Re: [kictanet] To be or not to be a pseudonymous blogger
Greetings Barrack, Can the internet justify its being "driven by trust"? Let us take banking which in the last week has tried to convince Kenyans not to run react, that all banks are not falling in Kenya or pulling out of Kenya through the Kenya Bankers Association adverts. This is a coordinated effort by the players to have a system that builds relative trust (note the word relative). Secondly banks operate in a similar way - central clearing house which gives the government a point to reference with on that is happening in the industry even if there may still be slip ups and covert activities such as money laundering The internet appears to the rule of the jungle. Even more the Government itself seems to have no point to have "real" control or coordination.The creators seem to have this control. Perhaps this should've been done when the internet was invented. Again this also takes us to the question, who owns the internet? Because they would have all the answers - from control, access, coordination which is a role that Governments play in most if not all sectors.Or is the Government to redefine its role where the internet is concerned? PS: Na Barrack ukitumia majina makubwa makubwa like Social Engineering - you explain. Blessed day. Regards/Wangari --- Pray God Bless. 2013Wangari circa - "Being of the Light, We are Restored Through Faith in Mind, Body and Spirit; We Manifest The Kingdom of God on Earth". -------------------------------------------- On Tue, 15/3/16, Barrack Otieno via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Subject: Re: [kictanet] To be or not to be a pseudonymous blogger To: wangarikabiru@yahoo.co.uk Cc: "Barrack Otieno" <otieno.barrack@gmail.com>, "Nanjira Sambuli" <nanjira@ihub.co.ke> Date: Tuesday, 15 March, 2016, 13:49 Many thanks Ebele, I agree with Nanjira's postulation. Whereas Cabinet Secretary Mucheru's view point may be justified to a certain extent, it wouldn't be prudent since it will curtail the growth and developement of the Internet which has partly been driven by trust. My humble opinion is that if we take care of the Infrastructure issues such as natting, we don't need to worry about Pseudonym's. One way would be to encourage adoption of IP V 6 which avails an Internet Protocol address for every device which would in turn make it easy to trace sources of information. The government could also adopt an approach of educate users through Social Engineering. This is my opinion but i stand to be corrected. Best Regards On 3/15/16, Ebele Okobi via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Just a clarification- Facebook absolutely agrees that there should be spaces on the Internet where
people can share anonymously, including some of our own properties, like
Instagram. That said, Facebook itself is a space where community and trust depend upon people being able to connect with people they know, so Facebook
"real"
community standards require people to use names they are known to use in life.
We do not
taken down if and when they are reported to us, and we include mechanisms for reporting fake names or accounts
proactively moderate for this, but fake accounts are definitely directly in the platform so that anyone
on Facebook, whether or not the reporting person has an account, can
report.
Screen shot of report flow pasted below- [image1.PNG]
Ebele Okobi | Head of Public Policy, Africa m. +44 (0) 771 156 1315<tel:+44%20(0)%20771%20156%201315> 10 Brock Street | London<x-apple-data-detectors://0/1> | NW1 3FG ebeleokobi@fb.com<mailto:ebeleokobi@fb.com>
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On Mar 15, 2016, at
9:27 AM, Nanjira Sambuli via kictanet
<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>>
wrote:
To me, such a move would be in direct contravention of article 31 (d) of the
Constitution.
Given that blogging in Kenya is taken to mean anyone with a social media
account expressing their opinions, I think it's a slippery slope. Facebook tried to enforce a real name policy, I believe so did Google, and that
didn't bode well.
While I see why the government would want
to take that approach (and could
be argued with s 33(2)..), it is worrisome. And "clamping down" is a militant choice of words...
Regards, Nanjira.
Sent from my iPhone.
