Let those who do good persevere in their good doing not as an excuse for others not to do good but as leadership for the common good. Eric here
We share our maps with TKL, the Municipalities, the Chiefs, the MoR, MoW
It takes WILLINGNESS to use the information!
The procedure needs to be changed anyway. How come that another operator might still share with the OLD STATE OWNED ENTITIES but not with someone like KDN?
How come we show our maps to our competitor but they dont show their maps to us?
Private companies still receive a second class treatment!
Kai
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Greetings Eric,
Thanks for your enlightening comments, the biggest challenge is that the kind of Information you are sharing should be availed at all levels in Society, at Chiefs Baraza's, Churches, anywhere where people congregate and can be educated since knowledge is power, looking through the eight sectors i can only say we are too ignorant, in short we must marshal resources and educate the public on the issues you have mentioned, Mulika Mwizi might help but it could be a short term measure, i was once taught that "he who knows why is always at the mercy of he who knows how", if we addressed the way we would not have situations where technicians from competing companies mess each others cables as i got it from Kai's post. Awareness is Key
On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 2:13 PM, Eric Aligula <jairah@kippra.or.ke> wrote:
Just to expand the discourse on the cable issues and place it into some wider perspective. As far back as 1997, the US Government identified eight sectors it deemed critical to the national security and the essential functioning of its economy. These were:
1. Telecommunications 2. Transportation 3. Water supply 4. Oil and gas production 5. Banking and finance 6. Electrical generation 7. Emergency services, and 8. Essential government functions
A President's Commission on Critical Infrastructure Protection ("PCCIP") in October 1997, highlighted the topic of critical infrastructures and made a series of specific recommendations for their protection.
What does this have to do with the issue of cut cables? At the height of the post election violence and in some incidents thereafter, the movement of produce and goods in Kenya became a serious issue. In fact as a consequence, ALL of the neighbouring countries are actively identifying and developing alternative access routes for their products and services. Kenya Vision 2030 is predicated on an export led growth strategy that is and will be heavily dependent not only on networked transport services, but also on the fibre optic cable. The investment in transport and ICT infrastructure are premised on the desire to establish Kenya as the region's preeminent communications hub. The assurance that Kenya can and will consistent, reliable and affordable access to these critical infrastructures is critical to achieving these goals.
It is thus important that players in the ICT Sector team up with other sectors to insist on the development of a national, perhaps East African wide Critical Infrastructure Protection Policy complete with accompanying reviews and enhancements in the legal and institutional frameworks. It is the only consistent way through which we shall be able to ensure security for investments so expensively and patiently built.
A piecemeal approach will work for a short while and we shall be firefighting to eternity. The effort should focus on a comprehensive intervention, while obviously dealing with the issues in the short term.
My two cents worth.
Kind regards
Eric
-----Original Message----- From: kai wulff [mailto:kai.wulff@kdn.co.ke] Sent: Fri 06/11/2009 22:14 To: Eric Aligula Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' Subject: AW: [kictanet] Cable issues
It would help if we could get our day in court. Vandalism is one thing, negligence another. We as Operators spend huge amounts on staff we attach to contractors to make sure they don't destroy our cable plant .. If they do, we never get compensated. Taking them to court takes years and you might only get awarded the cost of the cable plus the labor ..
Frustrated
Kai
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Auftrag von jairah@kippra.or.ke Gesendet: Friday, November 06, 2009 20:40 An: kai.wulff@kdn.co.ke
Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
Betreff: Re: [kictanet] Cable issues
Colleagues
What I would suggest is to have a law to protect critical infrastructure from vagabonds such as those that destroy cables and other infrastructure that we need to sustain the enabling environment for doing business. The penalties this guys receive are a joke and the law needs to target the entire value chain, at least on the Kenyan perhaps East African side.
Kind regards
Eric Aligula Sent from my BlackBerry®
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Hello everyone, Below is a brief description of the first (in Kenya) Bachelor of Science in Computer Science programme; it is currently under review: MOTIVATIONS AND OBJECTIVES The School of Computing & Informatics (formerly Institute of Computer Science) of the University of Nairobi launched the Bachelor of Science (Computer Science) programme in 1992. The programme was aimed at meeting perceived development needs in Kenya, which it has done very well. Indeed, most of the computer science professionals in industry today have been developed through this programme. However, with experience in offering this programme and given changes in national development needs as well as changes in the fast evolving area of IT, it has become necessary to revise this programme. This programme is part of a set of academic programmes (Masters programmes in: 1) Computer Science, 2) Applied Computer Science and 3) Information Systems as well as PhD in Computer Science) at the School that have been motivated by the following needs at the national level: (a) The need for Kenya to harness IT for increased productivity and effectiveness in all sectors of the economy for national prosperity. (b) The need for widespread socio-economic awareness (in Kenya) of the purpose and capabilities of information systems. (c) The need for Kenya to participate effectively in and reap maximum benefits from the global information economy. (d) The need to address the increasing demand for IT education in the world of work. The specific objectives of the Bachelor of Science (Computer Science) programme are: (a) To present the theoretical foundations in computer science and to integrate these theories in a way that gives the learner deep knowledge of computer science (b) To enable learners to use the knowledge gained to analyze, design and implement solutions to a wide range of real-world problems. (c) To develop learners who are practical and problem solving-oriented and capable of life-long learning. (d) To contribute to the production of computer science and information systems professionals required at the various levels of our nation¹s industrial development and thereby be a partner in the industrial development of Kenya. PROGRAMME REVIEW GUIDELINES A number of us in the KICTANET list have a stake in this programme; we are either current/potential employers/parents/guardians of these graduates or we could be current/past students of this programme or even policy makers in relevant sectors. We will appreciate if you could share with us your general views on the following two issues: 1. The kind of Computer Science graduate the market needs; in terms of knowledge and skills 2. The kind of courses you would recommend to be critical for this graduate Sent by Muthoni Masinde (Lecturer, School of Computing and Informatics) in consultation with: Christopher Moturi (Deputy Director, School of Computing and Informatics) Tim Waema (Professor, School of Computing and Informatics) Thank you ----------------------------------------- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ UNIVERSITY OF NAIROBI IS ISO CERTIFIED The University of Nairobi is committed to providing quality services to all its clients. The University will monitor and review its quality performance from time to time through an effective implementation of the Quality Management System based on ISO 9001:2008 standard. University of Nairobi Website: http://www.uonbi.ac.ke/ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Good afternoon Madam, Kindly circulate the current proposal to enable us review and positively contribute to it in line with the two issues you raised. I would also like to share Agosta' s view on stakeholders forum Okoth Washington From: kictanet-bounces+wokoth=kebs.org@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+wokoth=kebs.org@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Muthoni Masinde Sent: 08 November 2009 16:45 To: Okoth Washington Cc: moturi; waema@uonbi.ac.ke; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: [kictanet] The Premier B.Sc. Computer Science Programme in Kenya Hello everyone, Below is a brief description of the first (in Kenya) Bachelor of Science in Computer Science programme; it is currently under review: MOTIVATIONS AND OBJECTIVES The School of Computing & Informatics (formerly Institute of Computer Science) of the University of Nairobi launched the Bachelor of Science (Computer Science) programme in 1992. The programme was aimed at meeting perceived development needs in Kenya, which it has done very well. Indeed, most of the computer science professionals in industry today have been developed through this programme. However, with experience in offering this programme and given changes in national development needs as well as changes in the fast evolving area of IT, it has become necessary to revise this programme. This programme is part of a set of academic programmes (Masters programmes in: 1) Computer Science, 2) Applied Computer Science and 3) Information Systems as well as PhD in Computer Science) at the School that have been motivated by the following needs at the national level: (a) The need for Kenya to harness IT for increased productivity and effectiveness in all sectors of the economy for national prosperity. (b) The need for widespread socio-economic awareness (in Kenya) of the purpose and capabilities of information systems. (c) The need for Kenya to participate effectively in and reap maximum benefits from the global information economy. (d) The need to address the increasing demand for IT education in the world of work. The specific objectives of the Bachelor of Science (Computer Science) programme are: (a) To present the theoretical foundations in computer science and to integrate these theories in a way that gives the learner deep knowledge of computer science (b) To enable learners to use the knowledge gained to analyze, design and implement solutions to a wide range of real-world problems. (c) To develop learners who are practical and problem solving-oriented and capable of life-long learning. (d) To contribute to the production of computer science and information systems professionals required at the various levels of our nation's industrial development and thereby be a partner in the industrial development of Kenya. PROGRAMME REVIEW GUIDELINES A number of us in the KICTANET list have a stake in this programme; we are either current/potential employers/parents/guardians of these graduates or we could be current/past students of this programme or even policy makers in relevant sectors. We will appreciate if you could share with us your general views on the following two issues: 1. The kind of Computer Science graduate the market needs; in terms of knowledge and skills 2. The kind of courses you would recommend to be critical for this graduate Sent by Muthoni Masinde (Lecturer, School of Computing and Informatics) in consultation with: Christopher Moturi (Deputy Director, School of Computing and Informatics) Tim Waema (Professor, School of Computing and Informatics) Thank you ----------------------------------------- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner <http://www.mailscanner.info/> , and is believed t o be clean. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ UNIVERSITY OF NAIROBI IS ISO CERTIFIED The University of Nairobi is committed to providing quality services to all its clients. The University will monitor and review its quality performance from time to time through an effective implementation of the Quality Management System based on ISO 9001:2008 standard. University of Nairobi Website: http://www.uonbi.ac.ke/ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ---------------------------------------------- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by Jambo MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --------------------------------------------- "easy access to the world"
Washington, Like Tim Waema has mentioned, we do not have a new curriculum but are currently developing one. What I sent out in my previous email is the current one that we would like to modify and incorporate your (the stakeholders) input. Regards, Muthoni On 11/9/09 12:31 PM, "Okoth Washington" <wokoth@kebs.org> wrote:
Good afternoon Madam,
Kindly circulate the current proposal to enable us review and positively contribute to it in line with the two issues you raised.
I would also like to share Agosta¹ s view on stakeholders forum
Okoth Washington
From: kictanet-bounces+wokoth=kebs.org@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+wokoth=kebs.org@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Muthoni Masinde Sent: 08 November 2009 16:45 To: Okoth Washington Cc: moturi; waema@uonbi.ac.ke; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: [kictanet] The Premier B.Sc. Computer Science Programme in Kenya
Hello everyone,
Below is a brief description of the first (in Kenya) Bachelor of Science in Computer Science programme; it is currently under review:
MOTIVATIONS AND OBJECTIVES
The School of Computing & Informatics (formerly Institute of Computer Science) of the University of Nairobi launched the Bachelor of Science (Computer Science) programme in 1992. The programme was aimed at meeting perceived development needs in Kenya, which it has done very well. Indeed, most of the computer science professionals in industry today have been developed through this programme. However, with experience in offering this programme and given changes in national development needs as well as changes in the fast evolving area of IT, it has become necessary to revise this programme.
This programme is part of a set of academic programmes (Masters programmes in: 1) Computer Science, 2) Applied Computer Science and 3) Information Systems as well as PhD in Computer Science) at the School that have been motivated by the following needs at the national level:
(a) The need for Kenya to harness IT for increased productivity and effectiveness in all sectors of the economy for national prosperity. (b) The need for widespread socio-economic awareness (in Kenya) of the purpose and capabilities of information systems. (c) The need for Kenya to participate effectively in and reap maximum benefits from the global information economy. (d) The need to address the increasing demand for IT education in the world of work.
