Day 5 - Statistics on Affordability - CCK Internet Study Report
Day 5- Statistics on Affordability. I acknowledge an interesting thread filtering in on Trust relationships b/w IGOs/ISPs...feel free to continue contributing on that as well as on today's theme on affordability (multi-tasking encouraged by internet technologies ...) and just to pick up from Kai's projection of KDN fiber hitting Bungoma in early August 2007. This would be quite a welcome and timely development, but at what cost to the consumer? To what extend will the (internet) services be affordable to the rural/average communities? Affordability is a subjective term gven that what is considered cheap by the Bill Gates of this world is probably not so for the average Kenyan on the street. In trying to get an objective measurement for affordability, the Report pegged it on the national average incomes. In other words, if the monthly average income in Kenya is around 100USD and if the average monthly cost for internet access is also around 100USD then obviously the average Kenyan will not bother with accessing the Internet - it just becomes way beyond their means or too expensive or not affordable. The report indicated that access through the more convenient Internet Dial-up/Desktop services costed over 200% the average incomes (too expensive), while the same access through mobile phones was costing just 8% of the average incomes (quite affordable). What needs to be done in order to make Internet Services more afforable to Kenyans? 1 day deliberation on this one. walu.
Like many other commodities internet is also packaged based on consumer pockets ranging from Ksh 1 per minute in a cyber cafe to Ksh 20,000 for a dedicated home connection. Fiber is the backbone, service providers should then take it and package it for the users depending on their locale and pockets. The GSM operators have provided a blanket coverage of Internet access in the country. The same can be said of the satellite providers. Consider all these networks like the national power grid. How the user connects to it is the key. The main obstacle today are. COST of .. - The Modem/card/satellite dish - The Computer - Set-up/Installation Costs (in some cases over Ksh 70,000with masts etc) tend to be the main factors. The more users that get into the Internet, the lower the monthly/usage prices will be based on economies of scale and competition.
Day 5- Statistics on Affordability.
I acknowledge an interesting thread filtering in on Trust relationships b/w IGOs/ISPs...feel free to continue contributing on that as well as on today's theme on affordability (multi-tasking encouraged by internet technologies ...)
and just to pick up from Kai's projection of KDN fiber hitting Bungoma in early August 2007. This would be quite a welcome and timely development, but at what cost to the consumer? To what extend will the (internet) services be affordable to the rural/average communities?
Affordability is a subjective term gven that what is considered cheap by the Bill Gates of this world is probably not so for the average Kenyan on the street. In trying to get an objective measurement for affordability, the Report pegged it on the national average incomes. In other words, if the monthly average income in Kenya is around 100USD and if the average monthly cost for internet access is also around 100USD then obviously the average Kenyan will not bother with accessing the Internet - it just becomes way beyond their means or too expensive or not affordable.
The report indicated that access through the more convenient Internet Dial-up/Desktop services costed over 200% the average incomes (too expensive), while the same access through mobile phones was costing just 8% of the average incomes (quite affordable). What needs to be done in order to make Internet Services more afforable to Kenyans?
1 day deliberation on this one.
walu.
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I would say more local content because 90%+ of the costs are imported content and capacity! Rgds Kai ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Walubengo" <jwalubengo@kcct.ac.ke> To: <kai.wulff@kdn.co.ke> Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 09:01 Subject: [kictanet] Day 5 - Statistics on Affordability - CCK InternetStudy Report
Day 5- Statistics on Affordability.
I acknowledge an interesting thread filtering in on Trust relationships b/w IGOs/ISPs...feel free to continue contributing on that as well as on today's theme on affordability (multi-tasking encouraged by internet technologies ...)
and just to pick up from Kai's projection of KDN fiber hitting Bungoma in early August 2007. This would be quite a welcome and timely development, but at what cost to the consumer? To what extend will the (internet) services be affordable to the rural/average communities?
Affordability is a subjective term gven that what is considered cheap by the Bill Gates of this world is probably not so for the average Kenyan on the street. In trying to get an objective measurement for affordability, the Report pegged it on the national average incomes. In other words, if the monthly average income in Kenya is around 100USD and if the average monthly cost for internet access is also around 100USD then obviously the average Kenyan will not bother with accessing the Internet - it just becomes way beyond their means or too expensive or not affordable.
The report indicated that access through the more convenient Internet Dial-up/Desktop services costed over 200% the average incomes (too expensive), while the same access through mobile phones was costing just 8% of the average incomes (quite affordable). What needs to be done in order to make Internet Services more afforable to Kenyans?
1 day deliberation on this one.
walu.
