Discussion intermediary liability in Kenya
Dear Colleagues, This is an invitation to a discussion on intermediary liability in Kenya starting tomorrow Tuesday 2nd October 2012, which will be followed by a breakfast meeting on 10th October at jacaranda hotel. See attached the initial findings of the study on Intermediary Liability in Kenya. We welcome comments. Please note that this initial report is a forthcoming publication, and it should not be cited publicly until November, when the final report will be made available. The study notes that there is a lack of a clear framework for liability of intermediaries and a lot of uncertainty in understanding our evolving post-constitution legislative environment particularly in "regards to what offenses may happen on communications networks and whether intermediaries would be liable or not, this may have contributed to caution and self-regulation. In addition, there seems to be no legislated take down procedures other than responding in court to whichever law was cited as broken. Do we need a "clear framework for liability of intermediaries, and safe harbor legislation? What are the strengths and weaknesses of the current situation? We would like to encourage policy discussions on these issues with the aim of providing concrete recommendations and way forward. Grace Githaiga and Victor Kapiyo will take it from here Best Alice This is a project of: * Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANET) * Open Society Initiative (OSI) * Association for Progressive Communications (APC) * Google * Ministry of Information and Communications * Telecommunications Service Providers Association of Kenya (TESPOK)
Listers Greetings. This is a follow up to Alice’s email in which she shared a study on intermediary liability in Kenya, and inviting you to a discussion on the same. Internet intermediaries bring together or facilitate transactions between third parties on the Internet. They give access to, host, transmit and index content, products and services originated by third parties on the Internet or provide internet based services to third parties.’ OECD identifies Internet intermediaries to include ‘Internet access and service providers (ISPs), data processing and web hosting providers including domain name registrars, internet search engines and portals, internet payment systems, e-commerce intermediaries and participative networking platforms which include internet publishing and broadcasting platforms that do not themselves create or own content being published or broadcast’.
From a Kenyan perspective, it is important to consider mobile service providers as intermediaries since mobile telephony continues to set the stage for adoption of Internet access even though they are regulated under telecom laws.
Intermediary liability was indirectly discussed on this list last week through the Piracy/WAPkid/Copyright discussion. Question: 1. Are there other ways that we should define intermediaries? 2. What role should intermediaries play? 3. Considering that they do not create the content, should they be liable? And if so, in what ways? Please feel free to respond to any of the issues. Rgds Grace Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2012 19:57:35 +0300 From: alice@apc.org Subject: [kictanet] Discussion intermediary liability in Kenya CC: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke To: ggithaiga@hotmail.com Dear Colleagues, This is an invitation to a discussion on intermediary liability in Kenya starting tomorrow Tuesday 2nd October 2012, which will be followed by a breakfast meeting on 10th October at jacaranda hotel. See attached the initial findings of the study on Intermediary Liability in Kenya. We welcome comments. Please note that this initial report is a forthcoming publication, and it should not be cited publicly until November, when the final report will be made available. The study notes that there is a lack of a clear framework for liability of intermediaries and a lot of uncertainty in understanding our evolving post-constitution legislative environment particularly in "regards to what offenses may happen on communications networks and whether intermediaries would be liable or not, this may have contributed to caution and self-regulation. In addition, there seems to be no legislated take down procedures other than responding in court to whichever law was cited as broken. Do we need a "clear framework for liability of intermediaries, and safe harbor legislation? What are the strengths and weaknesses of the current situation? We would like to encourage policy discussions on these issues with the aim of providing concrete recommendations and way forward. Grace Githaiga and Victor Kapiyo will take it from here Best Alice This is a project of: Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANET) Open Society Initiative (OSI) Association for Progressive Communications (APC) Google Ministry of Information and Communications Telecommunications Service Providers Association of Kenya (TESPOK) _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/ggithaiga%40hotmail.co... The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
Dear listers, Find attached an invitation to a breakfast meeting on 10th October to discuss this issue. Best Alice On 02/10/2012 13:03, Grace Githaiga wrote:
Listers
Greetings.
This is a follow up to Alice’s email in which she shared a study on intermediary liability in Kenya, and inviting you to a discussion on the same.
Internet intermediaries bring together or facilitate transactions between third parties on the Internet. They give access to, host, transmit and index content, products and services originated by third parties on the Internet or provide internet based services to third parties.’
OECD identifies Internet intermediaries to include ‘Internet access and service providers (ISPs), data processing and web hosting providers including domain name registrars, internet search engines and portals, internet payment systems, e-commerce intermediaries and participative networking platforms which include internet publishing and broadcasting platforms that do not themselves create or own content being published or broadcast’.
From a Kenyan perspective, it is important to consider mobile service providers as intermediaries since mobile telephony continues to set the stage for adoption of Internet access even though they are regulated under telecom laws.
Intermediary liability was indirectly discussed on this list last week through the Piracy/WAPkid/Copyright discussion.
*Question:*
1.Are there other ways that we should define intermediaries?
2.What role should intermediaries play?
3.Considering that they do not create the content, should they be liable? And if so, in what ways?
Please feel free to respond to any of the issues.
Rgds
Grace
------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2012 19:57:35 +0300 From: alice@apc.org Subject: [kictanet] Discussion intermediary liability in Kenya CC: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke To: ggithaiga@hotmail.com
Dear Colleagues,
This is an invitation to a discussion on intermediary liability in Kenya starting tomorrow Tuesday 2nd October 2012, which will be followed by a breakfast meeting on 10th October at jacaranda hotel.
See attached the initial findings of the study on Intermediary Liability in Kenya. We welcome comments. Please note that this initial report is a forthcoming publication, and it should not be cited publicly until November, when the final report will be made available.
The study notes that there is a lack of a clear framework for liability of intermediaries and a lot of uncertainty in understanding our evolving post-constitution legislative environment particularly in "regards to what offenses may happen on communications networks and whether intermediaries would be liable or not, this may have contributed to caution and self-regulation.
In addition, there seems to be no legislated take down procedures other than responding in court to whichever law was cited as broken. Do we need a "clear framework for liability of intermediaries, and safe harbor legislation? What are the strengths and weaknesses of the current situation?
We would like to encourage policy discussions on these issues with the aim of providing concrete recommendations and way forward.
Grace Githaiga and Victor Kapiyo will take it from here
Best
Alice
This is a project of:
* Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANET) * Open Society Initiative (OSI) * Association for Progressive Communications (APC) * Google * Ministry of Information and Communications * Telecommunications Service Providers Association of Kenya (TESPOK)
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Hi Alice Good to see Min of Info Com taking leadership in this important subject. Regards Ali Hussein +254 773/713 601113 Sent from my iPad On Oct 2, 2012, at 4:06 PM, Alice Munyua <alice@apc.org> wrote:
Dear listers,
Find attached an invitation to a breakfast meeting on 10th October to discuss this issue.
Best Alice
On 02/10/2012 13:03, Grace Githaiga wrote:
Listers Greetings.
This is a follow up to Alice’s email in which she shared a study on intermediary liability in Kenya, and inviting you to a discussion on the same.
Internet intermediaries bring together or facilitate transactions between third parties on the Internet. They give access to, host, transmit and index content, products and services originated by third parties on the Internet or provide internet based services to third parties.’
OECD identifies Internet intermediaries to include ‘Internet access and service providers (ISPs), data processing and web hosting providers including domain name registrars, internet search engines and portals, internet payment systems, e-commerce intermediaries and participative networking platforms which include internet publishing and broadcasting platforms that do not themselves create or own content being published or broadcast’.