The specific objectives of the Bachelor of Science (Computer Science) programme are: (a) To present the theoretical foundations in computer science and to integrate these theories in a way that gives the learner deep knowledge of computer science (b) To enable learners to use the knowledge gained to analyze, design and implement solutions to a wide range of real-world problems. (c) To develop learners who are practical and problem solving-oriented and capable of life-long learning. (d) To contribute to the production of computer science and information systems professionals required at the various levels of our nation¹s industrial development and thereby be a partner in the industrial development of Kenya.
PROGRAMME REVIEW GUIDELINES A number of us in the KICTANET list have a stake in this programme; we are either current/potential employers/parents/guardians of these graduates or we could be current/past students of this programme or even policy makers in relevant sectors. We will appreciate if you could share with us your general views on the following two issues:
1. The kind of Computer Science graduate the market needs; in terms of knowledge and skills 2. The kind of courses you would recommend to be critical for this graduate
Sent by Muthoni Masinde (Lecturer, School of Computing and Informatics) in consultation with: Christopher Moturi (Deputy Director, School of Computing and Informatics) Tim Waema (Professor, School of Computing and Informatics)
Thank you
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Muthoni, I would like to thank the UoN team for this brilliant initiative. I feel some aroma of good leadership. I know for sure, that universities are not mandated to inject junks into the markets. It is for this reason that, I am motivated to provide my input below. * Consider embedding an industrial attachment(s) within the program to allow students interact with the industries before graduating. in my opinion, this might be a good opportunity, if used well, to have the student market themselves (and UoN). * Consider introducing other specializations/programs like Software Engineering, Information Management (Refer to Computer Science Body of Knowledge). * UoN to take leadership and develop an organization/society responsible for developing a common body of knowledge for all IT/IS/CS programs.Is it possible to use this one, instead of a branded one? * Research Project: Have the project include at least an academic and an external supervisor (from the industry). * Liaise with some a number of companies that can provide opportunities to deal with a certain specific problem in the industry. UoN might partner with these companies in commercializing the idea, if involved from the beginning. * I think the social and professional issues are not covered well by the current bouquet of courses. It is good to see a university not only responsible for quantity of the graduates but also in their quality. How else does it become competitive? Former student. On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 2:08 PM, Muthoni Masinde <muthoni@uonbi.ac.ke> wrote:
Washington, Like Tim Waema has mentioned, we do not have a new curriculum but are currently developing one. What I sent out in my previous email is the current one that we would like to modify and incorporate your (the stakeholders) input.
Regards, Muthoni
On 11/9/09 12:31 PM, "Okoth Washington" <wokoth@kebs.org> wrote:
Good afternoon Madam,
Kindly circulate the current proposal to enable us review and positively contribute to it in line with the two issues you raised.
I would also like to share Agosta’ s view on stakeholders forum
Okoth Washington
*From:* kictanet-bounces+wokoth=kebs.org@lists.kictanet.or.ke [ mailto:kictanet-bounces+wokoth=kebs.org@lists.kictanet.or.ke]<kictanet-bounces+wokoth=kebs.org@lists.kictanet.or.ke]> *On Behalf Of *Muthoni Masinde *Sent:* 08 November 2009 16:45 *To:* Okoth Washington *Cc:* moturi; waema@uonbi.ac.ke; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions *Subject:* [kictanet] The Premier B.Sc. Computer Science Programme in Kenya
Hello everyone,
Below is a brief description of the first (in Kenya) Bachelor of Science in Computer Science programme; it is currently under review: *
MOTIVATIONS AND OBJECTIVES * The School of Computing & Informatics (formerly Institute of Computer Science) of the University of Nairobi launched the Bachelor of Science (Computer Science) programme in 1992. The programme was aimed at meeting perceived development needs in Kenya, which it has done very well. Indeed, most of the computer science professionals in industry today have been developed through this programme. However, with experience in offering this programme and given changes in national development needs as well as changes in the fast evolving area of IT, it has become necessary to revise this programme.
This programme is part of a set of academic programmes (Masters programmes in: 1) Computer Science, 2) Applied Computer Science and 3) Information Systems as well as PhD in Computer Science) at the School that have been * motivated* by the following needs at the national level:
(a) The need for Kenya to harness IT for increased productivity and effectiveness in all sectors of the economy for national prosperity. (b) The need for widespread socio-economic awareness (in Kenya) of the purpose and capabilities of information systems. (c) The need for Kenya to participate effectively in and reap maximum benefits from the global information economy. (d) The need to address the increasing demand for IT education in the world of work.
The specific *objectives* of the Bachelor of Science (Computer Science) programme are: (a) To present the theoretical foundations in computer science and to integrate these theories in a way that gives the learner deep knowledge of computer science (b) To enable learners to use the knowledge gained to analyze, design and implement solutions to a wide range of real-world problems. (c) To develop learners who are practical and problem solving-oriented and capable of life-long learning. (d) To contribute to the production of computer science and information systems professionals required at the various levels of our nation’s industrial development and thereby be a partner in the industrial development of Kenya.
*PROGRAMME REVIEW GUIDELINES *A number of us in the KICTANET list have a stake in this programme; we are either current/potential employers/parents/guardians of these graduates or we could be current/past students of this programme or even policy makers in relevant sectors. We will appreciate if you could share with us your general views on the following two issues:
1. The kind of Computer Science graduate the market needs; in terms of knowledge and skills 2. The kind of courses you would recommend to be critical for this graduate
Sent by Muthoni Masinde (Lecturer, School of Computing and Informatics) in consultation with: Christopher Moturi (Deputy Director, School of Computing and Informatics) Tim Waema (Professor, School of Computing and Informatics)
Thank you
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Hi Muthoni, Congratulations, for me the greatest thing you have done is to invite stakeholders to contribute to this brilliant initiative. With regard to the issue of internships it would be good to get commitment from KAM and KEPSA as well as their input Thanks On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 5:19 PM, Tuma Barua <tumabarua@gmail.com> wrote:
Muthoni,
I would like to thank the UoN team for this brilliant initiative. I feel some aroma of good leadership. I know for sure, that universities are not mandated to inject junks into the markets. It is for this reason that, I am motivated to provide my input below.
* Consider embedding an industrial attachment(s) within the program to allow students interact with the industries before graduating. in my opinion, this might be a good opportunity, if used well, to have the student market themselves (and UoN). * Consider introducing other specializations/programs like Software Engineering, Information Management (Refer to Computer Science Body of Knowledge). * UoN to take leadership and develop an organization/society responsible for developing a common body of knowledge for all IT/IS/CS programs.Is it possible to use this one, instead of a branded one? * Research Project: Have the project include at least an academic and an external supervisor (from the industry). * Liaise with some a number of companies that can provide opportunities to deal with a certain specific problem in the industry. UoN might partner with these companies in commercializing the idea, if involved from the beginning. * I think the social and professional issues are not covered well by the current bouquet of courses.
It is good to see a university not only responsible for quantity of the graduates but also in their quality. How else does it become competitive?
Former student.
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 2:08 PM, Muthoni Masinde <muthoni@uonbi.ac.ke>wrote:
Washington, Like Tim Waema has mentioned, we do not have a new curriculum but are currently developing one. What I sent out in my previous email is the current one that we would like to modify and incorporate your (the stakeholders) input.
Regards, Muthoni
On 11/9/09 12:31 PM, "Okoth Washington" <wokoth@kebs.org> wrote:
Good afternoon Madam,
Kindly circulate the current proposal to enable us review and positively contribute to it in line with the two issues you raised.
I would also like to share Agosta’ s view on stakeholders forum
Okoth Washington
*From:* kictanet-bounces+wokoth=kebs.org@lists.kictanet.or.ke [ mailto:kictanet-bounces+wokoth=kebs.org@lists.kictanet.or.ke]<kictanet-bounces+wokoth=kebs.org@lists.kictanet.or.ke%5D> *On Behalf Of *Muthoni Masinde *Sent:* 08 November 2009 16:45 *To:* Okoth Washington *Cc:* moturi; waema@uonbi.ac.ke; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions *Subject:* [kictanet] The Premier B.Sc. Computer Science Programme in Kenya
Hello everyone,
Below is a brief description of the first (in Kenya) Bachelor of Science in Computer Science programme; it is currently under review: *
MOTIVATIONS AND OBJECTIVES * The School of Computing & Informatics (formerly Institute of Computer Science) of the University of Nairobi launched the Bachelor of Science (Computer Science) programme in 1992. The programme was aimed at meeting perceived development needs in Kenya, which it has done very well. Indeed, most of the computer science professionals in industry today have been developed through this programme. However, with experience in offering this programme and given changes in national development needs as well as changes in the fast evolving area of IT, it has become necessary to revise this programme.
This programme is part of a set of academic programmes (Masters programmes in: 1) Computer Science, 2) Applied Computer Science and 3) Information Systems as well as PhD in Computer Science) at the School that have been *motivated* by the following needs at the national level:
(a) The need for Kenya to harness IT for increased productivity and effectiveness in all sectors of the economy for national prosperity. (b) The need for widespread socio-economic awareness (in Kenya) of the purpose and capabilities of information systems. (c) The need for Kenya to participate effectively in and reap maximum benefits from the global information economy. (d) The need to address the increasing demand for IT education in the world of work.
The specific *objectives* of the Bachelor of Science (Computer Science) programme are: (a) To present the theoretical foundations in computer science and to integrate these theories in a way that gives the learner deep knowledge of computer science (b) To enable learners to use the knowledge gained to analyze, design and implement solutions to a wide range of real-world problems. (c) To develop learners who are practical and problem solving-oriented and capable of life-long learning. (d) To contribute to the production of computer science and information systems professionals required at the various levels of our nation’s industrial development and thereby be a partner in the industrial development of Kenya.
*PROGRAMME REVIEW GUIDELINES *A number of us in the KICTANET list have a stake in this programme; we are either current/potential employers/parents/guardians of these graduates or we could be current/past students of this programme or even policy makers in relevant sectors. We will appreciate if you could share with us your general views on the following two issues:
1. The kind of Computer Science graduate the market needs; in terms of knowledge and skills 2. The kind of courses you would recommend to be critical for this graduate
Sent by Muthoni Masinde (Lecturer, School of Computing and Informatics) in consultation with: Christopher Moturi (Deputy Director, School of Computing and Informatics) Tim Waema (Professor, School of Computing and Informatics)
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Barrack, Thank you for the input and the suggestion on contacting KAM and KEPSA. Best regards, Muthoni On 11/9/09 5:39 PM, "Barrack Otieno" <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Muthoni, Congratulations, for me the greatest thing you have done is to invite stakeholders to contribute to this brilliant initiative. With regard to the issue of internships it would be good to get commitment from KAM and KEPSA as well as their input Thanks
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 5:19 PM, Tuma Barua <tumabarua@gmail.com> wrote:
Muthoni,
I would like to thank the UoN team for this brilliant initiative. I feel some aroma of good leadership. I know for sure, that universities are not mandated to inject junks into the markets. It is for this reason that, I am motivated to provide my input below.
