICTAnet I recall there being a distinction between the mailing list participants, and those stakeholders who would actively engage in KICTAnet "activities". My take is that since there have been no "activities" as such - the feeling is that KICTAnet has "kicked" to borrow a phrase from @Harry. I remember there used to be monthly face-to-face meetings which followed a particular topic or theme of interest and served as an opportunity for participants from the various networks to meet within the context of the "network of networks". At the time there was program funding from donor to cover costs of those meetings, this has presumably, run out. Which leads me to ask, can we mobilise funds locally? At least for these gatherings? As they will give a greater element of traction to the organization while ensuring that it continues to remain relevant within the sector. Especially as the melting pot for policy debate. Best regards, Brian On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 3:41 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote: Joe, Currently listed number is 690 members from diverse backgrounds of Media, Academia, Govt, Regulator, Telcos(fixed, mobile, wireless). But as you noted not everyone is active -80% are often in read-only mode. That is one reason I thought we needed new thinking and new approaches... walu. --- On Thu, 4/12/12, Joseph Mucheru <mucheru@google.com> wrote: From: Joseph Mucheru <mucheru@google.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...! To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Thursday, April 12, 2012, 2:53 PM I am certainly above 35 and enjoy not only records but also the latest collaboration technologies "Google Hangouts <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QN38vHZjWXw> " I agree that we need to review our aim and strategies but we need to have a representative forum that allows for that to take place. @Brian you know many participant on this list are in read only mode. @Walu/@Washington - can you give us an idea of the number of people actively subscribed to the list? Not the names but the number. This will be a good place to start. Dealing with facts and not guess work. Thanks Joe On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 2:31 PM, Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com <http://mc/compose?to=solo.mburu@gmail.com> > wrote: On 12 April 2012 14:26, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk <http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> > wrote: Harry, We are ageing, email is loosing is lustre and the new generation hate records and prefer platforms like twitter and facebook. The responsibility for keeping the forum active remains with those over 35 year old who unfortunately are trying to fit in with the younger crowd. uuummmmm is there a way out of this loop.^C I'm below 35, but enjoy keeping records, in addition to facebook and twitter Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 _____ From: Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke <http://mc/compose?to=harry@comtelsys.co.ke> > To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk <http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> > Sent: Thursday, 12 April 2012, 13:55 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...! Ara..! Not many people seriously want to rejuvenate this forum, as per Brian/Walubengo’s suggestion…? Cannot imagine the forum becoming a good case study one day for some thesis student. Whose research titles among others:- · “How-to-kill a good forum, kick it into the dustbin and leave it for the dead” · “The rise and rise, and fall and fall of a myriad of many ICT forums in Kenya, the major one being…. · “How-not-to build structural resilience and offer strategic leadership”. Why the big forum went M.I.A, and petered out.. · And the final one perhaps, “ Do not repeat the mistakes listed above, time for a RESET..”! Certainly, unless otherwise – we might be headed for such a case study. Not sure if I should patent the titles, just in case..! Harry From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke> [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet-bounces%2Bharry> =comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke> ] On Behalf Of Brian Munyao Longwe Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 12:50 AM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke <http://mc/compose?to=harry@comtelsys.co.ke> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...! I think Walu is on the right track. Every organisation for-profit or not, has to reassess it's strategy, relevance, business direction and thrust periodically or risk falling into the shadows. Is it time for KICTAnet to do so? As one of the founders and a trustee I think that the time has come. My 2 shillings, Brian On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 6:21 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu@yahoo.com> > wrote: @Wash, Maybe Delano is insinuating something. Perhaps KICTAnet needs to re-juvinate and re-energize. Bring in new blood and thinking. What do we want from KICTAnet, 8yrs later? What management structures, membership structures, operational, financial structures do we want to see going forward? Perhaps a brainstorming face2face session is due. I for one have been the moderator since inception and maybe someone else can do a better job and we just have not asked them to come forth. Think about it - I could have run out of ideas or some younger dot.commer <http://dot.com> may just be sitting on better ways of moderation that I have never imagined... just my 2pings. walu. --- On Wed, 4/11/12, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com <http://mc/compose?to=odhiambo@gmail.com> > wrote: From: Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com <http://mc/compose?to=odhiambo@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...! To: jwalu@yahoo.com <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu@yahoo.com> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> > Date: Wednesday, April 11, 2012, 3:50 PM On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 14:59, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke <http://mc/compose?to=harry@comtelsys.co.ke> > wrote: I’m not sure which is which, until I see some response on whether we might just as well happen to be drifting along rudderless…!! You mean the post-Easter stupor, or?? -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler. Please consider the environment before printing this email. -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/jwalu%40yahoo.