From a Kenyan perspective, it is important to consider mobile service providers as intermediaries since mobile telephony continues to set the stage for adoption of Internet access even though they are regulated under telecom laws.
Intermediary liability was indirectly discussed on this list last week through the Piracy/WAPkid/Copyright discussion.
Question:
1. Are there other ways that we should define intermediaries?
2. What role should intermediaries play?
3. Considering that they do not create the content, should they be liable? And if so, in what ways?
Please feel free to respond to any of the issues.
Rgds
Grace
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2012 19:57:35 +0300 From: alice@apc.org Subject: [kictanet] Discussion intermediary liability in Kenya CC: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke To: ggithaiga@hotmail.com
Dear Colleagues,
This is an invitation to a discussion on intermediary liability in Kenya starting tomorrow Tuesday 2nd October 2012, which will be followed by a breakfast meeting on 10th October at jacaranda hotel.
See attached the initial findings of the study on Intermediary Liability in Kenya. We welcome comments. Please note that this initial report is a forthcoming publication, and it should not be cited publicly until November, when the final report will be made available.
The study notes that there is a lack of a clear framework for liability of intermediaries and a lot of uncertainty in understanding our evolving post-constitution legislative environment particularly in "regards to what offenses may happen on communications networks and whether intermediaries would be liable or not, this may have contributed to caution and self-regulation.
In addition, there seems to be no legislated take down procedures other than responding in court to whichever law was cited as broken. Do we need a "clear framework for liability of intermediaries, and safe harbor legislation? What are the strengths and weaknesses of the current situation?
We would like to encourage policy discussions on these issues with the aim of providing concrete recommendations and way forward.
Grace Githaiga and Victor Kapiyo will take it from here
Best
Alice
This is a project of:
Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANET) Open Society Initiative (OSI) Association for Progressive Communications (APC) Google Ministry of Information and Communications Telecommunications Service Providers Association of Kenya (TESPOK)
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Grace and all A good piece on intermediary liability. I look forward to the discussions next week. This is a touchy area which in my opinion remains undefined and subject to interpretations depending on what side of the fence you find yourself. For example it is a known fact that the US Government periodically asks Google and other search engines to provide search histories of known Pedophiles. Is this a violation of one's privacy? Or can we argue that the Government is justified in this particular case? How about the fact that known and well established global companies/Brands like Amazon and PayPal were used to blunt the bite of wikileaks by denying it the use of its domain and payment systems? This is a clear case of the US Government coercing these companies to do something that doesn't pass muster in the name of 'National Security'. As a country where do we draw the line? At what point do we say this is for the good of the community and quash personal freedoms? Do our ideas of personal freedoms and the good of the community equate to the western value system? These are weighty questions that we as a society must address. And now. The ongoing cases of two bloggers charged with various offenses will be instrumental. The judiciary is faced with a situation of monumental delicateness and import. We do hope that they will treat it with the weightiness it deserves. I look forward to Wednesday's breakfast discussions. Ali Hussein +254 773/713 601113 Sent from my iPad On Oct 2, 2012, at 1:03 PM, Grace Githaiga <ggithaiga@hotmail.com> wrote:
Listers Greetings.
This is a follow up to Alice’s email in which she shared a study on intermediary liability in Kenya, and inviting you to a discussion on the same.
Internet intermediaries bring together or facilitate transactions between third parties on the Internet. They give access to, host, transmit and index content, products and services originated by third parties on the Internet or provide internet based services to third parties.’
OECD identifies Internet intermediaries to include ‘Internet access and service providers (ISPs), data processing and web hosting providers including domain name registrars, internet search engines and portals, internet payment systems, e-commerce intermediaries and participative networking platforms which include internet publishing and broadcasting platforms that do not themselves create or own content being published or broadcast’.
From a Kenyan perspective, it is important to consider mobile service providers as intermediaries since mobile telephony continues to set the stage for adoption of Internet access even though they are regulated under telecom laws.
Intermediary liability was indirectly discussed on this list last week through the Piracy/WAPkid/Copyright discussion.
Question:
1. Are there other ways that we should define intermediaries?
2. What role should intermediaries play?
3. Considering that they do not create the content, should they be liable? And if so, in what ways?
Please feel free to respond to any of the issues.
Rgds
Grace
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2012 19:57:35 +0300 From: alice@apc.org Subject: [kictanet] Discussion intermediary liability in Kenya CC: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke To: ggithaiga@hotmail.com
Dear Colleagues,
This is an invitation to a discussion on intermediary liability in Kenya starting tomorrow Tuesday 2nd October 2012, which will be followed by a breakfast meeting on 10th October at jacaranda hotel.
See attached the initial findings of the study on Intermediary Liability in Kenya. We welcome comments. Please note that this initial report is a forthcoming publication, and it should not be cited publicly until November, when the final report will be made available.
The study notes that there is a lack of a clear framework for liability of intermediaries and a lot of uncertainty in understanding our evolving post-constitution legislative environment particularly in "regards to what offenses may happen on communications networks and whether intermediaries would be liable or not, this may have contributed to caution and self-regulation.
In addition, there seems to be no legislated take down procedures other than responding in court to whichever law was cited as broken. Do we need a "clear framework for liability of intermediaries, and safe harbor legislation? What are the strengths and weaknesses of the current situation?
We would like to encourage policy discussions on these issues with the aim of providing concrete recommendations and way forward.
Grace Githaiga and Victor Kapiyo will take it from here
Best
Alice
This is a project of:
Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANET) Open Society Initiative (OSI) Association for Progressive Communications (APC) Google Ministry of Information and Communications Telecommunications Service Providers Association of Kenya (TESPOK)
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Thanks AliYou raise important points which center on violation of privacy, denial by companies/brands to deny use of its domain(s) and really where do we draw the line as far as our freedoms are concerned. All these points have been noted. Listers, the floor is still open. We still go back to the questions raised yesterday: Question:1. Are there other ways that we should define intermediaries?2. What role should intermediaries play?3. Considering that they do not create the content, should they be liable? And if so, in what ways?Please feel free to respond to any of the issues today, and tomorrow we can move on to the next step. Thanks you.Rgds Grace CC: alice@apc.org; isoc@orion.my.co.ke; kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke From: ali@hussein.me.ke Subject: Re: [ISOC_KE] Defining intermediary liability in Kenya Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2012 06:03:03 +0300 To: ggithaiga@hotmail.com Grace and all A good piece on intermediary liability. I look forward to the discussions next week. This is a touchy area which in my opinion remains undefined and subject to interpretations depending on what side of the fence you find yourself. For example it is a known fact that the US Government periodically asks Google and other search engines to provide search histories of known Pedophiles. Is this a violation of one's privacy? Or can we argue that the Government is justified in this particular case? How about the fact that known and well established global companies/Brands like Amazon and PayPal were used to blunt the bite of wikileaks by denying it the use of its domain and payment systems? This is a clear case of the US Government coercing these companies to do something that doesn't pass muster in the name of 'National Security'. As a country where do we draw the line? At what point do we say this is for the good of the community and quash personal freedoms? Do our ideas of personal freedoms and the good of the community equate to the western value system? These are weighty questions that we as a society must address. And now. The ongoing cases of two bloggers charged with various offenses will be instrumental. The judiciary is faced with a situation of monumental delicateness and import. We do hope that they will treat it with the weightiness it deserves. I look forward to Wednesday's breakfast discussions. Ali Hussein +254 773/713 601113 Sent from my iPad On Oct 2, 2012, at 1:03 PM, Grace Githaiga <ggithaiga@hotmail.com> wrote: Listers Greetings. This is a follow up to Alice’s email in which she shared a study on intermediary liability in Kenya, and inviting you to a discussion on the same. Internet intermediaries bring together or facilitate transactions between third parties on the Internet. They give access to, host, transmit and index content, products and services originated by third parties on the Internet or provide internet based services to third parties.’ OECD identifies Internet intermediaries to include ‘Internet access and service providers (ISPs), data processing and web hosting providers including domain name registrars, internet search engines and portals, internet payment systems, e-commerce intermediaries and participative networking platforms which include internet publishing and broadcasting platforms that do not themselves create or own content being published or broadcast’.