* Consider embedding an industrial attachment(s) within the program to allow students interact with the industries before graduating. in my opinion, this might be a good opportunity, if used well, to have the student market themselves (and UoN). * Consider introducing other specializations/programs like Software Engineering, Information Management (Refer to Computer Science Body of Knowledge). * UoN to take leadership and develop an organization/society responsible for developing a common body of knowledge for all IT/IS/CS programs.Is it possible to use this one, instead of a branded one? * Research Project: Have the project include at least an academic and an external supervisor (from the industry). * Liaise with some a number of companies that can provide opportunities to deal with a certain specific problem in the industry. UoN might partner with these companies in commercializing the idea, if involved from the beginning. * I think the social and professional issues are not covered well by the current bouquet of courses.
It is good to see a university not only responsible for quantity of the graduates but also in their quality. How else does it become competitive?
Former student.
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 2:08 PM, Muthoni Masinde <muthoni@uonbi.ac.ke> wrote:
Washington, Like Tim Waema has mentioned, we do not have a new curriculum but are currently developing one. What I sent out in my previous email is the current one that we would like to modify and incorporate your (the stakeholders) input.
Regards, Muthoni
On 11/9/09 12:31 PM, "Okoth Washington" <wokoth@kebs.org> wrote:
Good afternoon Madam, Kindly circulate the current proposal to enable us review and positively contribute to it in line with the two issues you raised. I would also like to share Agosta¹ s view on stakeholders forum Okoth Washington
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Hello everyone,
Below is a brief description of the first (in Kenya) Bachelor of Science in Computer Science programme; it is currently under review:
MOTIVATIONS AND OBJECTIVES
The School of Computing & Informatics (formerly Institute of Computer Science) of the University of Nairobi launched the Bachelor of Science (Computer Science) programme in 1992. The programme was aimed at meeting perceived development needs in Kenya, which it has done very well. Indeed, most of the computer science professionals in industry today have been developed through this programme. However, with experience in offering this programme and given changes in national development needs as well as changes in the fast evolving area of IT, it has become necessary to revise this programme. This programme is part of a set of academic programmes (Masters programmes in: 1) Computer Science, 2) Applied Computer Science and 3) Information Systems as well as PhD in Computer Science) at the School that have been motivated by the following needs at the national level: (a) The need for Kenya to harness IT for increased productivity and effectiveness in all sectors of the economy for national prosperity. (b) The need for widespread socio-economic awareness (in Kenya) of the purpose and capabilities of information systems. (c) The need for Kenya to participate effectively in and reap maximum benefits from the global information economy. (d) The need to address the increasing demand for IT education in the world of work. The specific objectives of the Bachelor of Science (Computer Science) programme are: (a) To present the theoretical foundations in computer science and to integrate these theories in a way that gives the learner deep knowledge of computer science (b) To enable learners to use the knowledge gained to analyze, design and implement solutions to a wide range of real-world problems. (c) To develop learners who are practical and problem solving-oriented and capable of life-long learning. (d) To contribute to the production of computer science and information systems professionals required at the various levels of our nation¹s industrial development and thereby be a partner in the industrial development of Kenya. PROGRAMME REVIEW GUIDELINES A number of us in the KICTANET list have a stake in this programme; we are either current/potential employers/parents/guardians of these graduates or we could be current/past students of this programme or even policy makers in relevant sectors. We will appreciate if you could share with us your general views on the following two issues: 1. The kind of Computer Science graduate the market needs; in terms of knowledge and skills 2. The kind of courses you would recommend to be critical for this graduate
Sent by Muthoni Masinde (Lecturer, School of Computing and Informatics) in consultation with: Christopher Moturi (Deputy Director, School of Computing and Informatics) Tim Waema (Professor, School of Computing and Informatics)
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Muthoni, What you have intiiated is apt. I wanted to plan a comprehensive response but don't have time now. So just a little bit, as you review the curriculum, is there anyway to ensure that it is dynamic enough commensurate to the dyanmisim of the industry?. What I mean is that there are some courses that should be a little open to change instead of waiting for comprehensive curriculum reviews. It is important for example to have a course on ICT and Society or ICT4D so that the students can immediately apply the 'techi' part to development oppportunities...they may surprise us with some mind-boggling innovations. In addition, a course like the one I suggest should be seminar driven and more by the students especially in the second half of the semester or second semester depending on how it is planned.....oh let me just continue when I am flowing but excuse me as in a hurry. A part of the curriculum must be wholly cognizant of the revolution in ICTs in Africa and Kenya specificially and the developing world in general. This includes the role of ICTs in Economic Growth and Poverty alleviation.What I meant about student driven is that there has be emphasis in this course on students making informed contributions in class, preparing questions based on a reading list and leading class discussion. We can discuss more when we meet, really got to go. Best, Nyaki ________________________________ From: Muthoni Masinde <muthoni@uonbi.ac.ke> To: elizaslider@yahoo.com Cc: moturi <moturi@uonbi.ac.ke>; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>; "sci-acad@uonbi.ac.ke" <sci-acad@uonbi.ac.ke>; waema@uonbi.ac.ke Sent: Mon, November 9, 2009 10:54:47 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] The Premier B.Sc. Computer Science Programme in Kenya Re: [kictanet] The Premier B.Sc. Computer Science Programme in Kenya Barrack, Thank you for the input and the suggestion on contacting KAM and KEPSA. Best regards, Muthoni On 11/9/09 5:39 PM, "Barrack Otieno" <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote: Hi Muthoni,
Congratulations, for me the greatest thing you have done is to invite stakeholders to contribute to this brilliant initiative. With regard to the issue of internships it would be good to get commitment from KAM and KEPSA as well as their input Thanks
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 5:19 PM, Tuma Barua <tumabarua@gmail.com> wrote:
Muthoni,
I would like to thank the UoN team for this brilliant initiative. I feel some aroma of good leadership. I know for sure, that universities are not mandated to inject junks into the markets. It is for this reason that, I am motivated to provide my input below.
* Consider embedding an industrial attachment(s) within the program to allow students interact with the industries before graduating. in my opinion, this might be a good opportunity, if used well, to have the student market themselves (and UoN). * Consider introducing other specializations/programs like Software Engineering, Information Management (Refer to Computer Science Body of Knowledge). * UoN to take leadership and develop an organization/society responsible for developing a common body of knowledge for all IT/IS/CS programs.Is it possible to use this one, instead of a branded one? * Research Project: Have the project include at least an academic and an external supervisor (from the industry). * Liaise with some a number of companies that can provide opportunities to deal with a certain specific problem in the industry. UoN might partner with these companies in commercializing the idea, if involved from the beginning. * I think the social and professional issues are not covered well by the current bouquet of courses.
It is good to see a university not only responsible for quantity of the graduates but also in their quality. How else does it become competitive?
Former student.
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 2:08 PM, Muthoni Masinde <muthoni@uonbi.ac.ke> wrote:
Washington,
Like Tim Waema has mentioned, we do not have a new curriculum but are currently developing one. What I sent out in my previous email is the current one that we would like to modify and incorporate your (the stakeholders) input.
Regards, Muthoni
On 11/9/09 12:31 PM, "Okoth Washington" <wokoth@kebs.org> wrote:
Good afternoon Madam,
>> >>Kindly circulate the current proposal to enable us review and positively contribute to it in line with the two issues you raised. >> >>I would also like to share Agosta’ s view on stakeholders forum >> >>Okoth Washington >>
From: kictanet-bounces+wokoth=kebs.org <http://kebs.org> @lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://lists.kictanet.or.ke> [mailto:kictanet-bounces+wokoth=kebs.org@lists.kictanet.or.ke] <mailto:kictanet-bounces+wokoth=kebs.org@lists.kictanet.or.ke%5D> On Behalf Of Muthoni Masinde Sent: 08 November 2009 16:45 To: Okoth Washington Cc: moturi; waema@uonbi.ac.ke; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: [kictanet] The Premier B.Sc. Computer Science Programme in Kenya
>>Hello everyone,
>>Below is a brief description of the first (in Kenya) Bachelor of Science in Computer Science programme; it is currently under review:
>>MOTIVATIONS AND OBJECTIVES
>>The School of Computing & Informatics (formerly Institute of Computer Science) of the University of Nairobi launched the Bachelor of Science (Computer Science) programme in 1992. The programme was aimed at meeting perceived development needs in Kenya, which it has done very well. Indeed, most of the computer science professionals in industry today have been developed through this programme. However, with experience in offering this programme and given changes in national development needs as well as changes in the fast evolving area of IT, it has become necessary to revise this programme. >> >>This programme is part of a set of academic programmes (Masters programmes in: 1) Computer Science, 2) Applied Computer Science and 3) Information Systems as well as PhD in Computer Science) at the School that have been motivated by the following needs at the national level: >> >>(a) The need for Kenya to harness IT for increased productivity and effectiveness in all sectors of the economy for national prosperity. >>(b) The need for widespread socio-economic awareness (in Kenya) of the purpose and capabilities of information systems. >>(c) The need for Kenya to participate effectively in and reap maximum benefits from the global information economy. >>(d) The need to address the increasing demand for IT education in the world of work. >> >>The specific objectives of the Bachelor of Science (Computer Science) programme are: >>(a) To present the theoretical foundations in computer science and to integrate these theories in a way that gives the learner deep knowledge of computer science >>(b) To enable learners to use the knowledge gained to analyze, design and implement solutions to a wide range of real-world problems. >>(c) To develop learners who are practical and problem solving-oriented and capable of life-long learning. >>(d) To contribute to the production of computer science and information systems professionals required at the various levels of our nation’s industrial development and thereby be a partner in the industrial development of Kenya. >> PROGRAMME REVIEW GUIDELINES A number of us in the KICTANET list have a stake in this programme; we are either current/potential employers/parents/guardians of these graduates or we could be current/past students of this programme or even policy makers in relevant sectors. We will appreciate if you could share with us your general views on the following two issues: >>
1. The kind of Computer Science graduate the market needs; in terms of knowledge and skills
2. The kind of courses you would recommend to be critical for this graduate
>>Sent by Muthoni Masinde (Lecturer, School of Computing and Informatics) in consultation with: >>Christopher Moturi (Deputy Director, School of Computing and Informatics) >>Tim Waema (Professor, School of Computing and Informatics)
>>Thank you
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Nyaki, This is nice; thank you for finding the time to write despite being on the move¹ at the moment. We have courses (few though) on the issues of ICT and Society from 2nd year to 4th year; we could do more I am sure. Please lets talk when you come by. We also have non-examinable course on Seminars¹ where we invite external speakers to speak on/teach IT current affairs¹. On this one too, we need to do much more with the support of the IT industry. Regards, Muthoni On 11/12/09 12:14 PM, "Catherine Adeya" <elizaslider@yahoo.com> wrote:
Muthoni,
What you have intiiated is apt. I wanted to plan a comprehensive response but don't have time now. So just a little bit, as you review the curriculum, is there anyway to ensure that it is dynamic enough commensurate to the dyanmisim of the industry?. What I mean is that there are some courses that should be a little open to change instead of waiting for comprehensive curriculum reviews. It is important for example to have a course on ICT and Society or ICT4D so that the students can immediately apply the 'techi' part to development oppportunities...they may surprise us with some mind-boggling innovations. In addition, a course like the one I suggest should be seminar driven and more by the students especially in the second half of the semester or second semester depending on how it is planned.....oh let me just continue when I am flowing but excuse me as in a hurry.
