Today I received a promotional sms from the "YES" campaign. Can Safaricom explain how our phone numbers were leaked? Edith
They are not the only ones. Even this amorphous 6969 promotion somehow got hold of people's numbers. It's high time some sort of law was passed protecting customer information along the lines of the UK Data Protection Act On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 8:24 PM, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.or.ke> wrote:
Today I received a promotional sms from the "YES" campaign. Can Safaricom explain how our phone numbers were leaked?
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With the registration of SIM cards, won't even more information be leaked? Edith ________________________________________ From: Rad! [conradakunga@gmail.com] Sent: 15 July 2010 20:27 To: Edith Adera Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Privacy vs National Interest They are not the only ones. Even this amorphous 6969 promotion somehow got hold of people's numbers. It's high time some sort of law was passed protecting customer information along the lines of the UK Data Protection Act On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 8:24 PM, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.or.ke> wrote:
Today I received a promotional sms from the "YES" campaign. Can Safaricom explain how our phone numbers were leaked?
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I also got the SMS yet I have never subscribed to any SMS referendum service. Strangely the country code of the sender seems to be from Sweden. Harry Karanja H Director SoftLaw Limited Genius Executive Centre 15th Floor View Park Towers Utalii Lane Nairobi CBD Tel: +254 20 342 225 -----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+kairo=softlaw.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+kairo=softlaw.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Edith Adera Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 8:32 PM To: kairo@softlaw.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Privacy vs National Interest With the registration of SIM cards, won't even more information be leaked? Edith ________________________________________ From: Rad! [conradakunga@gmail.com] Sent: 15 July 2010 20:27 To: Edith Adera Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Privacy vs National Interest They are not the only ones. Even this amorphous 6969 promotion somehow got hold of people's numbers. It's high time some sort of law was passed protecting customer information along the lines of the UK Data Protection Act On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 8:24 PM, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.or.ke> wrote:
Today I received a promotional sms from the "YES" campaign. Can Safaricom explain how our phone numbers were leaked?
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On 15 July 2010 20:36, Harry Karanja <kairo@softlaw.co.ke> wrote:
I also got the SMS yet I have never subscribed to any SMS referendum service. Strangely the country code of the sender seems to be from Sweden.
Maybe they are using Safaricom's network because it's colour is green, as I have not received such a promotion from my Zain line.
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With the registration of SIM cards, won't even more information be leaked?
Edith ________________________________________ From: Rad! [conradakunga@gmail.com] Sent: 15 July 2010 20:27 To: Edith Adera Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Privacy vs National Interest
They are not the only ones. Even this amorphous 6969 promotion somehow got hold of people's numbers.
It's high time some sort of law was passed protecting customer information along the lines of the UK Data Protection Act
On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 8:24 PM, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.or.ke> wrote:
Today I received a promotional sms from the "YES" campaign. Can Safaricom explain how our phone numbers were leaked?
Edith
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I called Safaricom the same day I received the sms from YEScampaign and they said that , the sender had sent out a broadcast message, i.e 072200001 -whatever number Those of you who work for the Telcos, does this mean anybody can buy bulk sms and broadcast to us anytime? On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 8:57 PM, Solomon Mburu Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com>wrote:
On 15 July 2010 20:36, Harry Karanja <kairo@softlaw.co.ke> wrote:
I also got the SMS yet I have never subscribed to any SMS referendum service. Strangely the country code of the sender seems to be from Sweden.
Maybe they are using Safaricom's network because it's colour is green, as I have not received such a promotion from my Zain line.
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With the registration of SIM cards, won't even more information be leaked?
Edith ________________________________________ From: Rad! [conradakunga@gmail.com] Sent: 15 July 2010 20:27 To: Edith Adera Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Privacy vs National Interest
They are not the only ones. Even this amorphous 6969 promotion somehow got hold of people's numbers.
It's high time some sort of law was passed protecting customer information along the lines of the UK Data Protection Act
On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 8:24 PM, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.or.ke> wrote:
Today I received a promotional sms from the "YES" campaign. Can Safaricom explain how our phone numbers were leaked?
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I am not sure the numbers were leaked, I think it's a paid for promotion. I am out of the country at the moment but will find out Kind Regards Michael Sent from my iPad On 15 Jul 2010, at 19:27, "Edith Adera" <eadera@idrc.or.ke> wrote:
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I am on the green network but my referendum choice is Melon, nevertheless I have not received the promotion. Is it possible Edith you subscribed to some sort of service? MJ should clarify if sending promotional material from third parties is part of the terms of service "fineprint" that users of the service are bound by On 7/15/10, Michael Joseph <MJoseph@safaricom.co.ke> wrote:
I am not sure the numbers were leaked, I think it's a paid for promotion. I am out of the country at the moment but will find out
Kind Regards
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Hey All,
recall this my statement during the IG discussions and I quote:
>>the data on mobile registration is definately at the telcos...and in the absence of Data Protection Act
which would define how that data is to be used, secured and accessed we
are indeed at the mercy of the Telcos. Put more vividly, here is what
I could (maliciously) do with data at the telcos(or even in government)
in the absence of legal protection.
1. I could sell the data to foreign marketing companys (some
marketing companies are willing to pay 1Ksh per record and if you have
18million records you can see the tempting mathematics) >>>cut
So my friends in the absence of a Data Protection Act, the data you submit to the telcos is at their disposal and will be managed as per their own internal data-protection rules. If you dont like the effects of their internal rules, the only recourse you have is to throw away your sim-card...going to the competitor wont help because the same legal framework (or lack of it) applies...
walu.
nb: @lordmwesh pre-paid customers have NO contract with the telcos - so there are indeed no "fine print" available to apply ;-)
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I am on the green network but my referendum choice is Melon,
nevertheless I have not received the promotion.
Is it possible Edith you subscribed to some sort of service?
MJ should clarify if sending promotional material from third parties
is part of the terms of service "fineprint" that users of the service
are bound by
On 7/15/10, Michael Joseph <MJoseph@safaricom.co.ke> wrote:
> I am not sure the numbers were leaked, I think it's a paid for promotion. I
> am out of the country at the moment but will find out
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> Kind Regards
>
> Michael
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> Sent from my iPad
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>> Today I received a promotional sms from the "YES" campaign. Can Safaricom
>> explain how our phone numbers were leaked?
>>
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>> Edith
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mmm...paid up service. What about the rights of the consumer? Edith ________________ Edith Ofwona Adera Senior Program Specialist ICT4D Program International Development Research Centre | Centre de recherches pour le développement international Regional Office for Eastern and Southern Africa Tel: +254202713160 | Fax/Téléc: +254202711063 | Skype: edithadera eadera@idrc.or.ke<mailto:eadera@idrc.or.ke> | www.idrc.ca<http://www.idrc.ca/> | www.crdi.ca<http://www.crdi.ca/> ________________________________ From: Michael Joseph [MJoseph@Safaricom.co.ke] Sent: 15 July 2010 21:00 To: Edith Adera Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Privacy vs National Interest I am not sure the numbers were leaked, I think it's a paid for promotion. I am out of the country at the moment but will find out Kind Regards Michael Sent from my iPad On 15 Jul 2010, at 19:27, "Edith Adera" <eadera@idrc.or.ke<mailto:eadera@idrc.or.ke>> wrote: Today I received a promotional sms from the "YES" campaign. Can Safaricom explain how our phone numbers were leaked? Edith _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: <mailto:mjoseph@safaricom.co.ke> mjoseph@safaricom.co.ke<mailto:mjoseph@safaricom.co.ke> Unsubscribe or change your options at <http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/mjoseph%40safaricom.co.ke> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/mjoseph%40safaricom.co.... Note: All emails sent from Safaricom Limited are subject to Safaricom�s Email Terms & Conditions. Please click here<http://www.safaricom.co.ke/Emailtermsandconditions> to read the policy. ________________________________ [http://www.safaricom.co.ke/fileadmin/resources/downloads/SafBanner.gif]
Lordmwesh, you've made my evening!! 'terms of service'?? :-) Kind Regards, On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 10:25 PM, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.or.ke> wrote:
mmm...paid up service. What about the rights of the consumer?
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I am not sure the numbers were leaked, I think it's a paid for promotion. I am out of the country at the moment but will find out
Kind Regards
Michael
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Today I received a promotional sms from the "YES" campaign. Can Safaricom explain how our phone numbers were leaked?