From a Kenyan perspective, it is important to consider mobile service providers as intermediaries since mobile telephony continues to set the stage for adoption of Internet access even though they are regulated under telecom laws.
Intermediary liability was indirectly discussed on this list last week through the Piracy/WAPkid/Copyright discussion. Question: 1. Are there other ways that we should define intermediaries? 2. What role should intermediaries play? 3. Considering that they do not create the content, should they be liable? And if so, in what ways? Please feel free to respond to any of the issues. Rgds Grace Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2012 19:57:35 +0300 From: alice@apc.org Subject: [kictanet] Discussion intermediary liability in Kenya CC: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke To: ggithaiga@hotmail.com Dear Colleagues, This is an invitation to a discussion on intermediary liability in Kenya starting tomorrow Tuesday 2nd October 2012, which will be followed by a breakfast meeting on 10th October at jacaranda hotel. See attached the initial findings of the study on Intermediary Liability in Kenya. We welcome comments. Please note that this initial report is a forthcoming publication, and it should not be cited publicly until November, when the final report will be made available. The study notes that there is a lack of a clear framework for liability of intermediaries and a lot of uncertainty in understanding our evolving post-constitution legislative environment particularly in "regards to what offenses may happen on communications networks and whether intermediaries would be liable or not, this may have contributed to caution and self-regulation. In addition, there seems to be no legislated take down procedures other than responding in court to whichever law was cited as broken. Do we need a "clear framework for liability of intermediaries, and safe harbor legislation? What are the strengths and weaknesses of the current situation? We would like to encourage policy discussions on these issues with the aim of providing concrete recommendations and way forward. Grace Githaiga and Victor Kapiyo will take it from here Best Alice This is a project of: Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANET) Open Society Initiative (OSI) Association for Progressive Communications (APC) Google Ministry of Information and Communications Telecommunications Service Providers Association of Kenya (TESPOK) _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/ggithaiga%40hotmail.co... The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. _______________________________________________ isoc mailing list isoc@orion.my.co.ke http://orion.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/isoc
From a Kenyan perspective, it is important to consider mobile service
Interesting discussion. My view is that all players must understand that freedom comes with responsibility and absolute freedom is a mirage. Globalization presents immense opportunities and challenges and the balancing act is quite delicate. The challenge is the point of balance to ensure that privacy is not violated to the extent that whoever is being protected does not also infringe on others privacy through their actions.with all these threat of terrorism and other ills. In the case of intermediaries, to what extent should they be liable to the action of others and when it comes to disclosure, what should be the guiding principles? Jane Thuo From: kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+info=amwik.org@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Grace Githaiga Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 11:09 AM To: info@amwik.org Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke; isoc@orion.my.co.ke Subject: [kictanet] Defining intermediary liability in Kenya Thanks Ali You raise important points which center on violation of privacy, denial by companies/brands to deny use of its domain(s) and really where do we draw the line as far as our freedoms are concerned. All these points have been noted. Listers, the floor is still open. We still go back to the questions raised yesterday: Question: 1. Are there other ways that we should define intermediaries? 2. What role should intermediaries play? 3. Considering that they do not create the content, should they be liable? And if so, in what ways? Please feel free to respond to any of the issues today, and tomorrow we can move on to the next step. Thanks you. Rgds Grace _____ CC: alice@apc.org; isoc@orion.my.co.ke; kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke From: ali@hussein.me.ke Subject: Re: [ISOC_KE] Defining intermediary liability in Kenya Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2012 06:03:03 +0300 To: ggithaiga@hotmail.com Grace and all A good piece on intermediary liability. I look forward to the discussions next week. This is a touchy area which in my opinion remains undefined and subject to interpretations depending on what side of the fence you find yourself. For example it is a known fact that the US Government periodically asks Google and other search engines to provide search histories of known Pedophiles. Is this a violation of one's privacy? Or can we argue that the Government is justified in this particular case? How about the fact that known and well established global companies/Brands like Amazon and PayPal were used to blunt the bite of wikileaks by denying it the use of its domain and payment systems? This is a clear case of the US Government coercing these companies to do something that doesn't pass muster in the name of 'National Security'. As a country where do we draw the line? At what point do we say this is for the good of the community and quash personal freedoms? Do our ideas of personal freedoms and the good of the community equate to the western value system? These are weighty questions that we as a society must address. And now. The ongoing cases of two bloggers charged with various offenses will be instrumental. The judiciary is faced with a situation of monumental delicateness and import. We do hope that they will treat it with the weightiness it deserves. I look forward to Wednesday's breakfast discussions. Ali Hussein +254 773/713 601113 Sent from my iPad On Oct 2, 2012, at 1:03 PM, Grace Githaiga <ggithaiga@hotmail.com> wrote: Listers Greetings. This is a follow up to Alice's email in which she shared a study on intermediary liability in Kenya, and inviting you to a discussion on the same. Internet intermediaries bring together or facilitate transactions between third parties on the Internet. They give access to, host, transmit and index content, products and services originated by third parties on the Internet or provide internet based services to third parties.' OECD identifies Internet intermediaries to include 'Internet access and service providers (ISPs), data processing and web hosting providers including domain name registrars, internet search engines and portals, internet payment systems, e-commerce intermediaries and participative networking platforms which include internet publishing and broadcasting platforms that do not themselves create or own content being published or broadcast'. providers as intermediaries since mobile telephony continues to set the stage for adoption of Internet access even though they are regulated under telecom laws. Intermediary liability was indirectly discussed on this list last week through the Piracy/WAPkid/Copyright discussion. Question: 1. Are there other ways that we should define intermediaries? 2. What role should intermediaries play? 3. Considering that they do not create the content, should they be liable? And if so, in what ways? Please feel free to respond to any of the issues. Rgds Grace _____ Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2012 19:57:35 +0300 From: alice@apc.org Subject: [kictanet] Discussion intermediary liability in Kenya CC: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke To: ggithaiga@hotmail.com Dear Colleagues, This is an invitation to a discussion on intermediary liability in Kenya starting tomorrow Tuesday 2nd October 2012, which will be followed by a breakfast meeting on 10th October at jacaranda hotel. See attached the initial findings of the study on Intermediary Liability in Kenya. We welcome comments. Please note that this initial report is a forthcoming publication, and it should not be cited publicly until November, when the final report will be made available. The study notes that there is a lack of a clear framework for liability of intermediaries and a lot of uncertainty in understanding our evolving post-constitution legislative environment particularly in "regards to what offenses may happen on communications networks and whether intermediaries would be liable or not, this may have contributed to caution and self-regulation. In addition, there seems to be no legislated take down procedures other than responding in court to whichever law was cited as broken. Do we need a "clear framework for liability of intermediaries, and safe harbor legislation? What are the strengths and weaknesses of the current situation? We would like to encourage policy discussions on these issues with the aim of providing concrete recommendations and way forward. Grace Githaiga and Victor Kapiyo will take it from here Best Alice This is a project of: * Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANET) * Open Society Initiative (OSI) * Association for Progressive Communications (APC) * Google * Ministry of Information and Communications * Telecommunications Service Providers Association of Kenya (TESPOK) _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/ggithaiga%40hotmail.co m The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. 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Alice, As always, I am encouraged by the vibrant debate and process I see on kictanet. My apologies if this has already been posted, but below please find a link to an OECD Workshop on the topic: "Expert Workshop on The Role of Internet Intermediaries in Advancing Public Policy Objectives" (Paris, 16 June 2010) http://www.oecd.org/sti/interneteconomy/expertworkshopontheroleofinternetint... This page has been updated with links to a book on the subject published in 2011 and Parts 1 and 2 of their study on the matter. "The Economic and Social Role of Internet intermediaries" [DSTI/ICCP(2009)9/FINAL], "The Role of Internet Intermediaries in Advancing Public Policy Objectives" [DSTI/ICCP(2010)11/FINAL] It might be useful also to view the Civil Society Information Society Advisory Council (http://csisac.org) comments: https://www.eff.org/document/csisac-comments-oecd-internet-intermediaries I know this is a lot of reading in a very busy time but thought it might be useful food for thought. Thanks, Chip **Disclaimer: The views expressed in this email are my personal views and do not represent the views of Cisco Systems or any other organization or delegation to which I might belong.** On Oct 1, 2012, at 12:57 PM, Alice Munyua wrote:
Dear Colleagues,
This is an invitation to a discussion on intermediary liability in Kenya starting tomorrow Tuesday 2nd October 2012, which will be followed by a breakfast meeting on 10th October at jacaranda hotel.
