Re: [kictanet] [ke-internetusers] Kenya communications (amendment) Bill: Is media overacting?
The truth is that the "supporters" you see on TV, hear on radio, read in papers are not by accident. The Media Owners Association (MoA) crafted a campaign strategy that includes the "media blackout to all MPs who supported the Bill and The Ministry of Information & Communications". According to persons privy to the media campaign strategy, we have a big problem here and it's about time Kenyans were told the objective truth. Unfortunately, the people who own the media houses are determined to use every possible means to ensure the Bill is not signed. You will not hear a supporter of the Bill being given coverage. Why? The strategy is clearly not intended to yield an objective result. The intention is to shape public opinion even through biased reporting. The strategy includes: 1. Ensure President dioesn't sign the Bill, by publicly petitioning him. 2. Take advantage of Jamhuri Day to show images of raids conducted by previous regimes. 3. Run a media campaign that includes 'same headline' in all papers and similar headlines on electronic media. 4. Shape public opinion through campains and show that the Bill is unconstitutional...etc etc 5. Blackout all supporters of the Bill, Ministry & only invite civil society players who support the interests of the media. Keep watching and you'll notice the biased reporting. 6. The coverage of the issue in the weekend papers (circulation) is also part of the strategy. This will not stop until the President yields to the Media's agenda. The media has the right to petition the President but the problem with their campaign is that Media Owners have actually agreed not to cover the issue objectively. They have conspired to shape public opinion by all possible means including excluding all those who have a different opinion. In doing so, they demonstrate the need for legislative regulation. The nation is now at the mercy of the media and the public will only be fed with one side of the story. Over to you. Wainaina On 12/14/08, Kinuthia Muchane <muchanek@gmail.com> wrote:
Habari, Maybe the media is overacting, maybe the the MPs are wrong... But one interesting thing about this issue is the timidity of the MPs, to begin with, in the news all I am hearing are our dear elected representatives vowing their undying support for all sorts of freedom, including that of Press, so my question is, isn't there one, single MP who supported passing of the Bill who can come out in defence of his or her stand? Or is it because they always pander to the Press, they do not want to be seen in 'bad' light .
On the other hand, most of us take what we hear on the radio or watch on TV as gospel truth, and the unfortunate fact of life is that the majority of us have no other source of information, or do not seek other avenues of getting information, a fact very well known by members of the so called "Fourth Estate". So when they drench us with "details" about the dangers of the bill's amendment no matter how skewed their opinion is, we will believe them hook, line and sinker! If you ask me, in a country like ours with a very shaky social, political and economic foundation, these merchants of "information" should be very closely and regularly monitored, a Radio Mille Collines can happen here very easily... In any case, ain't all these media 'houses' just commercial enterprises out to make a tidy profit?
Kinuthia...
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That's not true. You have obviously exaggerated in trying to put across your cheap propaganda. Ndemo was on k24 this morning and he was of course not opposing the bill. Plus, you should ask yourself, who has come out to support the bill and not been given airtime. Yes, the media is campaigning, but it has not yet agreed or employed any of the strategies you have listed. Their time is coming. And we don't need to go to previous regimes to show brutal attacks against the media. The worst have taken place under the current regime! You have more to be grateful than disgusted with the media. Be just a little more reflective and considerate otherwise your diabolical hatred of the media lacks foundation. David Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device -----Original Message----- From: "Wainaina Mungai" <wainaina@madeinkenya.org> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 17:08:09 To: <dmakali@yahoo.com> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] [ke-internetusers] Kenya communications (amendment) Bill: Is media overacting? The truth is that the "supporters" you see on TV, hear on radio, read in papers are not by accident. The Media Owners Association (MoA) crafted a campaign strategy that includes the "media blackout to all MPs who supported the Bill and The Ministry of Information & Communications". According to persons privy to the media campaign strategy, we have a big problem here and it's about time Kenyans were told the objective truth. Unfortunately, the people who own the media houses are determined to use every possible means to ensure the Bill is not signed. You will not hear a supporter of the Bill being given coverage. Why? The strategy is clearly not intended to yield an objective result. The intention is to shape public opinion even through biased reporting. The strategy includes: 1. Ensure President dioesn't sign the Bill, by publicly petitioning him. 2. Take advantage of Jamhuri Day to show images of raids conducted by previous regimes. 3. Run a media campaign that includes 'same headline' in all papers and similar headlines on electronic media. 4. Shape public opinion through campains and show that the Bill is unconstitutional...etc etc 5. Blackout all supporters of the Bill, Ministry & only invite civil society players who support the interests of the media. Keep watching and you'll notice the biased reporting. 6. The coverage of the issue in the weekend papers (circulation) is also part of the strategy. This will not stop until the President yields to the Media's agenda. The media has the right to petition the President but the problem with their campaign is that Media Owners have actually agreed not to cover the issue objectively. They have conspired to shape public opinion by all possible means including excluding all those who have a different opinion. In doing so, they demonstrate the need for legislative regulation. The nation is now at the mercy of the media and the public will only be fed with one side of the story. Over to you. Wainaina On 12/14/08, Kinuthia Muchane <muchanek@gmail.com> wrote:
Habari, Maybe the media is overacting, maybe the the MPs are wrong... But one interesting thing about this issue is the timidity of the MPs, to begin with, in the news all I am hearing are our dear elected representatives vowing their undying support for all sorts of freedom, including that of Press, so my question is, isn't there one, single MP who supported passing of the Bill who can come out in defence of his or her stand? Or is it because they always pander to the Press, they do not want to be seen in 'bad' light .
