Wow, this is a gem from Time: "At this election, with a new 2010 constitution, and a new electoral body with a new — though not glitch-free — electronic voting system, Kenyans’ determination to hold a peaceful election has been palpable. *The popular mood has also been notably anti-Western. Foreign diplomats have been warned of blood-curdling revenge should they interfere in the poll*. *Foreign journalists have been publicly ridiculed and denounced as prejudiced if they predicted chaos and disaster.* And a central message of most candidates’ campaigns was strident, patriotic self-determination." Read more: http://world.time.com/2013/03/09/kenyas-election-what-uhuru-kenyattas-victor... -- *---------------------------------------------------- Kind Regards, Evans Ikua,*
Evans, anyone, Would anyone happen to have data on foreign media houses total investment on covering our expected brutally violent elections - including their travel and accomodation costs? Given no 2007-08 violence like erupted, their costly investment was largely wasted. Of course, many humanitarian organisations were ready for bloody skirmished and foreign diplomats had advised their staff to stock food in anticipation - it was reported on FM stations prior to the elections. ________________________________ From: Evans Ikua <ikua.evans@gmail.com> To: ict.researcher@yahoo.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Monday, March 11, 2013 1:30 PM Subject: [kictanet] how positive can foreign media be? Wow, this is a gem from Time: "At this election, with a new 2010 constitution, and a new electoral body with a new — though not glitch-free — electronic voting system, Kenyans’ determination to hold a peaceful election has been palpable. The popular mood has also been notably anti-Western. Foreign diplomats have been warned of blood-curdling revenge should they interfere in the poll. Foreign journalists have been publicly ridiculed and denounced as prejudiced if they predicted chaos and disaster. And a central message of most candidates’ campaigns was strident, patriotic self-determination." Read more: http://world.time.com/2013/03/09/kenyas-election-what-uhuru-kenyattas-victor... -- ---------------------------------------------------- Kind Regards, Evans Ikua, _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/ict.researcher%40yahoo... The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
On reflection, I wonder whether this outright condemnation of foreign media and how they expected us to slaughter each other is not ironical. I dnt hold any brief for the Western press but what did we expect them to do? We keep telling our countrymen in Budalangi to plan ahead to avoid the perils of the perennial floods. If they moved uphill with their belongings and it did not rain would you mock and call them stupid? Going by the 2008 precedent, wasnt electoral dispute and possible violence a reasonable expectation on their part? Should we condemn them for preparing for the worst or congratulate ourselves for behaving well and differently this time (even as the saga continues)? The Western media have their weaknesses but gloating abt their "disappointment" methinks is a little bizzarre on our part. We should in the same breath condemn the numerous observer missions prowling every corner of the republic becoz we are suspected thieves of elections. In short, we have no moral basis to castigate the foreign press for showing skewed and prejudicial interest. Its enough to just deny them the reason. - Makali Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: ICT Researcher <ict.researcher@yahoo.com> Sender: "kictanet" <kictanet-bounces+dmakali=yahoo.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 09:57:58 To: <dmakali@yahoo.com> Reply-To: ICT Researcher <ict.researcher@yahoo.com> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] how positive can foreign media be? _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/dmakali%40yahoo.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
Makali, I totally disagree with you. For a long time we have suffered this thing of the foreign media coming to Africa and ONLY reporting on the negative issues. Its either children starving, or tribal wars, as if there are no problems where they come from! While this may be be actually happening, there is an immoral focus on only the negative news. While am not saying that he local media are angels, but at least they got one point right this time round. This is the fact that the media plays a very important role in shaping opinion and even in shepherding a population in a certain direction. This may not be a good thing but its the reality. They realize that they are a part of this country and if it burns, they will burn with it. They are stakeholders. Remember the analogy of the egg and ham sandwich? What of the foreign press? By focussing only on the negative stories all the time, they not only give the wrong impression about us to the world, but they also affect our relations with the outside world. Do they care? No they dont. As long as they sell their stories they are fine. The more sensational it is, the higher the ratings. As a Kenyan, I have a problem with that. Evans On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 11:09 PM, <dmakali@yahoo.com> wrote:
On reflection, I wonder whether this outright condemnation of foreign media and how they expected us to slaughter each other is not ironical.