See attached the initial findings of the study on Intermediary Liability in Kenya. We welcome comments. Please note that this initial report is a forthcoming publication, and it should not be cited publicly until November, when the final report will be made available.
The study notes that there is a lack of a clear framework for liability of intermediaries and a lot of uncertainty in understanding our evolving post-constitution legislative environment particularly in "regards to what offenses may happen on communications networks and whether intermediaries would be liable or not, this may have contributed to caution and self-regulation.
In addition, there seems to be no legislated take down procedures other than responding in court to whichever law was cited as broken. Do we need a "clear framework for liability of intermediaries, and safe harbor legislation? What are the strengths and weaknesses of the current situation?
We would like to encourage policy discussions on these issues with the aim of providing concrete recommendations and way forward.
Grace Githaiga and Victor Kapiyo will take it from here
Best
Alice
This is a project of:
* Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANET) * Open Society Initiative (OSI) * Association for Progressive Communications (APC) * Google * Ministry of Information and Communications * Telecommunications Service Providers Association of Kenya (TESPOK)
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Dear Chip and all Thank you for sharing these valuable resources to enrich intermediary liability discussions. However, we have a more pressing issue to discuss, our "mobile switch off" (and here's a great article on that http://www.ihub.co.ke/blog/2012/10/phones-switch-off-how-it-was-done-why-and...) We will focus on that for a while and come back to the internet liability discussion after the breakfast meeting on 10th October. But this should not stop any lister from posting an opinion on the issue. Best Alice
Alice,
As always, I am encouraged by the vibrant debate and process I see on kictanet.
My apologies if this has already been posted, but below please find a link to an OECD Workshop on the topic: "Expert Workshop on The Role of Internet Intermediaries in Advancing Public Policy Objectives" (Paris, 16 June 2010) http://www.oecd.org/sti/interneteconomy/expertworkshopontheroleofinternetint...
This page has been updated with links to a book on the subject published in 2011 and Parts 1 and 2 of their study on the matter. "The Economic and Social Role of Internet intermediaries" [DSTI/ICCP(2009)9/FINAL], "The Role of Internet Intermediaries in Advancing Public Policy Objectives" [DSTI/ICCP(2010)11/FINAL]
It might be useful also to view the Civil Society Information Society Advisory Council (http://csisac.org) comments: https://www.eff.org/document/csisac-comments-oecd-internet-intermediaries
I know this is a lot of reading in a very busy time but thought it might be useful food for thought.
Thanks, Chip
**Disclaimer: The views expressed in this email are my personal views and do not represent the views of Cisco Systems or any other organization or delegation to which I might belong.**
On Oct 1, 2012, at 12:57 PM, Alice Munyua wrote:
Dear Colleagues,
This is an invitation to a discussion on intermediary liability in Kenya starting tomorrow Tuesday 2nd October 2012, which will be followed by a breakfast meeting on 10th October at jacaranda hotel.
See attached the initial findings of the study on Intermediary Liability in Kenya. We welcome comments. Please note that this initial report is a forthcoming publication, and it should not be cited publicly until November, when the final report will be made available.
The study notes that there is a lack of a clear framework for liability of intermediaries and a lot of uncertainty in understanding our evolving post-constitution legislative environment particularly in "regards to what offenses may happen on communications networks and whether intermediaries would be liable or not, this may have contributed to caution and self-regulation.
In addition, there seems to be no legislated take down procedures other than responding in court to whichever law was cited as broken. Do we need a "clear framework for liability of intermediaries, and safe harbor legislation? What are the strengths and weaknesses of the current situation?
We would like to encourage policy discussions on these issues with the aim of providing concrete recommendations and way forward.
Grace Githaiga and Victor Kapiyo will take it from here
Best
Alice
This is a project of:
* Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANET) * Open Society Initiative (OSI) * Association for Progressive Communications (APC) * Google * Ministry of Information and Communications * Telecommunications Service Providers Association of Kenya (TESPOK)
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Thanks AliceI agree we put on hold the discussion on intermediaries and come back to it after the physical meeting. RgdsGG
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2012 17:19:04 +0300 From: alice@apc.org Subject: Re: [kictanet] Discussion intermediary liability in Kenya CC: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke To: ggithaiga@hotmail.com
Dear Chip and all
Thank you for sharing these valuable resources to enrich intermediary liability discussions.
However, we have a more pressing issue to discuss, our "mobile switch off" (and here's a great article on that http://www.ihub.co.ke/blog/2012/10/phones-switch-off-how-it-was-done-why-and...)
We will focus on that for a while and come back to the internet liability discussion after the breakfast meeting on 10th October. But this should not stop any lister from posting an opinion on the issue.
Best Alice
Alice,
As always, I am encouraged by the vibrant debate and process I see on kictanet.
My apologies if this has already been posted, but below please find a link to an OECD Workshop on the topic: "Expert Workshop on The Role of Internet Intermediaries in Advancing Public Policy Objectives" (Paris, 16 June 2010) http://www.oecd.org/sti/interneteconomy/expertworkshopontheroleofinternetint...
This page has been updated with links to a book on the subject published in 2011 and Parts 1 and 2 of their study on the matter. "The Economic and Social Role of Internet intermediaries" [DSTI/ICCP(2009)9/FINAL], "The Role of Internet Intermediaries in Advancing Public Policy Objectives" [DSTI/ICCP(2010)11/FINAL]
It might be useful also to view the Civil Society Information Society Advisory Council (http://csisac.org) comments: https://www.eff.org/document/csisac-comments-oecd-internet-intermediaries
I know this is a lot of reading in a very busy time but thought it might be useful food for thought.
Thanks, Chip
**Disclaimer: The views expressed in this email are my personal views and do not represent the views of Cisco Systems or any other organization or delegation to which I might belong.**
On Oct 1, 2012, at 12:57 PM, Alice Munyua wrote:
Dear Colleagues,
This is an invitation to a discussion on intermediary liability in Kenya starting tomorrow Tuesday 2nd October 2012, which will be followed by a breakfast meeting on 10th October at jacaranda hotel.
