Re: [kictanet] Declining English grammar in our Newsprint
Gaitho, I also agree that some of those who grumble may not have the requisite qualifications. Some are also afraid to apply for jobs. But it is also true some are good but have not got jobs in the local media industry. Oloo Janak ________________________________ From: Macharia Gaitho <mgaitho@ke.nationmedia.com> To: william janak <williamjanak@yahoo.com> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 11:12 AM Subject: RE: [kictanet] Declining English grammar in our Newsprint Good people, I really get disturbed with all these blanket statements about good editors unable to get jobs “because they do not know someone or have no money to bribe” as good Dr Ndemo puts it. Some of us spend ages trying to get the best people available, but they are hard to get. This market is critically short of good sub-editors, and I’m quite sure no one with the required skills would miss a position at any of the main media houses. All too often it is the mediocre who forever complain that they cannot get jobs because they do not know the right person, are not from the right tribe, or do not have money to bribe This morning I watched a TV talk show featuring assistant minister for Youth Wavinya Ndeti. One of the callers was grumbling that he has a degree in IT, but the only jobs available through the ‘Kazi kwa Vijana’ programme was digging trenches. An IT graduate is looking at Kazi kwa Vijana? He does not know what his peers, young Kenyans, are doing developing programmes and applications and creating jobs? These must be the kind of fellows who forever grumble about discrimination and corruption in the job market, but show no initiative on how they can apply their training and skills to create their own jobs. Or maybe they are just so useless no one will employ them in the first place. From:kictanet-bounces+mgaitho=nation.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+mgaitho=nation.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of william janak Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 10:54 AM To: Macharia Gaitho Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Declining English grammar in our Newsprint I want to agree with Dr. Ndemo. Taking work seriously is important. Again, certainly, there are many good, top notch editors, who have no chance of being hired locally because of all the considerations we know. I know a friend of mine in Rwanda who is in the process of poaching/engaging some of them and I will actively help some of our colleagues to lin up with him and other openings in the region if they are not appreciated at home. There are many people who take language casually. It requires sustained improvement to master the language-English or any other. Oloo Janak. From:"bitange@jambo.co.ke" <bitange@jambo.co.ke> To: williamjanak@yahoo.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 8:08 AM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Declining English grammar in our Newsprint Catherine, I think we are approaching this discussion the wrong way. If you have been employed to be an Editor, then be the best in the World. You simply have to take the job seriously. You need to watch Michael Jackson's "This is it" in order to understand what taking your job seriously mean. You will begin to understand why he was good. Similarly, we can have good editors. The Indians have succeeded in this yet we think we have better grasp of the language. There are good Editors out there but they are kept out of the job either because they do not know someone or have no money to bribe and get the job. Do we know how the hiring is done? For us to succeed we must first accept our inadequacies, our rotten habbits, our biases, our tribalist tendancies, our ... There is no sabstitute for hard work and transparency. If we embrace these simple rules, our publications will change over night. It is time we accept that governance issue for this country does not only affect the Government. We must get rid of it from our society. This is the root cause of our bad image in everything we do. Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: Catherine Adeya <elizaslider@yahoo.com> Sender: kictanet-bounces+bitange=jambo.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.keDate: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 09:02:00 To: <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Reply-To: Catherine Adeya <elizaslider@yahoo.com> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Declining English grammar in our Newsprint _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bitange%40jambo.co.ke The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. 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Dear William: I agree with you -- in part.And may be it's all because our economy is 'such a baby' to be able to sustain the best status required in employee distribution at different functional and business process levels. Note, gramatical errors are all over the place, especially on websites [led by Government websites]. I say this because, I feel our problems are largely that we do not endeavor to "specialize" on what we do, so that we can do it better and better every time we make an attempt. Work is simply divided in terms of roles. An employer may employ an editor but the editor end ups doing many other things. Both the former and the later do not invest in learning to acquire specific skills and tools of trade to do well at the editing job. Both in public and private sector, we are not keep to specialize and learn, towards taking control of what we do. All the time, we do things 'halfheartedly', not surely and convincingly. May be this is changing as we approach Kenya Vision 2030. There are many unemployed Kenyans, with good qualifications.........but you find employers struggling to maintain a small workforce that is hardly focused or consistent at what they do. Take for example 'Government ICT employees', they are simply employed as ICT Officers. None of them is employed to specifically deal with certain issues e.g. just web content management. Not web development or design or even web analysis. Until we learn how to specialize, thus creating space and jobs for others who are jobless...............we will never be complete. There will always be gaps and 'grammatical errors'. -- John Njoroge IT Strategist