I dnt hold any brief for the Western press but what did we expect them to do? We keep telling our countrymen in Budalangi to plan ahead to avoid the perils of the perennial floods. If they moved uphill with their belongings and it did not rain would you mock and call them stupid?
Going by the 2008 precedent, wasnt electoral dispute and possible violence a reasonable expectation on their part? Should we condemn them for preparing for the worst or congratulate ourselves for behaving well and differently this time (even as the saga continues)?
The Western media have their weaknesses but gloating abt their "disappointment" methinks is a little bizzarre on our part. We should in the same breath condemn the numerous observer missions prowling every corner of the republic becoz we are suspected thieves of elections.
In short, we have no moral basis to castigate the foreign press for showing skewed and prejudicial interest. Its enough to just deny them the reason.
- Makali
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Evans, +1 On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 1:09 AM, Evans Ikua <ikua.evans@gmail.com> wrote:
Makali, I totally disagree with you. For a long time we have suffered this thing of the foreign media coming to Africa and ONLY reporting on the negative issues. Its either children starving, or tribal wars, as if there are no problems where they come from!
While this may be be actually happening, there is an immoral focus on only the negative news. While am not saying that he local media are angels, but at least they got one point right this time round. This is the fact that the media plays a very important role in shaping opinion and even in shepherding a population in a certain direction. This may not be a good thing but its the reality. They realize that they are a part of this country and if it burns, they will burn with it. They are stakeholders. Remember the analogy of the egg and ham sandwich?
What of the foreign press? By focussing only on the negative stories all the time, they not only give the wrong impression about us to the world, but they also affect our relations with the outside world. Do they care? No they dont. As long as they sell their stories they are fine. The more sensational it is, the higher the ratings. As a Kenyan, I have a problem with that.
Evans
On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 11:09 PM, <dmakali@yahoo.com> wrote:
On reflection, I wonder whether this outright condemnation of foreign media and how they expected us to slaughter each other is not ironical.
I dnt hold any brief for the Western press but what did we expect them to do? We keep telling our countrymen in Budalangi to plan ahead to avoid the perils of the perennial floods. If they moved uphill with their belongings and it did not rain would you mock and call them stupid?
Going by the 2008 precedent, wasnt electoral dispute and possible violence a reasonable expectation on their part? Should we condemn them for preparing for the worst or congratulate ourselves for behaving well and differently this time (even as the saga continues)?
The Western media have their weaknesses but gloating abt their "disappointment" methinks is a little bizzarre on our part. We should in the same breath condemn the numerous observer missions prowling every corner of the republic becoz we are suspected thieves of elections.
In short, we have no moral basis to castigate the foreign press for showing skewed and prejudicial interest. Its enough to just deny them the reason.
- Makali
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Personally, I am feeling very angry at the foreign media. Thanks Evans for this shocking ridiculousness. we need to expose them! I wrote this yesterday. http://digitaldemocracykenya.blogspot.com/2013/03/feeling-frustrated-with-ch... On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 5:30 AM, Evans Ikua <ikua.evans@gmail.com> wrote:
Wow, this is a gem from Time:
"At this election, with a new 2010 constitution, and a new electoral body with a new — though not glitch-free — electronic voting system, Kenyans’ determination to hold a peaceful election has been palpable. *The popular mood has also been notably anti-Western. Foreign diplomats have been warned of blood-curdling revenge should they interfere in the poll*. *Foreign journalists have been publicly ridiculed and denounced as prejudiced if they predicted chaos and disaster.* And a central message of most candidates’ campaigns was strident, patriotic self-determination."
Read more: http://world.time.com/2013/03/09/kenyas-election-what-uhuru-kenyattas-victor...
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Maybe Kenya would have been important enough anyway to cover the elections? And I know of many Kenyans who also stocked up on food as well (when they haven't left the country) - you just needed to spend a bit of time in supermarket queues before the elections to see that it was a very solid mix of everyone who lives here. Any Kenyan would rightly take offense with being wholesale painted as tribal murderers based on 1,500 people having died in 2007/early 08. But what you do is turn around and do exactly the same thing to 'foreign media'. Yes, there were completely idiotic, wrong, stereotypical articles, and they should be ridiculed every single one. But there were also many competent, insightful, sober pieces. And there are many members of the international who don't just swoop in for elections, but actually live here. Maybe we can judge them one by one rather than condemning all of them wholesale? In this forum, it will probably be a tricky argument to make that some of the international media actually still (soberly, factually) reported where the local media just shut up. So I won't make it. And in the meantime, I hope that everyone who's so irritated with the international media will apply the same amount of scrutiny and criticism to the local media and the corruption inside that system. On 11 March 2013 20:18, Warigia Bowman <warigia@gmail.com> wrote:
Personally, I am feeling very angry at the foreign media. Thanks Evans for this shocking ridiculousness. we need to expose them!