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. 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Hey Bob, Almost also felt so. In fact I suggest we asap get a kicktanet handle on twitter, plus get it on facebook like yesterday. Most folks you can now find them here.. I suppose you/Walu are right on this aspect, - that the new kids on the block might find how we conduct things here, a bit old school to an extent.. I suppose if am any right, Kicktanet is supposed to be engagement, engagement and more engagement.. Other ideas..? Sisters, mlihama…? Harry From: robert yawe [mailto:robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 2:26 PM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...! Harry, We are ageing, email is loosing is lustre and the new generation hate records and prefer platforms like twitter and facebook. The responsibility for keeping the forum active remains with those over 35 year old who unfortunately are trying to fit in with the younger crowd. uuummmmm is there a way out of this loop.^C Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 _____ From: Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Thursday, 12 April 2012, 13:55 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...! Ara..! Not many people seriously want to rejuvenate this forum, as per Brian/Walubengo’s suggestion…? Cannot imagine the forum becoming a good case study one day for some thesis student. Whose research titles among others:- · “How-to-kill a good forum, kick it into the dustbin and leave it for the dead” · “The rise and rise, and fall and fall of a myriad of many ICT forums in Kenya, the major one being…. · “How-not-to build structural resilience and offer strategic leadership”. Why the big forum went M.I.A, and petered out.. · And the final one perhaps, “ Do not repeat the mistakes listed above, time for a RESET..”! Certainly, unless otherwise – we might be headed for such a case study. Not sure if I should patent the titles, just in case..! Harry From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Brian Munyao Longwe Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 12:50 AM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...! I think Walu is on the right track. Every organisation for-profit or not, has to reassess it's strategy, relevance, business direction and thrust periodically or risk falling into the shadows. Is it time for KICTAnet to do so? As one of the founders and a trustee I think that the time has come. My 2 shillings, Brian On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 6:21 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote: @Wash, Maybe Delano is insinuating something. Perhaps KICTAnet needs to re-juvinate and re-energize. Bring in new blood and thinking. What do we want from KICTAnet, 8yrs later? What management structures, membership structures, operational, financial structures do we want to see going forward? Perhaps a brainstorming face2face session is due. I for one have been the moderator since inception and maybe someone else can do a better job and we just have not asked them to come forth. Think about it - I could have run out of ideas or some younger dot.commer <http://dot.com> may just be sitting on better ways of moderation that I have never imagined... just my 2pings. walu. --- On Wed, 4/11/12, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote: From: Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...! To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Wednesday, April 11, 2012, 3:50 PM On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 14:59, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke <http://mc/compose?to=harry@comtelsys.co.ke> > wrote: I’m not sure which is which, until I see some response on whether we might just as well happen to be drifting along rudderless…!! You mean the post-Easter stupor, or?? -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler. Please consider the environment before printing this email. -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/jwalu%40yahoo.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/blongwe%40gmail.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. -- Brian Munyao Longwe e-mail: blongwe@gmail.com cell: +254715964281 blog : http://zinjlog.blogspot.com meta-blog: http://mashilingi.blogspot.com "Give us clear vision that we may know where to stand and what to stand for, because unless we stand for something, we shall fall for anything." _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/robertyawe%40yahoo.co.u... The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
@Harry, The progress since your last question is rather good. I think the twitter handle and a facebook group page would add but the process of moving from e-mai. Is a blog also possible, that means we can keep a history of the discussions per title. E-mail isn't all great on that aspect. Anyone strong on this can be seconded or volunteer to take it up. On my other point of a body, I still think there is a place for a formal body that is charged with governance and represents the industry including mobilizing resources. We don't need donors to hold a coffee round table as evidenced by Friday #140. Connected Kenya is a clear indication of the disharmony the players. Alternatively the bodies could be set up through KICTANet to address different challenges - am careful to use the term task forces. My one cent. Regards, Patrick M. Karanja ________________________________ From: Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> To: mutuota@yahoo.com Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 10:23 AM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...! Hey Bob, Almost also felt so. In fact I suggest we asap get a kicktanet handle on twitter, plus get it on facebook like yesterday. Most folks you can now find them here.. I suppose you/Walu are right on this aspect, - that the new kids on the block might find how we conduct things here, a bit old school to an extent.. I suppose if am any right, Kicktanet is supposed to be engagement, engagement and more engagement.. Other ideas..? Sisters, mlihama…? Harry From:robert yawe [mailto:robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 2:26 PM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...! Harry, We are ageing, email is loosing is lustre and the new generation hate records and prefer platforms like twitter and facebook. The responsibility for keeping the forum active remains with those over 35 year old who unfortunately are trying to fit in with the younger crowd. uuummmmm is there a way out of this loop.