Are Mobicoms Impoverishing "Emerging Markets"?
Taking a bird's view, floating a conspiracy theory, and inviting your comments... The Financial Post 9 -15 April 2007 issue, contains an article titled "Billion Dollar Baby" Carlos Slim Helú's fortune is up almost $20 billion a year, built amid poverty and resentment in Mexico. Now he is gaining on Warren Buffett. (attached) This is old news now for Carlos is now the world's richest man. Slim has a substantial influence over the telecommunications industry [and media] in Mexico and much of Latin America as well. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlos_Slim_Hel%C3%BA There are/can be two camps here, one paying homage to new richest men in our worlds or those feeling the havoc caused by mobicoms dominance by worsening poverty levels in developing nations. This is why I say, andstand to be corrected, "In the current situation ICTs cause more poverty than prosperity." http://www.bdafrica.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=363&Itemid=5810. With this wealth and power at their disposal, I fear that it could be just a matter of time before they start deciding on DNs governments. A hypothetical Fabian bored with too much wealth, succeeded at his ultimate game to an entire society: - "After a man has far more money than he can possibly spend for pleasure, what is left to excite him? For those with a ruling class mentality, the answer is power - raw power over other human beings. The idealists were used in the media and in Government, but the real controllers that Fabian sought were those of the ruling class mentality." http://www.relfe.com/plus_5_.html Another example, I have been following on how spying devices were found inside key components of the Vodafone network in Greece, which was being used to monitor conversations of 103 people, including the Greek Prime Minister, Costas Karamanlis and his wife. Today I read this article http://www.cellular-news.com/story/27648.php An earlier story "Death muddies Greek spy probe" can be found here http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4838552.stm 3 cents... [mind mentioning where you got this compilation if you must to use it somewhere else? ("creative commons":) Thanks]
Alex Very interesting look at the situation, however i somehow beg to differ, As much as we in private sector do not like policy makers that much, when you look from the public sector angle and as a national citizen you get to realise why you need effective, logical, educated and reasonable policy makers who can create the balance that is definately missing in the mexico angle. If the market can generate that much wealth regulations/ policy should be in place to make sure that the benefits are equitably distributed. If the private sector and in this case Mr slim has the ability to generate that much revenue surely they should be proper policy to help him make even more but also to make sure that the wider public benefit. Your issue of wealth giving people power and ultimately having looneys in powerful positions with the ability to do havoc all over the world I think has already happened in some far away country we all know and look at the results. So that situation cannot be helped but ultimately the power rests with the people who empower the policy makers who then should govern or regulate the industrialists who ultimately support our economies through the taxes they pay and jobs they create. So bottom line it is all about educating the masses to make the right initial decision about who and how they should be Governed (the issue of governance). In most systems it boils down to 2 basic issues, the people and their knowledge. If we get that right, the rest will fall in place, if we get it wrong you will have the imbalances we have. If you think about it and now i bring in the ICT issues too, if we actively get involved in the global discussions on policy for example if Africa represents 14% of the worlds population but only 3% of it's internet users, I would have expected to see more interest from African states at the IGF, but that was not the case. If you ask me how we performed i would also say in the scheme of things not bad but on the report card i would say we failed miserably. So once again we are waiting for someone else to come speak for us a continent. so when you say I quote : "This is why I say, and stand to be corrected, "In the current situation ICTs cause more poverty than prosperity." " end of quote. Just a like a fast car if not controlled well it will hurt or even kill you, ICT's will get you to prosperity allot faster than traditional methods but if not well managed (governed) they will cause poverty. my slightly more than 3 cents or should i say shillings.