I wrote this yesterday.
http://digitaldemocracykenya.blogspot.com/2013/03/feeling-frustrated-with-ch...
On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 5:30 AM, Evans Ikua <ikua.evans@gmail.com> wrote:
Wow, this is a gem from Time:
"At this election, with a new 2010 constitution, and a new electoral body with a new — though not glitch-free — electronic voting system, Kenyans’ determination to hold a peaceful election has been palpable. *The popular mood has also been notably anti-Western. Foreign diplomats have been warned of blood-curdling revenge should they interfere in the poll*. *Foreign journalists have been publicly ridiculed and denounced as prejudiced if they predicted chaos and disaster.* And a central message of most candidates’ campaigns was strident, patriotic self-determination."
Read more: http://world.time.com/2013/03/09/kenyas-election-what-uhuru-kenyattas-victor...
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Dear Andrea Bitte sehr. Please send us the thoughtful coverage that has occurred since March 9 so we can compliment them. I am technically foreign. Of course I will apply the same amount of scrutiny and criticism to the local media. Kind regards, Warigia On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 1:52 PM, Andrea Bohnstedt < andrea.bohnstedt@ratio-magazine.com> wrote:
Maybe Kenya would have been important enough anyway to cover the elections? And I know of many Kenyans who also stocked up on food as well (when they haven't left the country) - you just needed to spend a bit of time in supermarket queues before the elections to see that it was a very solid mix of everyone who lives here.
Any Kenyan would rightly take offense with being wholesale painted as tribal murderers based on 1,500 people having died in 2007/early 08. But what you do is turn around and do exactly the same thing to 'foreign media'.
Yes, there were completely idiotic, wrong, stereotypical articles, and they should be ridiculed every single one. But there were also many competent, insightful, sober pieces. And there are many members of the international who don't just swoop in for elections, but actually live here. Maybe we can judge them one by one rather than condemning all of them wholesale?
In this forum, it will probably be a tricky argument to make that some of the international media actually still (soberly, factually) reported where the local media just shut up. So I won't make it.
And in the meantime, I hope that everyone who's so irritated with the international media will apply the same amount of scrutiny and criticism to the local media and the corruption inside that system.
On 11 March 2013 20:18, Warigia Bowman <warigia@gmail.com> wrote:
Personally, I am feeling very angry at the foreign media. Thanks Evans for this shocking ridiculousness. we need to expose them!
I wrote this yesterday.
http://digitaldemocracykenya.blogspot.com/2013/03/feeling-frustrated-with-ch...
On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 5:30 AM, Evans Ikua <ikua.evans@gmail.com> wrote:
Wow, this is a gem from Time:
"At this election, with a new 2010 constitution, and a new electoral body with a new — though not glitch-free — electronic voting system, Kenyans’ determination to hold a peaceful election has been palpable. *The popular mood has also been notably anti-Western. Foreign diplomats have been warned of blood-curdling revenge should they interfere in the poll*. *Foreign journalists have been publicly ridiculed and denounced as prejudiced if they predicted chaos and disaster.* And a central message of most candidates’ campaigns was strident, patriotic self-determination."
Read more: http://world.time.com/2013/03/09/kenyas-election-what-uhuru-kenyattas-victor...
