Prime Time data; is safaricom ready?
As the price war on voice escalates and the margins drop exponentially as the mobile providers move to take positions in the data realm, are Safaricom and the other mobile providers ready for prime time data services? Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 8:32 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
As the price war on voice escalates and the margins drop exponentially as the mobile providers move to take positions in the data realm, are Safaricom and the other mobile providers ready for prime time data services?
What are "prime time data services"? -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Damn!!
On 01/02/2011, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 8:32 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
As the price war on voice escalates and the margins drop exponentially as the mobile providers move to take positions in the data realm, are Safaricom and the other mobile providers ready for prime time data services?
What are "prime time data services"?
I also don't know who these 'prime time data services'!!!
-- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Damn!!
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The new Safaricom/Cisco/Tata Communications TelePresence suites<http://www.ratio-magazine.com/201102013823/Corporate-Press-Releases/Kenya-Press-Releases-Safaricom-and-Tata-Communications-Launch-East-Africas-First-Public-TelePrese.html>maybe? That looks quite prime to me. On 1 February 2011 11:03, Solomon Mburu Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com> wrote:
On 01/02/2011, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 8:32 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
As the price war on voice escalates and the margins drop exponentially as the mobile providers move to take positions in the data realm, are Safaricom and the other mobile providers ready for prime time data services?
What are "prime time data services"?
I also don't know who these 'prime time data services'!!!
-- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Damn!!
-- *Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau*
***************************************************** *Man is a gregarious animal and enjoys agreement as cows will graze all the same way to the side of a hill!*
AND
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Definitely with a rate of US$ 400 per hour it definitely is prime time for the partners in that group, maybe Airtel can mucky the waters by offering a competing product at $1/- per hour. Now all we need to do is leverage the technology to sort out the issue of over crowding in our primary schools and soon our National schools. If one presenter in Nairobi can present to audiences in Amsterdam, New York, Paris and Istanbul having the same replicated in Karachuonyo, Moyale and Chepalungu should be a synch or is it? And the digital divide widens right before our eyes Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From: Andrea Bohnstedt <andrea.bohnstedt@ratio-magazine.com> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Tue, 1 February, 2011 12:59:34 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Prime Time data; is safaricom ready? The new Safaricom/Cisco/Tata Communications TelePresence suites maybe? That looks quite prime to me. On 1 February 2011 11:03, Solomon Mburu Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com> wrote: On 01/02/2011, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 8:32 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
As the price war on voice escalates and the margins drop exponentially as the mobile providers move to take positions in the data realm, are Safaricom and the other mobile providers ready for prime time data services?
What are "prime time data services"?
I also don't know who these 'prime time data services'!!!
-- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Damn!!
-- *Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau*
***************************************************** *Man is a gregarious animal and enjoys agreement as cows will graze all the same way to the side of a hill!*
AND
*It is better to die in dignity than in the ignominy of ambiguous generosity! *
http://smiley2.wordpress.com http://mburu.sikika.co.ke
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On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 1:45 PM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Definitely with a rate of US$ 400 per hour it definitely is prime time for the partners in that group, maybe Airtel can mucky the waters by offering a competing product at $1/- per hour.
Now all we need to do is leverage the technology to sort out the issue of over crowding in our primary schools and soon our National schools.
If one presenter in Nairobi can present to audiences in Amsterdam, New York, Paris and Istanbul having the same replicated in Karachuonyo, Moyale and Chepalungu should be a synch or is it?
Robert, Perhaps you should wait until the govt finalizes on the plans to roll out 4G/LTE platform, then we can start discussing the possibility of the options raised by you? To use your own examples, do you suppose there is 3G in Moyale? Is there WiMax in Chepalungu? Broadband (forget 3G in this case as it only works well when there is no voice traffic) connectivity is still very wanting in KE. You should not be overexcited about this. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Damn!!
