Adam, Sorry if come out so blunt... But I find the tone of some communications striking as "Master to slave" directives.. Not embrasing at all. I just had to say it and won't respond to any fire I may cause here:-) ------------------------------ On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 11:45 AM MSK Adam Nelson wrote:
What's the status with 4G these days in Kenya? Is it totally stalled?
I just found out that Uganda offers 4G from at least one carrier with 2 or more on the way shortly.
Since I can't seem to convince many people on this list to be Internationalists, maybe I can at least appeal to raw national competition to spur movement by the Kenyan authorities/telecoms to catch up to Uganda?
Cheers, Adam -- Kili - Cloud for Africa: kili.io Musings: twitter.com/varud <https://twitter.com/varud> More Musings: varud.com About Adam: www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson
What would 4G be for? Granted faster speeds are always good news but the current 3G capacity is yet to be overwhelmed. Only Safaricom covers the hinterland and at that sparingly. I don't immediately see a reason to jump ontu the 4G bandwagon other than bragging rights. I would be more interested in getting fiber into every building on the national power grid. @ict researcher exactly what is Adam a master of inorder to issue directives? On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 12:09 PM, ICT Researcher <ict.researcher@yahoo.com>wrote:
Adam,
Sorry if come out so blunt...
But I find the tone of some communications striking as "Master to slave" directives..
Not embrasing at all. I just had to say it and won't respond to any fire I may cause here:-)
------------------------------ On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 11:45 AM MSK Adam Nelson wrote:
What's the status with 4G these days in Kenya? Is it totally stalled?
I just found out that Uganda offers 4G from at least one carrier with 2 or more on the way shortly.
Since I can't seem to convince many people on this list to be Internationalists, maybe I can at least appeal to raw national competition to spur movement by the Kenyan authorities/telecoms to catch up to Uganda?
Cheers, Adam -- Kili - Cloud for Africa: kili.io Musings: twitter.com/varud <https://twitter.com/varud> More Musings: varud.com About Adam: www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson
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Adam, Because of the limited spectrum, CCK had sought a joint approach, a consortium of sorts similar to TEAMS to rollout LTE. But some of the players are apprehensive about this and want to go it alone. Ericsson had also offered to build it with no payment upfront but I don't know what came of that. I tend to suspect that the fiber rollout by Safaricom is meant to anticipate its rollout of an LTE network backhauled by this cable it is rolling out across the country. But that's just my guess. James On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 12:09 PM, ICT Researcher <ict.researcher@yahoo.com>wrote:
Adam,
Sorry if come out so blunt...
But I find the tone of some communications striking as "Master to slave" directives..
Not embrasing at all. I just had to say it and won't respond to any fire I may cause here:-)
------------------------------ On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 11:45 AM MSK Adam Nelson wrote:
What's the status with 4G these days in Kenya? Is it totally stalled?
I just found out that Uganda offers 4G from at least one carrier with 2 or more on the way shortly.
Since I can't seem to convince many people on this list to be Internationalists, maybe I can at least appeal to raw national competition to spur movement by the Kenyan authorities/telecoms to catch up to Uganda?
Cheers, Adam -- Kili - Cloud for Africa: kili.io Musings: twitter.com/varud <https://twitter.com/varud> More Musings: varud.com About Adam: www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson
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@James, thanks for the info. @Mark, LTE is not just about higher bandwidth, it's also about lower latency and lower per-MB costs in the future. @ICT Researcher, your point is well taken and it's the type of thing that I think about whenever I write to this list. It's the same reason that you'll notice no Europeans or Americans ever respond to notes complaining about the state of ICT in Kenya (even though the list has many of them) - they're afraid they'll be accused of racism. I personally think that there is no fundamental reason that the Kenyan ICT sector can't compete with those of other countries so I try to just say it like I see it. The lack of 4G being on the roadmap is bad for the country's ICT future, the lack of ability to hire foreign workers is bad for the entire corporate sector, etc... and if people don't complain, nothing will change. And if you reduce the number of people allowed to complain to only those who were born here - then even less will happen. -- Kili - Cloud for Africa: kili.io Musings: twitter.com/varud <https://twitter.com/varud> More Musings: varud.com About Adam: www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 12:26 PM, James Mbugua <jgmbugua@gmail.com> wrote:
Adam,
Because of the limited spectrum, CCK had sought a joint approach, a consortium of sorts similar to TEAMS to rollout LTE. But some of the players are apprehensive about this and want to go it alone. Ericsson had also offered to build it with no payment upfront but I don't know what came of that.