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Walu, I agree with you that affordablity is a factor especially for rural communities when it comes to access to the internet. But I think that lack of awareness is an even bigger factor. It's fine for the urban folk (who already recognise the benefits to the internet etc.) taking a short break in shags to have the internet access when back home, but it there is no demand for the internet among the residents what is the point? So does KDN enter a market and then hope to create demand or is their a market that demands the service or is it a little of both? I understand that Kai would not be venturing into the rural areas if it did not make any financial sense. Can anyone provide some info/statistics on demand for internet access in rural areas? Joan Walumbe ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Walubengo" <jwalubengo@kcct.ac.ke> To: <kictanet@kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 9:01 AM Subject: [kictanet] Day 5 - Statistics on Affordability - CCK InternetStudy Report Day 5- Statistics on Affordability. I acknowledge an interesting thread filtering in on Trust relationships b/w IGOs/ISPs...feel free to continue contributing on that as well as on today's theme on affordability (multi-tasking encouraged by internet technologies ...) and just to pick up from Kai's projection of KDN fiber hitting Bungoma in early August 2007. This would be quite a welcome and timely development, but at what cost to the consumer? To what extend will the (internet) services be affordable to the rural/average communities? Affordability is a subjective term gven that what is considered cheap by the Bill Gates of this world is probably not so for the average Kenyan on the street. In trying to get an objective measurement for affordability, the Report pegged it on the national average incomes. In other words, if the monthly average income in Kenya is around 100USD and if the average monthly cost for internet access is also around 100USD then obviously the average Kenyan will not bother with accessing the Internet - it just becomes way beyond their means or too expensive or not affordable. The report indicated that access through the more convenient Internet Dial-up/Desktop services costed over 200% the average incomes (too expensive), while the same access through mobile phones was costing just 8% of the average incomes (quite affordable). What needs to be done in order to make Internet Services more afforable to Kenyans? 1 day deliberation on this one. walu.
Hello, we leave it to the ISPs to create the demand. We were hoping that with our rural initiatives, like connecting schools and showing them how to educate the parents (and make money with this) will increase the demand on a natural way. What we have seen wit some Rural BTS, it takes about 12 month until it is break even ... The problem is when you create the demand and then some World Bank money starts to compete before you can recover the cost. It is my strong believe that wherever a device can be operated, there WILL be a market. The private sector needs the Government as a user there as well as the private companies and consumers. Only then will the prices drop! We still focus too much on the INTERNET, what most people need for a start is LOCAL information and communication .. so I would say: 90% local IP traffic and 10% international .. Kai ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joan Walumbe" <jwalumbe@globalnetcorps.org> To: <kai.wulff@kdn.co.ke> Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 10:26 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Day 5 - Statistics on Affordability - CCKInternetStudy Report
Walu,
I agree with you that affordablity is a factor especially for rural communities when it comes to access to the internet. But I think that lack of awareness is an even bigger factor. It's fine for the urban folk (who already recognise the benefits to the internet etc.) taking a short break in shags to have the internet access when back home, but it there is no demand for the internet among the residents what is the point?
So does KDN enter a market and then hope to create demand or is their a market that demands the service or is it a little of both?
I understand that Kai would not be venturing into the rural areas if it did not make any financial sense. Can anyone provide some info/statistics on demand for internet access in rural areas?
Joan Walumbe
----- Original Message ----- From: "John Walubengo" <jwalubengo@kcct.ac.ke> To: <kictanet@kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 9:01 AM Subject: [kictanet] Day 5 - Statistics on Affordability - CCK InternetStudy Report
Day 5- Statistics on Affordability.
I acknowledge an interesting thread filtering in on Trust relationships b/w IGOs/ISPs...feel free to continue contributing on that as well as on today's theme on affordability (multi-tasking encouraged by internet technologies ...)
and just to pick up from Kai's projection of KDN fiber hitting Bungoma in early August 2007. This would be quite a welcome and timely development, but at what cost to the consumer? To what extend will the (internet) services be affordable to the rural/average communities?
Affordability is a subjective term gven that what is considered cheap by the Bill Gates of this world is probably not so for the average Kenyan on the street. In trying to get an objective measurement for affordability, the Report pegged it on the national average incomes. In other words, if the monthly average income in Kenya is around 100USD and if the average monthly cost for internet access is also around 100USD then obviously the average Kenyan will not bother with accessing the Internet - it just becomes way beyond their means or too expensive or not affordable.
The report indicated that access through the more convenient Internet Dial-up/Desktop services costed over 200% the average incomes (too expensive), while the same access through mobile phones was costing just 8% of the average incomes (quite affordable). What needs to be done in order to make Internet Services more afforable to Kenyans?
1 day deliberation on this one.
walu.