^C Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From:Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Thursday, 12 April 2012, 13:55 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...! Ara..! Not many people seriously want to rejuvenate this forum, as per Brian/Walubengo’s suggestion…? Cannot imagine the forum becoming a good case study one day for some thesis student. Whose research titles among others:- · “How-to-kill a good forum, kick it into the dustbin and leave it for the dead” · “The rise and rise, and fall and fall of a myriad of many ICT forums in Kenya, the major one being…. · “How-not-to build structural resilience and offer strategic leadership”. Why the big forum went M.I.A, and petered out.. · And the final one perhaps, “ Do not repeat the mistakes listed above, time for a RESET..”! Certainly, unless otherwise – we might be headed for such a case study. Not sure if I should patent the titles, just in case..! Harry From:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Brian Munyao Longwe Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 12:50 AM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...! I think Walu is on the right track. Every organisation for-profit or not, has to reassess it's strategy, relevance, business direction and thrust periodically or risk falling into the shadows. Is it time for KICTAnet to do so? As one of the founders and a trustee I think that the time has come. My 2 shillings, Brian On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 6:21 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote: @Wash, Maybe Delano is insinuating something. Perhaps KICTAnet needs to re-juvinate and re-energize. Bring in new blood and thinking. What do we want from KICTAnet, 8yrs later? What management structures, membership structures, operational, financial structures do we want to see going forward? Perhaps a brainstorming face2face session is due. I for one have been the moderator since inception and maybe someone else can do a better job and we just have not asked them to come forth. Think about it - I could have run out of ideas or some younger dot.commer may just be sitting on better ways of moderation that I have never imagined... just my 2pings. walu. --- On Wed, 4/11/12, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote: From: Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...! To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Wednesday, April 11, 2012, 3:50 PM On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 14:59, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> wrote: I’m not sure which is which, until I see some response on whether we might just as well happen to be drifting along rudderless…!! You mean the post-Easter stupor, or?? -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler. Please consider the environment before printing this email. -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/jwalu%40yahoo.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/blongwe%40gmail.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. -- Brian Munyao Longwe e-mail: blongwe@gmail.com cell: +254715964281 blog : http://zinjlog.blogspot.com meta-blog: http://mashilingi.blogspot.com "Give us clear vision that we may know where to stand and what to stand for, because unless we stand for something, we shall fall for anything." _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/robertyawe%40yahoo.co.u... The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/mutuota%40yahoo.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
ListersThis debate is very healthy and will undoubtedly contribute to strengthening of KICTANet. A quick note to say that KICTANet is on twitter, @kictanet. Washington set this up ages ago. You can start following. The kictanet website http://www.kictanet.or.ke has all discussions that take place on a daily basis and allows for comments. Actually the site is structured like a blog. Those are quick comments from a sister :)...Harry are you there? RgdsGG ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you have the strength to survive, you have the power to succeed. Life is all about choices we make depending upon the situation we are in. Go forth and rule the World! From: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 10:23:36 +0300 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...! CC: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke To: ggithaiga@hotmail.com Hey Bob, Almost also felt so. In fact I suggest we asap get a kicktanet handle on twitter, plus get it on facebook likeyesterday. Most folks you can now find them here.. I suppose you/Walu are right on this aspect, - that thenew kids on the block might find how we conduct things here, a bit old school to an extent.. I suppose if am any right, Kicktanet is supposed to be engagement, engagement and more engagement.. Other ideas..? Sisters, mlihama…? Harry From: robert yawe [mailto:robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 2:26 PM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...! Harry, We are ageing, email is loosing is lustre and the new generation hate records and prefer platforms like twitter and facebook. The responsibility for keeping the forum active remains with those over 35 year old who unfortunately are trying to fit in with the younger crowd. uuummmmm is there a way out of this loop.^C Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 KenyaTel: +254722511225 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting +254722511225 end_of_the_skype_highlighting, +254202010696 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting +254202010696 end_of_the_skype_highlightingFrom: Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Thursday, 12 April 2012, 13:55 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...! Ara..! Not many people seriously want to rejuvenate this forum, as per Brian/Walubengo’s suggestion…? Cannot imagine the forum becoming a good case study one day for some thesis student. Whose research titles among others:-· “How-to-kill a good forum, kick it into the dustbin and leave it for the dead” · “The rise and rise, and fall and fall of a myriad of many ICT forums in Kenya, the major one being….