A part of the curriculum must be wholly cognizant of the revolution in ICTs in Africa and Kenya specificially and the developing world in general. This includes the role of ICTs in Economic Growth and Poverty alleviation.What I meant about student driven is that there has be emphasis in this course on students making informed contributions in class, preparing questions based on a reading list and leading class discussion. We can discuss more when we meet, really got to go.
Best, Nyaki
From: Muthoni Masinde <muthoni@uonbi.ac.ke> To: elizaslider@yahoo.com Cc: moturi <moturi@uonbi.ac.ke>; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>; "sci-acad@uonbi.ac.ke" <sci-acad@uonbi.ac.ke>; waema@uonbi.ac.ke Sent: Mon, November 9, 2009 10:54:47 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] The Premier B.Sc. Computer Science Programme in Kenya
Re: [kictanet] The Premier B.Sc. Computer Science Programme in Kenya Barrack, Thank you for the input and the suggestion on contacting KAM and KEPSA.
Best regards, Muthoni
On 11/9/09 5:39 PM, "Barrack Otieno" <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Muthoni, Congratulations, for me the greatest thing you have done is to invite stakeholders to contribute to this brilliant initiative. With regard to the issue of internships it would be good to get commitment from KAM and KEPSA as well as their input Thanks
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 5:19 PM, Tuma Barua <tumabarua@gmail.com> wrote:
Muthoni,
I would like to thank the UoN team for this brilliant initiative. I feel some aroma of good leadership. I know for sure, that universities are not mandated to inject junks into the markets. It is for this reason that, I am motivated to provide my input below.
* Consider embedding an industrial attachment(s) within the program to allow students interact with the industries before graduating. in my opinion, this might be a good opportunity, if used well, to have the student market themselves (and UoN). * Consider introducing other specializations/programs like Software Engineering, Information Management (Refer to Computer Science Body of Knowledge). * UoN to take leadership and develop an organization/society responsible for developing a common body of knowledge for all IT/IS/CS programs.Is it possible to use this one, instead of a branded one? * Research Project: Have the project include at least an academic and an external supervisor (from the industry). * Liaise with some a number of companies that can provide opportunities to deal with a certain specific problem in the industry. UoN might partner with these companies in commercializing the idea, if involved from the beginning. * I think the social and professional issues are not covered well by the current bouquet of courses.
It is good to see a university not only responsible for quantity of the graduates but also in their quality. How else does it become competitive?
Former student.
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 2:08 PM, Muthoni Masinde <muthoni@uonbi.ac.ke> wrote:
Washington, Like Tim Waema has mentioned, we do not have a new curriculum but are currently developing one. What I sent out in my previous email is the current one that we would like to modify and incorporate your (the stakeholders) input.
Regards, Muthoni
On 11/9/09 12:31 PM, "Okoth Washington" <wokoth@kebs.org> wrote:
Good afternoon Madam,
Kindly circulate the current proposal to enable us review and positively contribute to it in line with the two issues you raised.
I would also like to share Agosta¹ s view on stakeholders forum
Okoth Washington
From: kictanet-bounces+wokoth=kebs.org <http://kebs.org> @lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://lists.kictanet.or.ke> [mailto:kictanet-bounces+wokoth=kebs.org@lists.kictanet.or.ke] <mailto:kictanet-bounces+wokoth=kebs.org@lists.kictanet.or.ke%5D> <mailto:kictanet-bounces+wokoth=kebs.org@lists.kictanet.or.ke%5D> On Behalf Of Muthoni Masinde Sent: 08 November 2009 16:45 To: Okoth Washington Cc: moturi; waema@uonbi.ac.ke; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: [kictanet] The Premier B.Sc. Computer Science Programme in Kenya
Hello everyone,
Below is a brief description of the first (in Kenya) Bachelor of Science in Computer Science programme; it is currently under review:
MOTIVATIONS AND OBJECTIVES
The School of Computing & Informatics (formerly Institute of Computer Science) of the University of Nairobi launched the Bachelor of Science (Computer Science) programme in 1992. The programme was aimed at meeting perceived development needs in Kenya, which it has done very well. Indeed, most of the computer science professionals in industry today have been developed through this programme. However, with experience in offering this programme and given changes in national development needs as well as changes in the fast evolving area of IT, it has become necessary to revise this programme.
This programme is part of a set of academic programmes (Masters programmes in: 1) Computer Science, 2) Applied Computer Science and 3) Information Systems as well as PhD in Computer Science) at the School that have been motivated by the following needs at the national level:
(a) The need for Kenya to harness IT for increased productivity and effectiveness in all sectors of the economy for national prosperity. (b) The need for widespread socio-economic awareness (in Kenya) of the purpose and capabilities of information systems. (c) The need for Kenya to participate effectively in and reap maximum benefits from the global information economy. (d) The need to address the increasing demand for IT education in the world of work.
The specific objectives of the Bachelor of Science (Computer Science) programme are: (a) To present the theoretical foundations in computer science and to integrate these theories in a way that gives the learner deep knowledge of computer science (b) To enable learners to use the knowledge gained to analyze, design and implement solutions to a wide range of real-world problems. (c) To develop learners who are practical and problem solving-oriented and capable of life-long learning. (d) To contribute to the production of computer science and information systems professionals required at the various levels of our nation¹s industrial development and thereby be a partner in the industrial development of Kenya.
PROGRAMME REVIEW GUIDELINES A number of us in the KICTANET list have a stake in this programme; we are either current/potential employers/parents/guardians of these graduates or we could be current/past students of this programme or even policy makers in relevant sectors. We will appreciate if you could share with us your general views on the following two issues:
1. The kind of Computer Science graduate the market needs; in terms of knowledge and skills 2. The kind of courses you would recommend to be critical for this graduate
Sent by Muthoni Masinde (Lecturer, School of Computing and Informatics) in consultation with: Christopher Moturi (Deputy Director, School of Computing and Informatics) Tim Waema (Professor, School of Computing and Informatics)
Thank you
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Dear Tuma (interesting name!), Thank you for the input; I hear you loud and clear especially on the issue of industrial attachment. The input is safely in the right hands (all the academic members of staff). On the issue of collaborative research, we have tried over and over again but we feel that the industry does not appreciate local R&D initiatives as much as they should. Someone correct me if I am wrong. Kind regards, Muthoni On 11/9/09 5:19 PM, "Tuma Barua" <tumabarua@gmail.com> wrote:
Muthoni,
I would like to thank the UoN team for this brilliant initiative. I feel some aroma of good leadership. I know for sure, that universities are not mandated to inject junks into the markets. It is for this reason that, I am motivated to provide my input below.
* Consider embedding an industrial attachment(s) within the program to allow students interact with the industries before graduating. in my opinion, this might be a good opportunity, if used well, to have the student market themselves (and UoN). * Consider introducing other specializations/programs like Software Engineering, Information Management (Refer to Computer Science Body of Knowledge). * UoN to take leadership and develop an organization/society responsible for developing a common body of knowledge for all IT/IS/CS programs.Is it possible to use this one, instead of a branded one? * Research Project: Have the project include at least an academic and an external supervisor (from the industry). * Liaise with some a number of companies that can provide opportunities to deal with a certain specific problem in the industry. UoN might partner with these companies in commercializing the idea, if involved from the beginning. * I think the social and professional issues are not covered well by the current bouquet of courses.
It is good to see a university not only responsible for quantity of the graduates but also in their quality. How else does it become competitive?
Former student.
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 2:08 PM, Muthoni Masinde <muthoni@uonbi.ac.ke> wrote:
Washington, Like Tim Waema has mentioned, we do not have a new curriculum but are currently developing one. What I sent out in my previous email is the current one that we would like to modify and incorporate your (the stakeholders) input.
Regards, Muthoni
On 11/9/09 12:31 PM, "Okoth Washington" <wokoth@kebs.org> wrote:
Good afternoon Madam, Kindly circulate the current proposal to enable us review and positively contribute to it in line with the two issues you raised. I would also like to share Agosta¹ s view on stakeholders forum Okoth Washington
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Hello everyone,
Below is a brief description of the first (in Kenya) Bachelor of Science in Computer Science programme; it is currently under review:
MOTIVATIONS AND OBJECTIVES
The School of Computing & Informatics (formerly Institute of Computer Science) of the University of Nairobi launched the Bachelor of Science (Computer Science) programme in 1992. The programme was aimed at meeting perceived development needs in Kenya, which it has done very well. Indeed, most of the computer science professionals in industry today have been developed through this programme. However, with experience in offering this programme and given changes in national development needs as well as changes in the fast evolving area of IT, it has become necessary to revise this programme. This programme is part of a set of academic programmes (Masters programmes in: 1) Computer Science, 2) Applied Computer Science and 3) Information Systems as well as PhD in Computer Science) at the School that have been motivated by the following needs at the national level: (a) The need for Kenya to harness IT for increased productivity and effectiveness in all sectors of the economy for national prosperity. (b) The need for widespread socio-economic awareness (in Kenya) of the purpose and capabilities of information systems. (c) The need for Kenya to participate effectively in and reap maximum benefits from the global information economy. (d) The need to address the increasing demand for IT education in the world of work. The specific objectives of the Bachelor of Science (Computer Science) programme are: (a) To present the theoretical foundations in computer science and to integrate these theories in a way that gives the learner deep knowledge of computer science (b) To enable learners to use the knowledge gained to analyze, design and implement solutions to a wide range of real-world problems. (c) To develop learners who are practical and problem solving-oriented and capable of life-long learning. (d) To contribute to the production of computer science and information systems professionals required at the various levels of our nation¹s industrial development and thereby be a partner in the industrial development of Kenya. PROGRAMME REVIEW GUIDELINES A number of us in the KICTANET list have a stake in this programme; we are either current/potential employers/parents/guardians of these graduates or we could be current/past students of this programme or even policy makers in relevant sectors. We will appreciate if you could share with us your general views on the following two issues: 1. The kind of Computer Science graduate the market needs; in terms of knowledge and skills 2. The kind of courses you would recommend to be critical for this graduate
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Muthoni, This is a brilliant idea. In my view you benefit by eliciting very valuable and resourceful ideas for the Curriculum from experienced and sharpened staff. An all stakeholder involvement in either curriculum review or development is an IUCEA and CHE requirement. Its the right process for both academic quality assurance and towards offering demand driven(ICT industry, Kenyas vision 2030) and custom built training. The revision is long overdue. In any case the requirement is one cycle which is in the period of five yrs. On CS, the direction focus should be specialisation from 2nd Year of study after the foundation units. We in academia, believe in sharing "cable", here knowledge and ideas. Will share this with ICSIT colleagues in JKUAT and come back to you. Nancy Macharia Deputy Director ICSIT JKUAT Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: Tuma Barua <tumabarua@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 17:19:40 To: <n_macharia@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>; moturi<moturi@uonbi.ac.ke>; <waema@uonbi.ac.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] The Premier B.Sc. Computer Science Programme in Kenya _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: n_macharia@yahoo.co.uk Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/n_macharia%40yahoo.co.u...