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thanks Kai for the response, we need many people responding to this issue, in my opinion, the government should find a way of using the WB money through the private sector, so that the private sector does not see as if the government is competing and killing the profit margin, in this regard, the government could come up with some MOU with the private sector so that some of the money invested is government's and some PS. that way, part of the profits will be ploughed back (it will be mandatory) i remember during the OFC workshop, Kai shared how IFC funded a private secotor consortium to carry out some survey at USD 300k and a similar survey carried out by govts was valued at USD 3m maybe this can help reduce costs and provide a way for govt and PS to work together and deliver quality market services, develop the content and all.. its just an opinion, its not absolute, lets hear as many voices as possible, it is at these forums/discussions that great ideas come up, regards Kai Wulff <kai.wulff@kdn.co.ke> wrote: Hello, we leave it to the ISPs to create the demand. We were hoping that with our rural initiatives, like connecting schools and showing them how to educate the parents (and make money with this) will increase the demand on a natural way. What we have seen wit some Rural BTS, it takes about 12 month until it is break even ... The problem is when you create the demand and then some World Bank money starts to compete before you can recover the cost. It is my strong believe that wherever a device can be operated, there WILL be a market. The private sector needs the Government as a user there as well as the private companies and consumers. Only then will the prices drop! We still focus too much on the INTERNET, what most people need for a start is LOCAL information and communication .. so I would say: 90% local IP traffic and 10% international .. Kai ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joan Walumbe" To: Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 10:26 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Day 5 - Statistics on Affordability - CCKInternetStudy Report
Walu,
I agree with you that affordablity is a factor especially for rural communities when it comes to access to the internet. But I think that lack of awareness is an even bigger factor. It's fine for the urban folk (who already recognise the benefits to the internet etc.) taking a short break in shags to have the internet access when back home, but it there is no demand for the internet among the residents what is the point?
So does KDN enter a market and then hope to create demand or is their a market that demands the service or is it a little of both?
I understand that Kai would not be venturing into the rural areas if it did not make any financial sense. Can anyone provide some info/statistics on demand for internet access in rural areas?
Joan Walumbe
----- Original Message ----- From: "John Walubengo" To: Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 9:01 AM Subject: [kictanet] Day 5 - Statistics on Affordability - CCK InternetStudy Report
Day 5- Statistics on Affordability.
I acknowledge an interesting thread filtering in on Trust relationships b/w IGOs/ISPs...feel free to continue contributing on that as well as on today's theme on affordability (multi-tasking encouraged by internet technologies ...)
and just to pick up from Kai's projection of KDN fiber hitting Bungoma in early August 2007. This would be quite a welcome and timely development, but at what cost to the consumer? To what extend will the (internet) services be affordable to the rural/average communities?
Affordability is a subjective term gven that what is considered cheap by the Bill Gates of this world is probably not so for the average Kenyan on the street. In trying to get an objective measurement for affordability, the Report pegged it on the national average incomes. In other words, if the monthly average income in Kenya is around 100USD and if the average monthly cost for internet access is also around 100USD then obviously the average Kenyan will not bother with accessing the Internet - it just becomes way beyond their means or too expensive or not affordable.
The report indicated that access through the more convenient Internet Dial-up/Desktop services costed over 200% the average incomes (too expensive), while the same access through mobile phones was costing just 8% of the average incomes (quite affordable). What needs to be done in order to make Internet Services more afforable to Kenyans?
1 day deliberation on this one.
walu.
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Agreed with Becky, I expected more views on this touchy subject of affordability. I do know we had technical hiccups but I trust they are now over...so lets hear more from the stakeholders - Consumers, Operators, Government, Regulators, etc. walu. --- Rebecca Wanjiku <rebeccawanjiku@yahoo.com> wrote: > thanks Kai for the response, > we need many people responding to this issue, > > in my opinion, the government should find a way of using > the WB money through the private sector, so that the > private sector does not see as if the government is > competing and killing the profit margin, > > in this regard, the government could come up with some > MOU with the private sector so that some of the money > invested is government's and some PS. > that way, part of the profits will be ploughed back (it > will be mandatory) > > i remember during the OFC workshop, Kai shared how IFC > funded a private secotor consortium to carry out some > survey at USD 300k and a similar survey carried out by > govts was valued at USD 3m > > maybe this can help reduce costs and provide a way for > govt and PS to work together and deliver quality market > services, develop the content and all.. > > its just an opinion, its not absolute, > > lets hear as many voices as possible, > it is at these forums/discussions that great ideas come > up, > > regards > > Kai Wulff <kai.wulff@kdn.co.ke> wrote: Hello, > > we leave it to the ISPs to create the demand. We were > hoping that with our > rural initiatives, like connecting schools and showing > them how to educate > the parents (and make money with this) will increase the > demand on a natural > way. > > What we have seen wit some Rural BTS, it takes about 12 > month until it is > break even ... > > The problem is when you create the demand and then some > World Bank money > starts to compete before you can recover the cost. It is > my strong believe > that wherever a device can be operated, there WILL be a > market. The private > sector needs the Government as a user there as well as > the private companies > and consumers. Only then will the prices drop! We still > focus too much on > the INTERNET, what most people need for a start is LOCAL > information and > communication .. so I would say: 90% local IP traffic and > 10% international > .. > > Kai > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joan Walumbe" > To: > Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 10:26 > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Day 