On the other hand, most of us take what we hear on the radio or watch on TV as gospel truth, and the unfortunate fact of life is that the majority of us have no other source of information, or do not seek other avenues of getting information, a fact very well known by members of the so called "Fourth Estate". So when they drench us with "details" about the dangers of the bill's amendment no matter how skewed their opinion is, we will believe them hook, line and sinker! If you ask me, in a country like ours with a very shaky social, political and economic foundation, these merchants of "information" should be very closely and regularly monitored, a Radio Mille Collines can happen here very easily... In any case, ain't all these media 'houses' just commercial enterprises out to make a tidy profit?
Kinuthia...
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David, What happens if the media campaign succeeds, the bill is not signed and Parliament fails to override thus killing the bill? Section 88 will remain where it is and neither the media nor the public will have gained. The media could gain some traction by objectively covering the bill in its entirety. The media could do well to inform readers of what's new, what's positive and what's negative. A well reasoned approach would reveal for instance concerns revolving around the appointment of officials to the commission or positives such as the bill's approach to e-crimes. The media's approach needs to embrace diplomacy and be willing to engage in compromise. For instance instead of calling for the deletion of section 88, the media could seek common ground and offer among its alternative suggestions to deletion, provisions that prevent abuse of section 88. While the media did not mobilise the masses, the media appears to be engaged in what could end up inciting those who have already "self mobilised" or are united as a result of food insecurity and related economic issues. The media and the public stand to gain nothing by taking advantage to fuel a volatile situation. The media already has painted a bad image of itself, through the actions of a few. It is likely that the chief executives of media establishments could have sought audience with the President and/or the PM to discuss their concerns and made more traction in getting the bill sent back to Parliament than have individuals engage in disruptions and heckling. A rational approach has a better chance of succeeding than an antagonistic one. The media hopefully has that in mind as they plan their next move. On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 8:37 AM, <dmakali@yahoo.com> wrote:
That's not true. You have obviously exaggerated in trying to put across your cheap propaganda. Ndemo was on k24 this morning and he was of course not opposing the bill. Plus, you should ask yourself, who has come out to support the bill and not been given airtime. Yes, the media is campaigning, but it has not yet agreed or employed any of the strategies you have listed. Their time is coming. And we don't need to go to previous regimes to show brutal attacks against the media. The worst have taken place under the current regime! You have more to be grateful than disgusted with the media. Be just a little more reflective and considerate otherwise your diabolical hatred of the media lacks foundation. David Sent from my BlackBerry(R) wireless device
Thanks Theuri, Since Government is open for discussion, diplomacy would yield better results. I have seen their action plan which by the way violates cck licence agreement it is not the best rout to take. Having spent all weekend using public resources (frequencies) to propagate violence, they should at least wait to hear from cck. If you read today's Nation editorial on how to end impunity including media impunity you wonder if they are the same people inciting the public to violence. Ndemo Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: "Mike Theuri" <mike.theuri@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 13:19:01 To: <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] [ke-internetusers] Kenya communications (amendment)Bill: Is media overacting? _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: bitange@jambo.co.ke Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bitange%40jambo.co.ke
Dr. Ndemo, I hope that the media note that they are on the wrong path and move to change their approach. In hindsight they might realize that the issues at hand could have been tackled differently.The media's most recent actions only make it more difficult to resolve the very same issues they are protesting. The Nation's editorial perhaps represents the divergence in views between the media owners, their supporters and responsible journalists who may have seen that things are steering in a dangerous direction. As the matter drags on, various elements will try to take advantage and jump onto the bandwagon to further certain agendas. It is this catalyst that is worrisome, as there is the possibility that just as the media issue has somehow been tied to economic issues, the media issue could easily be misused by those who have little to do with the media. The country has many volatile problems that should not be exploited, some of those jumping onto the media bandwagon may be seeking to detract from matters facing them, others have personal agendas in mind that can only progress if they are disguised as media and economic issues. The media hopefully is looking at these issues in a responsible manner, will exercise diplomacy and engage the Government in a civil way as the best way to resolve the impasse. There are many Kenyans suffering today from matters not within their control, it is a dangerous thing for the media to act in a way that could easily stir these masses to non-civil action as measures are being taken to alleviate these problems. The media has a corporate responsibility in ensuring that it exhausts all civil means of ensuring the matters are resolved. It is encouraging to know that the Government is open for discussion, but there is only so much that the Government can do on legislative matters. The Government can draft, prepare and adjust laws but it cannot pass the same in parliament. The media must do more on its own in approaching not just key leaders but ultimately the legislators who actually vote to pass the same laws. On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 5:11 PM, <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
Thanks Theuri, Since Government is open for discussion, diplomacy would yield better results. I have seen their action plan which by the way violates cck licence agreement it is not the best rout to take. Having spent all weekend using public resources (frequencies) to propagate violence, they should at least wait to hear from cck.