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I also got one. It seems Safaricom has a case to Answer.More so i didn't sign up for any YES Campaign media gimic. I would call the SMS a spam SMS. On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 8:24 PM, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.or.ke> wrote:
Today I received a promotional sms from the "YES" campaign. Can Safaricom explain how our phone numbers were leaked?
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Following this with interest. I think it would be improper for networks to sell/avail subscriber numbers to others for promotional purposes because subscribers don't have a choice to opt in to this when they sign up for the service (I certainly didn't). Promotions from the network itself are of course a different matter altogether. Regarding spam where the sender gets phone numbers through unscrupulous means the only solution may be to press the DELETE key. Sim card registration should make it possible to pursue and prosecute offenders (assuming there is a law against spamming in Kenya). Victor ________________________________ From: kictanet-bounces+v-gathara=dfid.gov.uk@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+v-gathara=dfid.gov.uk@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of dennis kipruto Sent: 16 July 2010 08:12 To: Victor Gathara Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Privacy vs National Interest I also got one. It seems Safaricom has a case to Answer.More so i didn't sign up for any YES Campaign media gimic. I would call the SMS a spam SMS. On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 8:24 PM, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.or.ke> wrote: Today I received a promotional sms from the "YES" campaign. Can Safaricom explain how our phone numbers were leaked? Edith _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: rutodenis@gmail.com Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/rutodenis%40gmail.c om -- Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths ________________________________________________________________________ This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star. The service is powered by MessageLabs. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit: http://www.star.net.uk ________________________________________________________________________ DFID, the Department for International Development: leading the UK Government's fight against world poverty. Find out more at http://www.dfid.gov.uk.
Do subscribers in Kenya have an option to stop these sms's ? In Uganda you send STOP to the sending number and your number would be deleted from the senders database. The only problem is you are charged for the sms you send to have your number deleted. It seems to be working. regards From: kictanet-bounces+ntegeb=one2net.co.ug@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+ntegeb=one2net.co.ug@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Victor Gathara Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 8:33 AM To: ntegeb@one2net.co.ug Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Privacy vs National Interest Following this with interest. I think it would be improper for networks to sell/avail subscriber numbers to others for promotional purposes because subscribers don't have a choice to opt in to this when they sign up for the service (I certainly didn't). Promotions from the network itself are of course a different matter altogether. Regarding spam where the sender gets phone numbers through unscrupulous means the only solution may be to press the DELETE key. Sim card registration should make it possible to pursue and prosecute offenders (assuming there is a law against spamming in Kenya). Victor _____ From: kictanet-bounces+v-gathara=dfid.gov.uk@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+v-gathara=dfid.gov.uk@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of dennis kipruto Sent: 16 July 2010 08:12 To: Victor Gathara Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Privacy vs National Interest I also got one. It seems Safaricom has a case to Answer.More so i didn't sign up for any YES Campaign media gimic. I would call the SMS a spam SMS. On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 8:24 PM, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.or.ke> wrote: Today I received a promotional sms from the "YES" campaign. Can Safaricom explain how our phone numbers were leaked? Edith _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: rutodenis@gmail.com Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/rutodenis%40gmail.com -- Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths ________________________________________________________________________ This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star. The service is powered by MessageLabs. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit: http://www.star.net.uk ________________________________________________________________________ DFID, the Department for International Development: leading the UK Government's fight against world poverty. Find out more at http://www.dfid.gov.uk.
I completely disagree. Promotional SMSs should be something you explicitly sign up for, not something you are signed up for by someone and have to remove yourself. Can you imagine if email worked in this way? On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 9:19 AM, Badru Ntege <ntegeb@one2net.co.ug> wrote:
Do subscribers in Kenya have an option to stop these sms’s ?
In Uganda you send STOP to the sending number and your number would be deleted from the senders database. The only problem is you are charged for the sms you send to have your number deleted.
It seems to be working.
regards
On 16/07/2010, Badru Ntege <ntegeb@one2net.co.ug> wrote:
Do subscribers in Kenya have an option to stop these sms's ?
In Uganda you send STOP to the sending number and your number would be deleted from the senders database. The only problem is you are charged for the sms you send to have your number deleted.
It seems to be working.
Why should a person be charged to unsubscribe from a service they didn't request or subscribe to? If one subscribed, that's understood very well. Regards,
regards
From: kictanet-bounces+ntegeb=one2net.co.ug@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+ntegeb=one2net.co.ug@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Victor Gathara Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 8:33 AM To: ntegeb@one2net.co.ug Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Privacy vs National Interest
Following this with interest. I think it would be improper for networks to sell/avail subscriber numbers to others for promotional purposes because subscribers don't have a choice to opt in to this when they sign up for the service (I certainly didn't). Promotions from the network itself are of course a different matter altogether.
Regarding spam where the sender gets phone numbers through unscrupulous means the only solution may be to press the DELETE key. Sim card registration should make it possible to pursue and prosecute offenders (assuming there is a law against spamming in Kenya).
Victor
_____
From: kictanet-bounces+v-gathara=dfid.gov.uk@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+v-gathara=dfid.gov.uk@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of dennis kipruto Sent: 16 July 2010 08:12 To: Victor Gathara Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Privacy vs National Interest
I also got one. It seems Safaricom has a case to Answer.More so i didn't sign up for any YES Campaign media gimic. I would call the SMS a spam SMS.
On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 8:24 PM, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.or.ke> wrote:
Today I received a promotional sms from the "YES" campaign. Can Safaricom explain how our phone numbers were leaked?
Edith
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Well, i see no problem with promotional sms,s its what makes the Information economy tick, i am looking at this as an entrepreneur and as a consumer, its a catch 22 just the way an employee complains about his or her employer yet the former might as well decide to have his or her own organisation, this simply justify the need for the data protection act to ensure that the promotions are done within the law, i see no problem with what Safaricom did, they are out to make money and it is the biggest tax payer, at least a road will be fixed somewhere out of the money they make. Kind Regards On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 8:39 AM, Solomon Mburu Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com>wrote:
On 16/07/2010, Badru Ntege <ntegeb@one2net.co.ug> wrote:
Do subscribers in Kenya have an option to stop these sms's ?
In Uganda you send STOP to the sending number and your number would be deleted from the senders database. The only problem is you are charged for the sms you send to have your number deleted.
It seems to be working.
Why should a person be charged to unsubscribe from a service they didn't request or subscribe to?
If one subscribed, that's understood very well.
Regards,
regards
From: kictanet-bounces+ntegeb=one2net.co.ug@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+ntegeb <kictanet-bounces%2Bntegeb>=
Behalf Of Victor Gathara Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 8:33 AM To: ntegeb@one2net.co.ug Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Privacy vs National Interest
Following this with interest. I think it would be improper for networks to sell/avail subscriber numbers to others for promotional purposes because subscribers don't have a choice to opt in to this when they sign up for
one2net.co.ug@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On the
service (I certainly didn't). Promotions from the network itself are of course a different matter altogether.
Regarding spam where the sender gets phone numbers through unscrupulous means the only solution may be to press the DELETE key. Sim card registration should make it possible to pursue and prosecute offenders (assuming there is a law against spamming in Kenya).
Victor
_____
From: kictanet-bounces+v-gathara=dfid.gov.uk@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+v-gathara <kictanet-bounces%2Bv-gathara>= dfid.gov.uk@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of dennis kipruto Sent: 16 July 2010 08:12 To: Victor Gathara Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Privacy vs National Interest
I also got one. It seems Safaricom has a case to Answer.More so i didn't sign up for any YES Campaign media gimic. I would call the SMS a spam SMS.
On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 8:24 PM, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.or.ke> wrote:
Today I received a promotional sms from the "YES" campaign. Can Safaricom explain how our phone numbers were leaked?
Edith
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Interesting View Barrack, When we think promotion we automatically think its the carrier promoting their product, but as Edith puts it National Interest verses Privacy! This looks like a push marketing to possibly an unwilling buyer! so this comes through as an intrusion of privacy for those who are in favour or not in favour of the said promotional message. Could someone shed some light on what the Kenya Communication Act says about data protection and privacy? Does the New constitution have anything on Privacy and data protection? And yes as Barrack puts it is a catch 22... On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 10:13 AM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com>wrote:
Well, i see no problem with promotional sms,s its what makes the Information economy tick, i am looking at this as an entrepreneur and as a consumer, its a catch 22 just the way an employee complains about his or her employer yet the former might as well decide to have his or her own organisation, this simply justify the need for the data protection act to ensure that the promotions are done within the law, i see no problem with what Safaricom did, they are out to make money and it is the biggest tax payer, at least a road will be fixed somewhere out of the money they make.