On 15 Mar 2016, at 02:33, kictanet-request@lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet-request@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
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Hehe Wangari, I apologize for using complicated terms (POTUS effect) , indeed as you say, the Internet is a jungle. The best way to regulate a jungle is through policy and technology as seen in modern day conservancies. I will attempt to use animal farm analogy ;-) The other way is to have a fence around the jungle (use of technology). You can electrify it to make trespassers feel good when they touch it, that way they pay attention to the fence. Normally when an elephant touches electric fence it is possible to pinpoint where that happened, hence technology becomes both a detterent based on the feeling the animal gets when it touches the fence and a guide on the bounderies of the jungle as well as a source of information to the wardens on possible scenes of crime. I hope this makes sense On 3/15/16, WANGARI KABIRU via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Greetings Barrack,
Can the internet justify its being "driven by trust"?
Let us take banking which in the last week has tried to convince Kenyans not to run react, that all banks are not falling in Kenya or pulling out of Kenya through the Kenya Bankers Association adverts. This is a coordinated effort by the players to have a system that builds relative trust (note the word relative). Secondly banks operate in a similar way - central clearing house which gives the government a point to reference with on that is happening in the industry even if there may still be slip ups and covert activities such as money laundering
The internet appears to the rule of the jungle. Even more the Government itself seems to have no point to have "real" control or coordination.The creators seem to have this control. Perhaps this should've been done when the internet was invented.
Again this also takes us to the question, who owns the internet? Because they would have all the answers - from control, access, coordination which is a role that Governments play in most if not all sectors.Or is the Government to redefine its role where the internet is concerned?
PS: Na Barrack ukitumia majina makubwa makubwa like Social Engineering - you explain.
Blessed day.
Regards/Wangari
--- Pray God Bless. 2013Wangari circa - "Being of the Light, We are Restored Through Faith in Mind, Body and Spirit; We Manifest The Kingdom of God on Earth".
-------------------------------------------- On Tue, 15/3/16, Barrack Otieno via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Subject: Re: [kictanet] To be or not to be a pseudonymous blogger To: wangarikabiru@yahoo.co.uk Cc: "Barrack Otieno" <otieno.barrack@gmail.com>, "Nanjira Sambuli" <nanjira@ihub.co.ke> Date: Tuesday, 15 March, 2016, 13:49
Many thanks Ebele,
I agree with Nanjira's postulation. Whereas Cabinet Secretary Mucheru's view point may be justified to a certain extent, it wouldn't be prudent since it will curtail the growth and developement of the Internet which has partly been driven by trust. My humble opinion is that if we take care of the Infrastructure issues such as natting, we don't need to worry about Pseudonym's. One way would be to encourage adoption of IP V 6 which avails an Internet Protocol address for every device which would in turn make it easy to trace sources of information. The government could also adopt an approach of educate users through Social Engineering. This is my opinion but i stand to be corrected.
Best Regards
On 3/15/16, Ebele Okobi via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Just a clarification- Facebook absolutely agrees that there should be spaces on the Internet where
people can share anonymously, including some of our own properties, like
Instagram. That said, Facebook itself is a space where community and trust depend upon people being able to connect with people they know, so Facebook
"real"
community standards require people to use names they are known to use in life.
We do not
taken down if and when they are reported to us, and we include mechanisms for reporting fake names or accounts
proactively moderate for this, but fake accounts are definitely directly in the platform so that anyone
on Facebook, whether or not the reporting person has an account, can
report.
Screen shot of report flow pasted below- [image1.PNG]
Ebele Okobi | Head of Public Policy, Africa m. +44 (0) 771 156 1315<tel:+44%20(0)%20771%20156%201315> 10 Brock Street | London<x-apple-data-detectors://0/1> | NW1 3FG ebeleokobi@fb.com<mailto:ebeleokobi@fb.com>
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On Mar 15, 2016, at
9:27 AM, Nanjira Sambuli via kictanet
<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>>
wrote:
To me, such a move would be in direct contravention of article 31 (d) of the
Constitution.
Given that blogging in Kenya is taken to mean anyone with a social media
account expressing their opinions, I think it's a slippery slope. Facebook tried to enforce a real name policy, I believe so did Google, and that
didn't bode well.
While I see why the government would want
to take that approach (and could
be argued with s 33(2)..), it is worrisome. And "clamping down" is a militant choice of words...
Regards, Nanjira.
Sent from my iPhone.
