Re: [kictanet] State to partner with Israeli firm to create online database of Kenyans
Yes....except that the most vocal civil society are funded by alien governments, vested interests and private corporation to whom they have alligience. When the funders say "jump" they automatically jump, without questioning. So? What quarantee is there that the biometric data will actuall not be stored in far flung places, accessed under foreign laws? Number two; Its interesting how diasporic views lash at many local, such as these, initiatives, yet in the developed countries where they live collection and analysing ofDNA (let alone biometric) info of cheating wives, hubbies, rapists, murderers, etc is routine yet they never raise a voice. Anyway, government is obligated to have indisputable proof of her citizens. Otherwise government can then legitimately decline to issue such a person a national ID and or passport, if exist doubts about their indisputable citizenship status. Alternatively, every citizen excercises their "right to be forgotten" by the government and we all live happily ever after. Research goes on... ------------------------------ On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 5:14 PM MSKS Warigia Bowman via kictanet wrote:
Yes, I would rather have a database in civil society's hands. And further, there is no need to have the database be biometric, unless your goal is to track people, find out whether they are crossing borders and controlling their movements.
Imagine if Moi had a biometric database of dissidents?
Now, a basic database of citizens that was open is a different matter.
Yours, Rigia
On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 10:40 PM, mkawasi <[email protected]> wrote:
Warigia,
I agree. Citizen databases are a control tool for govt. That's why they should not be in the hands of governments. In citizens' hands, they can be a great empowering tool (mobilization & organization, brain-banking, lobbying, etc). It would be the most powerful tool for diaspora. Mk
From my Android phone on T-Mobile. The first nationwide 4G network.
Warigia Bowman <[email protected]> wrote: Mpendwa Ndugu Kariuki
It is never too late in the day to fight for our freedom. You are very correct that we need an appropriate legal and institutional framework to deal with the matter, as well as a vigorous public debate about the pros and cons of this policy.
I think that my US passport is connected to a biometric database, but my US drivers' license is not.
I remain skeptical. I think that biometric databases are a form of command and control of the population. Check out the book Seeing Like A State by Scott.
Sincerely, Warigia
On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 1:10 PM, John Kariuki < [email protected]> wrote:
Warigia,
I see where you are going and I ,with very good reasons, share your concerns. However,it is a bit late in the day to go that way because a substantial number of governments even in democratic countries have already implemented biometric databases. What we lack in Kenya is the appropriate legal and institutional framework to deal with the matter.This include lack of any(let alone adequate) legislation on personal data protection.When prepared this would require to be bechmarked with the best international practices, including UNGA Guidelines for the Regulation of Computerised Personal Data Files,Resolution 45/95 of 14 December 1990,CoE Convention on Data Protection and EU Directive 95/46/EC on Data Protection.
My 2 cents,
John Kariuki.
On Monday, 18 August 2014, 22:35, Warigia Bowman via kictanet < [email protected]> wrote:
Dear colleagues,
I think creating biometric databases of all citizens can reduce our civil liberties, but others may disagree.
Thoughts?
Rigia
On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 2:54 AM, Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet < [email protected]> wrote:
This is interesting, why? 1. PPPs should be guided by an open and transparent process where GoK advertises for those with intent to partner to apply. This didn't happen. 2. If there is no competition, how do we ensure we are getting value for money? 3. Whatever happened to building some of these solutions locally. Yet another 1000 software engineers jobs we have exported to Israel to help them build more bombs to break up Gaza! Waithaka Ngigi Alliance Technologies Nairobi, Kenya www.A1.io <http://www.a1.io/> On 17 Aug 2014 01:04, "S.M. Muraya via kictanet" < [email protected]> wrote:
Not sure why we need Israelis to build this database for Kenya. They could guide/train us but it is not for non Kenyans to lead its development and management.
http://www.nation.co.ke/business/Online-Database-Technology-Public-Servants-...
Kenyan State to partner with Israeli firm to create online database of Kenyans
Note comments made in 2009.....
*Israel Poised To Pass National I.D. Database Law*
By Nathan Jeffay
Published August 12, 2009, issue of August 21, 2009.
HAIFA, ISRAEL — Israel may become the only democratic country to take biometric information from all citizens and store it in a database.
The plan, approved by a Knesset committee and set for a final vote in the fall, is expected to pass easily, as the largest opposition party and the government support the bill. But that apparently won’t prevent outraged human rights organizations, academics and grass-roots activists from spending the rest of the summer protesting the plan.
Champions of the database say it is crucial for Israel’s security. “The danger to the state in the present situation, in which there is no database of biometric information, is critical,” according to Kadima lawmaker Meir Sheetrit, who drafted the bill.
But opponents say that it actually will jeopardize security. “If such a database gets in the hands of a foreign country or terrorist organization, they will be able to identify any Israeli anywhere by their fingerprints or their picture,” claimed computer security expert Eli Biham, dean of computer science at Israel’s leading high-tech research institution, the Haifa-based Technion – Israel Institute of Technology.
Read more: http://forward.com/articles/112033/israel-poised-to-pass-national-id-databas...