Dear Nancy, I agree with you; we actually review our curriculum every 4 years; the current one is 4 years old and that is why we are reviewing it. We have always done it through the approach you have described but this time round, we would like to incorporate stakeholders views. Quality assurance issues are well taken care of. The issue of specialisation from 2nd year seems to be favoured by many and we consider this. Thank you very much for the comments and indeed I will be glad to receive more ideas from ICSIT-JKUAT. Best regards, Muthoni On 11/10/09 12:03 AM, "n_macharia@yahoo.co.uk" <n_macharia@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Muthoni,
This is a brilliant idea. In my view you benefit by eliciting very valuable and resourceful ideas for the Curriculum from experienced and sharpened staff.
An all stakeholder involvement in either curriculum review or development is an IUCEA and CHE requirement. Its the right process for both academic quality assurance and towards offering demand driven(ICT industry, Kenyas vision 2030) and custom built training.
The revision is long overdue. In any case the requirement is one cycle which is in the period of five yrs.
On CS, the direction focus should be specialisation from 2nd Year of study after the foundation units.
We in academia, believe in sharing "cable", here knowledge and ideas. Will share this with ICSIT colleagues in JKUAT and come back to you.
Nancy Macharia Deputy Director ICSIT JKUAT Sent from my BlackBerry®
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Muthoni M, I think its good to see Academia going back to the industry to ask for input in curricula development. Previous University Dons would rather claim it was their sole prerogative to say what needs to be taught and when and how it would be taught. Indeed just looking at the recent post from Eng. Kariuki regarding "ICT Jobs at Huawei" it shows the gap between industry and academia. Whereas most ICT University Curricula continues to be strictly segmented along EITHER "Computer Science/Info Technology" OR "Electrical/Telco Engineering" most employers seem to be looking for BOTH CompScience/IT and Engineering components from their candidates. The Challenge then becomes, should IT students be taught some Telco-engineering concepts or Should Electrical and other Engineers be taught IT concepts? I know I have not answered your question regarding inputs for the Computers Science program, but it is just that your question provokes more questions than answers... walu. --- On Tue, 11/10/09, Muthoni Masinde <muthoni@uonbi.ac.ke> wrote: From: Muthoni Masinde <muthoni@uonbi.ac.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] The Premier B.Sc. Computer Science Programme in Kenya To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "moturi" <moturi@uonbi.ac.ke>, "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>, "sci-acad@uonbi.ac.ke" <sci-acad@uonbi.ac.ke>, waema@uonbi.ac.ke Date: Tuesday, November 10, 2009, 2:39 PM Dear Nancy, I agree with you; we actually review our curriculum every 4 years; the current one is 4 years old and that is why we are reviewing it. We have always done it through the approach you have described but this time round, we would like to incorporate stakeholders views. Quality assurance issues are well taken care of. The issue of specialisation from 2nd year seems to be favoured by many and we consider this. Thank you very much for the comments and indeed I will be glad to receive more ideas from ICSIT-JKUAT. Best regards, Muthoni On 11/10/09 12:03 AM, "n_macharia@yahoo.co.uk" <n_macharia@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Muthoni,
This is a brilliant idea. In my view you benefit by eliciting very valuable and resourceful ideas for the Curriculum from experienced and sharpened staff.
An all stakeholder involvement in either curriculum review or development is an IUCEA and CHE requirement. Its the right process for both academic quality assurance and towards offering demand driven(ICT industry, Kenyas vision 2030) and custom built training.
The revision is long overdue. In any case the requirement is one cycle which is in the period of five yrs.
On CS, the direction focus should be specialisation from 2nd Year of study after the foundation units.
We in academia, believe in sharing "cable", here knowledge and ideas. Will share this with ICSIT colleagues in JKUAT and come back to you.
Nancy Macharia Deputy Director ICSIT JKUAT Sent from my BlackBerry®
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Muthoni,
This is a brilliant idea. In my view you benefit by eliciting very valuable and resourceful ideas for the Curriculum from experienced and sharpened staff.
An all stakeholder involvement in either curriculum review or development is an IUCEA and CHE requirement. Its the right process for both academic quality assurance and towards offering demand driven(ICT industry, Kenyas vision
John W, I agree with you to an extend. However, I feel that clustering of all these disciplines in one particular curriculum, either way or Cramming one course with all that can possibly be taught in class, and meet what the employer might be seeking for may not be practical in the long run. Infact this seems to be the case with the current curricula, where most of the disciplines within the current course outlines really never get applied anywhere. This is wasted knowledge. Just like, much of the physics and the Chemistry you and me learnt in High school may just have been a real total 'waste' of time, effort, and money. It might only serve to create some walking encyclopedias with knowledge that never gets applied. Let us develop Specialized Training Curriculas way before even the university entry.. Muthoni, if you would ask me, I would recommend that even before you overhaul the current University curriculum, a crucial section of stakeholders that comprise the High School, and probably the upper primary School fraternity, need to be brought into the fold in order to develop and adopt what I would call a "Bottoms-up" approach in arriving at curriculum that flows right through the entire Education system as currently structured, with vision 2030 in mind. Of course the other end of the production - The employers, who are consumers of the Finished products, are equally important, but also will need to make "Realistic" demands on the graduands.. When you demand that you need graduates who have done computer Science, Electronic Engineering etc, all compressed in one, it tends to lock out deserving prospects for the job. It may be cost-saving to look at it that way but in the long run it won't augur well for skills development that we have at our disposal. Please cast the net far and wide, it's just as a multistakeholder issue, at hand, just as the Constitutional Review is.. Regards, Harry _____ From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Walubengo J Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 10:18 AM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: skunk; waema@uonbi.ac.ke; moturi; sci-acad@uonbi.ac.ke; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] The Premier B.Sc. Computer Science Programme in Kenya Muthoni M, I think its good to see Academia going back to the industry to ask for input in curricula development. Previous University Dons would rather claim it was their sole prerogative to say what needs to be taught and when and how it would be taught. Indeed just looking at the recent post from Eng. Kariuki regarding "ICT Jobs at Huawei" it shows the gap between industry and academia. Whereas most ICT University Curricula continues to be strictly segmented along EITHER "Computer Science/Info Technology" OR "Electrical/Telco Engineering" most employers seem to be looking for BOTH CompScience/IT and Engineering components from their candidates. The Challenge then becomes, should IT students be taught some Telco-engineering concepts or Should Electrical and other Engineers be taught IT concepts? I know I have not answered your question regarding inputs for the Computers Science program, but it is just that your question provokes more questions than answers... walu. --- On Tue, 11/10/09, Muthoni Masinde <muthoni@uonbi.ac.ke> wrote: From: Muthoni Masinde <muthoni@uonbi.ac.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] The Premier B.Sc. Computer Science Programme in Kenya To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "moturi" <moturi@uonbi.ac.ke>, "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>, "sci-acad@uonbi.ac.ke" <sci-acad@uonbi.ac.ke>, waema@uonbi.ac.ke Date: Tuesday, November 10, 2009, 2:39 PM Dear Nancy, I agree with you; we actually review our curriculum every 4 years; the current one is 4 years old and that is why we are reviewing it. We have always done it through the approach you have described but this time round, we would like to incorporate stakeholders views. Quality assurance issues are well taken care of. The issue of specialisation from 2nd year seems to be favoured by many and we consider this. Thank you very much for the comments and indeed I will be glad to receive more ideas from ICSIT-JKUAT. Best regards, Muthoni On 11/10/09 12:03 AM, "n_macharia@yahoo.co.uk" <n_macharia@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: 2030)
and custom built training.
The revision is long overdue. In any case the requirement is one cycle which is in the period of five yrs.
On CS, the direction focus should be specialisation from 2nd Year of study after the foundation units.
We in academia, believe in sharing "cable", here knowledge and ideas. Will share this with ICSIT colleagues in JKUAT and come back to you.
Nancy Macharia Deputy Director ICSIT JKUAT Sent from my BlackBerryR
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Harry, Your recommendations are quite demanding but I do agree with you that this path will yield better results. I am summarizing all these comments for our academic members of staff. We highly appreciate the valuable input and we intend to incorporates as much as we can. I will would like to pick out your statement on employers being unrealistic¹ in their demands. I for example don¹t understand why an employer would ask for a First Class in Computer Science and CPA V from the same human candidate! Cheers, Muthoni On 11/11/09 9:21 PM, "Harry Delano" <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> wrote:
John W,
I agree with you to an extend. However, I feel that clustering of all these disciplines in one particular curriculum, either way or Cramming one course with all that can possibly be taught in class, and meet what the employer might be seeking for may not be practical in the long run. Infact this seems to be the case with the current curricula, where most of the disciplines within the current course outlines really never get applied anywhere. This is wasted knowledge. Just like, much of the physics and the Chemistry you and me learnt in High school may just have been a real total 'waste' of time, effort, and money. It might only serve to create some walking encyclopedias with knowledge that never gets applied. Let us develop Specialized Training Curriculas way before even the university entry..
Muthoni, if you would ask me, I would recommend that even before you overhaul the current University curriculum, a crucial section of stakeholders that comprise the High School, and probably the upper primary School fraternity, need to be brought into the fold in order to develop and adopt what I would call a "Bottoms-up" approach in arriving at curriculum that flows right through the entire Education system as currently structured, with vision 2030 in mind.
Of course the other end of the production - The employers, who are consumers of the Finished products, are equally important, but also will need to make "Realistic" demands on the graduands.. When you demand that you need graduates who have done computer Science, Electronic Engineering etc, all compressed in one, it tends to lock out deserving prospects for the job. It may be cost-saving to look at it that way but in the long run it won't augur well for skills development that we have at our disposal.
Please cast the net far and wide, it's just as a multistakeholder issue, at hand, just as the Constitutional Review is..
Regards, Harry
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Muthoni M,
I think its good to see Academia going back to the industry to ask for input in curricula development. Previous University Dons would rather claim it was their sole prerogative to say what needs to be taught and when and how it would be taught.
Indeed just looking at the recent post from Eng. Kariuki regarding "ICT Jobs at Huawei" it shows the gap between industry and academia. Whereas most ICT University Curricula continues to be strictly segmented along EITHER "Computer Science/Info Technology" OR "Electrical/Telco Engineering" most employers seem to be looking for BOTH CompScience/IT and Engineering components from their candidates.
The Challenge then becomes, should IT students be taught some Telco-engineering concepts or Should Electrical and other Engineers be taught IT concepts? I know I have not answered your question regarding inputs for the Computers Science program, but it is just that your question provokes more questions than answers...
walu.
--- On Tue, 11/10/09, Muthoni Masinde <muthoni@uonbi.ac.ke> wrote:
From: Muthoni Masinde <muthoni@uonbi.ac.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] The Premier B.Sc. Computer Science Programme in Kenya To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "moturi" <moturi@uonbi.ac.ke>, "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>, "sci-acad@uonbi.ac.ke" <sci-acad@uonbi.ac.ke>, waema@uonbi.ac.ke Date: Tuesday, November 10, 2009, 2:39 PM
Dear Nancy, I agree with you; we actually review our curriculum every 4 years; the current one is 4 years old and that is why we are reviewing it. We have always done it through the approach you have described but this time round, we would like to incorporate stakeholders views. Quality assurance issues are well taken care of.