Kind Regards
On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 8:39 AM, Solomon Mburu Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com
wrote:
On 16/07/2010, Badru Ntege <ntegeb@one2net.co.ug> wrote:
Do subscribers in Kenya have an option to stop these sms's ?
In Uganda you send STOP to the sending number and your number would be deleted from the senders database. The only problem is you are charged for the sms you send to have your number deleted.
It seems to be working.
Why should a person be charged to unsubscribe from a service they didn't request or subscribe to?
If one subscribed, that's understood very well.
Regards,
regards
From: kictanet-bounces+ntegeb=one2net.co.ug@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+ntegeb <kictanet-bounces%2Bntegeb>=
Behalf Of Victor Gathara Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 8:33 AM To: ntegeb@one2net.co.ug Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Privacy vs National Interest
Following this with interest. I think it would be improper for networks to sell/avail subscriber numbers to others for promotional purposes because subscribers don't have a choice to opt in to this when they sign up for
one2net.co.ug@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On the
service (I certainly didn't). Promotions from the network itself are of course a different matter altogether.
Regarding spam where the sender gets phone numbers through unscrupulous means the only solution may be to press the DELETE key. Sim card registration should make it possible to pursue and prosecute offenders (assuming there is a law against spamming in Kenya).
Victor
_____
From: kictanet-bounces+v-gathara=dfid.gov.uk@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+v-gathara <kictanet-bounces%2Bv-gathara>= dfid.gov.uk@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of dennis kipruto Sent: 16 July 2010 08:12 To: Victor Gathara Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Privacy vs National Interest
I also got one. It seems Safaricom has a case to Answer.More so i didn't sign up for any YES Campaign media gimic. I would call the SMS a spam SMS.
On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 8:24 PM, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.or.ke> wrote:
Today I received a promotional sms from the "YES" campaign. Can Safaricom explain how our phone numbers were leaked?
Edith
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The proposed Constitution has protection of Privacy - Art 31. There is no data protection provision besides a mention in the privacy article that includes a right not to have info relating to family or private affairs unnecessarily required or revealed. The document also provides for consumer protection - legislation should be in place 4 yrs after proposed Const is enacted. regards, Wamuyu P/S However, my view is that the value of a new Constitution could presently overide our privacy interests. Researched scenarios were presented yesterday, at the Agenda 4 Commission conference, that present agrim picture if the Constitutional process fails. There will be absolutely no privacy to demand for in a conflict environment. So this is a critical national interest. My beef is with the poor message that was sent out...There will indeed be minimum and maximum land limits but the motive is positive and the process of doing so will be participatory (as it was in the 6 yr process to develop the Land Policy). ________________________________ From: Sam Gatere <sam.gatere@gmail.com> To: wamuyulearn@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Fri, 16 July, 2010 10:38:53 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Privacy vs National Interest Interesting View Barrack, When we think promotion we automatically think its the carrier promoting their product, but as Edith puts it National Interest verses Privacy! This looks like a push marketing to possibly an unwilling buyer! so this comes through as an intrusion of privacy for those who are in favour or not in favour of the said promotional message. Could someone shed some light on what the Kenya Communication Act says about data protection and privacy? Does the New constitution have anything on Privacy and data protection? And yes as Barrack puts it is a catch 22... On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 10:13 AM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote: Well, i see no problem with promotional sms,s its what makes the Information economy tick, i am looking at this as an entrepreneur and as a consumer, its a catch 22 just the way an employee complains about his or her employer yet the former might as well decide to have his or her own organisation, this simply justify the need for the data protection act to ensure that the promotions are done within the law, i see no problem with what Safaricom did, they are out to make money and it is the biggest tax payer, at least a road will be fixed somewhere out of the money they make.
Kind Regards
On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 8:39 AM, Solomon Mburu Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com> wrote:
On 16/07/2010, Badru Ntege <ntegeb@one2net.co.ug> wrote:
Do subscribers in Kenya have an option to stop these sms's ?
In Uganda you send STOP to the sending number and your number would be deleted from the senders database. The only problem is you are charged for the sms you send to have your number deleted.
It seems to be working.
Why should a person be charged to unsubscribe from a service they didn't request or subscribe to?
If one subscribed, that's understood very well.
Regards,
regards
From: kictanet-bounces+ntegeb=one2net.co.ug@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+ntegeb=one2net.co.ug@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Victor Gathara Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 8:33 AM To: ntegeb@one2net.co.ug Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Privacy vs National Interest
Following this with interest. I think it would be improper for networks to sell/avail subscriber numbers to others for promotional purposes because subscribers don't have a choice to opt in to this when they sign up for the service (I certainly didn't). Promotions from the network itself are of course a different matter altogether.
Regarding spam where the sender gets phone numbers through unscrupulous means the only solution may be to press the DELETE key. Sim card registration should make it possible to pursue and prosecute offenders (assuming there is a law against spamming in Kenya).
Victor
_____
From: kictanet-bounces+v-gathara=dfid.gov.uk@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+v-gathara=dfid.gov.uk@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of dennis kipruto Sent: 16 July 2010 08:12 To: Victor Gathara Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Privacy vs National Interest
I also got one. It seems Safaricom has a case to Answer.More so i didn't sign up for any YES Campaign media gimic. I would call the SMS a spam SMS.
On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 8:24 PM, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.or.ke> wrote:
Today I received a promotional sms from the "YES" campaign. Can Safaricom explain how our phone numbers were leaked?
Edith
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There has been a Data Protection Bill sitting on the legislative table next to the Freedom of Information Act waiting.... There were discussions on this list previously as well as on Skunkworks. Any with soft copies? Crystal On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 10:38 AM, Sam Gatere <sam.gatere@gmail.com> wrote:
Interesting View Barrack,
When we think promotion we automatically think its the carrier promoting their product, but as Edith puts it National Interest verses Privacy! This looks like a push marketing to possibly an unwilling buyer! so this comes through as an intrusion of privacy for those who are in favour or not in favour of the said promotional message.
Could someone shed some light on what the Kenya Communication Act says about data protection and privacy? Does the New constitution have anything on Privacy and data protection?
And yes as Barrack puts it is a catch 22...
On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 10:13 AM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com
wrote:
Well, i see no problem with promotional sms,s its what makes the Information economy tick, i am looking at this as an entrepreneur and as a consumer, its a catch 22 just the way an employee complains about his or her employer yet the former might as well decide to have his or her own organisation, this simply justify the need for the data protection act to ensure that the promotions are done within the law, i see no problem with what Safaricom did, they are out to make money and it is the biggest tax payer, at least a road will be fixed somewhere out of the money they make.
Kind Regards
On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 8:39 AM, Solomon Mburu Kamau < solo.mburu@gmail.com> wrote:
On 16/07/2010, Badru Ntege <ntegeb@one2net.co.ug> wrote:
Do subscribers in Kenya have an option to stop these sms's ?
In Uganda you send STOP to the sending number and your number would be deleted from the senders database. The only problem is you are charged for the sms you send to have your number deleted.
It seems to be working.
Why should a person be charged to unsubscribe from a service they didn't request or subscribe to?
If one subscribed, that's understood very well.
Regards,
regards
From: kictanet-bounces+ntegeb=one2net.co.ug@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+ntegeb <kictanet-bounces%2Bntegeb>=
Behalf Of Victor Gathara Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 8:33 AM To: ntegeb@one2net.co.ug Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Privacy vs National Interest
Following this with interest. I think it would be improper for networks to sell/avail subscriber numbers to others for promotional purposes because subscribers don't have a choice to opt in to this when they sign up for
one2net.co.ug@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On the
service (I certainly didn't). Promotions from the network itself are of course a different matter altogether.
Regarding spam where the sender gets phone numbers through unscrupulous means the only solution may be to press the DELETE key. Sim card registration should make it possible to pursue and prosecute offenders (assuming there is a law against spamming in Kenya).
Victor
_____
From: kictanet-bounces+v-gathara=dfid.gov.uk@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+v-gathara <kictanet-bounces%2Bv-gathara>= dfid.gov.uk@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of dennis kipruto Sent: 16 July 2010 08:12 To: Victor Gathara Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Privacy vs National Interest
I also got one. It seems Safaricom has a case to Answer.More so i didn't sign up for any YES Campaign media gimic. I would call the SMS a spam SMS.