Dear Alex, Am sorry but you have not said anything new, this is not about ICT but just the human nature. In the words of Dr. Ndemo, please can you allow me to differ with you.... Carlos like any other human whether rich by ICT or Oil or Diamonds etc can either behave well towards society or be evil. Google says "do no evil". George Soros, one of my long standing heroes and mentors of all time, who went up (hedged) against the Queens pound and made a fortune overnight still behaves well towards society. He has being funding and a great thinker of the Open Society concept which seeks to give all humans a say and a part of our societal development - that is distribution of resources and the establishment of a high platform for civil engagement which takes cognisance of the fact that every human being is unique and has a unique contribution to the common good so MUST be given a CHANCE to do so. If you check the records carefully, there is no revolution of time that gives even the poor a chance at wealth than the ICT revolution. In the Agricultural age, you needed lots of money to buy land and farm inputs etc to participate in that ages wealth arena. In the industrial revolution, you know what it took but in the ICT age, my good old friend, started the biggest software company in Africa (okay, i also stand to be corrected.....:-) with an old computer that his father had discarded in their storeroom and bootstraped to become a giant. You cant start a farm or industry that way. Well, you also know the famous Bill Gates story. Alex, i like challenging the status quo and rethinking things and arguments but in the scheme of things those of us who belong to this revolution must settle and shipout this steroe type argument that beats on the gains and opportunities provided by ICTs to the developing world. Bill Gates, made that same argument on CNN some five years ago that Africa needs food, clean water etc and not computers but today he has not only changed his stand but he is busy locking African governments into the Micorsoft platform. Can you ever imagine that the richest man in the world could come from a developing country if it is not for ICT and how on earth can Africa be leading the entire world on something if it was not for the mobile revolution? To cut a long story short, it is not about ICTs but human nature and thats why i now subscribe to school of thought that we need to go back to the same basics of human discipline, honesty, faithfullness, hardwork, commitment etc Eric here On 26 Nov 2007, at 15:45, Alex Gakuru wrote:
Taking a bird's view, floating a conspiracy theory, and inviting your comments...
The Financial Post 9 -15 April 2007 issue, contains an article titled "Billion Dollar Baby" Carlos Slim Helú's fortune is up almost $20 billion a year, built amid poverty and resentment in Mexico. Now he is gaining on Warren Buffett. (attached)
This is old news now for Carlos is now the world's richest man. Slim has a substantial influence over the telecommunications industry [and media] in Mexico and much of Latin America as well. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlos_Slim_Hel%C3%BA
There are/can be two camps here, one paying homage to new richest men in our worlds or those feeling the havoc caused by mobicoms dominance by worsening poverty levels in developing nations. This is why I say, andstand to be corrected, "In the current situation ICTs cause more poverty than prosperity." http://www.bdafrica.com/index.php? option=com_content&task=view&id=363&Itemid=5810.
With this wealth and power at their disposal, I fear that it could be just a matter of time before they start deciding on DNs governments. A hypothetical Fabian bored with too much wealth, succeeded at his ultimate game to an entire society: -
"After a man has far more money than he can possibly spend for pleasure, what is left to excite him? For those with a ruling class mentality, the answer is power - raw power over other human beings. The idealists were used in the media and in Government, but the real controllers that Fabian sought were those of the ruling class mentality." http://www.relfe.com/plus_5_.html
Another example, I have been following on how spying devices were found inside key components of the Vodafone network in Greece, which was being used to monitor conversations of 103 people, including the Greek Prime Minister, Costas Karamanlis and his wife. Today I read this article http://www.cellular-news.com/story/27648.php
An earlier story "Death muddies Greek spy probe" can be found here http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4838552.stm
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Hi Eric, Thanks for your comments, I am pleased to debate... --- Eric Osiakwan <eric@afrispa.org> wrote:
Dear Alex,
Am sorry but you have not said anything new,
I did not claim that it was "new", and in fact, I stated that it was a compilation.
this is not about ICT but just the human nature.
Carlos like any other human whether rich by ICT or Oil or Diamonds etc can either behave well towards society or be evil.
Yes this is true but remember also that ICTs are a quite different from minerals in that they affect everyone i.e. whereas one can choose to wear a gold, diamond, or brass ring everyone,unless in jail, has no option but to receive news and communicate with every other human, remote or near. I introduce remote because most cannot afford to sail or jet across the globe, though it's an option provide by Oil products
This UNESCO publication raises ethical vulnerabilities questions such as RFID to monitor how employees spend their private time that *unethical* information handlers could exploit to violate others rights/control societies. http://unesdoc.unesco.org/images/0014/001499/149992E.pdf An example "Landlord arrested for spying on tenants" <http://www.reuters.com/article/oddlyEnoughNews/idUSN2731953620071127?feedType=RSS&feedName=oddlyEnoughNews&rpc=69>
If you check the records carefully, there is no revolution of time that gives even the poor a chance at wealth than the ICT revolution.