The issue of specialisation from 2nd year seems to be favoured by many and we consider this.
Thank you very much for the comments and indeed I will be glad to receive more ideas from ICSIT-JKUAT.
Best regards, Muthoni
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Muthoni,
This is a brilliant idea. In my view you benefit by eliciting very valuable and resourceful ideas for the Curriculum from experienced and sharpened staff.
An all stakeholder involvement in either curriculum review or development is an IUCEA and CHE requirement. Its the right process for both academic quality assurance and towards offering demand driven(ICT industry, Kenyas vision
and custom built training.
The revision is long overdue. In any case the requirement is one cycle which is in the period of five yrs.
On CS, the direction focus should be specialisation from 2nd Year of study after the foundation units.
We in academia, believe in sharing "cable", here knowledge and ideas. Will share this with ICSIT colleagues in JKUAT and come back to you.
Nancy Macharia Deputy Director ICSIT JKUAT Sent from my BlackBerry®
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Hello everyone, Most of the contributions on this thread are focusing on the curricula and the finished product-ready for employment. Being an SCI graduate myself, I was left wondering where, if at all we shall apply all that knowledge. And who says that SCI* must produce employable graduates* anyway? We need not forget that the University must also 'churn out' researchers and entrepreneurs. Its very easy and obvious for all of us to extoll on the virtues of SCI producing graduates who are relevant to the industry and job market at the moment. However, it must also be noted that alot of students would gladly take up and scale their projects and various innovations to higher levels if only they were given the means to do so. Thus, if the University and SCI in particular can create an environment and a culture that encourages students to come up with market viable projects, and then create structures that will enable the projects/products/innovations to go to market, that to me would be a big plus, not only for the students but also for the country. Maybe SCI needs to find a way to either get a group of investors/mentors/.advisors who would partner with the students in developing market relevant solutions instead of waiting for the students to graduate and look for a safe secure job. Thanks in advance. Martin S. Njuguna CEO Digital Vision Limited Kitengela Road, Langata, Nairobi P.O Box 40721 00100 t:+254-20-21 33 865 c:+254 721 440 543 e:martin@digitalvision.co.ke <e%3Amartin@digitalvision.co.ke> w: http://www.digitalvision.co.ke Skype: digitalv.ke On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 9:21 PM, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> wrote:
John W,
I agree with you to an extend. However, I feel that clustering of all these disciplines in one particular curriculum, either way or Cramming one course with all that can possibly be taught in class, and meet what the employer might be seeking for may not be practical in the long run. Infact this seems to be the case with the current curricula, where most of the disciplines within the current course outlines really never get applied anywhere. This is wasted knowledge. Just like, much of the physics and the Chemistry you and me learnt in High school may just have been a real total 'waste' of time, effort, and money. It might only serve to create some walking encyclopedias with knowledge that never gets applied. Let us develop Specialized Training Curriculas way before even the university entry..
Muthoni, if you would ask me, I would recommend that even before you overhaul the current University curriculum, a crucial section of stakeholders that comprise the High School, and probably the upper primary School fraternity, need to be brought into the fold in order to develop and adopt what I would call a "Bottoms-up" approach in arriving at curriculum that flows right through the entire Education system as currently structured, with vision 2030 in mind.
Of course the other end of the production - The employers, who are consumers of the Finished products, are equally important, but also will need to make "Realistic" demands on the graduands.. When you demand that you need graduates who have done computer Science, Electronic Engineering etc, all compressed in one, it tends to lock out deserving prospects for the job. It may be cost-saving to look at it that way but in the long run it won't augur well for skills development that we have at our disposal.
Please cast the net far and wide, it's just as a multistakeholder issue, at hand, just as the Constitutional Review is..
Regards, Harry
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*Subject:* Re: [kictanet] The Premier B.Sc. Computer Science Programme in Kenya
Muthoni M,
I think its good to see Academia going back to the industry to ask for input in curricula development. Previous University Dons would rather claim it was their sole prerogative to say what needs to be taught and when and how it would be taught.
Indeed just looking at the recent post from Eng. Kariuki regarding "ICT Jobs at Huawei" it shows the gap between industry and academia. Whereas most ICT University Curricula continues to be strictly segmented along EITHER "Computer Science/Info Technology" OR "Electrical/Telco Engineering" most employers seem to be looking for BOTH CompScience/IT and Engineering components from their candidates.
The Challenge then becomes, should IT students be taught some Telco-engineering concepts or Should Electrical and other Engineers be taught IT concepts? I know I have not answered your question regarding inputs for the Computers Science program, but it is just that your question provokes more questions than answers...
walu.
--- On *Tue, 11/10/09, Muthoni Masinde <muthoni@uonbi.ac.ke>* wrote:
From: Muthoni Masinde <muthoni@uonbi.ac.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] The Premier B.Sc. Computer Science Programme in Kenya To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "moturi" <moturi@uonbi.ac.ke>, "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>, "sci-acad@uonbi.ac.ke" < sci-acad@uonbi.ac.ke>, waema@uonbi.ac.ke Date: Tuesday, November 10, 2009, 2:39 PM
Dear Nancy, I agree with you; we actually review our curriculum every 4 years; the current one is 4 years old and that is why we are reviewing it. We have always done it through the approach you have described but this time round, we would like to incorporate stakeholders views. Quality assurance issues are well taken care of.
The issue of specialisation from 2nd year seems to be favoured by many and we consider this.
Thank you very much for the comments and indeed I will be glad to receive more ideas from ICSIT-JKUAT.
Best regards, Muthoni
On 11/10/09 12:03 AM, "n_macharia@yahoo.co.uk<http://mc/compose?to=n_macharia@yahoo.co.uk>" <n_macharia@yahoo.co.uk <http://mc/compose?to=n_macharia@yahoo.co.uk>> wrote:
Muthoni,
This is a brilliant idea. In my view you benefit by eliciting very valuable and resourceful ideas for the Curriculum from experienced and sharpened staff.
An all stakeholder involvement in either curriculum review or development is an IUCEA and CHE requirement. Its the right process for both academic quality assurance and towards offering demand driven(ICT industry, Kenyas vision
and custom built training.
The revision is long overdue. In any case the requirement is one cycle which is in the period of five yrs.
On CS, the direction focus should be specialisation from 2nd Year of study after the foundation units.
We in academia, believe in sharing "cable", here knowledge and ideas. Will share this with ICSIT colleagues in JKUAT and come back to you.
Nancy Macharia Deputy Director ICSIT JKUAT Sent from my BlackBerry®
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Walu, Thank you for the comments; you definitely assisted in provoking more thoughts/reactions.... Asante, Muthoni On 11/11/09 10:17 AM, "Walubengo J" <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
Muthoni M,
I think its good to see Academia going back to the industry to ask for input in curricula development. Previous University Dons would rather claim it was their sole prerogative to say what needs to be taught and when and how it would be taught.
Indeed just looking at the recent post from Eng. Kariuki regarding "ICT Jobs at Huawei" it shows the gap between industry and academia. Whereas most ICT University Curricula continues to be strictly segmented along EITHER "Computer Science/Info Technology" OR "Electrical/Telco Engineering" most employers seem to be looking for BOTH CompScience/IT and Engineering components from their candidates.
The Challenge then becomes, should IT students be taught some Telco-engineering concepts or Should Electrical and other Engineers be taught IT concepts? I know I have not answered your question regarding inputs for the Computers Science program, but it is just that your question provokes more questions than answers...
walu.
--- On Tue, 11/10/09, Muthoni Masinde <muthoni@uonbi.ac.ke> wrote:
From: Muthoni Masinde <muthoni@uonbi.ac.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] The Premier B.Sc. Computer Science Programme in Kenya To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "moturi" <moturi@uonbi.ac.ke>, "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>, "sci-acad@uonbi.ac.ke" <sci-acad@uonbi.ac.ke>, waema@uonbi.ac.ke Date: Tuesday, November 10, 2009, 2:39 PM
Dear Nancy, I agree with you; we actually review our curriculum every 4 years; the current one is 4 years old and that is why we are reviewing it. We have always done it through the approach you have described but this time round, we would like to incorporate stakeholders views. Quality assurance issues are well taken care of.
The issue of specialisation from 2nd year seems to be favoured by many and we consider this.
Thank you very much for the comments and indeed I will be glad to receive more ideas from ICSIT-JKUAT.
Best regards, Muthoni
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Muthoni,
This is a brilliant idea. In my view you benefit by eliciting very valuable and resourceful ideas for the Curriculum from experienced and sharpened staff.
An all stakeholder involvement in either curriculum review or development is an IUCEA and CHE requirement. Its the right process for both academic quality assurance and towards offering demand driven(ICT industry, Kenyas vision
and custom built training.
The revision is long overdue. In any case the requirement is one cycle which is in the period of five yrs.
On CS, the direction focus should be specialisation from 2nd Year of study after the foundation units.
We in academia, believe in sharing "cable", here knowledge and ideas. Will share this with ICSIT colleagues in JKUAT and come back to you.
Nancy Macharia Deputy Director ICSIT JKUAT Sent from my BlackBerry®
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Muthoni, Keep it up. Are you also looking at incorporating short certification courses to take care of the emerging BPO industry? The graduates will be needed to work in these centres (read quality jobs heading the technical departments to manage BPO set ups.) Best, Gilda Quoting Muthoni Masinde <muthoni@uonbi.ac.ke>:
Walu, Thank you for the comments; you definitely assisted in provoking more thoughts/reactions....
Asante, Muthoni
On 11/11/09 10:17 AM, "Walubengo J" <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
Muthoni M,
I think its good to see Academia going back to the industry to ask for input in curricula development. Previous University Dons would rather claim it was their sole prerogative to say what needs to be taught and when and how it would be taught.
Indeed just looking at the recent post from Eng. Kariuki regarding "ICT Jobs at Huawei" it shows the gap between industry and academia. Whereas most ICT University Curricula continues to be strictly segmented along EITHER "Computer Science/Info Technology" OR "Electrical/Telco Engineering" most employers seem to be looking for BOTH CompScience/IT and Engineering components from their candidates.
The Challenge then becomes, should IT students be taught some Telco-engineering concepts or Should Electrical and other Engineers be taught IT concepts? I know I have not answered your question regarding inputs for the Computers Science program, but it is just that your question provokes more questions than answers...
walu.
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From: Muthoni Masinde <muthoni@uonbi.ac.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] The Premier B.Sc. Computer Science Programme in
Kenya
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Dear Nancy, I agree with you; we actually review our curriculum every 4 years; the current one is 4 years old and that is why we are reviewing it. We have always done it through the approach you have described but this time round, we would like to incorporate stakeholders views. Quality assurance issues are well taken care of.
The issue of specialisation from 2nd year seems to be favoured by many and we consider this.
Thank you very much for the comments and indeed I will be glad to receive more ideas from ICSIT-JKUAT.
Best regards, Muthoni
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Muthoni,
This is a brilliant idea. In my view you benefit by eliciting very valuable and resourceful ideas for the Curriculum from experienced and sharpened staff.
An all stakeholder involvement in either curriculum review or development is an IUCEA and CHE requirement. Its the right process for both academic quality assurance and towards offering demand driven(ICT industry, Kenyas vision
and custom built training.