On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 8:24 PM, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.or.ke> wrote:
Today I received a promotional sms from the "YES" campaign. Can Safaricom explain how our phone numbers were leaked?
Edith
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Dear all, I do see a problem with this because I get enough rubbish on email already, and getting spam sms is massively annoying, not the least because you can't just mark them as spam and send all future messages from the same sender straight to the bin. I agree that subscribers should opt into any promotional service, not out of it. Having said that, the phone numbers don't necessarily need to come from an operator - I once left my phone number in a shop because I thought I had left some documents there, and ended up on their sms list. It turned out incredibly difficult to be removed from it and took several visits to the shop. Safaricom have terms and conditions on their website: http://safaricom.co.ke/index.php?id=1125 Including those for pre-paid services: http://safaricom.co.ke/index.php?id=1133 In those terms and conditions, I found the following: 1. You accept that we may disclose and/or receive and/or record any details of your use of the Services including but not limited to your calls, emails, SMS’s, data, your personal information or documents obtained from you for the purposes below: 1. Fraud prevention and law enforcement; 1. For reasonable commercial purposes connected to your use of the mobile service, such as marketing and research related activities; Not sure if this applies to their own marketing only, or also includes consent to having your number passed on to other organisations for promotional purposes - it would appear the former, though. Happy Furahiday, Andrea On 16/07/2010, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Well, i see no problem with promotional sms,s its what makes the Information economy tick, i am looking at this as an entrepreneur and as a consumer, its a catch 22 just the way an employee complains about his or her employer yet the former might as well decide to have his or her own organisation, this simply justify the need for the data protection act to ensure that the promotions are done within the law, i see no problem with what Safaricom did, they are out to make money and it is the biggest tax payer, at least a road will be fixed somewhere out of the money they make.
Kind Regards
On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 8:39 AM, Solomon Mburu Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com
wrote:
On 16/07/2010, Badru Ntege <ntegeb@one2net.co.ug> wrote:
Do subscribers in Kenya have an option to stop these sms's ?
In Uganda you send STOP to the sending number and your number would be deleted from the senders database. The only problem is you are charged for the sms you send to have your number deleted.
It seems to be working.
Why should a person be charged to unsubscribe from a service they didn't request or subscribe to?
If one subscribed, that's understood very well.
Regards,
regards
From: kictanet-bounces+ntegeb=one2net.co.ug@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+ntegeb <kictanet-bounces%2Bntegeb>=
Behalf Of Victor Gathara Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 8:33 AM To: ntegeb@one2net.co.ug Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Privacy vs National Interest
Following this with interest. I think it would be improper for networks to sell/avail subscriber numbers to others for promotional purposes because subscribers don't have a choice to opt in to this when they sign up for
one2net.co.ug@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On the
service (I certainly didn't). Promotions from the network itself are of course a different matter altogether.
Regarding spam where the sender gets phone numbers through unscrupulous means the only solution may be to press the DELETE key. Sim card registration should make it possible to pursue and prosecute offenders (assuming there is a law against spamming in Kenya).
Victor
_____
From: kictanet-bounces+v-gathara=dfid.gov.uk@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+v-gathara <kictanet-bounces%2Bv-gathara>= dfid.gov.uk@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of dennis kipruto Sent: 16 July 2010 08:12 To: Victor Gathara Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Privacy vs National Interest
I also got one. It seems Safaricom has a case to Answer.More so i didn't sign up for any YES Campaign media gimic. I would call the SMS a spam SMS.
On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 8:24 PM, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.or.ke> wrote:
Today I received a promotional sms from the "YES" campaign. Can Safaricom explain how our phone numbers were leaked?
Edith
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Well put Andrea, that is called reading between lines, when you do a comparison between the service and what you have to give up to get the service you end up signing up, this is how the Telco makes its bread and Bata and they are well informed from a Legal and regulatory perspectives. Kind Regards On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 10:10 AM, Andrea Bohnstedt < andrea.bohnstedt@ratio-magazine.com> wrote:
Dear all,
I do see a problem with this because I get enough rubbish on email already, and getting spam sms is massively annoying, not the least because you can't just mark them as spam and send all future messages from the same sender straight to the bin. I agree that subscribers should opt into any promotional service, not out of it.
Having said that, the phone numbers don't necessarily need to come from an operator - I once left my phone number in a shop because I thought I had left some documents there, and ended up on their sms list. It turned out incredibly difficult to be removed from it and took several visits to the shop.
Safaricom have terms and conditions on their website: http://safaricom.co.ke/index.php?id=1125
Including those for pre-paid services: http://safaricom.co.ke/index.php?id=1133
In those terms and conditions, I found the following:
1. You accept that we may disclose and/or receive and/or record any details of your use of the Services including but not limited to your calls, emails, SMS’s, data, your personal information or documents obtained from you for the purposes below:
1. Fraud prevention and law enforcement;
1. For reasonable commercial purposes connected to your use of the mobile service, such as marketing and research related activities;
Not sure if this applies to their own marketing only, or also includes consent to having your number passed on to other organisations for promotional purposes - it would appear the former, though.
Happy Furahiday, Andrea
On 16/07/2010, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Well, i see no problem with promotional sms,s its what makes the Information economy tick, i am looking at this as an entrepreneur and as a consumer, its a catch 22 just the way an employee complains about his or her employer yet the former might as well decide to have his or her own organisation, this simply justify the need for the data protection act to ensure that the promotions are done within the law, i see no problem with what Safaricom did, they are out to make money and it is the biggest tax payer, at least a road will be fixed somewhere out of the money they make.
Kind Regards
On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 8:39 AM, Solomon Mburu Kamau < solo.mburu@gmail.com> wrote:
On 16/07/2010, Badru Ntege <ntegeb@one2net.co.ug> wrote:
Do subscribers in Kenya have an option to stop these sms's ?
In Uganda you send STOP to the sending number and your number would be deleted from the senders database. The only problem is you are charged for the sms you send to have your number deleted.
It seems to be working.
Why should a person be charged to unsubscribe from a service they didn't request or subscribe to?
If one subscribed, that's understood very well.
Regards,
regards
From: kictanet-bounces+ntegeb=one2net.co.ug@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+ntegeb <kictanet-bounces%2Bntegeb>=
Behalf Of Victor Gathara Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 8:33 AM To: ntegeb@one2net.co.ug Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Privacy vs National Interest
Following this with interest. I think it would be improper for networks to sell/avail subscriber numbers to others for promotional purposes because subscribers don't have a choice to opt in to this when they sign up for
one2net.co.ug@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On the
service (I certainly didn't). Promotions from the network itself are of course a different matter altogether.
Regarding spam where the sender gets phone numbers through unscrupulous means the only solution may be to press the DELETE key. Sim card registration should make it possible to pursue and prosecute offenders (assuming there is a law against spamming in Kenya).
Victor
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From: kictanet-bounces+v-gathara=dfid.gov.uk@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+v-gathara <kictanet-bounces%2Bv-gathara>= dfid.gov.uk@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of dennis kipruto Sent: 16 July 2010 08:12 To: Victor Gathara Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Privacy vs National Interest
I also got one. It seems Safaricom has a case to Answer.More so i didn't sign up for any YES Campaign media gimic. I would call the SMS a spam SMS.
On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 8:24 PM, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.or.ke> wrote:
Today I received a promotional sms from the "YES" campaign. Can Safaricom explain how our phone numbers were leaked?
Edith
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I guess premium rate service providers also store mobile numbers.so operator do not have to be the first suspect....especially if you have subscribed or ever participated in any of these short coded sms stuff/stuff/opinions etc..and who knows !!!!!! --- On Fri, 7/16/10, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Privacy vs National Interest To: benmakai@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Friday, July 16, 2010, 10:13 AM Well, i see no problem with promotional sms,s its what makes the Information economy tick, i am looking at this as an entrepreneur and as a consumer, its a catch 22 just the way an employee complains about his or her employer yet the former might as well decide to have his or her own organisation, this simply justify the need for the data protection act to ensure that the promotions are done within the law, i see no problem with what Safaricom did, they are out to make money and it is the biggest tax payer, at least a road will be fixed somewhere out of the money they make.
Kind Regards
On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 8:39 AM, Solomon Mburu Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com> wrote:
On 16/07/2010, Badru Ntege <ntegeb@one2net.co.ug> wrote:
Do subscribers in Kenya have an option to stop these sms's ?