If you read today's Nation editorial on how to end impunity including media impunity you wonder if they are the same people inciting the public to violence.
Ndemo Sent from my BlackBerry(R)
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Mike, Thank you for your objective views. You know very well that there are thousands of youth out there who have patiently waited for this bill to allow them trade on-line. Now Media calls theirs. The outcomes of the Kriegler and Waki would hopefully deal with political impunity. Who will deal with media impunity? In my view we must push this Bill to ensure that electronic media does not continue to corrupt our children's minds. Ndemo.
Dr. Ndemo,
I hope that the media note that they are on the wrong path and move to change their approach. In hindsight they might realize that the issues at hand could have been tackled differently.The media's most recent actions only make it more difficult to resolve the very same issues they are protesting.
The Nation's editorial perhaps represents the divergence in views between the media owners, their supporters and responsible journalists who may have seen that things are steering in a dangerous direction. As the matter drags on, various elements will try to take advantage and jump onto the bandwagon to further certain agendas. It is this catalyst that is worrisome, as there is the possibility that just as the media issue has somehow been tied to economic issues, the media issue could easily be misused by those who have little to do with the media.
The country has many volatile problems that should not be exploited, some of those jumping onto the media bandwagon may be seeking to detract from matters facing them, others have personal agendas in mind that can only progress if they are disguised as media and economic issues. The media hopefully is looking at these issues in a responsible manner, will exercise diplomacy and engage the Government in a civil way as the best way to resolve the impasse. There are many Kenyans suffering today from matters not within their control, it is a dangerous thing for the media to act in a way that could easily stir these masses to non-civil action as measures are being taken to alleviate these problems. The media has a corporate responsibility in ensuring that it exhausts all civil means of ensuring the matters are resolved.
It is encouraging to know that the Government is open for discussion, but there is only so much that the Government can do on legislative matters. The Government can draft, prepare and adjust laws but it cannot pass the same in parliament. The media must do more on its own in approaching not just key leaders but ultimately the legislators who actually vote to pass the same laws.
On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 5:11 PM, <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
Thanks Theuri, Since Government is open for discussion, diplomacy would yield better results. I have seen their action plan which by the way violates cck licence agreement it is not the best rout to take. Having spent all weekend using public resources (frequencies) to propagate violence, they should at least wait to hear from cck.
If you read today's Nation editorial on how to end impunity including media impunity you wonder if they are the same people inciting the public to violence.
Ndemo Sent from my BlackBerry(R)
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Dr. Ndemo, The argument can be raised that if the political estate is in a state of impunity then why subject media "misconduct" to that establishment? I also think we need to build in retrospective mechanisms as a matter of fact within our constitution that checks the political establishment? Again, this is to battress your point that, no one must be above the law, however we all know that someone must lead and rule. Eric here On 15 Dec 2008, at 09:04, bitange@jambo.co.ke wrote:
Mike, Thank you for your objective views. You know very well that there are thousands of youth out there who have patiently waited for this bill to allow them trade on-line. Now Media calls theirs.
The outcomes of the Kriegler and Waki would hopefully deal with political impunity. Who will deal with media impunity? In my view we must push this Bill to ensure that electronic media does not continue to corrupt our children's minds.
Ndemo.
Dr. Ndemo,
I hope that the media note that they are on the wrong path and move to change their approach. In hindsight they might realize that the issues at hand could have been tackled differently.The media's most recent actions only make it more difficult to resolve the very same issues they are protesting.
The Nation's editorial perhaps represents the divergence in views between the media owners, their supporters and responsible journalists who may have seen that things are steering in a dangerous direction. As the matter drags on, various elements will try to take advantage and jump onto the bandwagon to further certain agendas. It is this catalyst that is worrisome, as there is the possibility that just as the media issue has somehow been tied to economic issues, the media issue could easily be misused by those who have little to do with the media.
The country has many volatile problems that should not be exploited, some of those jumping onto the media bandwagon may be seeking to detract from matters facing them, others have personal agendas in mind that can only progress if they are disguised as media and economic issues. The media hopefully is looking at these issues in a responsible manner, will exercise diplomacy and engage the Government in a civil way as the best way to resolve the impasse. There are many Kenyans suffering today from matters not within their control, it is a dangerous thing for the media to act in a way that could easily stir these masses to non-civil action as measures are being taken to alleviate these problems. The media has a corporate responsibility in ensuring that it exhausts all civil means of ensuring the matters are resolved.