· “How-not-to build structural resilience and offer strategic leadership”. Why the big forum went M.I.A, and petered out..· And the final one perhaps, “ Do not repeat the mistakes listed above, time for a RESET..”! Certainly, unless otherwise – we might be headed for such a case study. Not sure if I should patent the titles, just in case..! Harry From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Brian Munyao Longwe Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 12:50 AM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...! I think Walu is on the right track. Every organisation for-profit or not, has to reassess it's strategy, relevance, business direction and thrust periodically or risk falling into the shadows. Is it time for KICTAnet to do so? As one of the founders and a trustee I think that the time has come. My 2 shillings, BrianOn Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 6:21 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:@Wash, Maybe Delano is insinuating something. Perhaps KICTAnet needs to re-juvinate and re-energize. Bring in new blood and thinking. What do we want from KICTAnet, 8yrs later? What management structures, membership structures, operational, financial structures do we want to see going forward? Perhaps a brainstorming face2face session is due. I for one have been the moderator since inception and maybe someone else can do a better job and we just have not asked them to come forth. Think about it - I could have run out of ideas or some younger dot.commer may just be sitting on better ways of moderation that I have never imagined... just my 2pings. walu. --- On Wed, 4/11/12, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote: From: Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...! To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Wednesday, April 11, 2012, 3:50 PM On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 14:59, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> wrote:I’m not sure which is which, until I see some response on whether we might just as well happen to be drifting along rudderless…!! You mean the post-Easter stupor, or?? -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting +254722743223 end_of_the_skype_highlighting _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler. Please consider the environment before printing this email. -----Inline Attachment Follows-----_______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/jwalu%40yahoo.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/blongwe%40gmail.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. -- Brian Munyao Longwee-mail: blongwe@gmail.com cell: +254715964281 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting +254715964281 end_of_the_skype_highlighting blog : http://zinjlog.blogspot.com meta-blog: http://mashilingi.blogspot.com "Give us clear vision that we may know where to stand and what to stand for, because unless we stand for something, we shall fall for anything." _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/robertyawe%40yahoo.co.u... The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/ggithaiga%40hotmail.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
Hello Grace, So glad to get that update, and we hear you loud and clear. For all who might be new, and as Walubengo and the rest who were initially there at the start may attest, Grace has been part and parcel of that core group who oversaw the transformation of Kictanet into such a major player on the ICT landscape in this country and beyond. It is therefore with such concern that we might lose that cause if we do not keep that spirit alive, and keep the forum relevant with the changing times. Most of the forum archives that Walu and Ben have mentioned which form a good repository for study, were from efforts of most of this initial team. Truth be told that just as it is with any other good initiative, support for the vision-bearer is critical to carry on the vision to greater heights. Certainly, it's a good online chat lounge or "hangout", but should never be reduced to just that - There are major developments in the country/global scene right now that have a direct bearing on our line of focus. Ground is shifting beneath us in more ways than one and we must collectively rise up to the occasion, and in fact provide leadership. Regards, Harry From: Grace Githaiga [mailto:ggithaiga@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 11:39 AM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Subject: RE: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...! Listers This debate is very healthy and will undoubtedly contribute to strengthening of KICTANet. A quick note to say that KICTANet is on twitter, @kictanet. Washington set this up ages ago. You can start following. The kictanet website http://www.kictanet.or.ke <http://www.kictanet.or.ke/> has all discussions that take place on a daily basis and allows for comments. Actually the site is structured like a blog. Those are quick comments from a sister :)...Harry are you there? Rgds GG ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- If you have the strength to survive, you have the power to succeed. Life is all about choices we make depending upon the situation we are in. Go forth and rule the World! _____ From: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 10:23:36 +0300 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...! CC: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke To: ggithaiga@hotmail.com Hey Bob, Almost also felt so. In fact I suggest we asap get a kicktanet handle on twitter, plus get it on facebook like yesterday. Most folks you can now find them here.. I suppose you/Walu are right on this aspect, - that the new kids on the block might find how we conduct things here, a bit old school to an extent.. I suppose if am any right, Kicktanet is supposed to be engagement, engagement and more engagement.. Other ideas..? Sisters, mlihama.? Harry From: robert yawe [mailto:robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 2:26 PM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...! Harry, We are ageing, email is loosing is lustre and the new generation hate records and prefer platforms like twitter and facebook. The responsibility for keeping the forum active remains with those over 35 year old who unfortunately are trying to fit in with the younger crowd. uuummmmm is there a way out of this loop.