See attached the initial findings of the study on Intermediary Liability in Kenya. We welcome comments. Please note that this initial report is a forthcoming publication, and it should not be cited publicly until November, when the final report will be made available.
The study notes that there is a lack of a clear framework for liability of intermediaries and a lot of uncertainty in understanding our evolving post-constitution legislative environment particularly in "regards to what offenses may happen on communications networks and whether intermediaries would be liable or not, this may have contributed to caution and self-regulation.
In addition, there seems to be no legislated take down procedures other than responding in court to whichever law was cited as broken. Do we need a "clear framework for liability of intermediaries, and safe harbor legislation? What are the strengths and weaknesses of the current situation?
We would like to encourage policy discussions on these issues with the aim of providing concrete recommendations and way forward.
Grace Githaiga and Victor Kapiyo will take it from here
Best
Alice
This is a project of:
* Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANET) * Open Society Initiative (OSI) * Association for Progressive Communications (APC) * Google * Ministry of Information and Communications * Telecommunications Service Providers Association of Kenya (TESPOK)
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Meanwhile, as consider these issues, here's some food for thought: Judge orders arrest of Brazil Google president Continue reading the main story<http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-19724403#story_continues_1>Related Stories - Google opens data centre in Chile<http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-19518307> - Rio anger over favela Google map<http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-13193503> A regional judge has ordered the arrest of Google's president in Brazil, Fabio Jose Silva Coelho, after the company failed to take down YouTube videos. Authorities say the videos are slanderous towards a candidate running in a city's election for mayor. See: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-19724403 And here is another related story: http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/news/2012/09/27/brazil-detains-google-chief... Cheers Victor On 3 October 2012 19:03, Grace Githaiga <ggithaiga@hotmail.com> wrote:
Thanks Alice I agree we put on hold the discussion on intermediaries and come back to it after the physical meeting.
Rgds GG
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2012 17:19:04 +0300 From: alice@apc.org Subject: Re: [kictanet] Discussion intermediary liability in Kenya CC: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke To: ggithaiga@hotmail.com
Dear Chip and all
Thank you for sharing these valuable resources to enrich intermediary liability discussions.
However, we have a more pressing issue to discuss, our "mobile switch off" (and here's a great article on that
http://www.ihub.co.ke/blog/2012/10/phones-switch-off-how-it-was-done-why-and... )
We will focus on that for a while and come back to the internet liability discussion after the breakfast meeting on 10th October. But this should not stop any lister from posting an opinion on the issue.
Best Alice
Alice,
As always, I am encouraged by the vibrant debate and process I see on
My apologies if this has already been posted, but below please find a
"Expert Workshop on The Role of Internet Intermediaries in Advancing Public Policy Objectives" (Paris, 16 June 2010)
http://www.oecd.org/sti/interneteconomy/expertworkshopontheroleofinternetint...
This page has been updated with links to a book on the subject
"The Economic and Social Role of Internet intermediaries" [DSTI/ICCP(2009)9/FINAL], "The Role of Internet Intermediaries in Advancing Public Policy Objectives" [DSTI/ICCP(2010)11/FINAL]
It might be useful also to view the Civil Society Information Society Advisory Council (http://csisac.org) comments:
https://www.eff.org/document/csisac-comments-oecd-internet-intermediaries
I know this is a lot of reading in a very busy time but thought it
might be useful food for thought.
Thanks, Chip
**Disclaimer: The views expressed in this email are my personal views
and do not represent the views of Cisco Systems or any other organization or delegation to which I might belong.**
On Oct 1, 2012, at 12:57 PM, Alice Munyua wrote:
Dear Colleagues,
This is an invitation to a discussion on intermediary liability in
Kenya starting tomorrow Tuesday 2nd October 2012, which will be followed by a breakfast meeting on 10th October at jacaranda hotel.
See attached the initial findings of the study on Intermediary
Liability in Kenya. We welcome comments. Please note that this initial report is a forthcoming publication, and it should not be cited publicly until November, when the final report will be made available.
The study notes that there is a lack of a clear framework for
In addition, there seems to be no legislated take down procedures
other than responding in court to whichever law was cited as broken. Do we need a "clear framework for liability of intermediaries, and safe harbor legislation? What are the strengths and weaknesses of the current situation?
We would like to encourage policy discussions on these issues with
Grace Githaiga and Victor Kapiyo will take it from here
Best
Alice
This is a project of:
* Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANET) * Open Society Initiative (OSI) * Association for Progressive Communications (APC) * Google * Ministry of Information and Communications * Telecommunications Service Providers Association of Kenya (TESPOK)
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-- Victor Kapiyo, LL.B ==================================================== *“Your attitude, not your aptitude, will determine your altitude” Zig Ziglar *
Good morning Listers I hope your week is starting well. Last week, we held a f2f breakfast meeting to discuss intermediary liability in Kenya. As promised by Alice, we would like to continue with this discussion for this week. As Kenya prepares for elections next year, and with all the political alignments taking place, we are likely to see intermediaries being blamed for carrying utterances of our politicians. The media has been blamed many times by politicians for ‘misquoting’ them yet in many instances there is video footage to confirm that the politicians did indeed say certain things. For those who watched the youtube video that ridiculed Prophet Muhammad and resulted in the killing of Christopher Stephens, the US ambassador to Libya and three American members of his staff by angry protesters (or lynch mob as some people called them), who would you say was wrong or where would you place the responsibility for this eventuality? Would you say it is the video producers or or youtube or who? Lets hear it from you listers. A wonderful week to all of you.RgdsGG
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2012 17:19:04 +0300 From: alice@apc.org Subject: Re: [kictanet] Discussion intermediary liability in Kenya CC: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke To: ggithaiga@hotmail.com
Dear Chip and all
Thank you for sharing these valuable resources to enrich intermediary liability discussions.
However, we have a more pressing issue to discuss, our "mobile switch off" (and here's a great article on that http://www.ihub.co.ke/blog/2012/10/phones-switch-off-how-it-was-done-why-and...)
We will focus on that for a while and come back to the internet liability discussion after the breakfast meeting on 10th October. But this should not stop any lister from posting an opinion on the issue.
Best Alice
Good evening Listers: I would like to pose two questions to the group. I was recently in Kenya and had the opportunity to interview many of you on the issue of intermediary liability in regard to the use of ICT platforms to promote social unrest and whether ISPs and telcos could shutdown ICT platforms. Thank you, again, to all of those with whom I spoke. I have learned a great deal from all of you. * * *Do you believe there will be any policies drafted to structure what ISPs and Telcos should do if their platforms are used for dissent that could promote violence? * I believe this issue was discussed by Victor Kapiyo at the July EAIGF held in Nairobi. * * *Has any of the discussion from the EAIGF been used to inform current sentiment toward intermediary liability?* Thank you very much, Brandie L. Martin -- Brandie Martin, M.S. Ph.D. Candidate and Graduate Fellow College of Communications The Pennsylvania State University blm5350@psu.edu website: http://brandiemartin.wordpress.com/ twitter: https://twitter.com/Brandie_Martin On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 12:24 AM, Grace Githaiga <ggithaiga@hotmail.com>wrote:
Good morning Listers
I hope your week is starting well.
Last week, we held a f2f breakfast meeting to discuss intermediary liability in Kenya. As promised by Alice, we would like to continue with this discussion for this week.