It is encouraging to know that the Government is open for discussion, but there is only so much that the Government can do on legislative matters. The Government can draft, prepare and adjust laws but it cannot pass the same in parliament. The media must do more on its own in approaching not just key leaders but ultimately the legislators who actually vote to pass the same laws.
On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 5:11 PM, <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
Thanks Theuri, Since Government is open for discussion, diplomacy would yield better results. I have seen their action plan which by the way violates cck licence agreement it is not the best rout to take. Having spent all weekend using public resources (frequencies) to propagate violence, they should at least wait to hear from cck.
If you read today's Nation editorial on how to end impunity including media impunity you wonder if they are the same people inciting the public to violence.
Ndemo Sent from my BlackBerry(R)
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I have treid to find the amended bill online with no success; was it uploaded as promised? someone please? david _______________ "If my doctor told me I had only six minutes to live, I wouldn't brood. I'd type a little faster." — Isaac Asimo, Columbian Author and Scientist _______________ PO Box 3234 00200 Nairobi, Kenya cell: +254 722 517 540 --- On Mon, 12/15/08, bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
From: bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] [ke-internetusers] Kenya communications(amendment)Bill: Is media overacting? To: dmakali@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Monday, December 15, 2008, 1:04 AM Mike, Thank you for your objective views. You know very well that there are thousands of youth out there who have patiently waited for this bill to allow them trade on-line. Now Media calls theirs.
The outcomes of the Kriegler and Waki would hopefully deal with political impunity. Who will deal with media impunity? In my view we must push this Bill to ensure that electronic media does not continue to corrupt our children's minds.
Ndemo.
Dr. Ndemo,
I hope that the media note that they are on the wrong path and move to change their approach. In hindsight they might realize that the issues at hand could have been tackled differently.The media's most recent actions only make it more difficult to resolve the very same issues they are protesting.
The Nation's editorial perhaps represents the divergence in views between the media owners, their supporters and responsible journalists who may have seen that things are steering in a dangerous direction. As the matter drags on, various elements will try to take advantage and jump onto the bandwagon to further certain agendas. It is this catalyst that is worrisome, as there is the possibility that just as the media issue has somehow been tied to economic issues, the media issue could easily be misused by those who have little to do with the media.
The country has many volatile problems that should not be exploited, some of those jumping onto the media bandwagon may be seeking to detract from matters facing them, others have personal agendas in mind that can only progress if they are disguised as media and economic issues. The media hopefully is looking at these issues in a responsible manner, will exercise diplomacy and engage the Government in a civil way as the best way to resolve the impasse. There are many Kenyans suffering today from matters not within their control, it is a dangerous thing for the media to act in a way that could easily stir these masses to non-civil action as measures are being taken to alleviate these problems. The media has a corporate responsibility in ensuring that it exhausts all civil means of ensuring the matters are resolved.
It is encouraging to know that the Government is open for discussion, but there is only so much that the Government can do on legislative matters. The Government can draft, prepare and adjust laws but it cannot pass the same in parliament. The media must do more on its own in approaching not just key leaders but ultimately the legislators who actually vote to pass the same laws.
On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 5:11 PM, <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
Thanks Theuri, Since Government is open for discussion, diplomacy would yield better results. I have seen their action plan which by the way violates cck licence agreement it is not the best rout to take. Having spent all weekend using public resources (frequencies) to propagate violence, they should at least wait to hear from cck.
If you read today's Nation editorial on how to end impunity including media impunity you wonder if they are the same people inciting the public to violence.
Ndemo Sent from my BlackBerry(R)
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David, There was a hitch. It will be in all papers tomorrow and will ensure you get the soft copy. Ndemo.
I have treid to find the amended bill online with no success; was it uploaded as promised? someone please? david
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From: bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] [ke-internetusers] Kenya communications(amendment)Bill: Is media overacting? To: dmakali@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Monday, December 15, 2008, 1:04 AM Mike, Thank you for your objective views. You know very well that there are thousands of youth out there who have patiently waited for this bill to allow them trade on-line. Now Media calls theirs.
The outcomes of the Kriegler and Waki would hopefully deal with political impunity. Who will deal with media impunity? In my view we must push this Bill to ensure that electronic media does not continue to corrupt our children's minds.
Ndemo.
Dr. Ndemo,
I hope that the media note that they are on the wrong path and move to change their approach. In hindsight they might realize that the issues at hand could have been tackled differently.The media's most recent actions only make it more difficult to resolve the very same issues they are protesting.
The Nation's editorial perhaps represents the divergence in views between the media owners, their supporters and responsible journalists who may have seen that things are steering in a dangerous direction. As the matter drags on, various elements will try to take advantage and jump onto the bandwagon to further certain agendas. It is this catalyst that is worrisome, as there is the possibility that just as the media issue has somehow been tied to economic issues, the media issue could easily be misused by those who have little to do with the media.