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UK Academics shunned Wise Kenyans for opposing theocracy in the 2010 Constitution. https://www.opendemocracy.net/daniel-branch/kenya%E2%80%99s-referendum-%E2%8... Factoring terrorist (constitutional, physical and psychological) infiltration at the Kenyan Coast, in May 2014 the British closed their consulate in Mombasa. https://www.gov.uk/government/world-location-news/uk-closes-mombasa-consulat... http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/article/2000007568/church-accuses-state-of-be... Like in 2010, Wise Kenyans are being ignored about the 2015 referendum, which is about devolving more funds, not about building systems to account for funds in counties and locations. These funds will develop civility in some counties and terrorist militias in others ): It is now about Referendum Funds/Politics vs Information Systems/Funds Accountability. Regards Murigi / Stanley Muraya *"Better a patient person than a warrior, one with self-control than one who takes a city." Prov 16:32* On Sat, Aug 23, 2014 at 6:32 AM, ICT Researcher via kictanet < [email protected]> wrote:
Yes....except that the most vocal civil society are funded by alien governments, vested interests and private corporation to whom they have alligience. When the funders say "jump" they automatically jump, without questioning. So? What quarantee is there that the biometric data will actuall not be stored in far flung places, accessed under foreign laws?
Number two; Its interesting how diasporic views lash at many local, such as these, initiatives, yet in the developed countries where they live collection and analysing ofDNA (let alone biometric) info of cheating wives, hubbies, rapists, murderers, etc is routine yet they never raise a voice.
Anyway, government is obligated to have indisputable proof of her citizens. Otherwise government can then legitimately decline to issue such a person a national ID and or passport, if exist doubts about their indisputable citizenship status.
Alternatively, every citizen excercises their "right to be forgotten" by the government and we all live happily ever after.
Research goes on...
------------------------------ On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 5:14 PM MSKS Warigia Bowman via kictanet wrote:
Yes, I would rather have a database in civil society's hands. And further, there is no need to have the database be biometric, unless your goal is to track people, find out whether they are crossing borders and controlling their movements.
Imagine if Moi had a biometric database of dissidents?
Now, a basic database of citizens that was open is a different matter.
Yours, Rigia
On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 10:40 PM, mkawasi <[email protected]> wrote:
Warigia,
I agree. Citizen databases are a control tool for govt. That's why they should not be in the hands of governments. In citizens' hands, they can be a great empowering tool (mobilization & organization, brain-banking, lobbying, etc). It would be the most powerful tool for diaspora. Mk
From my Android phone on T-Mobile. The first nationwide 4G network.
Warigia Bowman <[email protected]> wrote: Mpendwa Ndugu Kariuki
It is never too late in the day to fight for our freedom. You are very correct that we need an appropriate legal and institutional framework to deal with the matter, as well as a vigorous public debate about the pros and cons of this policy.
I think that my US passport is connected to a biometric database, but my US drivers' license is not.
I remain skeptical. I think that biometric databases are a form of command and control of the population. Check out the book Seeing Like A State by Scott.
Sincerely, Warigia
On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 1:10 PM, John Kariuki < [email protected]> wrote:
Warigia,
I see where you are going and I ,with very good reasons, share your concerns. However,it is a bit late in the day to go that way because a substantial number of governments even in democratic countries have already implemented biometric databases. What we lack in Kenya is the appropriate legal and institutional framework to deal with the matter.This include lack of any(let alone adequate) legislation on personal data protection.When prepared this would require to be bechmarked with the best international practices, including UNGA Guidelines for the Regulation of Computerised Personal Data Files,Resolution 45/95 of 14 December 1990,CoE Convention on Data Protection and EU Directive 95/46/EC on Data Protection.
My 2 cents,
John Kariuki.
On Monday, 18 August 2014, 22:35, Warigia Bowman via kictanet < [email protected]> wrote:
Dear colleagues,
I think creating biometric databases of all citizens can reduce our civil liberties, but others may disagree.
Thoughts?
Rigia
On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 2:54 AM, Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet < [email protected]> wrote:
This is interesting, why? 1. PPPs should be guided by an open and transparent process where GoK advertises for those with intent to partner to apply. This didn't happen. 2. If there is no competition, how do we ensure we are getting value for money? 3. Whatever happened to building some of these solutions locally. Yet another 1000 software engineers jobs we have exported to Israel to help them build more bombs to break up Gaza! Waithaka Ngigi Alliance Technologies Nairobi, Kenya www.A1.io <http://www.a1.io/> On 17 Aug 2014 01:04, "S.M. Muraya via kictanet" < [email protected]> wrote:
Not sure why we need Israelis to build this database for Kenya. They could guide/train us but it is not for non Kenyans to lead its development and management.
http://www.nation.co.ke/business/Online-Database-Technology-Public-Servants-...
Kenyan State to partner with Israeli firm to create online database of Kenyans
Note comments made in 2009.....
*Israel Poised To Pass National I.D. Database Law*
By Nathan Jeffay
Published August 12, 2009, issue of August 21, 2009.
HAIFA, ISRAEL — Israel may become the only democratic country to take biometric information from all citizens and store it in a database.
The plan, approved by a Knesset committee and set for a final vote in
fall, is expected to pass easily, as the largest opposition party and
the the
government support the bill. But that apparently won’t prevent outraged human rights organizations, academics and grass-roots activists from spending the rest of the summer protesting the plan.
Champions of the database say it is crucial for Israel’s security. “The danger to the state in the present situation, in which there is no database of biometric information, is critical,” according to Kadima lawmaker Meir Sheetrit, who drafted the bill.
But opponents say that it actually will jeopardize security. “If such a database gets in the hands of a foreign country or terrorist organization, they will be able to identify any Israeli anywhere by their fingerprints or their picture,” claimed computer security expert Eli Biham, dean of computer science at Israel’s leading high-tech research institution, the Haifa-based Technion – Israel Institute of Technology.
Read more:
http://forward.com/articles/112033/israel-poised-to-pass-national-id-databas...
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