5 - Statistics on > Affordability - > CCKInternetStudy Report > > > > Walu, > > > > I agree with you that affordablity is a factor > especially for rural > > communities when it comes to access to the internet. > But I think that lack > > of awareness is an even bigger factor. It's fine for > the urban folk (who > > already recognise the benefits to the internet etc.) > taking a short break > > in > > shags to have the internet access when back home, but > it there is no > > demand > > for the internet among the residents what is the point? > > > > So does KDN enter a market and then hope to create > demand or is their a > > market that demands the service or is it a little of > both? > > > > I understand that Kai would not be venturing into the > rural areas if it > > did > > not make any financial sense. Can anyone provide some > info/statistics on > > demand for internet access in rural areas? > > > > Joan Walumbe > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "John Walubengo" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 9:01 AM > > Subject: [kictanet] Day 5 - Statistics on Affordability > - CCK > > InternetStudy > > Report > > > > > > Day 5- Statistics on Affordability. > > > > I acknowledge an interesting thread filtering in on > Trust relationships > > b/w > > IGOs/ISPs...feel free to continue contributing on that > as well as on > > today's theme on affordability (multi-tasking > > encouraged by internet technologies ...) > > > > and just to pick up from Kai's projection of KDN fiber > hitting Bungoma in > > early August 2007. This would be quite a welcome and > timely development, > > but at what cost to the consumer? To what extend will > the (internet) > > services be affordable to the rural/average > communities? > > > > Affordability is a subjective term gven that what is > considered cheap by > > the > > Bill Gates of this world is probably not so for the > average Kenyan on the > > street. In trying to get an objective measurement for > affordability, the > > Report pegged it on the national average incomes. In > other words, if the > > monthly average income in Kenya is around 100USD and if > the average > > monthly > > cost for internet access is also around 100USD then > obviously the average > > Kenyan will not bother with accessing the Internet - it > just becomes way > > beyond their means or too expensive or not affordable. > > > > The report indicated that access through the more > convenient Internet > > Dial-up/Desktop services costed over 200% the average > incomes (too > > expensive), while the same access through mobile > phones was costing just > > 8% > > of the average incomes (quite affordable). What needs > to be done in > > order > > to make Internet Services more afforable to Kenyans? > > > > 1 day deliberation on this one. > > > > walu. > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > kictanet mailing list > > kictanet@kictanet.or.ke > > http://kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > > > Please unsubscribe or change your options at > > > http://kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/kai.wulff%40kdn.co.ke > > > > > _______________________________________________ > kictanet mailing list > kictanet@kictanet.or.ke > http://kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > Please unsubscribe or change your options at > http://kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/rebeccawanjiku%40yahoo.com > > > > Rebecca Wanjiku, > journalist, > p.o box 33515, > Nairobi.00600 > Kenya. > > Tel. 254 720 318 925 > > blog:http://beckyit.blogspot.com/ > > === message truncated ===> _______________________________________________ > kictanet mailing list > kictanet@kictanet.or.ke > http://kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > Please unsubscribe or change your options at http://kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/jwalu%40yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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You see, If the Government guarantees a certain capacity uptake in all districts and providers will tender for how much they will be able to provide this capacity, then we have competition, National Network Rollouts and development without the Worldbank. Kai _____ From: kictanet-bounces+kai.wulff=kdn.co.ke@kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+kai.wulff=kdn.co.ke@kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Rebecca Wanjiku Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 10:23 To: kai.wulff@kdn.co.ke Subject: [kictanet] Day 5 - Statistics on Affordability - CCKInternetStudyReport thanks Kai for the response, we need many people responding to this issue, in my opinion, the government should find a way of using the WB money through the private sector, so that the private sector does not see as if the government is competing and killing the profit margin, in this regard, the government could come up with some MOU with the private sector so that some of the money invested is government's and some PS. that way, part of the profits will be ploughed back (it will be mandatory) i remember during the OFC workshop, Kai shared how IFC funded a private secotor consortium to carry out some survey at USD 300k and a similar survey carried out by govts was valued at USD 3m maybe this can help reduce costs and provide a way for govt and PS to work together and deliver quality market services, develop the content and all.. its just an opinion, its not absolute, lets hear as many voices as possible, it is at these forums/discussions that great ideas come up, regards Kai Wulff <kai.wulff@kdn.co.ke> wrote: Hello, we leave it to the ISPs to create the demand. We were hoping that with our rural initiatives, like connecting schools and showing them how to educate the parents (and make money with this) will increase the demand on a natural way. What we have seen wit some Rural BTS, it takes about 12 month until it is break even ... The problem is when you create the demand and then some World Bank money starts to compete before you can recover the cost. It is my strong believe that wherever a device can be operated, there WILL be a market. The private sector needs the Government as a user there as well as the private companies and consumers. Only then will the prices drop! We still focus too much on the INTERNET, what most people need for a start is LOCAL information and communication .. so I would say: 90% local IP traffic and 10% international .. Kai ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joan Walumbe" To: Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 10:26 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Day 5 - Statistics on Affordability - CCKInternetStudy Report
Walu,
I agree with you that affordablity is a factor especially for rural communities when it comes to access to the internet. But I think that lack of awareness is an even bigger factor. It's fine for the urban folk (who already recognise the benefits to the internet etc.) taking a short break in shags to have the internet access when back home, but it there is no demand for the internet among the residents what is the point?