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Sorry for the silence - I went to dig up the report on corruption in the Kenyan media and ended up writing a blog post about it. Here's the report -- well worth reading alongside any complaints about foreign media. http://www.africog.org/reports/Microsoft%20Word%20-%20AfriCOG%20Investigativ... The vast majority of Kenyans get their news from local media, not from CNN. CNN did not organise the violence in the Rift Valley. But I do believe a Mr Sang had been taken to court for that (although I understand it's not a proper court, and I also think he's the only one who was taken to court so far at all). Also, just focusing on the election days is short-sighted - the period running up to it matters just as much. Bear that in mind when you read the report I linked to. Blog piece here: http://andreabohnstedt.blogspot.com/2013/03/post-election-thoughts-pet-silen... I generally like Katrina Manson's pieces in the FT a lot, and she's been particularly good at following up on the ICT failures. BBC , Reuters, Bloomberg usually seem useful (and have local staff, I think). Not a blanket endorsement, but generally sound. I'm sure you can pull out pieces that aren't ideal. Michela Wrong is one of those who flew in, but she's covered Kenya for a long time, and I like her writing - she was on the International Herald Tribune Latitude site with election blog posts. The guy who wrote a piece for the New Yorker on the debate, and for Foreign Policy on Odinga, got off to a good start and isn't a a bad writer, but he doesn't have the depth of knowledge for such pieces, so he messed up on details. Kenyan politics are geek territory. My computer currently won't open the SA Times, so I can't fish out their recent Kenya piece, but can send it round when I find the link. In the past few days, I've also seen a number of good pieces on the 'tyranny of peace' from Kneyans - not everyone thinks that it was the right approach. Acknowledging diversity in thought - e.g. Muthoni Wanyeki on the unnecessary trade off between peace and justice: http://www.theeastafrican.co.ke/OpEd/comment/Peace-vs-truth-A-story-of-unnec... And a blogger on the 'lobotomy of peace': http://gathara.blogspot.com/2013/03/the-monsters-under-house.html?m=1 As for panic shopping: it was a local friend who kicked me into gear. Can't harm, he argued. As I said: the queues were long and very mixed. On 11 March 2013 21:55, Warigia Bowman <warigia@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Andrea
Bitte sehr.
Please send us the thoughtful coverage that has occurred since March 9 so we can compliment them.
I am technically foreign. Of course I will apply the same amount of scrutiny and criticism to the local media.
Kind regards, Warigia
On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 1:52 PM, Andrea Bohnstedt < andrea.bohnstedt@ratio-magazine.com> wrote:
Maybe Kenya would have been important enough anyway to cover the elections? And I know of many Kenyans who also stocked up on food as well (when they haven't left the country) - you just needed to spend a bit of time in supermarket queues before the elections to see that it was a very solid mix of everyone who lives here.
Any Kenyan would rightly take offense with being wholesale painted as tribal murderers based on 1,500 people having died in 2007/early 08. But what you do is turn around and do exactly the same thing to 'foreign media'.
Yes, there were completely idiotic, wrong, stereotypical articles, and they should be ridiculed every single one. But there were also many competent, insightful, sober pieces. And there are many members of the international who don't just swoop in for elections, but actually live here. Maybe we can judge them one by one rather than condemning all of them wholesale?
In this forum, it will probably be a tricky argument to make that some of the international media actually still (soberly, factually) reported where the local media just shut up. So I won't make it.
And in the meantime, I hope that everyone who's so irritated with the international media will apply the same amount of scrutiny and criticism to the local media and the corruption inside that system.
On 11 March 2013 20:18, Warigia Bowman <warigia@gmail.com> wrote:
Personally, I am feeling very angry at the foreign media. Thanks Evans for this shocking ridiculousness. we need to expose them!
I wrote this yesterday.
http://digitaldemocracykenya.blogspot.com/2013/03/feeling-frustrated-with-ch...
On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 5:30 AM, Evans Ikua <ikua.evans@gmail.com>wrote:
Wow, this is a gem from Time:
"At this election, with a new 2010 constitution, and a new electoral body with a new — though not glitch-free — electronic voting system, Kenyans’ determination to hold a peaceful election has been palpable. *The popular mood has also been notably anti-Western. Foreign diplomats have been warned of blood-curdling revenge should they interfere in the poll *. *Foreign journalists have been publicly ridiculed and denounced as prejudiced if they predicted chaos and disaster.* And a central message of most candidates’ campaigns was strident, patriotic self-determination."
Read more: http://world.time.com/2013/03/09/kenyas-election-what-uhuru-kenyattas-victor...
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Hi Andrea, Thank you for voluntarily doing this "media review" it is very refreshing to see this kind of self examination by the fourth estate. Your efforts are definitely being noted. Best regards, Brian On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 12:15 AM, Andrea Bohnstedt < andrea.bohnstedt@ratio-magazine.com> wrote:
Sorry for the silence - I went to dig up the report on corruption in the Kenyan media and ended up writing a blog post about it.