In Uganda you send STOP to the sending number and your number would be
deleted from the senders database. The only problem is you are charged for
the sms you send to have your number deleted.
It seems to be working.
Why should a person be charged to unsubscribe from a service they
didn't request or subscribe to?
If one subscribed, that's understood very well.
Regards,
regards
From: kictanet-bounces+ntegeb=one2net.co.ug@lists.kictanet.or.ke
[mailto:kictanet-bounces+ntegeb=one2net.co.ug@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On
Behalf Of Victor Gathara
Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 8:33 AM
To: ntegeb@one2net.co.ug
Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Privacy vs National Interest
Following this with interest. I think it would be improper for networks to
sell/avail subscriber numbers to others for promotional purposes because
subscribers don't have a choice to opt in to this when they sign up for the
service (I certainly didn't). Promotions from the network itself are of
course a different matter altogether.
Regarding spam where the sender gets phone numbers through unscrupulous
means the only solution may be to press the DELETE key. Sim card
registration should make it possible to pursue and prosecute offenders
(assuming there is a law against spamming in Kenya).
Victor
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From: kictanet-bounces+v-gathara=dfid.gov.uk@lists.kictanet.or.ke
[mailto:kictanet-bounces+v-gathara=dfid.gov.uk@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On
Behalf Of dennis kipruto
Sent: 16 July 2010 08:12
To: Victor Gathara
Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Privacy vs National Interest
I also got one. It seems Safaricom has a case to Answer.More so i didn't
sign up for any YES Campaign media gimic. I would call the SMS a spam SMS.
On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 8:24 PM, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.or.ke> wrote:
Today I received a promotional sms from the "YES" campaign. Can Safaricom
explain how our phone numbers were leaked?
Edith
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I'm just wondering if Safaricom really needs to avail subscriber numbers to me to send mass SMS's. It is common knowledge that Safaricom has 0722..., 0723..., 0724... etc. If I have enough cash like we know campaigners have I just send SMS's to the numbers prefixed with those codes en masse and I'm sure I'll hit more than 60% of them. James On 7/16/2010 8:33 AM, Victor Gathara wrote:
Following this with interest. I think it would be improper for networks to sell/avail subscriber numbers to others for promotional purposes because subscribers don't have a choice to opt in to this when they sign up for the service (I certainly didn't). Promotions from the network itself are of course a different matter altogether. Regarding spam where the sender gets phone numbers through unscrupulous means the only solution may be to press the DELETE key. Sim card registration should make it possible to pursue and prosecute offenders (assuming there is a law against spamming in Kenya). Victor
------------------------------------------------------------------------ *From:* kictanet-bounces+v-gathara=dfid.gov.uk@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+v-gathara=dfid.gov.uk@lists.kictanet.or.ke] *On Behalf Of *dennis kipruto *Sent:* 16 July 2010 08:12 *To:* Victor Gathara *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Privacy vs National Interest
I also got one. It seems Safaricom has a case to Answer.More so i didn't sign up for any YES Campaign media gimic. I would call the SMS a spam SMS.
On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 8:24 PM, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.or.ke <mailto:eadera@idrc.or.ke>> wrote:
Today I received a promotional sms from the "YES" campaign. Can Safaricom explain how our phone numbers were leaked?
Edith
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If mail servers can detect sudden mass mailing activity so can mobile providers with a sudden increase in mass SMS originating from a single source On Monday, July 19, 2010, James Kagwe <kagwejg@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm just wondering if Safaricom really needs to avail subscriber numbers to me to send mass SMS's. It is common knowledge that Safaricom has 0722..., 0723..., 0724... etc. If I have enough cash like we know campaigners have I just send SMS's to the numbers prefixed with those codes en masse and I'm sure I'll hit more than 60% of them.
James
On 7/16/2010 8:33 AM, Victor Gathara wrote:
Following this with interest. I think it would be improper for networks to sell/avail subscriber numbers to others for promotional purposes because subscribers don't have a choice to opt in to this when they sign up for the service (I certainly didn't). Promotions from the network itself are of course a different matter altogether.
Regarding spam where the sender gets phone numbers through unscrupulous means the only solution may be to press the DELETE key. Sim card registration should make it possible to pursue and prosecute offenders (assuming there is a law against spamming in Kenya).
Victor
From: kictanet-bounces+v-gathara=dfid.gov.uk@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+v-gathara=dfid.gov.uk@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of dennis kipruto Sent: 16 July 2010 08:12 To: Victor Gathara Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Privacy vs National Interest
I also got one. It seems Safaricom has a case to Answer.More so i didn't sign up for any YES Campaign media gimic. I would call the SMS a spam SMS.
On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 8:24 PM, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.or.ke> wrote:
Today I received a promotional sms from the "YES" campaign. Can Safaricom explain how our phone numbers were leaked?
Edith
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@Rad, i thot so too. in other words. you cant pull this off (broadcast) without Safcom's nod. Unless ofcourse they are confessing that they are unable to manage/secure their network (this would be more devastating to concede ;-). In any case as Andrea B. highlighted from the Safcoms website/terms of service, it does allow them to use your numbers for:>>cut For reasonable commercial purposes connected to your use of the mobile service, such as marketing and research related activities;<< picked from http://www.safaricom.co.ke/index.php?id=1133 walu. nb: btw, i finally did the get the broadcast too, but am not complaining (for now ;-) --- On Mon, 7/19/10, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote: From: Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Privacy vs National Interest To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Monday, July 19, 2010, 9:06 PM If mail servers can detect sudden mass mailing activity so can mobile providers with a sudden increase in mass SMS originating from a single source On Monday, July 19, 2010, James Kagwe <kagwejg@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm just wondering if Safaricom really needs to avail subscriber numbers to me to send mass SMS's. It is common knowledge that Safaricom has 0722..., 0723..., 0724... etc. If I have enough cash like we know campaigners have I just send SMS's to the numbers prefixed with those codes en masse and I'm sure I'll hit more than 60% of them.
James
On 7/16/2010 8:33 AM, Victor Gathara wrote:
Following this with interest. I think it would be improper for networks to sell/avail subscriber numbers to others for promotional purposes because subscribers don't have a choice to opt in to this when they sign up for the service (I certainly didn't). Promotions from the network itself are of course a different matter altogether.
Regarding spam where the sender gets phone numbers through unscrupulous means the only solution may be to press the DELETE key. Sim card registration should make it possible to pursue and prosecute offenders (assuming there is a law against spamming in Kenya).
Victor
From: kictanet-bounces+v-gathara=dfid.gov.uk@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+v-gathara=dfid.gov.uk@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of dennis kipruto Sent: 16 July 2010 08:12 To: Victor Gathara Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Privacy vs National Interest
I also got one. It seems Safaricom has a case to Answer.More so i didn't sign up for any YES Campaign media gimic. I would call the SMS a spam SMS.
On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 8:24 PM, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.or.ke> wrote:
Today I received a promotional sms from the "YES" campaign. Can Safaricom explain how our phone numbers were leaked?
Edith
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Dear Walu,Listers, The subject you are discussing is best handled under "Data Protection Law" whose purpose is to regulate the collection,processing,keeping,use and disclosure of certain information relating to individuals that is processed automatically. Eng.J.N.Kariuki. --- On Tue, 20/7/10, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote: From: Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Privacy vs National Interest To: ngethe.kariuki2007@yahoo.co.uk Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Tuesday, 20 July, 2010, 13:26 @Rad, i thot so too. in other words. you cant pull this off (broadcast) without Safcom's nod. Unless ofcourse they are confessing that they are unable to manage/secure their network (this would be more devastating to concede ;-). In any case as Andrea B. highlighted from the Safcoms website/terms of service, it does allow them to use your numbers for:>>cut For reasonable commercial purposes connected to your use of the mobile service, such as marketing and research related activities;<< picked from http://www.safaricom.co.ke/index.php?id=1133 walu. nb: btw, i finally did the get the broadcast too, but am not complaining (for now ;-) --- On Mon, 7/19/10, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote: From: Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Privacy vs National Interest To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Monday, July 19, 2010, 9:06 PM If mail servers can detect sudden mass mailing activity so can mobile providers with a sudden increase in mass SMS originating from a single source On Monday, July 19, 2010, James Kagwe <kagwejg@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm just wondering if Safaricom really needs to avail subscriber numbers to me to send mass SMS's. It is common knowledge that Safaricom has 0722..., 0723..., 0724... etc. If I have enough cash like we know campaigners have I just send SMS's to the numbers prefixed with those codes en masse and I'm sure I'll hit more than 60% of them.
