Europe and US to meet on .xxx and new TLDs
*http://domainincite.com/europe-and-us-to-meet-on-xxx-and-new-tlds/ * * European Commissioner Neelie Kroes is to meet with the US Department of Commerce, a month after she asked it to delay the launch of the .xxx top-level domain.* Tomorrow, Kroes will meet with Larry Strickling, assistant secretary of the National Telecommunications and Information Administration, according to a press release <http://europa.eu/rapid/showInformation.do?pageName=middayExpress&guiLanguage=en>:This follows the controversial decision of the ICANN Board in March to approve the ".XXX" Top Level Domain for adult content. Ms Kroes will make clear European views on ICANN's capacity to reform. In particular, Ms Kroes will raise ICANN's responsiveness to governments raising public policy concerns in the ICANN Governmental Advisory Council [Committee] (GAC) , the transparency and accountability of ICANN's internal corporate governance and the handling of country-code Top Level Domains for its most concerned public authorities. In April, Kroes asked Strickling's boss, Commerce Secretary Gary Locke, to put a hold <http://domainincite.com/europe-did-ask-the-us-to-delay-xxx/> on the addition of .xxx to the domain name system root until the GAC had chance to discuss it further. Strickling declined <http://domainincite.com/did-europe-ask-america-to-block-xxx/>, saying that for the US to take unilateral action over the root would provide ammunition to its critics in the international community. The US and EC are two of the most active and vocal participants in the GAC -- at least in public. Whatever conclusions Strickling and Kroes come to tomorrow are likely to form the basis of the GAC's short-term strategy as negotiations about new TLDs continue. ICANN's board is scheduled to meet with the GAC on May 20, for an attempt to come to some final conclusions about the new gTLD program, particularly in relation to trademark protection. ICANN wants to approve the program's Applicant Guidebook on June 20, but is likely to face resistance from governments, especially the US. Strickling has indicated that he may use the upcoming renewal of ICANN's IANA contract as leverage <http://domainincite.com/us-wants-to-delay-new-tlds/> to get the GAC a stronger voice in ICANN's decision-making process. <http://domainincite.com/europe-and-us-to-meet-on-xxx-and-new-tlds/> --
Alice, On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 6:22 PM, Alice Munyua <alice@apc.org> wrote:
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European Commissioner Neelie Kroes is to meet with the US Department of Commerce, a month after she asked it to delay the launch of the .xxx top-level domain.
Is this not highly ironic? Wouldn't she be screaming bloody murder if the US decided, unilaterally, to do this (or something similar) to the rootzone? The fact is that the ICANN Board could make no other decision on .xxx due to the results of the arbitration on it, factoring in a lack of GAC consensus on the issue. The ICANN Board bent over backwards to please the GAC on this one, to no avail. At the very least, this serves as a wake up call to the GAC that they aren't in control of ICANN decisions. -- Cheers, McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
Dear Mctim, I can't agree more with you. Hopefully, one can only expect that the next MOU to be signed between DoC and ICANN reflects more powers to the GAC! rgds Pierre On 5/11/11, McTim <dogwallah@gmail.com> wrote:
Alice,
On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 6:22 PM, Alice Munyua <alice@apc.org> wrote:
http://domainincite.com/europe-and-us-to-meet-on-xxx-and-new-tlds/
European Commissioner Neelie Kroes is to meet with the US Department of Commerce, a month after she asked it to delay the launch of the .xxx top-level domain.
Is this not highly ironic? Wouldn't she be screaming bloody murder if the US decided, unilaterally, to do this (or something similar) to the rootzone?
The fact is that the ICANN Board could make no other decision on .xxx due to the results of the arbitration on it, factoring in a lack of GAC consensus on the issue. The ICANN Board bent over backwards to please the GAC on this one, to no avail.
At the very least, this serves as a wake up call to the GAC that they aren't in control of ICANN decisions.
-- Cheers,
McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
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<offlist> Hhi Pierre, On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 11:06 PM, Dandjinou Pierre <pdandjinou@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Mctim,
I can't agree more with you. Hopefully, one can only expect that the next MOU to be signed between DoC and ICANN reflects more powers to the GAC!
Actually, I hope that the IANA would float free of all governmental control, either US or multilateral! -- Cheers, McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
Alice, McTim et al. Plse bring us upto speed on the what is the beef here. My recollection is that the .xxx top level domain (for Pornographic content) was previously vetoed by the Bush (Jnr) government(?) but somewhat the Obama administration seems to have favored it and by extension ICANN - has finally and procedurally filled the intention to implement it (?). So what's with the EU request to delay the implementation? Is it that the EU is now backtracking on the .xxx domain? And I wonder what is the general "African" position (if there ever was one) on this whole issue? walu. --- On Wed, 5/11/11, Dandjinou Pierre <pdandjinou@gmail.com> wrote: From: Dandjinou Pierre <pdandjinou@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Europe and US to meet on .xxx and new TLDs To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Wednesday, May 11, 2011, 11:06 PM Dear Mctim, I can't agree more with you. Hopefully, one can only expect that the next MOU to be signed between DoC and ICANN reflects more powers to the GAC! rgds Pierre On 5/11/11, McTim <dogwallah@gmail.com> wrote:
Alice,
On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 6:22 PM, Alice Munyua <alice@apc.org> wrote:
http://domainincite.com/europe-and-us-to-meet-on-xxx-and-new-tlds/
European Commissioner Neelie Kroes is to meet with the US Department of Commerce, a month after she asked it to delay the launch of the .xxx top-level domain.