On 15 Mar 2016, at 02:33,
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Barack, from your analogy, are you calling for prosecution of those who don't follow the alleged CS directive? Back to the CS, We may need to get a clarification from him. He may actually have been misquoted. Remember this case where Google was enjoined in a case to provide the identity of a blogger? From the proceedings, Google adamantly refused to do so. http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Waiguru-sues-Google--Kenyan-website-for-d... Anne Waiguru v Google Inc & 2 others [2014] eKLR: http://kenyalaw.org/caselaw/cases/view/104246/ Regards On 15/03/2016, Barrack Otieno via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Hehe Wangari,
I apologize for using complicated terms (POTUS effect) , indeed as you say, the Internet is a jungle. The best way to regulate a jungle is through policy and technology as seen in modern day conservancies.
I will attempt to use animal farm analogy ;-)
The other way is to have a fence around the jungle (use of technology). You can electrify it to make trespassers feel good when they touch it, that way they pay attention to the fence. Normally when an elephant touches electric fence it is possible to pinpoint where that happened, hence technology becomes both a detterent based on the feeling the animal gets when it touches the fence and a guide on the bounderies of the jungle as well as a source of information to the wardens on possible scenes of crime.
I hope this makes sense
On 3/15/16, WANGARI KABIRU via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Greetings Barrack,
Can the internet justify its being "driven by trust"?
Let us take banking which in the last week has tried to convince Kenyans not to run react, that all banks are not falling in Kenya or pulling out of Kenya through the Kenya Bankers Association adverts. This is a coordinated effort by the players to have a system that builds relative trust (note the word relative). Secondly banks operate in a similar way - central clearing house which gives the government a point to reference with on that is happening in the industry even if there may still be slip ups and covert activities such as money laundering
The internet appears to the rule of the jungle. Even more the Government itself seems to have no point to have "real" control or coordination.The creators seem to have this control. Perhaps this should've been done when the internet was invented.
Again this also takes us to the question, who owns the internet? Because they would have all the answers - from control, access, coordination which is a role that Governments play in most if not all sectors.Or is the Government to redefine its role where the internet is concerned?
PS: Na Barrack ukitumia majina makubwa makubwa like Social Engineering - you explain.
Blessed day.
Regards/Wangari
--- Pray God Bless. 2013Wangari circa - "Being of the Light, We are Restored Through Faith in Mind, Body and Spirit; We Manifest The Kingdom of God on Earth".
-------------------------------------------- On Tue, 15/3/16, Barrack Otieno via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Subject: Re: [kictanet] To be or not to be a pseudonymous blogger To: wangarikabiru@yahoo.co.uk Cc: "Barrack Otieno" <otieno.barrack@gmail.com>, "Nanjira Sambuli" <nanjira@ihub.co.ke> Date: Tuesday, 15 March, 2016, 13:49
Many thanks Ebele,
I agree with Nanjira's postulation. Whereas Cabinet Secretary Mucheru's view point may be justified to a certain extent, it wouldn't be prudent since it will curtail the growth and developement of the Internet which has partly been driven by trust. My humble opinion is that if we take care of the Infrastructure issues such as natting, we don't need to worry about Pseudonym's. One way would be to encourage adoption of IP V 6 which avails an Internet Protocol address for every device which would in turn make it easy to trace sources of information. The government could also adopt an approach of educate users through Social Engineering. This is my opinion but i stand to be corrected.
Best Regards
On 3/15/16, Ebele Okobi via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Just a clarification- Facebook absolutely agrees that there should be spaces on the Internet where
people can share anonymously, including some of our own properties, like
Instagram. That said, Facebook itself is a space where community and trust depend upon people being able to connect with people they know, so Facebook
"real"
community standards require people to use names they are known to use in life.
We do not
taken down if and when they are reported to us, and we include mechanisms for reporting fake names or accounts
proactively moderate for this, but fake accounts are definitely directly in the platform so that anyone
on Facebook, whether or not the reporting person has an account, can
report.