The revision is long overdue. In any case the requirement is one cycle which is in the period of five yrs.
On CS, the direction focus should be specialisation from 2nd Year of study after the foundation units.
We in academia, believe in sharing "cable", here knowledge and ideas. Will share this with ICSIT colleagues in JKUAT and come back to you.
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What are the modes of study available for this course? Evening/Full Time/Distance etc... If targeting professionals, this might be critical... On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 12:31 PM, Okoth Washington <wokoth@kebs.org> wrote:
Good afternoon Madam,
Kindly circulate the current proposal to enable us review and positively contribute to it in line with the two issues you raised.
I would also like to share Agosta’ s view on stakeholders forum
Okoth Washington
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Hello everyone,
Below is a brief description of the first (in Kenya) Bachelor of Science in Computer Science programme; it is currently under review: *
MOTIVATIONS AND OBJECTIVES * The School of Computing & Informatics (formerly Institute of Computer Science) of the University of Nairobi launched the Bachelor of Science (Computer Science) programme in 1992. The programme was aimed at meeting perceived development needs in Kenya, which it has done very well. Indeed, most of the computer science professionals in industry today have been developed through this programme. However, with experience in offering this programme and given changes in national development needs as well as changes in the fast evolving area of IT, it has become necessary to revise this programme.
This programme is part of a set of academic programmes (Masters programmes in: 1) Computer Science, 2) Applied Computer Science and 3) Information Systems as well as PhD in Computer Science) at the School that have been * motivated* by the following needs at the national level:
(a) The need for Kenya to harness IT for increased productivity and effectiveness in all sectors of the economy for national prosperity. (b) The need for widespread socio-economic awareness (in Kenya) of the purpose and capabilities of information systems. (c) The need for Kenya to participate effectively in and reap maximum benefits from the global information economy. (d) The need to address the increasing demand for IT education in the world of work.
The specific *objectives* of the Bachelor of Science (Computer Science) programme are: (a) To present the theoretical foundations in computer science and to integrate these theories in a way that gives the learner deep knowledge of computer science (b) To enable learners to use the knowledge gained to analyze, design and implement solutions to a wide range of real-world problems. (c) To develop learners who are practical and problem solving-oriented and capable of life-long learning. (d) To contribute to the production of computer science and information systems professionals required at the various levels of our nation’s industrial development and thereby be a partner in the industrial development of Kenya.
*PROGRAMME REVIEW GUIDELINES *A number of us in the KICTANET list have a stake in this programme; we are either current/potential employers/parents/guardians of these graduates or we could be current/past students of this programme or even policy makers in relevant sectors. We will appreciate if you could share with us your general views on the following two issues:
1. The kind of Computer Science graduate the market needs; in terms of knowledge and skills 2. The kind of courses you would recommend to be critical for this graduate
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Phares, This is a full time face-to-face B.Sc. Course. Students attend classes day time; Monday to Friday. I hope this answers your question. Thank you Muthoni On 11/9/09 2:48 PM, "Phares Kariuki" <pkariuki@gmail.com> wrote:
What are the modes of study available for this course? Evening/Full Time/Distance etc... If targeting professionals, this might be critical...
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Good afternoon Madam, Kindly circulate the current proposal to enable us review and positively contribute to it in line with the two issues you raised. I would also like to share Agosta¹ s view on stakeholders forum Okoth Washington
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Below is a brief description of the first (in Kenya) Bachelor of Science in Computer Science programme; it is currently under review:
MOTIVATIONS AND OBJECTIVES
The School of Computing & Informatics (formerly Institute of Computer Science) of the University of Nairobi launched the Bachelor of Science (Computer Science) programme in 1992. The programme was aimed at meeting perceived development needs in Kenya, which it has done very well. Indeed, most of the computer science professionals in industry today have been developed through this programme. However, with experience in offering this programme and given changes in national development needs as well as changes in the fast evolving area of IT, it has become necessary to revise this programme. This programme is part of a set of academic programmes (Masters programmes in: 1) Computer Science, 2) Applied Computer Science and 3) Information Systems as well as PhD in Computer Science) at the School that have been motivated by the following needs at the national level: (a) The need for Kenya to harness IT for increased productivity and effectiveness in all sectors of the economy for national prosperity. (b) The need for widespread socio-economic awareness (in Kenya) of the purpose and capabilities of information systems. (c) The need for Kenya to participate effectively in and reap maximum benefits from the global information economy. (d) The need to address the increasing demand for IT education in the world of work. The specific objectives of the Bachelor of Science (Computer Science) programme are: (a) To present the theoretical foundations in computer science and to integrate these theories in a way that gives the learner deep knowledge of computer science (b) To enable learners to use the knowledge gained to analyze, design and implement solutions to a wide range of real-world problems. (c) To develop learners who are practical and problem solving-oriented and capable of life-long learning. (d) To contribute to the production of computer science and information systems professionals required at the various levels of our nation¹s industrial development and thereby be a partner in the industrial development of Kenya. PROGRAMME REVIEW GUIDELINES A number of us in the KICTANET list have a stake in this programme; we are either current/potential employers/parents/guardians of these graduates or we could be current/past students of this programme or even policy makers in relevant sectors. We will appreciate if you could share with us your general views on the following two issues: 1. The kind of Computer Science graduate the market needs; in terms of knowledge and skills 2. The kind of courses you would recommend to be critical for this graduate
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Greetings all. I'm glad that the Institute is looking to update the curriculum to make it more relevant. Here are my (scattered) thoughts 1) I feel that the Computer Science Degree is too 'jack of all trades'. It has object oriented programming, networking, operating systems, artificial intelligence, data structures, functional programming, databases and many other units, all of which are relevant but they are so many the only way to get through is to consign them to single units, and some of these units (like operating systems, programming, databases can easily be degree courses in their own right). Also most students know pretty early what scion of computer science they wish to pursue so why force someone who has no interest or aptitude in programming but wishes to concentrate on networks to go through the other units What I would suggest is as follows. Let us do what the engineers have done have specialization: They have Bsc Electronic Engineering, BSC Mechanical Engineering, etc. We can have the same with a twist Instead of plain old Computer Science let's have - Bsc Computer Science (Software Engineering) - Bsc Computer Science (Operating Systems) - Bsc Computer Science (Artificial Intelligence) - And so on What could be done is have the first one year have common fundamental courses that touch briefly on the core pillars of computer science -- the principles -- then from second year have the students specialize where they wish to go career wise. 2) With regards to languages taught, like many of my colleagues while i was at Uni I intensely resented C, C++ and Pascal as instruction languages and loudly wondered why were doing such archaic languages and not jumping straight to Java or C#. Of course with age comes wisdom and when using higher level languages now I know exactly how things work at a lower level. (At this point I shall digress and personalize issues and commend Ms Ronge and Mr Orwa because I can safely speak for my year when i say we learnt data structures and C programming whether we wanted to or not!) I would urge the team to *resist the temptation/pressure to remove these languages* as teaching languages as they teach many additional things besides the actual programming like analytic thinking, design and discipline. They will also appreciate how data structures we use every day work much better However having said that, perhaps in third year something like Java or C# can be brought in as well. 3) Functional programming is (if i recall correctly) two units and yet there are many problems the industry is constantly facing especially today, most notably parallel programming, concurrency and mutability (Again, with age comes wisdom!) that functional programming addresses. If I recall correctly the instruction was in Scheme and Prolog. Perhaps this can be updated to use languages like F# or Python so that students can learn the concepts and apply them immediately in their day to day work 4) Industrial Attachment should be a course unit on its own 5) When it comes to programming all the effort goes into the actual code. Things like requirements gathering, documentation, design, testing, working as a team, source code control, commenting debugging etc are not touched on at all. As a result of these by the time a student who wants to program as a career is finished they have 4 years of appallingly bad habits and practices that need to undone for about 10-14 months (I've measured!) before they can be useful team members in the industry. 6) There needs to be greater synergy between industry and academia -- hopefully some of what i have suggested will improve this disconnect. Universities and industry need to set up some relationships with the industry so that skills and knowledge can be cross pollinated. Regards Conrad
Hello Rad! (what is your real name by the way?) This is extremely useful to us; I have forwarded the mail to all my colleagues and I can assure you that your input will not go waste. I highly support you on the issue of teaching the students not just programming; our students are quite weak on things like testing specification requirements¹. Thank you very much for this very useful piece, Muthoni On 11/9/09 5:32 PM, "Rad!" <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
Greetings all.
I'm glad that the Institute is looking to update the curriculum to make it more relevant. Here are my (scattered) thoughts
1) I feel that the Computer Science Degree is too 'jack of all trades'. It has object oriented programming, networking, operating systems, artificial intelligence, data structures, functional programming, databases and many other units, all of which are relevant but they are so many the only way to get through is to consign them to single units, and some of these units (like operating systems, programming, databases can easily be degree courses in their own right).
Also most students know pretty early what scion of computer science they wish to pursue so why force someone who has no interest or aptitude in programming but wishes to concentrate on networks to go through the other units
What I would suggest is as follows. Let us do what the engineers have done have specialization: They have Bsc Electronic Engineering, BSC Mechanical Engineering, etc. We can have the same with a twist Instead of plain old Computer Science let's have
* Bsc Computer Science (Software Engineering) * Bsc Computer Science (Operating Systems) * Bsc Computer Science (Artificial Intelligence) * And so on What could be done is have the first one year have common fundamental courses that touch briefly on the core pillars of computer science -- the principles -- then from second year have the students specialize where they wish to go career wise.
2) With regards to languages taught, like many of my colleagues while i was at Uni I intensely resented C, C++ and Pascal as instruction languages and loudly wondered why were doing such archaic languages and not jumping straight to Java or C#. Of course with age comes wisdom and when using higher level languages now I know exactly how things work at a lower level. (At this point I shall digress and personalize issues and commend Ms Ronge and Mr Orwa because I can safely speak for my year when i say we learnt data structures and C programming whether we wanted to or not!) I would urge the team to resist the temptation/pressure to remove these languages as teaching languages as they teach many additional things besides the actual programming like analytic thinking, design and discipline. They will also appreciate how data structures we use every day work much better
However having said that, perhaps in third year something like Java or C# can be brought in as well.
3) Functional programming is (if i recall correctly) two units and yet there are many problems the industry is constantly facing especially today, most notably parallel programming, concurrency and mutability (Again, with age comes wisdom!) that functional programming addresses. If I recall correctly the instruction was in Scheme and Prolog. Perhaps this can be updated to use languages like F# or Python so that students can learn the concepts and apply them immediately in their day to day work
4) Industrial Attachment should be a course unit on its own
5) When it comes to programming all the effort goes into the actual code. Things like requirements gathering, documentation, design, testing, working as a team, source code control, commenting debugging etc are not touched on at all. As a result of these by the time a student who wants to program as a career is finished they have 4 years of appallingly bad habits and practices that need to undone for about 10-14 months (I've measured!) before they can be useful team members in the industry.
6) There needs to be greater synergy between industry and academia -- hopefully some of what i have suggested will improve this disconnect. Universities and industry need to set up some relationships with the industry so that skills and knowledge can be cross pollinated.