So does KDN enter a market and then hope to create demand or is their a market that demands the service or is it a little of both?
I understand that Kai would not be venturing into the rural areas if it did not make any financial sense. Can anyone provide some info/statistics on demand for internet access in rural areas?
Joan Walumbe
----- Original Message ----- From: "John Walubengo" To: Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 9:01 AM Subject: [kictanet] Day 5 - Statistics on Affordability - CCK InternetStudy Report
Day 5- Statistics on Affordability.
I acknowledge an interesting thread filtering in on Trust relationships b/w IGOs/ISPs...feel free to continue contributing on that as well as on today's theme on affordability (multi-tasking encouraged by internet technologies ...)
and just to pick up from Kai's projection of KDN fiber hitting Bungoma in early August 2007. This would be quite a welcome and timely development, but at what cost to the consumer? To what extend will the (internet) services be affordable to the rural/average communities?
Affordability is a subjective term gven that what is considered cheap by the Bill Gates of this world is probably not so for the average Kenyan on the street. In trying to get an objective measurement for affordability, the Report pegged it on the national average incomes. In other words, if the monthly average income in Kenya is around 100USD and if the average monthly cost for internet access is also around 100USD then obviously the average Kenyan will not bother with accessing the Internet - it just becomes way beyond their means or too expensive or not affordable.
The report indicated that access through the more convenient Internet Dial-up/Desktop services costed over 200% the average incomes (too expensive), while the same access through mobile phones was costing just 8% of the average incomes (quite affordable). What needs to be done in order to make Internet Services more afforable to Kenyans?
1 day deliberation on this one.
walu.
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Rebecca There is that side of the coin for the government that it is imperative for them to have their own fibre for many a strategic reason, but to avoid cries from the private sector....In my opinion, if it were possible we should be working with the Government for them to take on a role where they work on a strategy to ensure that prices remain down OR stay acceptable, by building critical mass on the demand side of things. ( WB money can do a fairly good job here). take a leaf from the mobile banking done by some banks where they move from place to place offering services, what of mobile digital literacy containers on wheels? To create a scenario where well over 80% of your population above 15 and below 50 ( no offense meant) has digital literacy surely is a good goal to work towards? It should almost be like a re-education of all demographic groups above a certain age. and it can be done. Why the rural areas are not seen as attractive is obvious to all. Building capacity is almost a B2Client role as a mass market approach is a no go area for the private sector because then it becomes anyone's game ( ie they consumer can just shift from supplier to suplier etc) and who will pay for the capacity building costs - the government ( + WB) I hope? Fatma ----- Original Message ----- From: Rebecca Wanjiku To: fbashir@cyberschooltech.com Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 10:22 AM Subject: [kictanet] Day 5 - Statistics on Affordability - CCKInternetStudyReport thanks Kai for the response, we need many people responding to this issue, in my opinion, the government should find a way of using the WB money through the private sector, so that the private sector does not see as if the government is competing and killing the profit margin, in this regard, the government could come up with some MOU with the private sector so that some of the money invested is government's and some PS. that way, part of the profits will be ploughed back (it will be mandatory) i remember during the OFC workshop, Kai shared how IFC funded a private secotor consortium to carry out some survey at USD 300k and a similar survey carried out by govts was valued at USD 3m maybe this can help reduce costs and provide a way for govt and PS to work together and deliver quality market services, develop the content and all.. its just an opinion, its not absolute, lets hear as many voices as possible, it is at these forums/discussions that great ideas come up, regards Kai Wulff <kai.wulff@kdn.co.ke> wrote: Hello, we leave it to the ISPs to create the demand. We were hoping that with our rural initiatives, like connecting schools and showing them how to educate the parents (and make money with this) will increase the demand on a natural way. What we have seen wit some Rural BTS, it takes about 12 month until it is break even ... The problem is when you create the demand and then some World Bank money starts to compete before you can recover the cost. It is my strong believe that wherever a device can be operated, there WILL be a market. The private sector needs the Government as a user there as well as the private companies and consumers. Only then will the prices drop! We still focus too much on the INTERNET, what most people need for a start is LOCAL information and communication .. so I would say: 90% local IP traffic and 10% international .. Kai ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joan Walumbe" To: Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 10:26 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Day 5 - Statistics on Affordability - CCKInternetStudy Report > Walu, > > I agree with you that affordablity is a factor especially for rural > communities when it comes to access to the internet. But I think that lack > of awareness is an even bigger