Here's the report -- well worth reading alongside any complaints about foreign media.
http://www.africog.org/reports/Microsoft%20Word%20-%20AfriCOG%20Investigativ...
The vast majority of Kenyans get their news from local media, not from CNN. CNN did not organise the violence in the Rift Valley. But I do believe a Mr Sang had been taken to court for that (although I understand it's not a proper court, and I also think he's the only one who was taken to court so far at all). Also, just focusing on the election days is short-sighted - the period running up to it matters just as much. Bear that in mind when you read the report I linked to.
Blog piece here:
http://andreabohnstedt.blogspot.com/2013/03/post-election-thoughts-pet-silen...
I generally like Katrina Manson's pieces in the FT a lot, and she's been particularly good at following up on the ICT failures. BBC , Reuters, Bloomberg usually seem useful (and have local staff, I think). Not a blanket endorsement, but generally sound. I'm sure you can pull out pieces that aren't ideal.
Michela Wrong is one of those who flew in, but she's covered Kenya for a long time, and I like her writing - she was on the International Herald Tribune Latitude site with election blog posts.
The guy who wrote a piece for the New Yorker on the debate, and for Foreign Policy on Odinga, got off to a good start and isn't a a bad writer, but he doesn't have the depth of knowledge for such pieces, so he messed up on details. Kenyan politics are geek territory.
My computer currently won't open the SA Times, so I can't fish out their recent Kenya piece, but can send it round when I find the link.
In the past few days, I've also seen a number of good pieces on the 'tyranny of peace' from Kneyans - not everyone thinks that it was the right approach. Acknowledging diversity in thought - e.g. Muthoni Wanyeki on the unnecessary trade off between peace and justice:
http://www.theeastafrican.co.ke/OpEd/comment/Peace-vs-truth-A-story-of-unnec...
And a blogger on the 'lobotomy of peace': http://gathara.blogspot.com/2013/03/the-monsters-under-house.html?m=1
As for panic shopping: it was a local friend who kicked me into gear. Can't harm, he argued. As I said: the queues were long and very mixed.
On 11 March 2013 21:55, Warigia Bowman <warigia@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Andrea
Bitte sehr.
Please send us the thoughtful coverage that has occurred since March 9 so we can compliment them.
I am technically foreign. Of course I will apply the same amount of scrutiny and criticism to the local media.
Kind regards, Warigia
On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 1:52 PM, Andrea Bohnstedt < andrea.bohnstedt@ratio-magazine.com> wrote:
Maybe Kenya would have been important enough anyway to cover the elections? And I know of many Kenyans who also stocked up on food as well (when they haven't left the country) - you just needed to spend a bit of time in supermarket queues before the elections to see that it was a very solid mix of everyone who lives here.
Any Kenyan would rightly take offense with being wholesale painted as tribal murderers based on 1,500 people having died in 2007/early 08. But what you do is turn around and do exactly the same thing to 'foreign media'.
Yes, there were completely idiotic, wrong, stereotypical articles, and they should be ridiculed every single one. But there were also many competent, insightful, sober pieces. And there are many members of the international who don't just swoop in for elections, but actually live here. Maybe we can judge them one by one rather than condemning all of them wholesale?
In this forum, it will probably be a tricky argument to make that some of the international media actually still (soberly, factually) reported where the local media just shut up. So I won't make it.
And in the meantime, I hope that everyone who's so irritated with the international media will apply the same amount of scrutiny and criticism to the local media and the corruption inside that system.
On 11 March 2013 20:18, Warigia Bowman <warigia@gmail.com> wrote:
Personally, I am feeling very angry at the foreign media. Thanks Evans for this shocking ridiculousness. we need to expose them!
I wrote this yesterday.
http://digitaldemocracykenya.blogspot.com/2013/03/feeling-frustrated-with-ch...
On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 5:30 AM, Evans Ikua <ikua.evans@gmail.com>wrote:
Wow, this is a gem from Time:
"At this election, with a new 2010 constitution, and a new electoral body with a new — though not glitch-free — electronic voting system, Kenyans’ determination to hold a peaceful election has been palpable. *The popular mood has also been notably anti-Western. Foreign diplomats have been warned of blood-curdling revenge should they interfere in the poll*. *Foreign journalists have been publicly ridiculed and denounced as prejudiced if they predicted chaos and disaster.* And a central message of most candidates’ campaigns was strident, patriotic self-determination."