Screen shot of report flow pasted below- [image1.PNG]
Ebele Okobi | Head of Public Policy, Africa m. +44 (0) 771 156 1315<tel:+44%20(0)%20771%20156%201315> 10 Brock Street | London<x-apple-data-detectors://0/1> | NW1 3FG ebeleokobi@fb.com<mailto:ebeleokobi@fb.com>
[6F376569-CC77-422B-BAD3-794055B1E02B]
On Mar 15, 2016, at
9:27 AM, Nanjira Sambuli via kictanet
<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>>
wrote:
To me, such a move would be in direct contravention of article 31 (d) of the
Constitution.
Given that blogging in Kenya is taken to mean anyone with a social media
account expressing their opinions, I think it's a slippery slope. Facebook tried to enforce a real name policy, I believe so did Google, and that
didn't bode well.
While I see why the government would want
to take that approach (and could
be argued with s 33(2)..), it is worrisome. And "clamping down" is a militant choice of words...
Regards, Nanjira.
Sent from my iPhone.
On 15 Mar 2016, at 02:33,
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This is still not an accurate representation of what was said...but close [image: Inline image 1] On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 7:25 PM, Mwendwa Kivuva via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Barack, from your analogy, are you calling for prosecution of those who don't follow the alleged CS directive?
Back to the CS, We may need to get a clarification from him. He may actually have been misquoted. Remember this case where Google was enjoined in a case to provide the identity of a blogger? From the proceedings, Google adamantly refused to do so.
http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Waiguru-sues-Google--Kenyan-website-for-d...
Anne Waiguru v Google Inc & 2 others [2014] eKLR: http://kenyalaw.org/caselaw/cases/view/104246/
Regards
On 15/03/2016, Barrack Otieno via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Hehe Wangari,
I apologize for using complicated terms (POTUS effect) , indeed as you say, the Internet is a jungle. The best way to regulate a jungle is through policy and technology as seen in modern day conservancies.
I will attempt to use animal farm analogy ;-)
The other way is to have a fence around the jungle (use of technology). You can electrify it to make trespassers feel good when they touch it, that way they pay attention to the fence. Normally when an elephant touches electric fence it is possible to pinpoint where that happened, hence technology becomes both a detterent based on the feeling the animal gets when it touches the fence and a guide on the bounderies of the jungle as well as a source of information to the wardens on possible scenes of crime.
I hope this makes sense
On 3/15/16, WANGARI KABIRU via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Greetings Barrack,
Can the internet justify its being "driven by trust"?
Let us take banking which in the last week has tried to convince Kenyans not to run react, that all banks are not falling in Kenya or pulling out of Kenya through the Kenya Bankers Association adverts. This is a coordinated effort by the players to have a system that builds relative trust (note the word relative). Secondly banks operate in a similar way - central clearing house which gives the government a point to reference with on that is happening in the industry even if there may still be slip ups and covert activities such as money laundering
The internet appears to the rule of the jungle. Even more the Government itself seems to have no point to have "real" control or coordination.The creators seem to have this control. Perhaps this should've been done when the internet was invented.
Again this also takes us to the question, who owns the internet? Because they would have all the answers - from control, access, coordination which is a role that Governments play in most if not all sectors.Or is the Government to redefine its role where the internet is concerned?
PS: Na Barrack ukitumia majina makubwa makubwa like Social Engineering - you explain.
Blessed day.
Regards/Wangari
--- Pray God Bless. 2013Wangari circa - "Being of the Light, We are Restored Through Faith in Mind, Body and Spirit; We Manifest The Kingdom of God on Earth".
-------------------------------------------- On Tue, 15/3/16, Barrack Otieno via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Subject: Re: [kictanet] To be or not to be a pseudonymous blogger To: wangarikabiru@yahoo.co.uk Cc: "Barrack Otieno" <otieno.barrack@gmail.com>, "Nanjira Sambuli" <nanjira@ihub.co.ke> Date: Tuesday, 15 March, 2016, 13:49
Many thanks Ebele,
I agree with Nanjira's postulation. Whereas Cabinet Secretary Mucheru's view point may be justified to a certain extent, it wouldn't be prudent since it will curtail the growth and developement of the Internet which has partly been driven by trust. My humble opinion is that if we take care of the Infrastructure issues such as natting, we don't need to worry about Pseudonym's. One way would be to encourage adoption of IP V 6 which avails an Internet Protocol address for every device which would in turn make it easy to trace sources of information. The government could also adopt an approach of educate users through Social Engineering. This is my opinion but i stand to be corrected.