factor. It's fine for the urban folk (who > already recognise the benefits to the internet etc.) taking a short break > in > shags to have the internet access when back home, but it there is no > demand > for the internet among the residents what is the point? > > So does KDN enter a market and then hope to create demand or is their a > market that demands the service or is it a little of both? > > I understand that Kai would not be venturing into the rural areas if it > did > not make any financial sense. Can anyone provide some info/statistics on > demand for internet access in rural areas? > > Joan Walumbe > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Walubengo" > To: > Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 9:01 AM > Subject: [kictanet] Day 5 - Statistics on Affordability - CCK > InternetStudy > Report > > > Day 5- Statistics on Affordability. > > I acknowledge an interesting thread filtering in on Trust relationships > b/w > IGOs/ISPs...feel free to continue contributing on that as well as on > today's theme on affordability (multi-tasking > encouraged by internet technologies ...) > > and just to pick up from Kai's projection of KDN fiber hitting Bungoma in > early August 2007. This would be quite a welcome and timely development, > but at what cost to the consumer? To what extend will the (internet) > services be affordable to the rural/average communities? > > Affordability is a subjective term gven that what is considered cheap by > the > Bill Gates of this world is probably not so for the average Kenyan on the > street. In trying to get an objective measurement for affordability, the > Report pegged it on the national average incomes. In other words, if the > monthly average income in Kenya is around 100USD and if the average > monthly > cost for internet access is also around 100USD then obviously the average > Kenyan will not bother with accessing the Internet - it just becomes way > beyond their means or too expensive or not affordable. > > The report indicated that access through the more convenient Internet > Dial-up/Desktop services costed over 200% the average incomes (too > expensive), while the same access through mobile phones was costing just > 8% > of the average incomes (quite affordable). What needs to be done in > order > to make Internet Services more afforable to Kenyans? > > 1 day deliberation on this one. > > walu. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > kictanet mailing list > kictanet@kictanet.or.ke > http://kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > Please unsubscribe or change your options at > http://kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/kai.wulff%40kdn.co.ke > _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@kictanet.or.ke http://kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Please unsubscribe or change your options at http://kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/rebeccawanjiku%40yahoo.com Rebecca Wanjiku, journalist, p.o box 33515, Nairobi.00600 Kenya. Tel. 254 720 318 925 blog:http://beckyit.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check out new cars at Yahoo! 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The study seems to have dwelt on the supply side. We need one that focuses on the demand side to ensure that once infrastructure is in place it will be utilised. alice Joan Walumbe wrote:
Walu,
I agree with you that affordablity is a factor especially for rural communities when it comes to access to the internet. But I think that lack of awareness is an even bigger factor. It's fine for the urban folk (who already recognise the benefits to the internet etc.) taking a short break in shags to have the internet access when back home, but it there is no demand for the internet among the residents what is the point?
So does KDN enter a market and then hope to create demand or is their a market that demands the service or is it a little of both?
I understand that Kai would not be venturing into the rural areas if it did not make any financial sense. Can anyone provide some info/statistics on demand for internet access in rural areas?
Joan Walumbe
----- Original Message ----- From: "John Walubengo" <jwalubengo@kcct.ac.ke> To: <kictanet@kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 9:01 AM Subject: [kictanet] Day 5 - Statistics on Affordability - CCK InternetStudy Report
Day 5- Statistics on Affordability.
I acknowledge an interesting thread filtering in on Trust relationships b/w IGOs/ISPs...feel free to continue contributing on that as well as on today's theme on affordability (multi-tasking encouraged by internet technologies ...)
and just to pick up from Kai's projection of KDN fiber hitting Bungoma in early August 2007. This would be quite a welcome and timely development, but at what cost to the consumer? To what extend will the (internet) services be affordable to the rural/average communities?
Affordability is a subjective term gven that what is considered cheap by the Bill Gates of this world is probably not so for the average Kenyan on the street. In trying to get an objective measurement for affordability, the Report pegged it on the national average incomes. In other words, if the monthly average income in Kenya is around 100USD and if the average monthly cost for internet access is also around 100USD then obviously the average Kenyan will not bother with accessing the Internet - it just becomes way beyond their means or too expensive or not affordable.
The report indicated that access through the more convenient Internet Dial-up/Desktop services costed over 200% the average incomes (too expensive), while the same access through mobile phones was costing just 8% of the average incomes (quite affordable). What needs to be done in order to make Internet Services more afforable to Kenyans?
1 day deliberation on this one.
walu.