As Kenya prepares for elections next year, and with all the political alignments taking place, we are likely to see intermediaries being blamed for carrying utterances of our politicians. The media has been blamed many times by politicians for ‘misquoting’ them yet in many instances there is video footage to confirm that the politicians did indeed say certain things. ****
For those who watched the youtube video that ridiculed Prophet Muhammad and resulted in the killing of Christopher Stephens, the US ambassador to Libya and three American members of his staff by angry protesters (or lynch mob as some people called them), who would you say was wrong or where would you place the responsibility for this eventuality? Would you say it is the video producers or or youtube or who?****
Lets hear it from you listers.
A wonderful week to all of you.
Rgds
GG
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2012 17:19:04 +0300 From: alice@apc.org Subject: Re: [kictanet] Discussion intermediary liability in Kenya CC: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke To: ggithaiga@hotmail.com
Dear Chip and all
Thank you for sharing these valuable resources to enrich intermediary liability discussions.
However, we have a more pressing issue to discuss, our "mobile switch off" (and here's a great article on that
http://www.ihub.co.ke/blog/2012/10/phones-switch-off-how-it-was-done-why-and... )
We will focus on that for a while and come back to the internet liability discussion after the breakfast meeting on 10th October. But this should not stop any lister from posting an opinion on the issue.
Best Alice
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Hi Brandie On your second issue, yes it is happening. The meeting that took place last week was to disseminate the findings of the study on the topic. The main telcos were present and did express their sentiments on the matter. The Industry regulator was also present as well as the government represent by the PS Ministry of Info. We will share the final study once it is finalized and you will probably get more information. However, I know Listers will respond to you on the questions you have raised. RgdsGG Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 12:07:18 -0400 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Shooting the messenger? From: blm5350@psu.edu To: ggithaiga@hotmail.com CC: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Good evening Listers: I would like to pose two questions to the group. I was recently in Kenya and had the opportunity to interview many of you on the issue of intermediary liability in regard to the use of ICT platforms to promote social unrest and whether ISPs and telcos could shutdown ICT platforms. Thank you, again, to all of those with whom I spoke. I have learned a great deal from all of you. Do you believe there will be any policies drafted to structure what ISPs and Telcos should do if their platforms are used for dissent that could promote violence? I believe this issue was discussed by Victor Kapiyo at the July EAIGF held in Nairobi. Has any of the discussion from the EAIGF been used to inform current sentiment toward intermediary liability? Thank you very much,Brandie L. Martin -- Brandie Martin, M.S. Ph.D. Candidate and Graduate Fellow College of CommunicationsThe Pennsylvania State University blm5350@psu.edu website: http://brandiemartin.wordpress.com/ twitter: https://twitter.com/Brandie_Martin On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 12:24 AM, Grace Githaiga <ggithaiga@hotmail.com> wrote: Good morning Listers I hope your week is starting well. Last week, we held a f2f breakfast meeting to discuss intermediary liability in Kenya. As promised by Alice, we would like to continue with this discussion for this week. As Kenya prepares for elections next year, and with all the political alignments taking place, we are likely to see intermediaries being blamed for carrying utterances of our politicians. The media has been blamed many times by politicians for ‘misquoting’ them yet in many instances there is video footage to confirm that the politicians did indeed say certain things. For those who watched the youtube video that ridiculed Prophet Muhammad and resulted in the killing of Christopher Stephens, the US ambassador to Libya and three American members of his staff by angry protesters (or lynch mob as some people called them), who would you say was wrong or where would you place the responsibility for this eventuality? Would you say it is the video producers or or youtube or who? Lets hear it from you listers. A wonderful week to all of you. RgdsGG
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2012 17:19:04 +0300 From: alice@apc.org Subject: Re: [kictanet] Discussion intermediary liability in Kenya
CC: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke To: ggithaiga@hotmail.com
Dear Chip and all
Thank you for sharing these valuable resources to enrich intermediary liability discussions.
However, we have a more pressing issue to discuss, our "mobile switch
off" (and here's a great article on that http://www.ihub.co.ke/blog/2012/10/phones-switch-off-how-it-was-done-why-and...)
We will focus on that for a while and come back to the internet liability discussion after the breakfast meeting on 10th October. But this should not stop any lister from posting an opinion on the issue.
Best Alice
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Thank you, Grace. Yes, I am very interested in hearing more about the meeting held last week and cannot wait to read the report. I look forward to hearing from the other Listers on my two questions. Best, Brandie On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 5:34 PM, Grace Githaiga <ggithaiga@hotmail.com>wrote:
Hi Brandie
On your second issue, yes it is happening. The meeting that took place last week was to disseminate the findings of the study on the topic. The main telcos were present and did express their sentiments on the matter. The Industry regulator was also present as well as the government represent by the PS Ministry of Info.
We will share the final study once it is finalized and you will probably get more information.
However, I know Listers will respond to you on the questions you have raised. Rgds GG
------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 12:07:18 -0400
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Shooting the messenger? From: blm5350@psu.edu To: ggithaiga@hotmail.com CC: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke
Good evening Listers: I would like to pose two questions to the group. I was recently in Kenya and had the opportunity to interview many of you on the issue of intermediary liability in regard to the use of ICT platforms to promote social unrest and whether ISPs and telcos could shutdown ICT platforms. Thank you, again, to all of those with whom I spoke. I have learned a great deal from all of you. * * *Do you believe there will be any policies drafted to structure what ISPs and Telcos should do if their platforms are used for dissent that could promote violence? *
I believe this issue was discussed by Victor Kapiyo at the July EAIGF held in Nairobi. * * *Has any of the discussion from the EAIGF been used to inform current sentiment toward intermediary liability?*
Thank you very much, Brandie L. Martin
-- Brandie Martin, M.S.
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On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 12:24 AM, Grace Githaiga <ggithaiga@hotmail.com>wrote:
Good morning Listers
I hope your week is starting well.
Last week, we held a f2f breakfast meeting to discuss intermediary liability in Kenya. As promised by Alice, we would like to continue with this discussion for this week.
As Kenya prepares for elections next year, and with all the political alignments taking place, we are likely to see intermediaries being blamed for carrying utterances of our politicians. The media has been blamed many times by politicians for ‘misquoting’ them yet in many instances there is video footage to confirm that the politicians did indeed say certain things. ****
For those who watched the youtube video that ridiculed Prophet Muhammad and resulted in the killing of Christopher Stephens, the US ambassador to Libya and three American members of his staff by angry protesters (or lynch mob as some people called them), who would you say was wrong or where would you place the responsibility for this eventuality? Would you say it is the video producers or or youtube or who?****
Lets hear it from you listers.
A wonderful week to all of you.
Rgds
GG
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2012 17:19:04 +0300 From: alice@apc.org Subject: Re: [kictanet] Discussion intermediary liability in Kenya CC: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke To: ggithaiga@hotmail.com
Dear Chip and all
Thank you for sharing these valuable resources to enrich intermediary liability discussions.
However, we have a more pressing issue to discuss, our "mobile switch off" (and here's a great article on that
http://www.ihub.co.ke/blog/2012/10/phones-switch-off-how-it-was-done-why-and... )
We will focus on that for a while and come back to the internet liability discussion after the breakfast meeting on 10th October. But this should not stop any lister from posting an opinion on the issue.