Read more: http://world.time.com/2013/03/09/kenyas-election-what-uhuru-kenyattas-victor...
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Andrea I know it may not be a popular thing to say right now but I agree with you entirely. Let's not throw the baby with the bath water. I personally was very disappointed with the lack of creativity and use of data to extrapolate, analyze and give intelligent synopsis of what was happening. I felt let down by the fact that the information was there but none of the mainstream local media used it to give us more than what the IEBC was giving us on their screen. I found it particularly dumbfounding when we started counting the votes again when we had reached almost 4million votes. That was an opportunity for a good narrative that Kenyans needed to hear. But no..we focused so much on the message of peace (not that I am against peace) that we forgot that the whole process had to be so much above board as to render anyone who questioned the results seem like a joke. Unfortunately we lost that opportunity. Now we have another opportunity to stress test our new constitution and institutions. This may be a silver lining that God has given us so let those who are dissatisfied with the results have their day in court without them being vilified as being unpatriotic. My pesa nane.. Ali Hussein +254 773/713 601113 "The future belongs to him who knows how to wait." - Russian Proverb Sent from my iPad On Mar 11, 2013, at 9:52 PM, Andrea Bohnstedt <andrea.bohnstedt@ratio-magazine.com> wrote:
Maybe Kenya would have been important enough anyway to cover the elections? And I know of many Kenyans who also stocked up on food as well (when they haven't left the country) - you just needed to spend a bit of time in supermarket queues before the elections to see that it was a very solid mix of everyone who lives here.
Any Kenyan would rightly take offense with being wholesale painted as tribal murderers based on 1,500 people having died in 2007/early 08. But what you do is turn around and do exactly the same thing to 'foreign media'.
Yes, there were completely idiotic, wrong, stereotypical articles, and they should be ridiculed every single one. But there were also many competent, insightful, sober pieces. And there are many members of the international who don't just swoop in for elections, but actually live here. Maybe we can judge them one by one rather than condemning all of them wholesale?
In this forum, it will probably be a tricky argument to make that some of the international media actually still (soberly, factually) reported where the local media just shut up. So I won't make it.
And in the meantime, I hope that everyone who's so irritated with the international media will apply the same amount of scrutiny and criticism to the local media and the corruption inside that system.
On 11 March 2013 20:18, Warigia Bowman <warigia@gmail.com> wrote:
Personally, I am feeling very angry at the foreign media. Thanks Evans for this shocking ridiculousness. we need to expose them!
I wrote this yesterday.
http://digitaldemocracykenya.blogspot.com/2013/03/feeling-frustrated-with-ch...
On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 5:30 AM, Evans Ikua <ikua.evans@gmail.com> wrote:
Wow, this is a gem from Time:
"At this election, with a new 2010 constitution, and a new electoral body with a new — though not glitch-free — electronic voting system, Kenyans’ determination to hold a peaceful election has been palpable. The popular mood has also been notably anti-Western. Foreign diplomats have been warned of blood-curdling revenge should they interfere in the poll. Foreign journalists have been publicly ridiculed and denounced as prejudiced if they predicted chaos and disaster. And a central message of most candidates’ campaigns was strident, patriotic self-determination."
Read more: http://world.time.com/2013/03/09/kenyas-election-what-uhuru-kenyattas-victor...
-- ---------------------------------------------------- Kind Regards, Evans Ikua,
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Dear All, First and foremost let me go on record here (I have already done so elsewhere) and congratulate/thank the local media for their part in ensuring a peaceful election. As for the International media - I think that the tirade against them by Kenyans is an indictment against the (foreign) fourth estate. The local media already went through their indictment in 2008 - and this time round voluntarily opted to adhere to a code of conduct and certain protocols. One example was not airing live any press statements by political parties or aspirants and subjecting any such footage to strict vetting according to the standards voluntarily adopted. The fact that international media aired many of these press statements where their local counterparts did not is (sufficient?) grounds for the sharp criticism launched against (all of) them by Kenyans. Andrea - by now you should know that being a member of the fourth estate means that you are right in there with the good, the bad and the ugly and it is only one measuring stick that is used for all of you, so if enough of you fall short - that is the measure that will be used for all. Pole sana for your feeling under attack, this is exactly how local media who did not propagate hate speech in 2007/2008 felt. Nevertheless, it is clear that the point that Kenyans made has sunk home because there has been a clear change in the tone and language of pieces coming from the foreign media. Power to the people! Best regards, Brian On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 10:47 PM, Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> wrote:
Andrea
I know it may not be a popular thing to say right now but I agree with you entirely. Let's not throw the baby with the bath water.