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Joan, I dont have statistics but working in the education sector, I see what KDN sees in the schools, schools will be the incubation ground for the demand for ICT in the rural areas (60% of schools are in rural areas). In about a year and a half years time the picture will start changing as high school graduates will be computer savvy and naturally opt to continue pursuing interests ranging from search of opportunities for enterpreneurship to formal job hunting using the internet or just keeping intouch!. Further more when we look at schools and their facilities, they can easily become the information centres for the communities around them and also offer affordable capacity building to the parents of the students nearby. Then they will start to look for ways to make some money and the international/local content picture will start to swing in our favor. Imagine one day you will go online and order your chopped sukuma wiki and packet of carrots from the local mama mbogo outside your estate, she will deliver to your house you will pay her on your way back home or GOd knows even online?. its the form form leaver who will have designed the website for her and its the nearby school that will have taught her computer 101. whats missing is the segment that should be dealing with Capacity Building in an informal way or even sensitizing and awareness ( ie we dont have to attend college proper we can just go to the neighbourhood place and learn some basics) I think that this is where the Lag might be felt by the likes of KDN...and others. Fatma ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joan Walumbe" <jwalumbe@globalnetcorps.org> To: <fbashir@cyberschooltech.com> Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 10:26 AM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Day 5 - Statistics on Affordability - CCKInternetStudy Report
Walu,
I agree with you that affordablity is a factor especially for rural communities when it comes to access to the internet. But I think that lack of awareness is an even bigger factor. It's fine for the urban folk (who already recognise the benefits to the internet etc.) taking a short break in shags to have the internet access when back home, but it there is no demand for the internet among the residents what is the point?
So does KDN enter a market and then hope to create demand or is their a market that demands the service or is it a little of both?
I understand that Kai would not be venturing into the rural areas if it did not make any financial sense. Can anyone provide some info/statistics on demand for internet access in rural areas?
Joan Walumbe
----- Original Message ----- From: "John Walubengo" <jwalubengo@kcct.ac.ke> To: <kictanet@kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 9:01 AM Subject: [kictanet] Day 5 - Statistics on Affordability - CCK InternetStudy Report
Day 5- Statistics on Affordability.
I acknowledge an interesting thread filtering in on Trust relationships b/w IGOs/ISPs...feel free to continue contributing on that as well as on today's theme on affordability (multi-tasking encouraged by internet technologies ...)
and just to pick up from Kai's projection of KDN fiber hitting Bungoma in early August 2007. This would be quite a welcome and timely development, but at what cost to the consumer? To what extend will the (internet) services be affordable to the rural/average communities?
Affordability is a subjective term gven that what is considered cheap by the Bill Gates of this world is probably not so for the average Kenyan on the street. In trying to get an objective measurement for affordability, the Report pegged it on the national average incomes. In other words, if the monthly average income in Kenya is around 100USD and if the average monthly cost for internet access is also around 100USD then obviously the average Kenyan will not bother with accessing the Internet - it just becomes way beyond their means or too expensive or not affordable.
The report indicated that access through the more convenient Internet Dial-up/Desktop services costed over 200% the average incomes (too expensive), while the same access through mobile phones was costing just 8% of the average incomes (quite affordable). What needs to be done in order to make Internet Services more afforable to Kenyans?
1 day deliberation on this one.
walu.
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Joan,
I dont have statistics but working in the education sector, I see what KDN sees in the schools, schools will be the incubation ground for the demand for ICT in the rural areas (60% of schools are in rural areas). In about a year and a half years time the picture will start changing as high school graduates will be computer savvy and naturally opt to continue pursuing interests ranging from search of opportunities for enterpreneurship to formal job hunting using the internet or just keeping intouch!.
Further more when we look at schools and their facilities, they can easily become the information centres for the communities around them and also offer affordable capacity building to the parents of the students nearby. Then they will start to look for ways to make some money and the international/local content picture will start to swing in our favor.
Imagine one day you will go online and order your chopped sukuma wiki and packet of carrots from the local mama mbogo outside your estate, she will deliver to your house you will pay her on your way back home or GOd knows even online?. its the form form leaver who will have designed the website for her and its the nearby school that will have taught her computer 101.
whats missing is the segment that should be dealing with Capacity Building in an informal way or even sensitizing and awareness ( ie we dont have to attend college proper we can just go to the neighbourhood place and learn some basics) I think that this is where the Lag might be felt by the likes of KDN...and others.
Fatma
----- Original Message ----- From: "Joan Walumbe" <jwalumbe@globalnetcorps.org> To: <fbashir@cyberschooltech.com> Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 10:26 AM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Day 5 - Statistics on Affordability - CCKInternetStudy Report
Walu,
I agree with you that affordablity is a factor especially for rural communities when it comes to access to the internet. But I think that lack of awareness is an even bigger factor. It's fine for the urban folk (who already recognise the benefits to the internet etc.) taking a short break in shags to have the internet access when back home, but it there is no demand for the internet among the residents what is the point?