This is why it ICT is so special and concentrating it on one person is very dangerous.
but in the ICT age, my good old friend, started the biggest software company in Africa.
In essence these possibilities are what we must preserve by avoiding emergent Private Monopolies.
Alex, i like challenging the status quo and rethinking things and arguments but in the scheme of things those of us who belong to this revolution must settle and shipout this steroe type argument that beats on the gains and opportunities provided by ICTs to the developing world.
Feel free to give opposed point of views. I invited comments:)
Can you ever imagine that the richest man in the world could come from a developing country
But should we proud of the richest man coming from our midst, or with how he has (negated) sum total of individuals' prosperity. The "balancing" pointed out Ntege was reasonable to me.
if it is not for ICT and how on earth can Africa be leading the entire world on something if it was not for the mobile revolution?
Indeed ICTs are invcredibly powerful enablers to endless innovation possibilities.
To cut a long story short, it is not about ICTs but human nature and thats why i now subscribe to school of thought that we need to go back to the same basics of human discipline, honesty, faithfullness, hardwork, commitment etc
Sorry though I cannot quite relate these to my initial post, but it might interested you read the "Happy Slave" theory.["Understanding Behaviorism: Science, Behavior, and Culture", By William M. Baum, http://books.google.com/books?id=B2Fkuw76DxoC&pg=PA180&lpg=PA180&dq=%22happy+slave%22&source=web&ots=6kCHMzMOx9&sig=PYEzkmHtE3VInoiy3T8y_GHt_wc Do not allow yourself to be made one:) Best, Alex ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/sports;_ylt=At9_qDKvtAbMuh1G1SQtBI7ntAcJ
Alex, Mo Ibrahim made soo much money by bootstrapping Celtel from nothing to the point he sold it and make enough money that he is the one now paying for the retirement benefits of Africa leaders so they dont corrupt their regime. That means more Africa leaders have a reason to live decent lives and rule their people without touching public money that does not belong to them and when they have served nobly, the Mo Ibrahim Foundation would give them a good enough benefit so their life after a good public service is decent and makes a better society. Please forgive me my indulgence but i got a bit passionate about this subject.... Eric here On 26 Nov 2007, at 15:45, Alex Gakuru wrote:
Taking a bird's view, floating a conspiracy theory, and inviting your comments...
The Financial Post 9 -15 April 2007 issue, contains an article titled "Billion Dollar Baby" Carlos Slim Helú's fortune is up almost $20 billion a year, built amid poverty and resentment in Mexico. Now he is gaining on Warren Buffett. (attached)
This is old news now for Carlos is now the world's richest man. Slim has a substantial influence over the telecommunications industry [and media] in Mexico and much of Latin America as well. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlos_Slim_Hel%C3%BA
There are/can be two camps here, one paying homage to new richest men in our worlds or those feeling the havoc caused by mobicoms dominance by worsening poverty levels in developing nations. This is why I say, andstand to be corrected, "In the current situation ICTs cause more poverty than prosperity." http://www.bdafrica.com/index.php? option=com_content&task=view&id=363&Itemid=5810.