I tend to suspect that the fiber rollout by Safaricom is meant to anticipate its rollout of an LTE network backhauled by this cable it is rolling out across the country. But that's just my guess.
James
On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 12:09 PM, ICT Researcher <ict.researcher@yahoo.com
wrote:
Adam,
Sorry if come out so blunt...
But I find the tone of some communications striking as "Master to slave" directives..
Not embrasing at all. I just had to say it and won't respond to any fire I may cause here:-)
------------------------------ On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 11:45 AM MSK Adam Nelson wrote:
What's the status with 4G these days in Kenya? Is it totally stalled?
I just found out that Uganda offers 4G from at least one carrier with 2 or more on the way shortly.
Since I can't seem to convince many people on this list to be Internationalists, maybe I can at least appeal to raw national competition to spur movement by the Kenyan authorities/telecoms to catch up to Uganda?
Cheers, Adam -- Kili - Cloud for Africa: kili.io Musings: twitter.com/varud <https://twitter.com/varud> More Musings: varud.com About Adam: www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson
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Adam, You are a great asset when you offer criticism with accompanying solutions. If we cannot handle the truth, then we can only remain mediocre )=: Suggest you read the "Clash of Civilizations" (1996) by the late Samuel Huntington. The intelligent bigot that he was (is in heaven?), accurately noted the role of faith/beliefs in molding cultures. It helped me understand why the West has very little chance (in the near future) of countering Asia/China in Africa. It mentioned Africa very little, in passing, clearly reflecting Western ignorance/indifference to Dark Skinned Africans. He believed, if not checked, Terrorism + African refugee/hoards would compromise the prosperity of the EU/West. Of course, time is proving, liberal values are destroying the West, not desperate HIV infected African refugees http://www.forbes.com/sites/joelkotkin/2012/05/30/whats-really-behind-europe... http://www.forbes.com/sites/markadomanis/2013/11/21/large-parts-of-the-europ... You can take this to the bank, decent Africans with strong family values, are building ethical businesses over generations, not decades :) Regards Murigi / Stanley Muraya *"Better a patient person than a warrior, one with self-control than one who takes a city." Prov 16:32* On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 1:51 PM, Adam Nelson <adam@varud.com> wrote:
@James, thanks for the info.
@Mark, LTE is not just about higher bandwidth, it's also about lower latency and lower per-MB costs in the future.
@ICT Researcher, your point is well taken and it's the type of thing that I think about whenever I write to this list. It's the same reason that you'll notice no Europeans or Americans ever respond to notes complaining about the state of ICT in Kenya (even though the list has many of them) - they're afraid they'll be accused of racism. I personally think that there is no fundamental reason that the Kenyan ICT sector can't compete with those of other countries so I try to just say it like I see it. The lack of 4G being on the roadmap is bad for the country's ICT future, the lack of ability to hire foreign workers is bad for the entire corporate sector, etc... and if people don't complain, nothing will change. And if you reduce the number of people allowed to complain to only those who were born here - then even less will happen.
-- Kili - Cloud for Africa: kili.io Musings: twitter.com/varud <https://twitter.com/varud> More Musings: varud.com About Adam: www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson
On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 12:26 PM, James Mbugua <jgmbugua@gmail.com> wrote:
Adam,
Because of the limited spectrum, CCK had sought a joint approach, a consortium of sorts similar to TEAMS to rollout LTE. But some of the players are apprehensive about this and want to go it alone. Ericsson had also offered to build it with no payment upfront but I don't know what came of that.