James
On 7/16/2010 8:33 AM, Victor Gathara wrote:
Following this with interest. I think it would be improper for networks to sell/avail subscriber numbers to others for promotional purposes because subscribers don't have a choice to opt in to this when they sign up for the service (I certainly didn't). Promotions from the network itself are of
course a
different matter altogether.
Regarding spam where the sender gets phone numbers through unscrupulous means the only solution may be to press the DELETE key. Sim card registration should make it possible to pursue and prosecute offenders (assuming there is a law against spamming in Kenya).
Victor
From: kictanet-bounces+v-gathara=dfid.gov.uk@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+v-gathara=dfid.gov.uk@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of dennis kipruto Sent: 16 July 2010 08:12 To: Victor Gathara Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Privacy vs National Interest
I also got one. It seems Safaricom has a case to Answer.More so i didn't sign up for any YES Campaign media gimic. I would call the SMS a spam SMS.
On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 8:24 PM, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.or.ke> wrote:
Today I received a promotional sms from the "YES" campaign. Can Safaricom explain how our phone numbers were leaked?
Edith
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Eng Kariuki, I totally agree. And am sure you and my friend Kihanya (of NCS) must by now have brewed a draft Data Protection Bill. If so, might it be a nice idea to share it/float it? so that Operators and their customers could begin to digest the implications in advance... walu. --- On Thu, 7/22/10, John Kariuki <ngethe.kariuki2007@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: From: John Kariuki <ngethe.kariuki2007@yahoo.co.uk> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Privacy vs National Interest To: "Walubengo J" <jwalu@yahoo.com> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Thursday, July 22, 2010, 8:15 AM Dear Walu,Listers, The subject you are discussing is best handled under "Data Protection Law" whose purpose is to regulate the collection,processing,keeping,use and disclosure of certain information relating to individuals that is processed automatically. Eng.J.N.Kariuki. --- On Tue, 20/7/10, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote: From: Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Privacy vs National Interest To: ngethe.kariuki2007@yahoo.co.uk Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Tuesday, 20 July, 2010, 13:26 @Rad, i thot so too. in other words. you cant pull this off (broadcast) without Safcom's nod. Unless ofcourse they are confessing that they are unable to manage/secure their network (this would be more devastating to concede ;-). In any case as Andrea B. highlighted from the Safcoms website/terms of service, it does allow them to use your numbers for:>>cut For reasonable commercial purposes connected to your use of the mobile service, such as marketing and research related activities;<< picked from http://www.safaricom.co.ke/index.php?id=1133 walu. nb: btw, i finally did the get the broadcast too, but am not complaining (for now ;-) --- On Mon, 7/19/10, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote: From: Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Privacy vs National Interest To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Monday, July 19, 2010, 9:06 PM If mail servers can detect sudden mass mailing activity so can mobile providers with a sudden increase in mass SMS originating from a single source On Monday, July 19, 2010, James Kagwe <kagwejg@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm just wondering if Safaricom really needs to avail subscriber numbers to me to send mass SMS's. It is common knowledge that Safaricom has 0722..., 0723..., 0724... etc. If I have enough cash like we know campaigners have I just send SMS's to the numbers prefixed with those codes en masse and I'm sure I'll hit more than 60% of them.
James
On 7/16/2010 8:33 AM, Victor Gathara wrote:
Following this with interest. I think it would be improper for networks to sell/avail subscriber numbers to others for promotional purposes because subscribers don't have a choice to opt in to this when they sign up for the service (I certainly didn't). Promotions from the network itself are of
course a
different matter altogether.
Regarding spam where the sender gets phone numbers through unscrupulous means the only solution may be to press the DELETE key. Sim card registration should make it possible to pursue and prosecute offenders (assuming there is a law against spamming in Kenya).
Victor
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I also got one. It seems Safaricom has a case to Answer.More so i didn't sign up for any YES Campaign media gimic. I would call the SMS a spam SMS.
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Today I received a promotional sms from the "YES" campaign. Can Safaricom explain how our phone numbers were leaked?
Edith
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Dr Ndemo, Can it not be circulated to stakeholders for review? Wasn't a participatory process followed to draft it? Edith -----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of bitange@jambo.co.ke Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 11:03 AM To: Edith Adera Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Privacy vs National Interest-Draft Data ProtectionBill? The draft bill is in Cabinet. Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry(r) -----Original Message----- From: Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> Sender: kictanet-bounces+bitange=jambo.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 22:57:59 To: <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Privacy vs National Interest-Draft Data Protection Bill? _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: bitange@jambo.co.ke Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bitange%40jambo.co.ke _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: eadera@idrc.or.ke Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/eadera%40idrc.or.ke
Dear Edith, Cabinet Memoranda are classified documents intended for tabling in Cabinet Meetings. These documents are regulated by strict rules issued by the Presidency ...when they are approved then the Bill goes to Parliament and is again in the public domain for your input as per Parliamentary procedures. Enjoy your Furahi day all. Kind regards David On 7/22/10, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.or.ke> wrote:
Dr Ndemo,
Can it not be circulated to stakeholders for review? Wasn't a participatory process followed to draft it?
Edith
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The draft bill is in Cabinet.
Ndemo.
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mmm...thanks for the education! With the world embracing "Open Government" is this practice changing (and being challenged) in other parts of the world? Atleast I'm aware of Cabinet news in Rwandan radios - which occurs within the day of the cabinet meeting (and documents are posted to the Govt website immediately after the meeting - within 24 hours). Has the world moved on? Edith ________________ Edith Ofwona Adera Senior Program Specialist ICT4D Program International Development Research Centre | Centre de recherches pour le développement international Regional Office for Eastern and Southern Africa Tel: +254202713160 | Fax/Téléc: +254202711063 | Skype: edithadera eadera@idrc.or.ke | www.idrc.ca | www.crdi.ca ________________________________________ From: David Otwoma [otwomad@gmail.com] Sent: 23 July 2010 08:52 To: Edith Adera Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Privacy vs National Interest-Draft Data ProtectionBill? Dear Edith, Cabinet Memoranda are classified documents intended for tabling in Cabinet Meetings. These documents are regulated by strict rules issued by the Presidency ...when they are approved then the Bill goes to Parliament and is again in the public domain for your input as per Parliamentary procedures. Enjoy your Furahi day all. Kind regards David On 7/22/10, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.or.ke> wrote:
Dr Ndemo,
Can it not be circulated to stakeholders for review? Wasn't a participatory process followed to draft it?
Edith
-----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of bitange@jambo.co.ke Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 11:03 AM To: Edith Adera Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Privacy vs National Interest-Draft Data ProtectionBill?
The draft bill is in Cabinet.
Ndemo.
Sent from my BlackBerry(r)
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@Edith, Correct me if am wrong but current Kenyan laws do NOT provide for multi-stakeholder, participatory input to Government Policy. Whenever this has happened, it has been at the "goodwill" of the various technocrats within the affected ministries/agencies. Indeed, the "openness" within the ICT ministry has been "in spite of" rather than because of the law which clearly stipulates that that the National Communication Secretariate is the sole agency recognized to make ICT Policy for the Kenya Government (Communication Act 1998 - which still applies through the Communication Amendment Act2009). @ David, waiting for Parliament to do its bit before other stakeholders can get a chance for input is truly a tall order. The practice has been that whatever Bills the Executive tables, they often go through "as-is" 99% of the times, unless honorable Eng. Rege can tell us things have since changed. walu. --- On Fri, 7/23/10, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.or.ke> wrote: From: Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Privacy vs National Interest-Draft Data ProtectionBill? To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Friday, July 23, 2010, 10:04 AM mmm...thanks for the education! With the world embracing "Open Government" is this practice changing (and being challenged) in other parts of the world? Atleast I'm aware of Cabinet news in Rwandan radios - which occurs within the day of the cabinet meeting (and documents are posted to the Govt website immediately after the meeting - within 24 hours). Has the world moved on? Edith ________________ Edith Ofwona Adera Senior Program Specialist ICT4D Program International Development Research Centre | Centre de recherches pour le développement international Regional Office for Eastern and Southern Africa Tel: +254202713160 | Fax/Téléc: +254202711063 | Skype: edithadera eadera@idrc.or.ke | www.idrc.ca | www.crdi.ca ________________________________________ From: David Otwoma [otwomad@gmail.com] Sent: 23 July 2010 08:52 To: Edith Adera Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Privacy vs National Interest-Draft Data ProtectionBill? Dear Edith, Cabinet Memoranda are classified documents intended for tabling in Cabinet Meetings. These documents are regulated by strict rules issued by the Presidency ...when they are approved then the Bill goes to Parliament and is again in the public domain for your input as per Parliamentary procedures. Enjoy your Furahi day all. Kind regards David On 7/22/10, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.or.ke> wrote:
Dr Ndemo,
Can it not be circulated to stakeholders for review? Wasn't a participatory process followed to draft it?