Gaitho, I was one time in the Diaspora. Some of my friends working for global newsprints made many attempts to come home and work for some of our national newsprints. Unfortunately, they were not able to get the jobs in spite of making every attempt to be considered and work in their motherland. It is not encouraging when such people apply and they do not even get a reply. I can share with you some of these outstanding CVs with a proven record. Ndemo. From: kictanet-bounces+bndemo=information.go.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+bndemo=information.go.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of william janak Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 11:56 AM To: Bitange Ndemo Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Declining English grammar in our Newsprint Gaitho, I also agree that some of those who grumble may not have the requisite qualifications. Some are also afraid to apply for jobs. But it is also true some are good but have not got jobs in the local media industry. Oloo Janak From: Macharia Gaitho <mgaitho@ke.nationmedia.com> To: william janak <williamjanak@yahoo.com> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 11:12 AM Subject: RE: [kictanet] Declining English grammar in our Newsprint Good people, I really get disturbed with all these blanket statements about good editors unable to get jobs “because they do not know someone or have no money to bribe” as good Dr Ndemo puts it. Some of us spend ages trying to get the best people available, but they are hard to get. This market is critically short of good sub-editors, and I’m quite sure no one with the required skills would miss a position at any of the main media houses. All too often it is the mediocre who forever complain that they cannot get jobs because they do not know the right person, are not from the right tribe, or do not have money to bribe This morning I watched a TV talk show featuring assistant minister for Youth Wavinya Ndeti. One of the callers was grumbling that he has a degree in IT, but the only jobs available through the ‘Kazi kwa Vijana’ programme was digging trenches. An IT graduate is looking at Kazi kwa Vijana? He does not know what his peers, young Kenyans, are doing developing programmes and applications and creating jobs? These must be the kind of fellows who forever grumble about discrimination and corruption in the job market, but show no initiative on how they can apply their training and skills to create their own jobs. Or maybe they are just so useless no one will employ them in the first place. From: kictanet-bounces+mgaitho=nation.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+mgaitho=nation.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of william janak Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 10:54 AM To: Macharia Gaitho Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Declining English grammar in our Newsprint I want to agree with Dr. Ndemo. Taking work seriously is important. Again, certainly, there are many good, top notch editors, who have no chance of being hired locally because of all the considerations we know. I know a friend of mine in Rwanda who is in the process of poaching/engaging some of them and I will actively help some of our colleagues to lin up with him and other openings in the region if they are not appreciated at home. There are many people who take language casually. It requires sustained improvement to master the language-English or any other. Oloo Janak. From: "bitange@jambo.co.ke" <bitange@jambo.co.ke> To: williamjanak@yahoo.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 8:08 AM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Declining English grammar in our Newsprint Catherine, I think we are approaching this discussion the wrong way. If you have been employed to be an Editor, then be the best in the World. You simply have to take the job seriously. You need to watch Michael Jackson's "This is it" in order to understand what taking your job seriously mean. You will begin to understand why he was good. Similarly, we can have good editors. The Indians have succeeded in this yet we think we have better grasp of the language. There are good Editors out there but they are kept out of the job either because they do not know someone or have no money to bribe and get the job. Do we know how the hiring is done? For us to succeed we must first accept our inadequacies, our rotten habbits, our biases, our tribalist tendancies, our ... There is no sabstitute for hard work and transparency. If we embrace these simple rules, our publications will change over night. It is time we accept that governance issue for this country does not only affect the Government. We must get rid of it from our society. This is the root cause of our bad image in everything we do. Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: Catherine Adeya <elizaslider@yahoo.com> Sender: kictanet-bounces+bitange=jambo.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.keDate: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 09:02:00 To: <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Reply-To: Catherine Adeya <elizaslider@yahoo.com> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Declining English grammar in our Newsprint _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bitange%40jambo.co.ke The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. 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