Best Alice
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Brandie I believe there is movement towards legislating the issues you have raised. However, we ought to be careful how we move forward on this so that we don't risk a 'heavy foot' in an area where there is a lot of innovation going on right now. Its a delicate balance to protect free speech, the right of platforms to conduct business without the risk of litigation and the right of individuals and organisations to seek recourse in case of being maligned and falsely accused online. *Ali Hussein* Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 12:34 AM, Grace Githaiga <ggithaiga@hotmail.com>wrote:
Hi Brandie
On your second issue, yes it is happening. The meeting that took place last week was to disseminate the findings of the study on the topic. The main telcos were present and did express their sentiments on the matter. The Industry regulator was also present as well as the government represent by the PS Ministry of Info.
We will share the final study once it is finalized and you will probably get more information.
However, I know Listers will respond to you on the questions you have raised. Rgds GG
------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 12:07:18 -0400 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Shooting the messenger? From: blm5350@psu.edu To: ggithaiga@hotmail.com CC: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke
Good evening Listers: I would like to pose two questions to the group. I was recently in Kenya and had the opportunity to interview many of you on the issue of intermediary liability in regard to the use of ICT platforms to promote social unrest and whether ISPs and telcos could shutdown ICT platforms. Thank you, again, to all of those with whom I spoke. I have learned a great deal from all of you. * * *Do you believe there will be any policies drafted to structure what ISPs and Telcos should do if their platforms are used for dissent that could promote violence? *
I believe this issue was discussed by Victor Kapiyo at the July EAIGF held in Nairobi. * * *Has any of the discussion from the EAIGF been used to inform current sentiment toward intermediary liability?*
Thank you very much, Brandie L. Martin
-- Brandie Martin, M.S.
Ph.D. Candidate and Graduate Fellow College of Communications The Pennsylvania State University blm5350@psu.edu website: http://brandiemartin.wordpress.com/ twitter: https://twitter.com/Brandie_Martin
On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 12:24 AM, Grace Githaiga <ggithaiga@hotmail.com>wrote:
Good morning Listers
I hope your week is starting well.
Last week, we held a f2f breakfast meeting to discuss intermediary liability in Kenya. As promised by Alice, we would like to continue with this discussion for this week.
As Kenya prepares for elections next year, and with all the political alignments taking place, we are likely to see intermediaries being blamed for carrying utterances of our politicians. The media has been blamed many times by politicians for ‘misquoting’ them yet in many instances there is video footage to confirm that the politicians did indeed say certain things. ****
For those who watched the youtube video that ridiculed Prophet Muhammad and resulted in the killing of Christopher Stephens, the US ambassador to Libya and three American members of his staff by angry protesters (or lynch mob as some people called them), who would you say was wrong or where would you place the responsibility for this eventuality? Would you say it is the video producers or or youtube or who?****
Lets hear it from you listers.
A wonderful week to all of you.
Rgds
GG
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2012 17:19:04 +0300 From: alice@apc.org Subject: Re: [kictanet] Discussion intermediary liability in Kenya CC: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke To: ggithaiga@hotmail.com
Dear Chip and all
Thank you for sharing these valuable resources to enrich intermediary liability discussions.
However, we have a more pressing issue to discuss, our "mobile switch off" (and here's a great article on that
http://www.ihub.co.ke/blog/2012/10/phones-switch-off-how-it-was-done-why-and... )
We will focus on that for a while and come back to the internet liability discussion after the breakfast meeting on 10th October. But this should not stop any lister from posting an opinion on the issue.
Best Alice
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Putting weight on the shoulders of intermediaries is not the way to go. We are admitting that the public is so innocent that it cannot make right decisions based on what they see, read, or hear. This type of censorship will make us be like China. -- ______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva For Business Development Transworld Computer Channels Cel: 0722402248 twitter.com/lordmwesh transworldAfrica.com | Fluent in computing kenya.or.ke | The Kenya we know
Thanks Ali and Kivuva for continuing discussion on this thread. You both caution on the need to be careful in how intermediary liability is handled in terms legislation lest we restrict innovation. And yes Kivuva. Users are not exactly innocent since they are capable of making the right decisions on what to post. Please feel free to continue debate on this same thread.RgdsGG
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 10:09:24 +0300 From: Kivuva@transworldafrica.com Subject: Re: [kictanet] Shooting the messenger? CC: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke To: ggithaiga@hotmail.com
Putting weight on the shoulders of intermediaries is not the way to go. We are admitting that the public is so innocent that it cannot make right decisions based on what they see, read, or hear. This type of censorship will make us be like China.
-- ______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva For Business Development Transworld Computer Channels Cel: 0722402248 twitter.com/lordmwesh transworldAfrica.com | Fluent in computing kenya.or.ke | The Kenya we know
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Thank you to Ali Hussein, Mwendwa Kivuva, Barrack Otieno, Toepista Nabusoba, John Kariuki, and Grace Githaiga for contributing to this discussion on intermediary liability. With gratitude, Brandie L. Martin On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 8:47 AM, Grace Githaiga <ggithaiga@hotmail.com>wrote:
Thanks Ali and Kivuva for continuing discussion on this thread.
You both caution on the need to be careful in how intermediary liability is handled in terms legislation lest we restrict innovation. And yes Kivuva. Users are not exactly innocent since they are capable of making the right decisions on what to post.
Please feel free to continue debate on this same thread. Rgds GG
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 10:09:24 +0300 From: Kivuva@transworldafrica.com
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Shooting the messenger? CC: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke To: ggithaiga@hotmail.com
Putting weight on the shoulders of intermediaries is not the way to go. We are admitting that the public is so innocent that it cannot make right decisions based on what they see, read, or hear. This type of censorship will make us be like China.
-- ______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva For Business Development Transworld Computer Channels Cel: 0722402248 twitter.com/lordmwesh transworldAfrica.com | Fluent in computing kenya.or.ke | The Kenya we know
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Lordmwesh, I don'tthink its a question of putting weight on Intermediaries but making them aware of their roles and responsibilities with respect to informing educating and entertaining, freedom without responsibility is a recipe for chaos, better to arrest the situation before it gets out of hand, you realise how information has made the public more difficult to deal with by law enforcement agencies, the same freedom can be an Achilles heel to intermediaries one of the Intermediary representatives alluded to the fact that if we are not careful litigants with the money and know how can bring down the biggest of corporations through Law suits. Best Regards On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 3:35 AM, Brandie Martin <blm5350@psu.edu> wrote:
Thank you to Ali Hussein, Mwendwa Kivuva, Barrack Otieno, Toepista Nabusoba, John Kariuki, and Grace Githaiga for contributing to this discussion on intermediary liability.
With gratitude, Brandie L. Martin
On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 8:47 AM, Grace Githaiga <ggithaiga@hotmail.com>wrote:
Thanks Ali and Kivuva for continuing discussion on this thread.
You both caution on the need to be careful in how intermediary liability is handled in terms legislation lest we restrict innovation. And yes Kivuva. Users are not exactly innocent since they are capable of making the right decisions on what to post.
Please feel free to continue debate on this same thread. Rgds GG
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 10:09:24 +0300 From: Kivuva@transworldafrica.com
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Shooting the messenger? CC: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke To: ggithaiga@hotmail.com
Putting weight on the shoulders of intermediaries is not the way to go. We are admitting that the public is so innocent that it cannot make right decisions based on what they see, read, or hear. This type of censorship will make us be like China.
-- ______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva For Business Development Transworld Computer Channels Cel: 0722402248 twitter.com/lordmwesh transworldAfrica.com | Fluent in computing kenya.or.ke | The Kenya we know
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+ 1 Toepista, i understand some of the organisations set aside 50 million plus for litigation, the more reason as to why we need more responsibility meaning the veracity if the situation is appreciated. Best Regards On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 8:41 AM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com>wrote:
Lordmwesh,
I don'tthink its a question of putting weight on Intermediaries but making them aware of their roles and responsibilities with respect to informing educating and entertaining, freedom without responsibility is a recipe for chaos, better to arrest the situation before it gets out of hand, you realise how information has made the public more difficult to deal with by law enforcement agencies, the same freedom can be an Achilles heel to intermediaries one of the Intermediary representatives alluded to the fact that if we are not careful litigants with the money and know how can bring down the biggest of corporations through Law suits.