With this wealth and power at their disposal, I fear that it could be just a matter of time before they start deciding on DNs governments. A hypothetical Fabian bored with too much wealth, succeeded at his ultimate game to an entire society: -
"After a man has far more money than he can possibly spend for pleasure, what is left to excite him? For those with a ruling class mentality, the answer is power - raw power over other human beings. The idealists were used in the media and in Government, but the real controllers that Fabian sought were those of the ruling class mentality." http://www.relfe.com/plus_5_.html
Another example, I have been following on how spying devices were found inside key components of the Vodafone network in Greece, which was being used to monitor conversations of 103 people, including the Greek Prime Minister, Costas Karamanlis and his wife. Today I read this article http://www.cellular-news.com/story/27648.php
An earlier story "Death muddies Greek spy probe" can be found here http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4838552.stm
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Eric The problem is 5 million is nothing to a corrupt president that figure would be good to junior ministers in those african countries that we want to fight corruption Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device -----Original Message----- From: Eric Osiakwan <eric@afrispa.org> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 05:33:00 To:ntegeb@one2net.co.ug Cc:KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Are Mobicoms Impoverishing "Emerging Markets"? - one more example Alex, Mo Ibrahim made soo much money by bootstrapping Celtel from nothing to the point he sold it and make enough money that he is the one now paying for the retirement benefits of Africa leaders so they dont corrupt their regime. That means more Africa leaders have a reason to live decent lives and rule their people without touching public money that does not belong to them and when they have served nobly, the Mo Ibrahim Foundation would give them a good enough benefit so their life after a good public service is decent and makes a better society. Please forgive me my indulgence but i got a bit passionate about this subject.... Eric here On 26 Nov 2007, at 15:45, Alex Gakuru wrote: Taking a bird's view, floating a conspiracy theory, and inviting your comments... The Financial Post 9 -15 April 2007 issue, contains an article titled "Billion Dollar Baby" Carlos Slim Helú's fortune is up almost $20 billion a year, built amid poverty and resentment in Mexico. Now he is gaining on Warren Buffett. (attached) This is old news now for Carlos is now the world's richest man. Slim has a substantial influence over the telecommunications industry [and media] in Mexico and much of Latin America as well. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlos_Slim_Hel%C3%BA <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlos_Slim_Hel%C3%BA> There are/can be two camps here, one paying homage to new richest men in our worlds or those feeling the havoc caused by mobicoms dominance by worsening poverty levels in developing nations. This is why I say, andstand to be corrected, "In the current situation ICTs cause more poverty than prosperity." http://www.bdafrica.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=36... <http://www.bdafrica.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=363&Itemid=5810> . With this wealth and power at their disposal, I fear that it could be just a matter of time before they start deciding on DNs governments. A hypothetical Fabian bored with too much wealth, succeeded at his ultimate game to an entire society: - "After a man has far more money than he can possibly spend for pleasure, what is left to excite him? For those with a ruling class mentality, the answer is power - raw power over other human beings. The idealists were used in the media and in Government, but the real controllers that Fabian sought were those of the ruling class mentality." http://www.relfe.com/plus_5_.html <http://www.relfe.com/plus_5_.html> Another example, I have been following on how spying devices were found inside key components of the Vodafone network in Greece, which was being used to monitor conversations of 103 people, including the Greek Prime Minister, Costas Karamanlis and his wife. Today I read this article http://www.cellular-news.com/story/27648.php <http://www.cellular-news.com/story/27648.php> An earlier story "Death muddies Greek spy probe" can be found here http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4838552.stm <http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4838552.stm> 3 cents... [mind mentioning where you got this compilation if you must to use it somewhere else? ("creative commons":) Thanks] <BillionDollarBaby.gif>_______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet <http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet> This message was sent to: eric@afrispa.org <mailto:eric@afrispa.org> Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/eric%40afrispa.org <http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/eric%40afrispa.org> Eric M.K Osiakwan Executive Secretary AfrISPA (www.afrispa.org <http://www.afrispa.org> ) Tel: + 233.21.258800 ext 2031 Fax: + 233.21.258811 Cell: + 233.244.386792 Handle: eosiakwan Snail Mail: Pmb 208, Accra-North Office: BusyInternet - 42 Ring Road Central, Accra-North Blog: http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/eric/ <http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/eric/> Slang: "Tomorrow Now" _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: ntegeb@one2net.co.ug Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/ntegeb%40one2net.co.ug
Mr. Ntege, I guess you realise that we have a process and delivery problem with the KICTANET list so my substantial submission was delivered after this hence, you need to revert to that submission. Am sure you would get the substance of my submission because this was just another example which boarders on the principle and not necessarily the figures. Eric here On 29 Nov 2007, at 20:22, ntegeb@one2net.co.ug wrote:
Eric
The problem is 5 million is nothing to a corrupt president that figure would be good to junior ministers in those african countries that we want to fight corruption Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device
-----Original Message----- From: Eric Osiakwan <eric@afrispa.org>
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 05:33:00 To:ntegeb@one2net.co.ug Cc:KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Are Mobicoms Impoverishing "Emerging Markets"? - one more example
Alex, Mo Ibrahim made soo much money by bootstrapping Celtel from nothing to the point he sold it and make enough money that he is the one now paying for the retirement benefits of Africa leaders so they dont corrupt their regime. That means more Africa leaders have a reason to live decent lives and rule their people without touching public money that does not belong to them and when they have served nobly, the Mo Ibrahim Foundation would give them a good enough benefit so their life after a good public service is decent and makes a better society.