^C Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting +254722511225 end_of_the_skype_highlighting, +254202010696 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting +254202010696 end_of_the_skype_highlighting _____ From: Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Thursday, 12 April 2012, 13:55 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...! Ara..! Not many people seriously want to rejuvenate this forum, as per Brian/Walubengo's suggestion.? Cannot imagine the forum becoming a good case study one day for some thesis student. Whose research titles among others:- . "How-to-kill a good forum, kick it into the dustbin and leave it for the dead" . "The rise and rise, and fall and fall of a myriad of many ICT forums in Kenya, the major one being.. . "How-not-to build structural resilience and offer strategic leadership". Why the big forum went M.I.A, and petered out.. . And the final one perhaps, " Do not repeat the mistakes listed above, time for a RESET.."! Certainly, unless otherwise - we might be headed for such a case study. Not sure if I should patent the titles, just in case..! Harry From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Brian Munyao Longwe Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 12:50 AM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...! I think Walu is on the right track. Every organisation for-profit or not, has to reassess it's strategy, relevance, business direction and thrust periodically or risk falling into the shadows. Is it time for KICTAnet to do so? As one of the founders and a trustee I think that the time has come. My 2 shillings, Brian On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 6:21 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote: @Wash, Maybe Delano is insinuating something. Perhaps KICTAnet needs to re-juvinate and re-energize. Bring in new blood and thinking. What do we want from KICTAnet, 8yrs later? What management structures, membership structures, operational, financial structures do we want to see going forward? Perhaps a brainstorming face2face session is due. I for one have been the moderator since inception and maybe someone else can do a better job and we just have not asked them to come forth. Think about it - I could have run out of ideas or some younger dot.commer <http://dot.com> may just be sitting on better ways of moderation that I have never imagined... just my 2pings. walu. --- On Wed, 4/11/12, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote: From: Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...! To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Wednesday, April 11, 2012, 3:50 PM On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 14:59, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke <http://mc/compose?to=harry%40comtelsys.co.ke> > wrote: I'm not sure which is which, until I see some response on whether we might just as well happen to be drifting along rudderless.!! You mean the post-Easter stupor, or?? -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting +254722743223 end_of_the_skype_highlighting _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler. Please consider the environment before printing this email. -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet%40lists.kictanet.or.ke> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/jwalu%40yahoo.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/blongwe%40gmail.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. -- Brian Munyao Longwe e-mail: blongwe@gmail.com cell: +254715964281 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting +254715964281 end_of_the_skype_highlighting blog : http://zinjlog.blogspot.com meta-blog: http://mashilingi.blogspot.com "Give us clear vision that we may know where to stand and what to stand for, because unless we stand for something, we shall fall for anything." _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/robertyawe%40yahoo.co.u k The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/ggithaiga%40hotmail.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. 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Kicktanet was setup as a lose network of networks that allowed all stakeholders to be able to voice an opinion be they Government, Civil Society, Education or business. I think it would be a mistake to change that. KITOS, KEPSA, KIF, TESPOK etc are all sector specific and it is important we do not lose the neutrality of KICTANET. We can certainly review the mod us operandi but I fear we will lose more if we change who we are. Joe Mucheru On Apr 11, 2012 3:01 PM, "Harry Delano" <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> wrote:
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+1 Joe, we have had a similar argument in the global IGF forum where some feel it should make decisions whereas others feel the status quo should be retained that is a common platform that makes all equal and allows peer to peer discussions, meeting diverse stakeholder expectations is not easy but can be achieved by intentional moves to take stock, feedback as adopted by the UNIGF which to me is a perfect showcase. Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: Joseph Mucheru <mucheru@google.com> Sender: kictanet-bounces+otieno.barrack=gmail.com@lists.kictanet.or.keDate: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 20:57:12 To: <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...! _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/otieno.barrack%40gmail.... The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
participants (25)
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Barrack Otieno -
Ben Akoh -
bitange＠jambo.co.ke -
Brian Munyao Longwe -
Catherine Adeya -
charles nduati -
Collins Areba -
Edwin Onchari -
Etinick Mutinda -
Evans Ikua -
Gilda Odera -
godera＠skyweb.co.ke
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Grace Githaiga -
Harry Delano -
Harry Hare -
John Gitau -
Joseph Mucheru -
Muchiri Nyaggah -
Nancy Macharia -
Odhiambo Washington -
otieno.barrack＠gmail.com
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Patrick Mwangi Karanja -
robert yawe -
Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau -
Walubengo J