Best Regards
On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 3:35 AM, Brandie Martin <blm5350@psu.edu> wrote:
Thank you to Ali Hussein, Mwendwa Kivuva, Barrack Otieno, Toepista Nabusoba, John Kariuki, and Grace Githaiga for contributing to this discussion on intermediary liability.
With gratitude, Brandie L. Martin
On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 8:47 AM, Grace Githaiga <ggithaiga@hotmail.com>wrote:
Thanks Ali and Kivuva for continuing discussion on this thread.
You both caution on the need to be careful in how intermediary liability is handled in terms legislation lest we restrict innovation. And yes Kivuva. Users are not exactly innocent since they are capable of making the right decisions on what to post.
Please feel free to continue debate on this same thread. Rgds GG
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 10:09:24 +0300 From: Kivuva@transworldafrica.com
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Shooting the messenger? CC: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke To: ggithaiga@hotmail.com
Putting weight on the shoulders of intermediaries is not the way to go. We are admitting that the public is so innocent that it cannot make right decisions based on what they see, read, or hear. This type of censorship will make us be like China.
-- ______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva For Business Development Transworld Computer Channels Cel: 0722402248 twitter.com/lordmwesh transworldAfrica.com | Fluent in computing kenya.or.ke | The Kenya we know
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Good morning Listers This is a follow up to an invitation sent out last week for a breakfast meeting to discuss a study on intermediary liability in Kenya. Venue: Jacaranda Hotel Time: 7.00- 10.00 am The agenda is as follows: Welcome and background GG Initial findings of the Study Victor Kapiyo Recommendations Alice Munyua Key note Address Dr Bitange Ndemo Way forward and Discussions TESPOK Looking forward to seeing as many of you on Wednesday RgdsGG Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2012 19:57:35 +0300 From: alice@apc.org Subject: [kictanet] Discussion intermediary liability in Kenya CC: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke To: ggithaiga@hotmail.com Dear Colleagues, This is an invitation to a discussion on intermediary liability in Kenya starting tomorrow Tuesday 2nd October 2012, which will be followed by a breakfast meeting on 10th October at jacaranda hotel. See attached the initial findings of the study on Intermediary Liability in Kenya. We welcome comments. Please note that this initial report is a forthcoming publication, and it should not be cited publicly until November, when the final report will be made available. The study notes that there is a lack of a clear framework for liability of intermediaries and a lot of uncertainty in understanding our evolving post-constitution legislative environment particularly in "regards to what offenses may happen on communications networks and whether intermediaries would be liable or not, this may have contributed to caution and self-regulation. In addition, there seems to be no legislated take down procedures other than responding in court to whichever law was cited as broken. Do we need a "clear framework for liability of intermediaries, and safe harbor legislation? What are the strengths and weaknesses of the current situation? We would like to encourage policy discussions on these issues with the aim of providing concrete recommendations and way forward. Grace Githaiga and Victor Kapiyo will take it from here Best Alice This is a project of: Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANET) Open Society Initiative (OSI) Association for Progressive Communications (APC) Google Ministry of Information and Communications Telecommunications Service Providers Association of Kenya (TESPOK) _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/ggithaiga%40hotmail.co... The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
Dear Grace and Kictanet subscribers: Does anyone know if the the meeting will be webcast and/or recorded for distribution online? I am very interested in participating. If you are not video recording, could I please Skype in to the meeting? Thank you for your help, Brandie L. Martin On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 2:50 AM, Grace Githaiga <ggithaiga@hotmail.com>wrote:
Good morning Listers****
This is a follow up to an invitation sent out last week for a breakfast meeting to discuss a study on intermediary liability in Kenya. ****
Venue: *Jacaranda Hotel*****
Time: *7.00- 10.00 am*****
*The agenda is as follows:*****
Welcome and background * GG*****
* *Initial findings of the Study *Victor Kapiyo*****
* *Recommendations *Alice Munyua*****
* *Key note Address *Dr Bitange Ndemo*****
* *Way forward and Discussions *TESPOK*****
Looking forward to seeing as many of you on Wednesday
Rgds GG
------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2012 19:57:35 +0300 From: alice@apc.org Subject: [kictanet] Discussion intermediary liability in Kenya CC: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke To: ggithaiga@hotmail.com
Dear Colleagues,
This is an invitation to a discussion on intermediary liability in Kenya starting tomorrow Tuesday 2nd October 2012, which will be followed by a breakfast meeting on 10th October at jacaranda hotel.
See attached the initial findings of the study on Intermediary Liability in Kenya. We welcome comments. Please note that this initial report is a forthcoming publication, and it should not be cited publicly until November, when the final report will be made available.
The study notes that there is a lack of a clear framework for liability of intermediaries and a lot of uncertainty in understanding our evolving post-constitution legislative environment particularly in "regards to what offenses may happen on communications networks and whether intermediaries would be liable or not, this may have contributed to caution and self-regulation.
In addition, there seems to be no legislated take down procedures other than responding in court to whichever law was cited as broken. Do we need a "clear framework for liability of intermediaries, and safe harbor legislation? What are the strengths and weaknesses of the current situation?
We would like to encourage policy discussions on these issues with the aim of providing concrete recommendations and way forward.
Grace Githaiga and Victor Kapiyo will take it from here
Best
Alice
This is a project of:
- Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANET) - Open Society Initiative (OSI) - Association for Progressive Communications (APC) - Google - Ministry of Information and Communications - Telecommunications Service Providers Association of Kenya (TESPOK)
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Dear Listers I hope had a great day. This is the final programme for tomorrow's breakfast meeting. This will be a paperless meeting and therefore we will not be printing this programme. Looking forward to seeing many of you. Breakfast Meeting on Intermediary Liability in Kenya Date: October 10, 2012 Venue: Jacaranda Hotel Time: 7.00- 10.00 am Welcome and background Grace Githaiga, KICTANet Initial findings of the Study Victor Kapiyo, KICTANet Recommendations Alice Munyua, KICTANet Remarks by the Industry Regulator Francis Wangusi, Director General, CCK Key note Address Dr Bitange Ndemo, PS, Ministry of Information and Communication Way forward and Discussions Fiona Asoga, TESPOK
Dear Listers I hope had a great day. This is the final programme for tomorrow's breakfast meeting. This will be a paperless meeting and therefore we will not be printing this programme. Looking forward to seeing many of you. Breakfast Meeting on Intermediary Liability in Kenya Date: October 10, 2012 Venue: Jacaranda Hotel Time: 7.00- 10.00 am Welcome and background Grace Githaiga, KICTANet Initial findings of the Study Victor Kapiyo, KICTANet Recommendations Alice Munyua, KICTANet Remarks by the Industry Regulator Francis Wangusi, Director General, CCK Key note Address Dr Bitange Ndemo, PS, Ministry of Information and Communication Way forward and Discussions Fiona Asonga, TESPOK _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/ggithaiga%40hotmail.co... The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
participants (9)
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Ali Hussein -
Alice Munyua -
Barrack Otieno -
Brandie Martin -
Chip Sharp (chsharp) -
Grace Githaiga -
Info -
Kivuva -
Victor Kapiyo