Is this not highly ironic? Wouldn't she be screaming bloody murder if the US decided, unilaterally, to do this (or something similar) to the rootzone?
The fact is that the ICANN Board could make no other decision on .xxx due to the results of the arbitration on it, factoring in a lack of GAC consensus on the issue. The ICANN Board bent over backwards to please the GAC on this one, to no avail.
At the very least, this serves as a wake up call to the GAC that they aren't in control of ICANN decisions.
-- Cheers,
McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
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Walu, On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 8:44 AM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
Alice, McTim et al.
Plse bring us upto speed on the what is the beef here.
The beef here is about who gets the final say about what goes in the rootzone. That responsibility lies with ICANN and its constituent Supporting Organisations, but ultimately with the Board of Trustees of ICANN. Many in the GAC think they should have veto power of the BoT, and some think they already do have this power.
My recollection is that the .xxx top level domain (for Pornographic content) was previously vetoed by the Bush (Jnr) government(?)
not the case. An earlier ICANN Board approved .xxx. Later, the GAC asked for a delay and ultimately sought to overturn this earlier Board decision (lots of pressure by the Bushies here, yes) and the issue went to binding arbitration. ICANN was told by the arbitration that they had to allow .xxx, and so they did, eventually despite the GAC not being able to articulate what they wanted in a timely manner.
but somewhat the Obama administration seems to have favored it
also not correct, the DoC of the Obama admin has made lots of noises against .xxx.
and by extension ICANN - has finally and procedurally filled the intention to implement it (?).
.xxx is in the rootzone and hence live on the internet.
So what's with the EU request to delay the implementation?
Well it is too late for that. Politics I guess??
Is it that the EU is now backtracking on the .xxx domain?
I think they have had reservations about it all along, so no, not backtracking. Just trying to assert authority they don't have, and that they KNOW the US won't exercise (and they have said in the past that they don't want the US to exercise it).
And I wonder what is the general "African" position (if there ever was one) on this whole issue?
I imagine most GAC folks from Africa would be against it. IIRC, there are several on this list, perhaps they can speak up? -- Cheers, McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
Thank you McTim. Indeed, ICANN board approved XXX after nearly 7 years of discussions and counter discussions and finally being forced to adhere to its own policies. This experience has again highlighted the importance of getting the rules/policies for introduction of new gTLDS right. Most governments are very unhappy with dot xxx and a great number of concerns expressed with the proposed guidelines for applications for new gTLDs, contained in the draft applicant guide. And while the EU's request is a departure from its long held support for limited interference what the EU is essentially also saying is, we need to get those rules/policies right. Best, Alice
On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 8:44 AM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com <mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com>> wrote:
Alice, McTim et al.
Plse bring us upto speed on the what is the beef here.
The beef here is about who gets the final say about what goes in the rootzone. That responsibility lies with ICANN and its constituent Supporting Organisations, but ultimately with the Board of Trustees of ICANN. Many in the GAC think they should have veto power of the BoT, and some think they already do have this power.
My recollection is that the .xxx top level domain (for Pornographic content) was previously vetoed by the Bush (Jnr) government(?)
not the case. An earlier ICANN Board approved .xxx. Later, the GAC asked for a delay and ultimately sought to overturn this earlier Board decision (lots of pressure by the Bushies here, yes) and the issue went to binding arbitration. ICANN was told by the arbitration that they had to allow .xxx, and so they did, eventually despite the GAC not being able to articulate what they wanted in a timely manner.
but somewhat the Obama administration seems to have favored it
also not correct, the DoC of the Obama admin has made lots of noises against .xxx.
and by extension ICANN - has finally and procedurally filled the intention to implement it (?).
.xxx is in the rootzone and hence live on the internet.
So what's with the EU request to delay the implementation?
Well it is too late for that. Politics I guess??
Is it that the EU is now backtracking on the .xxx domain?
I think they have had reservations about it all along, so no, not backtracking. Just trying to assert authority they don't have, and that they KNOW the US won't exercise (and they have said in the past that they don't want the US to exercise it).
And I wonder what is the general "African" position (if there ever was one) on this whole issue?
I imagine most GAC folks from Africa would be against it.
IIRC, there are several on this list, perhaps they can speak up?
-- Cheers,
McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
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Alice, On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 10:47 PM, Alice Munyua <alice@apc.org> wrote:
Thank you McTim. Indeed, ICANN board approved XXX after nearly 7 years of discussions and counter discussions and finally being forced to adhere to its own policies. This experience has again highlighted the importance of getting the rules/policies for introduction of new gTLDS right.
Most governments are very unhappy with dot xxx and a great number of concerns expressed with the proposed guidelines for applications for new gTLDs, contained in the draft applicant guide. And while the EU's request is a departure from its long held support for limited interference what the EU is essentially also saying is, we need to get those rules/policies right.
Of course, the "right" policies are a matter of opinion. I'd be happy to NOT have new gTLDs, but that battle was lost long ago. They have had their meeting, and predictably, sabers were rattled: http://news.dot-nxt.com/2011/05/13/kroes-strickling-meeting-summary -- Cheers, McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
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