Hi, There are landlines in all those locations, which raises an interesting issue, why did we find it more important to lay a cable for thousands of miles to some distant shore yet we had not interconnected our counties? If you have noticed you can now watch DSTV on your mobile phone which should suggest to you that a broadcast does not require 4G and the questions from the students can be sent via SMS. Why do we keep moving the goal posts yet the solutions are right in front of us or is it just a case of not wanting to solve the problem? Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From: Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> To: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Tue, 1 February, 2011 13:59:20 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Prime Time data; is safaricom ready? On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 1:45 PM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: Definitely with a rate of US$ 400 per hour it definitely is prime time for the partners in that group, maybe Airtel can mucky the waters by offering a competing product at $1/- per hour.
Now all we need to do is leverage the technology to sort out the issue of over crowding in our primary schools and soon our National schools.
If one presenter in Nairobi can present to audiences in Amsterdam, New York, Paris and Istanbul having the same replicated in Karachuonyo, Moyale and Chepalungu should be a synch or is it?
Robert, Perhaps you should wait until the govt finalizes on the plans to roll out 4G/LTE platform, then we can start discussing the possibility of the options raised by you? To use your own examples, do you suppose there is 3G in Moyale? Is there WiMax in Chepalungu? Broadband (forget 3G in this case as it only works well when there is no voice traffic) connectivity is still very wanting in KE. You should not be overexcited about this. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Damn!!
That one presenter in Nairobi most likely belongs to a company that can afford USD400 an hour, and for which this makes good business sense since using this conferencing platform will cut down on travel and related costs. In the next few years, I expect that it would be a lot more affordable and effective if the Ministry of Education got a grip on those FPE and other funds that inexplicably go safari, generally tidies up its business, trains teachers, makes enough teachers available throughout the country, reduces class size etc - a whole bunch of very common-sense measures. For primary school pupils in particular, a teacher right in front of them who can walk around the class is important. They are still learning to learn - it's not a matter of sitting them down in front of a feed of information. Andrea On 1 February 2011 13:59, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 1:45 PM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk>wrote:
Definitely with a rate of US$ 400 per hour it definitely is prime time for the partners in that group, maybe Airtel can mucky the waters by offering a competing product at $1/- per hour.
Now all we need to do is leverage the technology to sort out the issue of over crowding in our primary schools and soon our National schools.
If one presenter in Nairobi can present to audiences in Amsterdam, New York, Paris and Istanbul having the same replicated in Karachuonyo, Moyale and Chepalungu should be a synch or is it?
Robert,
Perhaps you should wait until the govt finalizes on the plans to roll out 4G/LTE platform, then we can start discussing the possibility of the options raised by you? To use your own examples, do you suppose there is 3G in Moyale? Is there WiMax in Chepalungu? Broadband (forget 3G in this case as it only works well when there is no voice traffic) connectivity is still very wanting in KE. You should not be overexcited about this.
-- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Damn!!
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Even at $400 it is reasonable. We often travel to provinces to talk to our field staff. Usually up to four people at a time to one destination to cover various topics. Airfare alone cost Ksh. 40,000 to say Mombasa alone before getting to Kisumu, Kakamega, Garisa, Nakuru, Embu and Nyeri. With Telepresence, you save on time by doing it at once and continue to attend to other matters. The per diem saved in such a meeting will run into some two million in travel, accomodation and out of pocket expenses. Even at institutions it makes a lot of sense. At UON whenever we had a class at Bandari College, it meant you suspend your classes at the main campus. Then you get paid more for working out of station. It cost the University in hard cash more than Ksh. 100,000 everytime a lecturer travelled out of town to teach for three hours in two days. The cost of suspended classes is indeed expensive. Ndemo.
That one presenter in Nairobi most likely belongs to a company that can afford USD400 an hour, and for which this makes good business sense since using this conferencing platform will cut down on travel and related costs.
In the next few years, I expect that it would be a lot more affordable and effective if the Ministry of Education got a grip on those FPE and other funds that inexplicably go safari, generally tidies up its business, trains teachers, makes enough teachers available throughout the country, reduces class size etc - a whole bunch of very common-sense measures.