Please forgive me my indulgence but i got a bit passionate about this subject....
Eric here
On 26 Nov 2007, at 15:45, Alex Gakuru wrote:
Taking a bird's view, floating a conspiracy theory, and inviting your comments...
The Financial Post 9 -15 April 2007 issue, contains an article titled "Billion Dollar Baby" Carlos Slim Helú's fortune is up almost $20 billion a year, built amid poverty and resentment in Mexico. Now he is gaining on Warren Buffett. (attached)
This is old news now for Carlos is now the world's richest man. Slim has a substantial influence over the telecommunications industry [and media] in Mexico and much of Latin America as well. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlos_Slim_Hel%C3%BA <http:// en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlos_Slim_Hel%C3%BA>
There are/can be two camps here, one paying homage to new richest men in our worlds or those feeling the havoc caused by mobicoms dominance by worsening poverty levels in developing nations. This is why I say, andstand to be corrected, "In the current situation ICTs cause more poverty than prosperity." http://www.bdafrica.com/index.php? option=com_content&task=view&id=363&Itemid=5810 <http:// www.bdafrica.com/index.php? option=com_content&task=view&id=363&Itemid=5810> .
With this wealth and power at their disposal, I fear that it could be just a matter of time before they start deciding on DNs governments. A hypothetical Fabian bored with too much wealth, succeeded at his ultimate game to an entire society: -
"After a man has far more money than he can possibly spend for pleasure, what is left to excite him? For those with a ruling class mentality, the answer is power - raw power over other human beings. The idealists were used in the media and in Government, but the real controllers that Fabian sought were those of the ruling class mentality." http://www.relfe.com/plus_5_.html <http://www.relfe.com/ plus_5_.html>
Another example, I have been following on how spying devices were found inside key components of the Vodafone network in Greece, which was being used to monitor conversations of 103 people, including the Greek Prime Minister, Costas Karamanlis and his wife. Today I read this article http://www.cellular-news.com/story/27648.php <http:// www.cellular-news.com/story/27648.php>
An earlier story "Death muddies Greek spy probe" can be found here http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4838552.stm <http:// news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4838552.stm>
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On Nov 30, 2007 9:37 AM, Eric Osiakwan <eric@afrispa.org> wrote:
I guess you realise that we have a process and delivery problem with the KICTANET list so my substantial submission was delivered after this hence, you need to revert to that submission.
That problem is severely, and adverserly, affecting quality discussion. I keep switching email systems since last time I asked I was informed Yahoo was the problem.
Am sure you would get the substance of my submission because this was just another example which boarders on the principle and not necessarily the figures.
I still think to be the richest, figures must me computed. Alex
On 29 Nov 2007, at 20:22, ntegeb@one2net.co.ug wrote:
Eric
The problem is 5 million is nothing to a corrupt president that figure would be good to junior ministers in those african countries that we want to fight corruption Sent from my BlackBerry(R) wireless device
-----Original Message----- From: Eric Osiakwan <eric@afrispa.org>
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 05:33:00 To:ntegeb@one2net.co.ug Cc:KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Are Mobicoms Impoverishing "Emerging Markets"? - one more example
Alex, Mo Ibrahim made soo much money by bootstrapping Celtel from nothing to the point he sold it and make enough money that he is the one now paying for the retirement benefits of Africa leaders so they dont corrupt their regime. That means more Africa leaders have a reason to live decent lives and rule their people without touching public money that does not belong to them and when they have served nobly, the Mo Ibrahim Foundation would give them a good enough benefit so their life after a good public service is decent and makes a better society.
Please forgive me my indulgence but i got a bit passionate about this subject....
Eric here
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