The country has many volatile problems that should not be exploited, some of those jumping onto the media bandwagon may be seeking to detract from matters facing them, others have personal agendas in mind that can only progress if they are disguised as media and economic issues. The media hopefully is looking at these issues in a responsible manner, will exercise diplomacy and engage the Government in a civil way as the best way to resolve the impasse. There are many Kenyans suffering today from matters not within their control, it is a dangerous thing for the media to act in a way that could easily stir these masses to non-civil action as measures are being taken to alleviate these problems. The media has a corporate responsibility in ensuring that it exhausts all civil means of ensuring the matters are resolved.
It is encouraging to know that the Government is open for discussion, but there is only so much that the Government can do on legislative matters. The Government can draft, prepare and adjust laws but it cannot pass the same in parliament. The media must do more on its own in approaching not just key leaders but ultimately the legislators who actually vote to pass the same laws.
On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 5:11 PM, <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
Thanks Theuri, Since Government is open for discussion, diplomacy would yield better results. I have seen their action plan which by the way violates cck licence agreement it is not the best rout to take. Having spent all weekend using public resources (frequencies) to propagate violence, they should at least wait to hear from cck.
If you read today's Nation editorial on how to end impunity including media impunity you wonder if they are the same people inciting the public to violence.
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Ok. Thanks. Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device -----Original Message----- From: bitange@jambo.co.ke Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 19:12:04 To: <dmakali@yahoo.com> Cc: <bitange@jambo.co.ke>; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] [ke-internetusers] Kenya communications(amendment)Bill: Is media overacting? David, There was a hitch. It will be in all papers tomorrow and will ensure you get the soft copy. Ndemo.
I have treid to find the amended bill online with no success; was it uploaded as promised? someone please? david
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From: bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] [ke-internetusers] Kenya communications(amendment)Bill: Is media overacting? To: dmakali@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Monday, December 15, 2008, 1:04 AM Mike, Thank you for your objective views. You know very well that there are thousands of youth out there who have patiently waited for this bill to allow them trade on-line. Now Media calls theirs.
The outcomes of the Kriegler and Waki would hopefully deal with political impunity. Who will deal with media impunity? In my view we must push this Bill to ensure that electronic media does not continue to corrupt our children's minds.
Ndemo.
Dr. Ndemo,
I hope that the media note that they are on the wrong path and move to change their approach. In hindsight they might realize that the issues at hand could have been tackled differently.The media's most recent actions only make it more difficult to resolve the very same issues they are protesting.
The Nation's editorial perhaps represents the divergence in views between the media owners, their supporters and responsible journalists who may have seen that things are steering in a dangerous direction. As the matter drags on, various elements will try to take advantage and jump onto the bandwagon to further certain agendas. It is this catalyst that is worrisome, as there is the possibility that just as the media issue has somehow been tied to economic issues, the media issue could easily be misused by those who have little to do with the media.
The country has many volatile problems that should not be exploited, some of those jumping onto the media bandwagon may be seeking to detract from matters facing them, others have personal agendas in mind that can only progress if they are disguised as media and economic issues. The media hopefully is looking at these issues in a responsible manner, will exercise diplomacy and engage the Government in a civil way as the best way to resolve the impasse. There are many Kenyans suffering today from matters not within their control, it is a dangerous thing for the media to act in a way that could easily stir these masses to non-civil action as measures are being taken to alleviate these problems. The media has a corporate responsibility in ensuring that it exhausts all civil means of ensuring the matters are resolved.
It is encouraging to know that the Government is open for discussion, but there is only so much that the Government can do on legislative matters. The Government can draft, prepare and adjust laws but it cannot pass the same in parliament. The media must do more on its own in approaching not just key leaders but ultimately the legislators who actually vote to pass the same laws.
On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 5:11 PM, <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
Thanks Theuri, Since Government is open for discussion, diplomacy would yield better results. I have seen their action plan which by the way violates cck licence agreement it is not the best rout to take. Having spent all weekend using public resources (frequencies) to propagate violence, they should at least wait to hear from cck.
If you read today's Nation editorial on how to end impunity including media impunity you wonder if they are the same people inciting the public to violence.