Best Regards
On 3/15/16, Ebele Okobi via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Just a clarification- Facebook absolutely agrees that there should be spaces on the Internet where
people can share anonymously, including some of our own properties, like
Instagram. That said, Facebook itself is a space where community and trust depend upon people being able to connect with people they know, so Facebook
"real"
community standards require people to use names they are known to use in life.
We do not
taken down if and when they are reported to us, and we include mechanisms for reporting fake names or accounts
proactively moderate for this, but fake accounts are definitely directly in the platform so that anyone
on Facebook, whether or not the reporting person has an account, can
report.
Screen shot of report flow pasted below- [image1.PNG]
Ebele Okobi | Head of Public Policy, Africa m. +44 (0) 771 156 1315<tel:+44%20(0)%20771%20156%201315> 10 Brock Street | London<x-apple-data-detectors://0/1> | NW1 3FG ebeleokobi@fb.com<mailto:ebeleokobi@fb.com>
[6F376569-CC77-422B-BAD3-794055B1E02B]
On Mar 15, 2016, at
9:27 AM, Nanjira Sambuli via kictanet
<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>>
wrote:
To me, such a move would be in direct contravention of article 31 (d) of the
Constitution.
Given that blogging in Kenya is taken to mean anyone with a social media
account expressing their opinions, I think it's a slippery slope. Facebook tried to enforce a real name policy, I believe so did Google, and that
didn't bode well.
While I see why the government would want
to take that approach (and could
be argued with s 33(2)..), it is worrisome. And "clamping down" is a militant choice of words...
Regards, Nanjira.
Sent from my iPhone.
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To be or not to be a pseudonymous blogger
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Bwana CS Thanks for the clarification and the story attached. On the issue of Cyber Bullying, which is what you have focused on, its critical that this is curbed. A civil society entails that we respect the freedoms that we have and to ensure that those abusing freedoms to pursue personal vendettas are dealt with according to the penal code - which by the way shouldn't be different off or online. Cyber bullying is a major issue and in some cases has caused people to take their own lives. We must deal with such. However, we must also guide against misusing state powers to pursue whistle blowers, genuine discussions which may get heated in the spur of the moment. I do hope that the so called Task Force will not turn out to be a machinery for settling political scores. I'm always reminded of the French Philosopher, Voltaire who aptly said:- 'I might disagree with your opinion, but I'm willing to give my life for your right to express it' This is a good bench mark to follow. This country has come a long way from the dark days of KANU and we must guide against slipping back to the bad old days. We trust your good judgement and hope that this so called Task Force will set itself high bench marks to ensure freedom of expression and association online are respected. Ali Hussein Principal Hussein & Associates +254 0713 601113 / 0770906375 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim "Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what no one else has thought". ~ Albert Szent-Györgyi Sent from my iPad
On 15 Mar 2016, at 8:16 PM, Joseph Mucheru via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
This is still not an accurate representation of what was said...but close
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On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 7:25 PM, Mwendwa Kivuva via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Barack, from your analogy, are you calling for prosecution of those who don't follow the alleged CS directive?
Back to the CS, We may need to get a clarification from him. He may actually have been misquoted. Remember this case where Google was enjoined in a case to provide the identity of a blogger? From the proceedings, Google adamantly refused to do so. http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Waiguru-sues-Google--Kenyan-website-for-d...
Anne Waiguru v Google Inc & 2 others [2014] eKLR: http://kenyalaw.org/caselaw/cases/view/104246/
Regards
On 15/03/2016, Barrack Otieno via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Hehe Wangari,
I apologize for using complicated terms (POTUS effect) , indeed as you say, the Internet is a jungle. The best way to regulate a jungle is through policy and technology as seen in modern day conservancies.