Regards
Conrad
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Dear All, It is nice having this discussion, some of my thoughts are below. · The kind of Computer Science graduate the market needs; in terms of knowledge and skills You realize that this field really changes first i.e. Languages maturing (getting simpler) by the day therefore a lot of hard coding will diminish. This leaves the students more with alignment of technology to business requirements. Considering this, it is of utmost importance for our institutions like UON to start modeling these students to be capable of interpreting the business requirements and what technology can provide. In my view, the current state promotes concentration on technology than providing business solutions (industry knowledge). The end result is having graduates who are detached from mainstream management and are therefore relegated to back office solution centres. We would want to see the graduates rise to become CEOs of companies or illustrious industry entrepreneurs. This can happen when our institutions start inculcating in the minds, strong business principles. If you asked me i would include management and entrepreneurship in the the curriculum. · The kind of courses you would recommend to be critical for this graduate Universities are knowledge centres so any temptation to be like a reed that dances with the wind should be avoided. We may not have a curriculum that addresses all the industry requirements lest we start teaching <experience!>. The curriculum should be premised on the industry fundamentals, we had narrow band now it is broadband. We had copper technology now we have fibre and it is bound to change, there is a danger in taking a reductionist approach.Sam Aguyo +++++++++++++++++++++++++
Sam, This is definitely great input to our curriculum review process. I totally agree with you; we for example have cases of very bright students with excellent system (software) development skills but who cannot market/manage their ideas! My colleagues are reading this and we intend to implement your suggestions. Thank you very much, Muthoni On 11/12/09 8:07 AM, "Sam Aguyo" <saguyo@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dear All,
It is nice having this discussion, some of my thoughts are below.
· The kind of Computer Science graduate the market needs; in terms of knowledge and skills You realize that this field really changes first i.e. Languages maturing (getting simpler) by the day therefore a lot of hard coding will diminish. This leaves the students more with alignment of technology to business requirements. Considering this, it is of utmost importance for our institutions like UON to start modeling these students to be capable of interpreting the business requirements and what technology can provide.
In my view, the current state promotes concentration on technology than providing business solutions (industry knowledge). The end result is having graduates who are detached from mainstream management and are therefore relegated to back office solution centres. We would want to see the graduates rise to become CEOs of companies or illustrious industry entrepreneurs. This can happen when our institutions start inculcating in the minds, strong business principles. If you asked me i would include management and entrepreneurship in the the curriculum.
· The kind of courses you would recommend to be critical for this graduate Universities are knowledge centres so any temptation to be like a reed that dances with the wind should be avoided. We may not have a curriculum that addresses all the industry requirements lest we start teaching <experience!>. The curriculum should be premised on the industry fundamentals, we had narrow band now it is broadband. We had copper technology now we have fibre and it is bound to change, there is a danger in taking a reductionist approach. Sam Aguyo +++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Dear Muthoni, Chris, Tim, Let me join those hailing this initiative. As an alumnus of ICS (albeit in the days when Dr Okello was still a dashing young man!) I owe a duty to give some input to your request and will certainly critically look at the syllabus you posted and revert to you off-list. In the interim I can only point out one general observation for this list: ICT graduates appear to be conspicuous by their absence from the ICT Public Policy space. Maybe you need a unit on ICT Public Policy formulation and advocacy which sensitises graduates on things like how to identify and follow through with ICT Public Policy issues. Internationally I have noticed that ICT Public Policy engagement is dominated by lawyers and people with legal background. In Kenya my guess is that it is dominated by civil society colleagues who are not necessarily ICT people. Most of the ICT people (some call them "techies") I come across are avers to brush with Public Policy and yet policy inevitably affects the way they discharge their contribution to society. BTW how come there appears to be no data base of ICS alumni contacts? I think you can build one and also think of an annual alumni meeting, perhaps in conjunction with the annual open day. Kind Regards, Waudo On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 13:04 +0300, "Muthoni Masinde" <muthoni@uonbi.ac.ke> wrote: Sam, This is definitely great input to our curriculum review process. I totally agree with you; we for example have cases of very bright students with excellent system (software) development skills but who cannot market/manage their ideas! My colleagues are reading this and we intend to implement your suggestions. Thank you very much, Muthoni On 11/12/09 8:07 AM, "Sam Aguyo" <saguyo@yahoo.com> wrote: Dear All, It is nice having this discussion, some of my thoughts are below. · The kind of Computer Science graduate the market needs; in terms of knowledge and skills You realize that this field really changes first i.e. Languages maturing (getting simpler) by the day therefore a lot of hard coding will diminish. This leaves the students more with alignment of technology to business requirements. Considering this, it is of utmost importance for our institutions like UON to start modeling these students to be capable of interpreting the business requirements and what technology can provide. In my view, the current state promotes concentration on technology than providing business solutions (industry knowledge). The end result is having graduates who are detached from mainstream management and are therefore relegated to back office solution centres. We would want to see the graduates rise to become CEOs of companies or illustrious industry entrepreneurs. This can happen when our institutions start inculcating in the minds, strong business principles. If you asked me i would include management and entrepreneurship in the the curriculum. · The kind of courses you would recommend to be critical for this graduate Universities are knowledge centres so any temptation to be like a reed that dances with the wind should be avoided. We may not have a curriculum that addresses all the industry requirements lest we start teaching <experience!>. The curriculum should be premised on the industry fundamentals, we had narrow band now it is broadband. We had copper technology now we have fibre and it is bound to change, there is a danger in taking a reductionist approach. Sam Aguyo +++++++++++++++++++++++++ ----------------------------------------- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner [1]<http://www.mailscanner.info/> , and is believed t o be clean. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ UNIVERSITY OF NAIROBI IS ISO CERTIFIED The University of Nairobi is committed to providing quality services to all its clients. The University will monitor and review its quality performance from time to time through an effective implementation of the Quality Management System based on ISO 9001:2008 standard. University of Nairobi Website: [2]http://www.uonbi.ac.ke/ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ----------------------------------------- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by [3]MailScanner, and is believed t o be clean. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ UNIVERSITY OF NAIROBI IS ISO CERTIFIED The University of Nairobi is committed to providing quality services to all its clients. The University will monitor and review its quality performance from time to time through an effective implementation of the Quality Management System based on ISO 9001:2008 standard. University of Nairobi Website: http://www.uonbi.ac.ke/ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ References 1. http://www.mailscanner.info/ 2. http://www.uonbi.ac.ke/ 3. http://www.mailscanner.info/
Sounds Good Eric, however good and Justice should be synonyms good does not make sense where there is no justice, if i am getting Kai right, Justice (fair play) needs to be done or should be there and this is where the regulator comes in, it would be good to hear their position on the matter since they were recently awarded accolades for setting a standard of excellence Regards On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 5:21 PM, <emko@internetresearch.com.gh> wrote:
Let those who do good persevere in their good doing not as an excuse for others not to do good but as leadership for the common good.
Eric here
We share our maps with TKL, the Municipalities, the Chiefs, the MoR, MoW …
It takes WILLINGNESS to use the information!
The procedure needs to be changed anyway. How come that another operator might still share with the OLD STATE OWNED ENTITIES but not with someone like KDN?
How come we show our maps to our competitor but they don’t show their maps to us?
Private companies still receive a second class treatment!
Kai
Von: kictanet-bounces+kai.wulff=kdn.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+kai.wulff <kictanet-bounces%2Bkai.wulff>= kdn.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] Im Auftrag von Barrack Otieno Gesendet: Sunday, November 08, 2009 15:37 An: kai.wulff@kdn.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Betreff: Re: [kictanet] Cable issues
Greetings Eric,
Thanks for your enlightening comments, the biggest challenge is that the kind of Information you are sharing should be availed at all levels in Society, at Chiefs Baraza's, Churches, anywhere where people congregate and can be educated since knowledge is power, looking through the eight sectors i can only say we are too ignorant, in short we must marshal resources and educate the public on the issues you have mentioned, Mulika Mwizi might help but it could be a short term measure, i was once taught that "he who knows why is always at the mercy of he who knows how", if we addressed the way we would not have situations where technicians from competing companies mess each others cables as i got it from Kai's post. Awareness is Key
On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 2:13 PM, Eric Aligula <jairah@kippra.or.ke> wrote:
Just to expand the discourse on the cable issues and place it into some wider perspective. As far back as 1997, the US Government identified eight sectors it deemed critical to the national security and the essential functioning of its economy. These were:
1. Telecommunications 2. Transportation 3. Water supply 4. Oil and gas production 5. Banking and finance 6. Electrical generation 7. Emergency services, and 8. Essential government functions
A President's Commission on Critical Infrastructure Protection ("PCCIP") in October 1997, highlighted the topic of critical infrastructures and made a series of specific recommendations for their protection.
What does this have to do with the issue of “cut cables”? At the height of the post election violence and in some incidents thereafter, the movement of produce and goods in Kenya became a serious issue. In fact as a consequence, ALL of the neighbouring countries are actively identifying and developing alternative access routes for their products and services. Kenya Vision 2030 is predicated on an export led growth strategy that is and will be heavily dependent not only on networked transport services, but also on the fibre optic cable. The investment in transport and ICT infrastructure are premised on the desire to establish Kenya as the region's preeminent communications hub. The assurance that Kenya can and will consistent, reliable and affordable access to these critical infrastructures is critical to achieving these goals.
It is thus important that players in the ICT Sector team up with other sectors to insist on the development of a national, perhaps East African wide Critical Infrastructure Protection Policy complete with accompanying reviews and enhancements in the legal and institutional frameworks. It is the only consistent way through which we shall be able to ensure security for investments so expensively and patiently built.
A piecemeal approach will work for a short while and we shall be firefighting to eternity. The effort should focus on a comprehensive intervention, while obviously dealing with the issues in the short term.
My two cents worth.
Kind regards
Eric
-----Original Message----- From: kai wulff [mailto:kai.wulff@kdn.co.ke] Sent: Fri 06/11/2009 22:14 To: Eric Aligula Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' Subject: AW: [kictanet] Cable issues
It would help if we could get our day in court. Vandalism is one thing, negligence another. We as Operators spend huge amounts on staff we attach to contractors to make sure they don't destroy our cable plant .. If they do, we never get compensated. Taking them to court takes years and you might only get awarded the cost of the cable plus the labor ..
Frustrated
Kai
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Von: kictanet-bounces+kai.wulff=kdn.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+kai.wulff <kictanet-bounces%2Bkai.wulff>= kdn.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] Im
Auftrag von jairah@kippra.or.ke Gesendet: Friday, November 06, 2009 20:40 An: kai.wulff@kdn.co.ke
Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
Betreff: Re: [kictanet] Cable issues
Colleagues
What I would suggest is to have a law to protect critical infrastructure from vagabonds such as those that destroy cables and other infrastructure that we need to sustain the enabling environment for doing business. The penalties this guys receive are a joke and the law needs to target the entire value chain, at least on the Kenyan perhaps East African side.
Kind regards
Eric Aligula Sent from my BlackBerry®
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Barrack Otieno -
Catherine Adeya -
emko＠internetresearch.com.gh -
godera＠skyweb.co.ke -
Harry Delano -
Martin Njuguna-Digital Vision -
Muthoni Masinde -
n_macharia＠yahoo.co.uk -
Okoth Washington -
Phares Kariuki -
Rad! -
Sam Aguyo -
Tuma Barua -
Walubengo J -
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