Edith
-----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of bitange@jambo.co.ke Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 11:03 AM To: Edith Adera Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Privacy vs National Interest-Draft Data ProtectionBill?
The draft bill is in Cabinet.
Ndemo.
Sent from my BlackBerry(r)
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Walu, Please exercise your right and vote come 4th August 2010. Even after that do continue mobilizing when the new Katiba is in place so that " the practice has been that whatever Bills the Executive tables, they often go through "as-is" 99% of the times," takes a new shape commensurate with what Edith calls 'open' Government, whatever that means. Incidentally if you engage the directorates in Parliament you may influence what is discussed there..... see http://www.bunge.go.ke/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=110&Itemid=95 David On 7/23/10, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
@Edith,
Correct me if am wrong but current Kenyan laws do NOT provide for multi-stakeholder, participatory input to Government Policy. Whenever this has happened, it has been at the "goodwill" of the various technocrats within the affected ministries/agencies.
Indeed, the "openness" within the ICT ministry has been "in spite of" rather than because of the law which clearly stipulates that that the National Communication Secretariate is the sole agency recognized to make ICT Policy for the Kenya Government (Communication Act 1998 - which still applies through the Communication Amendment Act2009).
@ David, waiting for Parliament to do its bit before other stakeholders can get a chance for input is truly a tall order. The practice has been that whatever Bills the Executive tables, they often go through "as-is" 99% of the times, unless honorable Eng. Rege can tell us things have since changed.
walu.
--- On Fri, 7/23/10, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.or.ke> wrote:
From: Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Privacy vs National Interest-Draft Data ProtectionBill? To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Friday, July 23, 2010, 10:04 AM
mmm...thanks for the education!
With the world embracing "Open Government" is this practice changing (and being challenged) in other parts of the world?
Atleast I'm aware of Cabinet news in Rwandan radios - which occurs within the day of the cabinet meeting (and documents are posted to the Govt website immediately after the meeting - within 24 hours). Has the world moved on?
Edith ________________ Edith Ofwona Adera Senior Program Specialist ICT4D Program International Development Research Centre | Centre de recherches pour le développement international Regional Office for Eastern and Southern Africa Tel: +254202713160 | Fax/Téléc: +254202711063 | Skype: edithadera eadera@idrc.or.ke | www.idrc.ca | www.crdi.ca ________________________________________ From: David Otwoma [otwomad@gmail.com] Sent: 23 July 2010 08:52 To: Edith Adera Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Privacy vs National Interest-Draft Data ProtectionBill?
Dear Edith,
Cabinet Memoranda are classified documents intended for tabling in Cabinet Meetings. These documents are regulated by strict rules issued by the Presidency ...when they are approved then the Bill goes to Parliament and is again in the public domain for your input as per Parliamentary procedures.
Enjoy your Furahi day all.
Kind regards
David
On 7/22/10, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.or.ke> wrote:
Dr Ndemo,
Can it not be circulated to stakeholders for review? Wasn't a participatory process followed to draft it?
Edith
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The draft bill is in Cabinet.
Ndemo.
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We debated the FOI and Data Protection at School of Monetary studies. We shall as public have another go at it when it is published and gone through the first reading in Parliament. Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: David Otwoma <otwomad@gmail.com> Sender: kictanet-bounces+bitange=jambo.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 08:52:40 To: <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Privacy vs National Interest-Draft Data ProtectionBill? Dear Edith, Cabinet Memoranda are classified documents intended for tabling in Cabinet Meetings. These documents are regulated by strict rules issued by the Presidency ...when they are approved then the Bill goes to Parliament and is again in the public domain for your input as per Parliamentary procedures. Enjoy your Furahi day all. Kind regards David On 7/22/10, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.or.ke> wrote:
Dr Ndemo,
Can it not be circulated to stakeholders for review? Wasn't a participatory process followed to draft it?
Edith
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The draft bill is in Cabinet.
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Bwana PS, true that these drafts were debated and i recall attending the forum at KSPS. Problem is this was a while back (2006-7) but the problem has always been that you never get to know what part of non-government stakeholders contributions were taken on board (went to the cabinet) and which parts were ignored. Eventually ofcourse one will get to know the details when the Bill gets to the floor of Parliament. And then the real challenge starts in that if other stakeholders think that what is before parliament is not "inclusive" enough, they will try to influence MPs to change it accordingly. At that level ONLY the big "influential" stakeholders (read: donors/private sector) can get the attention of the MPs; let alone their "buy-in" to make changes (read: forget our famous wanjiku's input at this level) Finally, even if the big stakeholders do get their changes in, if at all the Executive feels that those changes significantly alter their original policy objectives, they can always play the red card (veto) and take the whole process back to square1. So in short, my submission is that it is always cheaper to build and probably more importantly confirm consensus at the beginning of the policy process rather than towards the end. walu. --- On Sat, 7/24/10, bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote: From: bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Privacy vs National Interest-Draft DataProtectionBill? To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Saturday, July 24, 2010, 9:17 AM We debated the FOI and Data Protection at School of Monetary studies. We shall as public have another go at it when it is published and gone through the first reading in Parliament. Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: David Otwoma <otwomad@gmail.com> Sender: kictanet-bounces+bitange=jambo.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 08:52:40 To: <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Privacy vs National Interest-Draft Data ProtectionBill? Dear Edith, Cabinet Memoranda are classified documents intended for tabling in Cabinet Meetings. These documents are regulated by strict rules issued by the Presidency ...when they are approved then the Bill goes to Parliament and is again in the public domain for your input as per Parliamentary procedures. Enjoy your Furahi day all. Kind regards David On 7/22/10, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.or.ke> wrote:
Dr Ndemo,
Can it not be circulated to stakeholders for review? Wasn't a participatory process followed to draft it?
Edith
-----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of bitange@jambo.co.ke Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 11:03 AM To: Edith Adera Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Privacy vs National Interest-Draft Data ProtectionBill?
The draft bill is in Cabinet.
Ndemo.
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Walibengo, I am equallly frustrated because it takes at least four years to go through Cabinet, AG's office and Parliament. These are processes beyond my control. Iy you recall, we merged the two FOIs, the Prof. Nyongo one and our own draft. We indeed agreed that I send to Cabinet. I have promised practically anyone I meet that the bill will soon be out of Cabinet soon. I am confident that it will happen one day since FOI for example is an agenda 4 item. Regards Ndemo.
Bwana PS,
true that these drafts were debated and i recall attending the forum at KSPS. Problem is this was a while back (2006-7) but the problem has always been that you never get to know what part of non-government stakeholders contributions were taken on board (went to the cabinet) and which parts were ignored.
Eventually ofcourse one will get to know the details when the Bill gets to the floor of Parliament. And then the real challenge starts in that if other stakeholders think that what is before parliament is not "inclusive" enough, they will try to influence MPs to change it accordingly. At that level ONLY the big "influential" stakeholders (read: donors/private sector) can get the attention of the MPs; let alone their "buy-in" to make changes (read: forget our famous wanjiku's input at this level)
Finally, even if the big stakeholders do get their changes in, if at all the Executive feels that those changes significantly alter their original policy objectives, they can always play the red card (veto) and take the whole process back to square1.
So in short, my submission is that it is always cheaper to build and probably more importantly confirm consensus at the beginning of the policy process rather than towards the end.
walu.
--- On Sat, 7/24/10, bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
From: bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Privacy vs National Interest-Draft DataProtectionBill? To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Saturday, July 24, 2010, 9:17 AM
We debated the FOI and Data Protection at School of Monetary studies. We shall as public have another go at it when it is published and gone through the first reading in Parliament.
Ndemo.
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Dear Edith,
Cabinet Memoranda are classified documents intended for tabling in Cabinet Meetings. These documents are regulated by strict rules issued by the Presidency ...when they are approved then the Bill goes to Parliament and is again in the public domain for your input as per Parliamentary procedures.