For primary school pupils in particular, a teacher right in front of them who can walk around the class is important. They are still learning to learn - it's not a matter of sitting them down in front of a feed of information.
Andrea
On 1 February 2011 13:59, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 1:45 PM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk>wrote:
Definitely with a rate of US$ 400 per hour it definitely is prime time for the partners in that group, maybe Airtel can mucky the waters by offering a competing product at $1/- per hour.
Now all we need to do is leverage the technology to sort out the issue of over crowding in our primary schools and soon our National schools.
If one presenter in Nairobi can present to audiences in Amsterdam, New York, Paris and Istanbul having the same replicated in Karachuonyo, Moyale and Chepalungu should be a synch or is it?
Robert,
Perhaps you should wait until the govt finalizes on the plans to roll out 4G/LTE platform, then we can start discussing the possibility of the options raised by you? To use your own examples, do you suppose there is 3G in Moyale? Is there WiMax in Chepalungu? Broadband (forget 3G in this case as it only works well when there is no voice traffic) connectivity is still very wanting in KE. You should not be overexcited about this.
-- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Damn!!
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Hi Andrea, I like Dr. Ndemo's response crisp and precise but unfortunately it will not be actioned because the staff have actually factored in the allowances and an opportunity to get out of town. In addition those who lease plans and provide booking and logistics for the government are well connected. Parliament needs to be the first to implement the telepresence by initially setting up in each province and then move down to the district/county over time. The cost of $400/- has everything to do with the fact that Cisco's telepresence servers are in Europe, this service would be more effective if the servers where in Nairobi, but I stand corrected. All this is beside the point of this thread, mine is to find out if we can entrust the mobile providers with our critical data requirements if any of you out there has a positive story on this please share. Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From: Andrea Bohnstedt <andrea.bohnstedt@ratio-magazine.com> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Tue, 1 February, 2011 14:33:56 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Prime Time data; is safaricom ready? That one presenter in Nairobi most likely belongs to a company that can afford USD400 an hour, and for which this makes good business sense since using this conferencing platform will cut down on travel and related costs. In the next few years, I expect that it would be a lot more affordable and effective if the Ministry of Education got a grip on those FPE and other funds that inexplicably go safari, generally tidies up its business, trains teachers, makes enough teachers available throughout the country, reduces class size etc - a whole bunch of very common-sense measures. For primary school pupils in particular, a teacher right in front of them who can walk around the class is important. They are still learning to learn - it's not a matter of sitting them down in front of a feed of information. Andrea On 1 February 2011 13:59, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 1:45 PM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Definitely with a rate of US$ 400 per hour it definitely is prime time for the partners in that group, maybe Airtel can mucky the waters by offering a competing product at $1/- per hour.
Now all we need to do is leverage the technology to sort out the issue of over crowding in our primary schools and soon our National schools.
If one presenter in Nairobi can present to audiences in Amsterdam, New York, Paris and Istanbul having the same replicated in Karachuonyo, Moyale and Chepalungu should be a synch or is it?
Robert, Perhaps you should wait until the govt finalizes on the plans to roll out 4G/LTE platform, then we can start discussing the possibility of the options raised by you? To use your own examples, do you suppose there is 3G in Moyale? Is there WiMax in Chepalungu? Broadband (forget 3G in this case as it only works well when there is no voice traffic) connectivity is still very wanting in KE. You should not be overexcited about this.
-- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Damn!!