I tend to suspect that the fiber rollout by Safaricom is meant to anticipate its rollout of an LTE network backhauled by this cable it is rolling out across the country. But that's just my guess.
James
On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 12:09 PM, ICT Researcher < ict.researcher@yahoo.com> wrote:
Adam,
Sorry if come out so blunt...
But I find the tone of some communications striking as "Master to slave" directives..
Not embrasing at all. I just had to say it and won't respond to any fire I may cause here:-)
------------------------------ On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 11:45 AM MSK Adam Nelson wrote:
What's the status with 4G these days in Kenya? Is it totally stalled?
I just found out that Uganda offers 4G from at least one carrier with 2 or more on the way shortly.
Since I can't seem to convince many people on this list to be Internationalists, maybe I can at least appeal to raw national competition to spur movement by the Kenyan authorities/telecoms to catch up to Uganda?
Cheers, Adam -- Kili - Cloud for Africa: kili.io Musings: twitter.com/varud <https://twitter.com/varud> More Musings: varud.com About Adam: www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson
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Adam Well said. Personally I sincerely hope that you won't be put out by some of the remarks that I'm certain are supposed to 'test' your commitment to this country. :) Having said that I do know that the business community and the government are working hard towards harmonizing and make sense of the regime that is the immigration act. Ali Hussein +254 0770 906375 / 0713 601113 "I fear the day technology will surpass human interaction. The world will have a generation of idiots". ~ Albert Einstein Sent from my iPad
On Jan 20, 2014, at 1:51 PM, Adam Nelson <adam@varud.com> wrote:
@James, thanks for the info.
@Mark, LTE is not just about higher bandwidth, it's also about lower latency and lower per-MB costs in the future.
@ICT Researcher, your point is well taken and it's the type of thing that I think about whenever I write to this list. It's the same reason that you'll notice no Europeans or Americans ever respond to notes complaining about the state of ICT in Kenya (even though the list has many of them) - they're afraid they'll be accused of racism. I personally think that there is no fundamental reason that the Kenyan ICT sector can't compete with those of other countries so I try to just say it like I see it. The lack of 4G being on the roadmap is bad for the country's ICT future, the lack of ability to hire foreign workers is bad for the entire corporate sector, etc... and if people don't complain, nothing will change. And if you reduce the number of people allowed to complain to only those who were born here - then even less will happen.
-- Kili - Cloud for Africa: kili.io Musings: twitter.com/varud More Musings: varud.com About Adam: www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson
On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 12:26 PM, James Mbugua <jgmbugua@gmail.com> wrote: Adam,
Because of the limited spectrum, CCK had sought a joint approach, a consortium of sorts similar to TEAMS to rollout LTE. But some of the players are apprehensive about this and want to go it alone. Ericsson had also offered to build it with no payment upfront but I don't know what came of that.
I tend to suspect that the fiber rollout by Safaricom is meant to anticipate its rollout of an LTE network backhauled by this cable it is rolling out across the country. But that's just my guess.
James
On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 12:09 PM, ICT Researcher <ict.researcher@yahoo.com> wrote:
Adam,
Sorry if come out so blunt...
But I find the tone of some communications striking as "Master to slave" directives..
Not embrasing at all. I just had to say it and won't respond to any fire I may cause here:-)
------------------------------ On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 11:45 AM MSK Adam Nelson wrote:
What's the status with 4G these days in Kenya? Is it totally stalled?
I just found out that Uganda offers 4G from at least one carrier with 2 or more on the way shortly.
Since I can't seem to convince many people on this list to be Internationalists, maybe I can at least appeal to raw national competition to spur movement by the Kenyan authorities/telecoms to catch up to Uganda?
Cheers, Adam -- Kili - Cloud for Africa: kili.io Musings: twitter.com/varud <https://twitter.com/varud> More Musings: varud.com About Adam: www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson
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