Enjoy your Furahi day all.
Kind regards
David
On 7/22/10, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.or.ke> wrote:
Dr Ndemo,
Can it not be circulated to stakeholders for review? Wasn't a participatory process followed to draft it?
Edith
-----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of bitange@jambo.co.ke Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 11:03 AM To: Edith Adera Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Privacy vs National Interest-Draft Data ProtectionBill?
The draft bill is in Cabinet.
Ndemo.
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@ Ndemo, I hear you. We must also find a way to educate our Cabinet that the phrase "1 day in Politics is a long time" does apply more in ICTs than in politics...If they endorse an ICT bill discussed four years ago, the ICT terrain would have changed significantly to warrant a review of the earlier discussions... walu. --- On Sat, 7/24/10, bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote: From: bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Privacy vs National Interest-Draft DataProtectionBill? To: "Walubengo J" <jwalu@yahoo.com> Cc: bitange@jambo.co.ke, "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Saturday, July 24, 2010, 4:03 PM Walibengo, I am equallly frustrated because it takes at least four years to go through Cabinet, AG's office and Parliament. These are processes beyond my control. Iy you recall, we merged the two FOIs, the Prof. Nyongo one and our own draft. We indeed agreed that I send to Cabinet. I have promised practically anyone I meet that the bill will soon be out of Cabinet soon. I am confident that it will happen one day since FOI for example is an agenda 4 item. Regards Ndemo.
Bwana PS,
true that these drafts were debated and i recall attending the forum at KSPS. Problem is this was a while back (2006-7) but the problem has always been that you never get to know what part of non-government stakeholders contributions were taken on board (went to the cabinet) and which parts were ignored.
Eventually ofcourse one will get to know the details when the Bill gets to the floor of Parliament. And then the real challenge starts in that if other stakeholders think that what is before parliament is not "inclusive" enough, they will try to influence MPs to change it accordingly. At that level ONLY the big "influential" stakeholders (read: donors/private sector) can get the attention of the MPs; let alone their "buy-in" to make changes (read: forget our famous wanjiku's input at this level)
Finally, even if the big stakeholders do get their changes in, if at all the Executive feels that those changes significantly alter their original policy objectives, they can always play the red card (veto) and take the whole process back to square1.
So in short, my submission is that it is always cheaper to build and probably more importantly confirm consensus at the beginning of the policy process rather than towards the end.
walu.
--- On Sat, 7/24/10, bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
From: bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Privacy vs National Interest-Draft DataProtectionBill? To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Saturday, July 24, 2010, 9:17 AM
We debated the FOI and Data Protection at School of Monetary studies. We shall as public have another go at it when it is published and gone through the first reading in Parliament.
Ndemo.
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-----Original Message----- From: David Otwoma <otwomad@gmail.com> Sender: kictanet-bounces+bitange=jambo.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 08:52:40 To: <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Privacy vs National Interest-Draft Data ProtectionBill?
Dear Edith,
Cabinet Memoranda are classified documents intended for tabling in Cabinet Meetings. These documents are regulated by strict rules issued by the Presidency ...when they are approved then the Bill goes to Parliament and is again in the public domain for your input as per Parliamentary procedures.
Enjoy your Furahi day all.
Kind regards
David
On 7/22/10, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.or.ke> wrote:
Dr Ndemo,
Can it not be circulated to stakeholders for review? Wasn't a participatory process followed to draft it?
Edith
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The draft bill is in Cabinet.
Ndemo.
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Edith ,Listers, While not underrating National Interest ,it is important to recognise that Data Protection Law is primarily based on Human Rights considerations whose major international instruments include The Universal Declaration of Human Rights and UN Covenant on Civil and Political Rights. John Kariuki --- On Thu, 22/7/10, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.or.ke> wrote: From: Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Privacy vs National Interest-Draft Data ProtectionBill? To: ngethe.kariuki2007@yahoo.co.uk Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Thursday, 22 July, 2010, 11:00 Dr Ndemo, Can it not be circulated to stakeholders for review? Wasn't a participatory process followed to draft it? Edith -----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of bitange@jambo.co.ke Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 11:03 AM To: Edith Adera Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Privacy vs National Interest-Draft Data ProtectionBill? The draft bill is in Cabinet. Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry(r) -----Original Message----- From: Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> Sender: kictanet-bounces+bitange=jambo.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 22:57:59 To: <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Privacy vs National Interest-Draft Data Protection Bill? _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: bitange@jambo.co.ke Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bitange%40jambo.co.ke _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: eadera@idrc.or.ke Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/eadera%40idrc.or.ke _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: ngethe.kariuki2007@yahoo.co.uk Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/ngethe.kariuki2007%40ya...
Eng J.N. Kariuki, "Data Protection Law" - an idea whose time has come. - Do you ever wonder what the various supermarket chains do with all that information they collect on your loyalty cards. (What soap you buy, toothpaste you use, how much you spend, where you like shopping, whether you buy in bulk or "reja reja"). Regards, Leonard Obura Aloo Advocate ________________________________ From: John Kariuki <ngethe.kariuki2007@yahoo.co.uk> To: l_aloo@yahoo.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Thu, July 22, 2010 7:15:04 AM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Privacy vs National Interest Dear Walu,Listers, The subject you are discussing is best handled under "Data Protection Law" whose purpose is to regulate the collection,processing,keeping,use and disclosure of certain information relating to individuals that is processed automatically. Eng.J.N.Kariuki. --- On Tue, 20/7/10, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Privacy vs National Interest To: ngethe.kariuki2007@yahoo.co.uk Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Tuesday, 20 July, 2010, 13:26
@Rad,
i thot so too. in other words. you cant pull this off (broadcast) without Safcom's nod. Unless ofcourse they are confessing that they are unable to manage/secure their network (this would be more devastating to concede ;-).
In any case as Andrea B. highlighted from the Safcoms website/terms of service, it does allow them to use your numbers for:>>cut
1. For reasonable commercial purposes connected to your use of the mobile service, such as marketing and research related activities;<< picked from http://www.safaricom.co.ke/index.php?id=1133
walu. nb: btw, i finally did the get the broadcast too, but am not complaining (for now ;-)
--- On Mon, 7/19/10, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Privacy vs National Interest To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Monday, July 19, 2010, 9:06 PM
If mail servers can detect sudden mass mailing activity so can mobile providers with a sudden increase in mass SMS originating from a single source
On Monday, July 19, 2010, James Kagwe <kagwejg@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm just wondering if Safaricom really needs to avail subscriber numbers to me to send mass SMS's. It is common knowledge that Safaricom has 0722..., 0723..., 0724... etc. If I have enough cash like we know campaigners have I just send SMS's to the numbers prefixed with those codes en masse and I'm sure I'll hit more than 60% of them.
James
On 7/16/2010 8:33 AM, Victor Gathara wrote:
Following this with interest. I think it would be improper for networks to sell/avail subscriber numbers to others for promotional purposes because subscribers don't have a choice to opt in to this when they sign up for the service (I certainly didn't). Promotions from the network itself are of course a different matter altogether.
Regarding spam where the sender gets phone numbers through unscrupulous means the only solution may be to press the DELETE key. Sim card registration should make it possible to pursue and prosecute offenders (assuming there is a law against spamming in Kenya).
Victor
From: kictanet-bounces+v-gathara=dfid.gov.uk@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+v-gathara=dfid.gov.uk@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of dennis kipruto Sent: 16 July 2010 08:12 To: Victor Gathara Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Privacy vs National Interest
I also got one. It seems Safaricom has a case to Answer.More so i didn't sign up for any YES Campaign media gimic. I would call the SMS a spam SMS.
On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 8:24 PM, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.or.ke> wrote:
Today I received a promotional sms from the "YES" campaign. Can Safaricom explain how our phone numbers were leaked?
Edith
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I also feel invaded. I received the unsolicited message which shows that they are pro-draft- at least from the angle since they didn't issue a disclaimer. I do not really care whether they've been paid for it but I feel that it has become too much. I'm wondering, is there a way one can take legal action against them? I would appreciate such. On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 8:12 AM, dennis kipruto <rutodenis@gmail.com> wrote:
I also got one. It seems Safaricom has a case to Answer.More so i didn't sign up for any YES Campaign media gimic. I would call the SMS a spam SMS.
On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 8:24 PM, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.or.ke> wrote:
Today I received a promotional sms from the "YES" campaign. Can Safaricom explain how our phone numbers were leaked?
Edith
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