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Prime time is the daypart (block of a day's programming schedule) with the most viewers and is generally where television networks and local stations reap much of their advertising revenues. - Wikipedia With relation to data services Prime Time are services that are mission critical and that need to be up 90% or more as outages within that windows could be disastrous to a business. An analogy could be loss of power during the world cup finals. This requires seamless provision of inter-branch connectivity, remote users, mobile users, B2B, B2C, redundancy, SLAs and security all in a single package. Providing reliable and flexible solutions to meet the clients needs, the mobile providers are moving into fixed wireless and wired services which require site visits and high level of client interaction as opposed to the mobile services they are used to where you can get away with phone and "carry in" support. Transitioning from wireless to fixed services is more difficult than the reverse, many of you will soon understand why it too KPTC aka Telkom aka Orange days if not weeks to resolve a faulty landline we are about to go full circle as the messiah mobile provides delve into the world of fixed. I hope I have been able to justify my use of the term primetime. Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From: Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> To: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Tue, 1 February, 2011 9:49:32 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Prime Time data; is safaricom ready? On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 8:32 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: As the price war on voice escalates and the margins drop exponentially as the mobile providers move to take positions in the data realm, are Safaricom and the other mobile providers ready for prime time data services? What are "prime time data services"? -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Damn!!
On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 1:39 PM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Prime time is the daypart <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daypart> (block of a day's programming schedule) with the most viewers and is generally where television networks<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Television_networks> and local stations reap much of their advertising revenues. - Wikipedia
With relation to data services Prime Time are services that are mission critical and that need to be up 90% or more as outages within that windows could be disastrous to a business. An analogy could be loss of power during the world cup finals.
This requires seamless provision of inter-branch connectivity, remote users, mobile users, B2B, B2C, redundancy, SLAs and security all in a single package.
Providing reliable and flexible solutions to meet the clients needs, the mobile providers are moving into fixed wireless and wired services which require site visits and high level of client interaction as opposed to the mobile services they are used to where you can get away with phone and "carry in" support.
Transitioning from wireless to fixed services is more difficult than the reverse, many of you will soon understand why it too KPTC aka Telkom aka Orange days if not weeks to resolve a faulty landline we are about to go full circle as the messiah mobile provides delve into the world of fixed.
I hope I have been able to justify my use of the term primetime.
So, your question was directed at Safaricom/Airtel/Orange/Yu, as opposed to list members! No wonder I failed to understand the direction of the question. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Damn!!
Hi, I question is addressed to list members who have had the opportunity to interact with the various mobile providers data services and what they feel is the situation in relation to the services and products available. It might also be a question to them to seriously consider if they are ready to take on the incumbents in the critical services domain as there model until now as been based on a democracy type system one to one relationship. We are talking of going beyond the dongle on a students laptop doing research and socialising to a centralised banking system being accessed remotely. The realm they are entering is where a single link will serve multiple users such as with a inter branch connection where downtime and unreliable service affect many users. It is now clear why Orange are busy dusting their line plant (cable in the ground) as they await to compete in a domain they know very well. Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From: Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> To: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Tue, 1 February, 2011 13:54:57 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Prime Time data; is safaricom ready? On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 1:39 PM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: Prime time is the daypart (block of a day's programming schedule) with the most viewers and is generally where television networks and local stations reap much of their advertising revenues. - Wikipedia
With relation to data services Prime Time are services that are mission critical and that need to be up 90% or more as outages within that windows could be disastrous to a business. An analogy could be loss of power during the world cup finals.
This requires seamless provision of inter-branch connectivity, remote users, mobile users, B2B, B2C, redundancy, SLAs and security all in a single package.
Providing reliable and flexible solutions to meet the clients needs, the mobile providers are moving into fixed wireless and wired services which require site visits and high level of client interaction as opposed to the mobile services they are used to where you can get away with phone and "carry in" support.
Transitioning from wireless to fixed services is more difficult than the reverse, many of you will soon understand why it too KPTC aka Telkom aka Orange days if not weeks to resolve a faulty landline we are about to go full circle as the messiah mobile provides delve into the world of fixed.
I hope I have been able to justify my use of the term primetime.
So, your question was directed at Safaricom/Airtel/Orange/Yu, as opposed to list members! No wonder I failed to understand the direction of the question. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Damn!!
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