Ndemo Sent from my BlackBerry(R)
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Dr. Ndemo, It is puzzling that throughout your meetings with us we never got to hear of some of the issues you are now raising on Kictanet like 'Media impunity' and 'corrupting children minds.' The latter was of course the very same line used by Mao and later Deng Xiaoping to cut off information flow to the Chinese masses, and that is having concluded the entire population is made up of children! There's a great deal of dishonesty around this whole issue. The contentious clauses in my view are an extension of your ban of live broadcast on the evening of December 30; a ban that neither worked nor helped in way in pushing through suspect election results. Bwana PS the larger picture is the country is walking down a retrogressive path and the clauses in the Communication Bill are only part of a number of things that are going wrong especially with politics and governance. Bwana PS sections of this Bill are not anything you would be proud of 5 years from now. For the rest of the media-bashing crowd on Kictanet, yours is the hypocrisy killing our country. When Moi was president the media and outspoken diplomats were your heroes. Now they are villains. How convenient! About the bill, I am so keen to hear your take on the March 2, 2006 raid on the Standard and KTN for such are the actions the new bill would make perfectly legal! Linus -----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+lkaikai=ktnkenya.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+lkaikai=ktnkenya.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of bitange@jambo.co.ke Sent: 14 December 2008 22:04 To: lkaikai@ktnkenya.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] [ke-internetusers] Kenya communications(amendment)Bill: Is media overacting? Mike, Thank you for your objective views. You know very well that there are thousands of youth out there who have patiently waited for this bill to allow them trade on-line. Now Media calls theirs. The outcomes of the Kriegler and Waki would hopefully deal with political impunity. Who will deal with media impunity? In my view we must push this Bill to ensure that electronic media does not continue to corrupt our children's minds. Ndemo.
Dr. Ndemo,
I hope that the media note that they are on the wrong path and move to change their approach. In hindsight they might realize that the issues at hand could have been tackled differently.The media's most recent actions only make it more difficult to resolve the very same issues they are protesting.
The Nation's editorial perhaps represents the divergence in views between the media owners, their supporters and responsible journalists who may have seen that things are steering in a dangerous direction. As the matter drags on, various elements will try to take advantage and jump onto the bandwagon to further certain agendas. It is this catalyst that is worrisome, as there is the possibility that just as the media issue has somehow been tied to economic issues, the media issue could easily be misused by those who have little to do with the media.
The country has many volatile problems that should not be exploited, some of those jumping onto the media bandwagon may be seeking to detract from matters facing them, others have personal agendas in mind that can only progress if they are disguised as media and economic issues. The media hopefully is looking at these issues in a responsible manner, will exercise diplomacy and engage the Government in a civil way as the best way to resolve the impasse. There are many Kenyans suffering today from matters not within their control, it is a dangerous thing for the media to act in a way that could easily stir these masses to non-civil action as measures are being taken to alleviate these problems. The media has a corporate responsibility in ensuring that it exhausts all civil means of ensuring the matters are resolved.
It is encouraging to know that the Government is open for discussion, but there is only so much that the Government can do on legislative matters. The Government can draft, prepare and adjust laws but it cannot pass the same in parliament. The media must do more on its own in approaching not just key leaders but ultimately the legislators who actually vote to pass the same laws.
On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 5:11 PM, <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
Thanks Theuri, Since Government is open for discussion, diplomacy would yield better results. I have seen their action plan which by the way violates cck licence agreement it is not the best rout to take. Having spent all weekend using public resources (frequencies) to propagate violence, they should at least wait to hear from cck.
If you read today's Nation editorial on how to end impunity including media impunity you wonder if they are the same people inciting the public to violence.
Ndemo Sent from my BlackBerry(R)
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This bill is bad for the development of this country. One wonders why only 25 MPs were in the house to pass the bill, yet we have over 200 MPs. It is very convenient for those in power now to think that the same bill they are passing are going to affect them at some point when they will be in the opposite side. We must as a country tread very carefully when making laws that is supposed to govern us , not for convenient ,but for posterity. George Onyango ________________________________ From: Linus Kaikai <lkaikai@ktnkenya.com> To: geogias@yahoo.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 5:19:35 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] [ke-internetusers] Kenya communications(amendment)Bill: Is media overacting? Dr. Ndemo, It is puzzling that throughout your meetings with us we never got to hear of some of the issues you are now raising on Kictanet like 'Media impunity' and 'corrupting children minds.' The latter was of course the very same line used by Mao and later Deng Xiaoping to cut off information flow to the Chinese masses, and that is having concluded the entire population is made up of children! There's a great deal of dishonesty around this whole issue. The contentious clauses in my view are an extension of your ban of live broadcast on the evening of December 30; a ban that neither worked nor helped in way in pushing through suspect election results. Bwana PS the larger picture is the country is walking down a retrogressive path and the clauses in the Communication Bill are only part of a number of things that are going wrong especially with politics and governance. Bwana PS sections of this Bill are not anything you would be proud of 5 years from now. For the rest of the media-bashing crowd on Kictanet, yours is the hypocrisy killing our country. When Moi was president the media and outspoken diplomats were your heroes. Now they are villains. How convenient! About the bill, I am so keen to hear your take on the March 2, 2006 raid on the Standard and KTN for such are the actions the new bill would make perfectly legal! Linus -----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+lkaikai=ktnkenya.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+lkaikai=ktnkenya.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of bitange@jambo.co.ke Sent: 14 December 2008 22:04 To: lkaikai@ktnkenya.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] [ke-internetusers] Kenya communications(amendment)Bill: Is media overacting? Mike, Thank you for your objective views. You know very well that there are thousands of youth out there who have patiently waited for this bill to allow them trade on-line. Now Media calls theirs. The outcomes of the Kriegler and Waki would hopefully deal with political impunity. Who will deal with media impunity? In my view we must push this Bill to ensure that electronic media does not continue to corrupt our children's minds. Ndemo.