I personally was very disappointed with the lack of creativity and use of data to extrapolate, analyze and give intelligent synopsis of what was happening. I felt let down by the fact that the information was there but none of the mainstream local media used it to give us more than what the IEBC was giving us on their screen. I found it particularly dumbfounding when we started counting the votes again when we had reached almost 4million votes. That was an opportunity for a good narrative that Kenyans needed to hear. But no..we focused so much on the message of peace (not that I am against peace) that we forgot that the whole process had to be so much above board as to render anyone who questioned the results seem like a joke. Unfortunately we lost that opportunity.
Now we have another opportunity to stress test our new constitution and institutions. This may be a silver lining that God has given us so let those who are dissatisfied with the results have their day in court without them being vilified as being unpatriotic.
My pesa nane..
Ali Hussein
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On Mar 11, 2013, at 9:52 PM, Andrea Bohnstedt < andrea.bohnstedt@ratio-magazine.com> wrote:
Maybe Kenya would have been important enough anyway to cover the elections? And I know of many Kenyans who also stocked up on food as well (when they haven't left the country) - you just needed to spend a bit of time in supermarket queues before the elections to see that it was a very solid mix of everyone who lives here.
Any Kenyan would rightly take offense with being wholesale painted as tribal murderers based on 1,500 people having died in 2007/early 08. But what you do is turn around and do exactly the same thing to 'foreign media'.
Yes, there were completely idiotic, wrong, stereotypical articles, and they should be ridiculed every single one. But there were also many competent, insightful, sober pieces. And there are many members of the international who don't just swoop in for elections, but actually live here. Maybe we can judge them one by one rather than condemning all of them wholesale?
In this forum, it will probably be a tricky argument to make that some of the international media actually still (soberly, factually) reported where the local media just shut up. So I won't make it.
And in the meantime, I hope that everyone who's so irritated with the international media will apply the same amount of scrutiny and criticism to the local media and the corruption inside that system.
On 11 March 2013 20:18, Warigia Bowman <warigia@gmail.com> wrote:
Personally, I am feeling very angry at the foreign media. Thanks Evans for this shocking ridiculousness. we need to expose them!
I wrote this yesterday.
http://digitaldemocracykenya.blogspot.com/2013/03/feeling-frustrated-with-ch...
On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 5:30 AM, Evans Ikua <ikua.evans@gmail.com> wrote:
Wow, this is a gem from Time:
"At this election, with a new 2010 constitution, and a new electoral body with a new — though not glitch-free — electronic voting system, Kenyans’ determination to hold a peaceful election has been palpable. *The popular mood has also been notably anti-Western. Foreign diplomats have been warned of blood-curdling revenge should they interfere in the poll*. *Foreign journalists have been publicly ridiculed and denounced as prejudiced if they predicted chaos and disaster.* And a central message of most candidates’ campaigns was strident, patriotic self-determination."
Read more: http://world.time.com/2013/03/09/kenyas-election-what-uhuru-kenyattas-victor...
-- *---------------------------------------------------- Kind Regards, Evans Ikua,*
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Brian, Then I think you (deliberately?) overlooked my point. If there is only one yardstick for all media, it's meaningless - just as much as, obviously, not all Kenyans are tribal murderers. If that's what you think, we don't need to have this debate. Aside from that, I'm not really sure I qualify as 'foreign media'. I write a column for a local paper, and my publishing company is incorporated in Kenya. I write very little for international media, and the bulk of work I write for foreign clients is never openly published. It's not always that black and white (pun kinda not intended, but left in there). Andrea On 11 March 2013 23:47, Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear All,
First and foremost let me go on record here (I have already done so elsewhere) and congratulate/thank the local media for their part in ensuring a peaceful election.
As for the International media - I think that the tirade against them by Kenyans is an indictment against the (foreign) fourth estate.