I will attempt to use animal farm analogy ;-)
The other way is to have a fence around the jungle (use of technology). You can electrify it to make trespassers feel good when they touch it, that way they pay attention to the fence. Normally when an elephant touches electric fence it is possible to pinpoint where that happened, hence technology becomes both a detterent based on the feeling the animal gets when it touches the fence and a guide on the bounderies of the jungle as well as a source of information to the wardens on possible scenes of crime.
I hope this makes sense
On 3/15/16, WANGARI KABIRU via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Greetings Barrack,
Can the internet justify its being "driven by trust"?
Let us take banking which in the last week has tried to convince Kenyans not to run react, that all banks are not falling in Kenya or pulling out of Kenya through the Kenya Bankers Association adverts. This is a coordinated effort by the players to have a system that builds relative trust (note the word relative). Secondly banks operate in a similar way - central clearing house which gives the government a point to reference with on that is happening in the industry even if there may still be slip ups and covert activities such as money laundering
The internet appears to the rule of the jungle. Even more the Government itself seems to have no point to have "real" control or coordination.The creators seem to have this control. Perhaps this should've been done when the internet was invented.
Again this also takes us to the question, who owns the internet? Because they would have all the answers - from control, access, coordination which is a role that Governments play in most if not all sectors.Or is the Government to redefine its role where the internet is concerned?
PS: Na Barrack ukitumia majina makubwa makubwa like Social Engineering - you explain.
Blessed day.
Regards/Wangari
--- Pray God Bless. 2013Wangari circa - "Being of the Light, We are Restored Through Faith in Mind, Body and Spirit; We Manifest The Kingdom of God on Earth".
-------------------------------------------- On Tue, 15/3/16, Barrack Otieno via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Subject: Re: [kictanet] To be or not to be a pseudonymous blogger To: wangarikabiru@yahoo.co.uk Cc: "Barrack Otieno" <otieno.barrack@gmail.com>, "Nanjira Sambuli" <nanjira@ihub.co.ke> Date: Tuesday, 15 March, 2016, 13:49
Many thanks Ebele,
I agree with Nanjira's postulation. Whereas Cabinet Secretary Mucheru's view point may be justified to a certain extent, it wouldn't be prudent since it will curtail the growth and developement of the Internet which has partly been driven by trust. My humble opinion is that if we take care of the Infrastructure issues such as natting, we don't need to worry about Pseudonym's. One way would be to encourage adoption of IP V 6 which avails an Internet Protocol address for every device which would in turn make it easy to trace sources of information. The government could also adopt an approach of educate users through Social Engineering. This is my opinion but i stand to be corrected.
Best Regards
On 3/15/16, Ebele Okobi via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Just a clarification- Facebook absolutely agrees that there should be spaces on the Internet where
people can share anonymously, including some of our own properties, like
Instagram. That said, Facebook itself is a space where community and trust depend upon people being able to connect with people they know, so Facebook
"real"
community standards require people to use names they are known to use in life.
We do not
taken down if and when they are reported to us, and we include mechanisms for reporting fake names or accounts
proactively moderate for this, but fake accounts are definitely directly in the platform so that anyone
on Facebook, whether or not the reporting person has an account, can
report.
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Ebele Okobi | Head of Public Policy, Africa m. +44 (0) 771 156 1315<tel:+44%20(0)%20771%20156%201315> 10 Brock Street | London<x-apple-data-detectors://0/1> | NW1 3FG ebeleokobi@fb.com<mailto:ebeleokobi@fb.com>
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On Mar 15, 2016, at
9:27 AM, Nanjira Sambuli via kictanet
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To me, such a move would be in direct contravention of article 31 (d) of the
Constitution.
Given that blogging in Kenya is taken to mean anyone with a social media
account expressing their opinions, I think it's a slippery slope. Facebook tried to enforce a real name policy, I believe so did Google, and that
didn't bode well.
While I see why the government would want
to take that approach (and could
be argued with s 33(2)..), it is worrisome. And "clamping down" is a militant choice of words...
Regards, Nanjira.
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