Dr. Ndemo,
I hope that the media note that they are on the wrong path and move to change their approach. In hindsight they might realize that the issues at hand could have been tackled differently.The media's most recent actions only make it more difficult to resolve the very same issues they are protesting.
The Nation's editorial perhaps represents the divergence in views between the media owners, their supporters and responsible journalists who may have seen that things are steering in a dangerous direction. As the matter drags on, various elements will try to take advantage and jump onto the bandwagon to further certain agendas. It is this catalyst that is worrisome, as there is the possibility that just as the media issue has somehow been tied to economic issues, the media issue could easily be misused by those who have little to do with the media.
The country has many volatile problems that should not be exploited, some of those jumping onto the media bandwagon may be seeking to detract from matters facing them, others have personal agendas in mind that can only progress if they are disguised as media and economic issues. The media hopefully is looking at these issues in a responsible manner, will exercise diplomacy and engage the Government in a civil way as the best way to resolve the impasse. There are many Kenyans suffering today from matters not within their control, it is a dangerous thing for the media to act in a way that could easily stir these masses to non-civil action as measures are being taken to alleviate these problems. The media has a corporate responsibility in ensuring that it exhausts all civil means of ensuring the matters are resolved.
It is encouraging to know that the Government is open for discussion, but there is only so much that the Government can do on legislative matters. The Government can draft, prepare and adjust laws but it cannot pass the same in parliament. The media must do more on its own in approaching not just key leaders but ultimately the legislators who actually vote to pass the same laws.
On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 5:11 PM, <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
Thanks Theuri, Since Government is open for discussion, diplomacy would yield better results. I have seen their action plan which by the way violates cck licence agreement it is not the best rout to take. Having spent all weekend using public resources (frequencies) to propagate violence, they should at least wait to hear from cck.
If you read today's Nation editorial on how to end impunity including media impunity you wonder if they are the same people inciting the public to violence.
Ndemo Sent from my BlackBerry(R)
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Dear Linus, If you do a bit of research on the interaction of government and media, you will find that there are more violent incidences in countries that have no clear laws. As part of reducing these incidences in Kenya, we came up with a policy and a legal framework on electronic media whose objective was to introduce regulation. Regulation per se is not a bad thing. I think by now you must have learnt from the American's financial crisis. Today's papers have the proposed legal framework and without mixing issues the proposals did not include the controversial sec. 88. In this country, we have all sinned when it comes to the subject of impunity. When you plan and execute a strategy to black out government officials from explaining to Kenyans the reasoning behind the bill you are indeed curtailing freedom of expression through public resources that you hold. This is illegal if you read the Media Act. This is an offence if you read the licence agreement that all electronic media signed. Does it mean that freedom of expression is only for media? After the dust settles down, you will be proud of this legal framework because throughout the world, it is only Kenya and Somalia that does not regulate electronic content. Please read it then call me to have a cup of coffee. I will be highly honoured if you accept my invitation. Regards Ndemo.
Dr. Ndemo,
It is puzzling that throughout your meetings with us we never got to hear of some of the issues you are now raising on Kictanet like 'Media impunity' and 'corrupting children minds.' The latter was of course the very same line used by Mao and later Deng Xiaoping to cut off information flow to the Chinese masses, and that is having concluded the entire population is made up of children! There's a great deal of dishonesty around this whole issue. The contentious clauses in my view are an extension of your ban of live broadcast on the evening of December 30; a ban that neither worked nor helped in way in pushing through suspect election results. Bwana PS the larger picture is the country is walking down a retrogressive path and the clauses in the Communication Bill are only part of a number of things that are going wrong especially with politics and governance. Bwana PS sections of this Bill are not anything you would be proud of 5 years from now.
For the rest of the media-bashing crowd on Kictanet, yours is the hypocrisy killing our country. When Moi was president the media and outspoken diplomats were your heroes. Now they are villains. How convenient!
About the bill, I am so keen to hear your take on the March 2, 2006 raid on the Standard and KTN for such are the actions the new bill would make perfectly legal!
Linus
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Mike, Thank you for your objective views. You know very well that there are thousands of youth out there who have patiently waited for this bill to allow them trade on-line. Now Media calls theirs.
The outcomes of the Kriegler and Waki would hopefully deal with political impunity. Who will deal with media impunity? In my view we must push this Bill to ensure that electronic media does not continue to corrupt our children's minds.
Ndemo.
Dr. Ndemo,
I hope that the media note that they are on the wrong path and move to change their approach. In hindsight they might realize that the issues at hand could have been tackled differently.The media's most recent actions only make it more difficult to resolve the very same issues they are protesting.
The Nation's editorial perhaps represents the divergence in views between the media owners, their supporters and responsible journalists who may have seen that things are steering in a dangerous direction. As the matter drags on, various elements will try to take advantage and jump onto the bandwagon to further certain agendas. It is this catalyst that is worrisome, as there is the possibility that just as the media issue has somehow been tied to economic issues, the media issue could easily be misused by those who have little to do with the media.
