Re: [kictanet] Kenya's Peculiar Business Environment
I am sorry guys; I have kept quiet as I have watched this debate go on. But now it is bordering on sub-judice and defamation, given the implications some are making. I would ask that we keep this site to comments on policy and information that would enrich us as practitioners in ICT. It takes away from our discussions when we start to makes comments that have no basis on fact and which we really know nothing about. Having said that I must say that when facts have been used well, I have benefited a lot from the information given here and even from some of the criticism and suggestions made. Clare Ruto -----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+ruto.c=ke.celtel.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+ruto.c=ke.celtel.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of badru Ntege Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 9:58 AM To: Claire RUTO Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya's Peculiar Business Environment Bill Kagai wrote:
So the lawyer's reason must have been genuine, not a pretext. I've seen some calculations on the amounts the country loses as a result of the traffic jams. The figure, per year, was more than the 2bn taxman is chasing!
Blimey....Man..r u serious??!!! For a 2 billion brief..I would stay at Intercontinental 2 nights in advance if traffic were to mess me up!!! This joke has to stop. Its killing me.
Man i have very little trust in lawyers though in my darkest moment i know they might be the only rescue. However one could have another look at the situation in that the gains for one party were obviuosly understandable 2 Billion and all the other party had to do was not turn up. Could there have been some agreement ?? What time did the lawyer set off for court ?? How long has he been doing that journey ?? was there something unusual that morning that the traffic was too much ??? In these days of ICT did the lawyer call ahead and inform court of his problem ?? If he so did why was the case still thrown out ?? I'm sorry i just think this is too obvious that if we just let it be we allow ourselves as Africans to be ridiculed for corruption and incompetence. No lawyer is that dump or are they ??? Or do they think we are all too dump and stupid that we let it go. Guys I'm sorry but i smell a FAT ROTTEN RAT. I don't buy the traffic storry pull the other one matey. My 2 cents _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: ruto.c@ke.celtel.com Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/ruto.c%40ke.celtel. com This e-mail contains confidential information or information belonging to Celtel Kenya Limited and is intended solely for the addressee. The opinions therein, explicit or implied, are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Celtel Kenya Limited as a company. The unauthorized disclosure, use, dissemination or copying ( in whole or in part) of this e-mail, or any information it contains, is prohibited. E-mails are susceptible to alteration and their integrity cannot be guaranteed. Celtel KenyaLimited shall not be liable for this e-mail if modified or falsified. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, please delete it immediately from your system and notify the sender of the wrong delivery and the e-mail deletion.
Apologies never meant to offend generalized questions not directed anywhere. I hereby withdraw my questions and curiosity on the matter. Though still wonder whether my comments were out of context for this forum. If so once again accept my apologies, and left to wonder how far one might express an opinion without supposedly crossing some line. I raised questions looking for answers ?? .....but it seems that is none of my business. Curios to hear from anyone else on this. my .005 cents Claire RUTO wrote:
I am sorry guys; I have kept quiet as I have watched this debate go on. But now it is bordering on sub-judice and defamation, given the implications some are making.
I would ask that we keep this site to comments on policy and information that would enrich us as practitioners in ICT. It takes away from our discussions when we start to makes comments that have no basis on fact and which we really know nothing about.
Having said that I must say that when facts have been used well, I have benefited a lot from the information given here and even from some of the criticism and suggestions made.
Clare Ruto
-----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+ruto.c=ke.celtel.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+ruto.c=ke.celtel.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of badru Ntege Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 9:58 AM To: Claire RUTO Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya's Peculiar Business Environment
Bill Kagai wrote:
So the lawyer's reason must have been genuine, not a pretext. I've seen some calculations on the amounts the country loses as a result of the traffic jams. The figure, per year, was more than the 2bn taxman is chasing!
Blimey....Man..r u serious??!!! For a 2 billion brief..I would stay at Intercontinental 2 nights in advance if traffic were to mess me up!!! This joke has to stop. Its killing me.
Man i have very little trust in lawyers though in my darkest moment i know they might be the only rescue. However one could have another look
at the situation in that the gains for one party were obviuosly understandable 2 Billion and all the other party had to do was not turn up. Could there have been some agreement ?? What time did the lawyer set off for court ?? How long has he been doing that journey ?? was there something unusual that morning that the traffic was too much ???
In these days of ICT did the lawyer call ahead and inform court of his problem ?? If he so did why was the case still thrown out ??
I'm sorry i just think this is too obvious that if we just let it be we allow ourselves as Africans to be ridiculed for corruption and incompetence. No lawyer is that dump or are they ??? Or do they think we are all too dump and stupid that we let it go. Guys I'm sorry but i smell a FAT ROTTEN RAT. I don't buy the traffic storry pull the other one matey.
My 2 cents
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As the juggernaut ;-) that started this thread, I feel 'directly nominated' to put all these extracts into context for closure sake. It started with a South African Newspaper writing about KDN buy-out which the CEO denied of any such knowledge, Safaricom IPO court cases and consequent appeal, the Mega scandal of Telkom where Kenyans were to lose 420 billion, the late lawyer, the lawyers who failed to attend court in time...and...even for micro-businesses like mine being reported that we were in conspiracy with NSE in organising for the public gallery to be shut down. Citing the alcohol industry, NABAK (National Alcohol Beverages Association of Kenya), I am hoping that Kictanet will borrow a leaf and 'hold brief' on our behalf in clarifying the misnomers being created in the ICT industry by the neophytes. http://www.bdafrica.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1859&Itemid=5822 -- Bildad Kagai MD - MediaCorp Limited Nairobi Stock Exchange [NSE] - Authorised Information Vendor Suite B2 Tetu Apartments StateHouse Avenue P. O. Box 20311-00200 Tel. 254 20 272 8332 Fax. Rendered Obsolete URL. www.mediacorpafrica.com --
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