The local media already went through their indictment in 2008 - and this time round voluntarily opted to adhere to a code of conduct and certain protocols.
One example was not airing live any press statements by political parties or aspirants and subjecting any such footage to strict vetting according to the standards voluntarily adopted. The fact that international media aired many of these press statements where their local counterparts did not is (sufficient?) grounds for the sharp criticism launched against (all of) them by Kenyans.
Andrea - by now you should know that being a member of the fourth estate means that you are right in there with the good, the bad and the ugly and it is only one measuring stick that is used for all of you, so if enough of you fall short - that is the measure that will be used for all. Pole sana for your feeling under attack, this is exactly how local media who did not propagate hate speech in 2007/2008 felt.
Nevertheless, it is clear that the point that Kenyans made has sunk home because there has been a clear change in the tone and language of pieces coming from the foreign media.
Power to the people!
Best regards,
Brian
On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 10:47 PM, Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> wrote:
Andrea
I know it may not be a popular thing to say right now but I agree with you entirely. Let's not throw the baby with the bath water.
I personally was very disappointed with the lack of creativity and use of data to extrapolate, analyze and give intelligent synopsis of what was happening. I felt let down by the fact that the information was there but none of the mainstream local media used it to give us more than what the IEBC was giving us on their screen. I found it particularly dumbfounding when we started counting the votes again when we had reached almost 4million votes. That was an opportunity for a good narrative that Kenyans needed to hear. But no..we focused so much on the message of peace (not that I am against peace) that we forgot that the whole process had to be so much above board as to render anyone who questioned the results seem like a joke. Unfortunately we lost that opportunity.
Now we have another opportunity to stress test our new constitution and institutions. This may be a silver lining that God has given us so let those who are dissatisfied with the results have their day in court without them being vilified as being unpatriotic.
My pesa nane..
Ali Hussein
+254 773/713 601113
"The future belongs to him who knows how to wait." - Russian Proverb
Sent from my iPad
On Mar 11, 2013, at 9:52 PM, Andrea Bohnstedt < andrea.bohnstedt@ratio-magazine.com> wrote:
Maybe Kenya would have been important enough anyway to cover the elections? And I know of many Kenyans who also stocked up on food as well (when they haven't left the country) - you just needed to spend a bit of time in supermarket queues before the elections to see that it was a very solid mix of everyone who lives here.
Any Kenyan would rightly take offense with being wholesale painted as tribal murderers based on 1,500 people having died in 2007/early 08. But what you do is turn around and do exactly the same thing to 'foreign media'.
Yes, there were completely idiotic, wrong, stereotypical articles, and they should be ridiculed every single one. But there were also many competent, insightful, sober pieces. And there are many members of the international who don't just swoop in for elections, but actually live here. Maybe we can judge them one by one rather than condemning all of them wholesale?
In this forum, it will probably be a tricky argument to make that some of the international media actually still (soberly, factually) reported where the local media just shut up. So I won't make it.
And in the meantime, I hope that everyone who's so irritated with the international media will apply the same amount of scrutiny and criticism to the local media and the corruption inside that system.
On 11 March 2013 20:18, Warigia Bowman <warigia@gmail.com> wrote:
Personally, I am feeling very angry at the foreign media. Thanks Evans for this shocking ridiculousness. we need to expose them!
I wrote this yesterday.
http://digitaldemocracykenya.blogspot.com/2013/03/feeling-frustrated-with-ch...
On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 5:30 AM, Evans Ikua <ikua.evans@gmail.com>wrote:
Wow, this is a gem from Time:
"At this election, with a new 2010 constitution, and a new electoral body with a new — though not glitch-free — electronic voting system, Kenyans’ determination to hold a peaceful election has been palpable. *The popular mood has also been notably anti-Western. Foreign diplomats have been warned of blood-curdling revenge should they interfere in the poll *. *Foreign journalists have been publicly ridiculed and denounced as prejudiced if they predicted chaos and disaster.* And a central message of most candidates’ campaigns was strident, patriotic self-determination."
Read more: http://world.time.com/2013/03/09/kenyas-election-what-uhuru-kenyattas-victor...
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Ali Hussein -
Andrea Bohnstedt -
Brian Munyao Longwe -
dmakali＠yahoo.com -
Evans Ikua -
ICT Researcher -
Warigia Bowman