The country has many volatile problems that should not be exploited, some of those jumping onto the media bandwagon may be seeking to detract from matters facing them, others have personal agendas in mind that can only progress if they are disguised as media and economic issues. The media hopefully is looking at these issues in a responsible manner, will exercise diplomacy and engage the Government in a civil way as the best way to resolve the impasse. There are many Kenyans suffering today from matters not within their control, it is a dangerous thing for the media to act in a way that could easily stir these masses to non-civil action as measures are being taken to alleviate these problems. The media has a corporate responsibility in ensuring that it exhausts all civil means of ensuring the matters are resolved.
It is encouraging to know that the Government is open for discussion, but there is only so much that the Government can do on legislative matters. The Government can draft, prepare and adjust laws but it cannot pass the same in parliament. The media must do more on its own in approaching not just key leaders but ultimately the legislators who actually vote to pass the same laws.
On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 5:11 PM, <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
Thanks Theuri, Since Government is open for discussion, diplomacy would yield better results. I have seen their action plan which by the way violates cck licence agreement it is not the best rout to take. Having spent all weekend using public resources (frequencies) to propagate violence, they should at least wait to hear from cck.
If you read today's Nation editorial on how to end impunity including media impunity you wonder if they are the same people inciting the public to violence.
Ndemo Sent from my BlackBerry(R)
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Dr. Ndemo, Hopefully the media realises the greater negative impact to Kenyans were the bill not to be implemented. That is not to dismiss the media's concerns but also to ask that they continue to engage in constructive means of reaching a middle ground, meaning that both the media and the Government/Parliament/Public will need to yield some ground in order to strike a compromise. The end of impunity will place the country on a better path going forward. The resolve to do so will face challenges but hopefully that resolve shall prevail. On the other hand it is not clear what consequences the Media Council imposes on errant members of the profession that does not amount to wrist slapping. For example it is well known that the legal professional has the consequence of being struck from the roll of advocates which has financial consequences for those it is imposed upon. If the media council were to impose deterrent penalties for infractions of inappropriate content and reckless misconduct, the media would exercise the same caution in does in not libelling individuals capable of taking them to court. The media has a social and collective responsibility to ensure that it does not present content that contributes to a decay in society. The ball is in the media's court to prove how they deal with errant members and if they fail to do so, it leaves society with little but no option to come up with a means to do so. As inferred to in a separate post, some of the inappropriate content the media has created would draw crippling fines in some of the world's most open societies. On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 12:04 AM, <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
Mike, Thank you for your objective views. You know very well that there are thousands of youth out there who have patiently waited for this bill to allow them trade on-line. Now Media calls theirs.
The outcomes of the Kriegler and Waki would hopefully deal with political impunity. Who will deal with media impunity? In my view we must push this Bill to ensure that electronic media does not continue to corrupt our children's minds.
Ndemo.
Dr. Ndemo,
I hope that the media note that they are on the wrong path and move to change their approach. In hindsight they might realize that the issues at hand could have been tackled differently.The media's most recent actions only make it more difficult to resolve the very same issues they are protesting.
The Nation's editorial perhaps represents the divergence in views between the media owners, their supporters and responsible journalists who may have seen that things are steering in a dangerous direction. As the matter drags on, various elements will try to take advantage and jump onto the bandwagon to further certain agendas. It is this catalyst that is worrisome, as there is the possibility that just as the media issue has somehow been tied to economic issues, the media issue could easily be misused by those who have little to do with the media.
The country has many volatile problems that should not be exploited, some of those jumping onto the media bandwagon may be seeking to detract from matters facing them, others have personal agendas in mind that can only progress if they are disguised as media and economic issues. The media hopefully is looking at these issues in a responsible manner, will exercise diplomacy and engage the Government in a civil way as the best way to resolve the impasse. There are many Kenyans suffering today from matters not within their control, it is a dangerous thing for the media to act in a way that could easily stir these masses to non-civil action as measures are being taken to alleviate these problems. The media has a corporate responsibility in ensuring that it exhausts all civil means of ensuring the matters are resolved.
It is encouraging to know that the Government is open for discussion, but there is only so much that the Government can do on legislative matters. The Government can draft, prepare and adjust laws but it cannot pass the same in parliament. The media must do more on its own in approaching not just key leaders but ultimately the legislators who actually vote to pass the same laws.
On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 5:11 PM, <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
Thanks Theuri, Since Government is open for discussion, diplomacy would yield better results. I have seen their action plan which by the way violates cck licence agreement it is not the best rout to take. Having spent all weekend using public resources (frequencies) to propagate violence, they should at least wait to hear from cck.
If you read today's Nation editorial on how to end impunity including media impunity you wonder if they are the same people inciting the public to violence.
Ndemo Sent from my BlackBerry(R)
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