So does KDN enter a market and then hope to create demand or is their a market that demands the service or is it a little of both?
I understand that Kai would not be venturing into the rural areas if it did not make any financial sense. Can anyone provide some info/statistics on demand for internet access in rural areas?
Joan Walumbe
----- Original Message ----- From: "John Walubengo" <jwalubengo@kcct.ac.ke> To: <kictanet@kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 9:01 AM Subject: [kictanet] Day 5 - Statistics on Affordability - CCK InternetStudy Report
Day 5- Statistics on Affordability.
I acknowledge an interesting thread filtering in on Trust relationships b/w IGOs/ISPs...feel free to continue contributing on that as well as on today's theme on affordability (multi-tasking encouraged by internet technologies ...)
and just to pick up from Kai's projection of KDN fiber hitting Bungoma in early August 2007. This would be quite a welcome and timely development, but at what cost to the consumer? To what extend will the (internet) services be affordable to the rural/average communities?
Affordability is a subjective term gven that what is considered cheap by the Bill Gates of this world is probably not so for the average Kenyan on
street. In trying to get an objective measurement for affordability,
Report pegged it on the national average incomes. In other words, if
Thanks Fatma, Much appreciated. Joan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fatma Bashir" <fbashir@cyberschooltech.com> To: "Kenya ICT Action Network - KICTANet" <kictanet@kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 1:31 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Day 5 - Statistics on Affordability -CCKInternetStudy Report the the the
monthly average income in Kenya is around 100USD and if the average monthly cost for internet access is also around 100USD then obviously the average Kenyan will not bother with accessing the Internet - it just becomes way beyond their means or too expensive or not affordable.
The report indicated that access through the more convenient Internet Dial-up/Desktop services costed over 200% the average incomes (too expensive), while the same access through mobile phones was costing just 8% of the average incomes (quite affordable). What needs to be done in order to make Internet Services more afforable to Kenyans?
1 day deliberation on this one.
walu.
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Hi all, So many issues discussed while I was way, rather long even after trying so hard to be brief feel free to ask for details if need be. I have touched on 1. Local content. 2. Demand 3. Education 4. Infrastructure 5. Financing and Sustainability 6. WB (Development Sector) 7. Roles 8. Way Forward, ------------------------------------ 1. Local content. Multi-pronged approach a) Every government department to have a website in six months update at least once/month b) Companies without website to be given a "website dev. tax rebate" (they go on line first?) c) Every school to have a domain. d) KENIC slashes domain name costs >> envisaged en-masse new registrations justifies this e) Pornography: Have any e-preparedness? Fatma shared a horrifying perception encounter 2. Demand a) Involve non traditional and enlist new communities of users(e.g. religious faithful for verses) b) CCK ensures users have "full" internet ( i.e. VoIP no crippled by any provider). c) MVoIP means cheap communication >> already in high demand d) 45% of Europeans watch TV online <http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/05/03/45-of-europeans-watch-tv-online/> 3. Education a) Everybody avoids this, even their own staff skills>>poach from competitors>> so introduce training levy collected from to all providers. b) Levy funds common good education diverse outlets (e-media, print, posters, big street adverts ...) c) Consumer education>> trust foundation for continued use of services (not a petulant expense) d) Funds communication research 4. Infrastructure (PS captured my sentiments) and I believe government works for common good of everyone. I add, - MVoIP cheap communication >> sustainable smallNETs(my 22 March presentation) - Have we entered a new age of communication industry (google P2P, joost) - Embracing Open Access is good because infrastructure dominance will not withstand consumer choice freedom pressure. 5. Financing and Sustainability a) I acknowledge sustainability challenges already exist "FACING ECONOMIC REALITIES OF MUNI WI-FI" <http://news.com.com/Facing+economic+realities+of+muni+Wi-Fi/2100-7351_3-6181058.html?tag=nefd.lede> b) This does not take away UA obligations >> info access and communication is a basic human right c) Business now to think not out of the box, but above it. Think about making just one (1) bob profit from every Kenyan every day>> that company is shillings 30 million richer every day 6. WB (Development Sector) - WB subsidy welcome. Was fast packaged delivered in 4months when they usually take 18 months. - Usually, development sector support in ICT comes too little too late, nonetheless appreciated. 7. Roles We all have contributory but different roles to play although market dominance wrangles cloud vision. Consumers are yearning to participate! 8. Way Forward, Government immediately forms a muti-stakeholder iCt strategy working committee a lean, mean-working group (and lets say I am the CEO:-) Parliament is already considering a separate ICT-specific committee>> legislators value sector. This is what we will achieve:- - to develop local sensitive e-comm. framework (selfishly I'd like to shop at "Uchumi online") - get those satellite mounted tracks across Kenya educating - set-up sustainable small rural community networks and underserved urban areas>>residential - Give free/help public institutions and schools with website templates - Venture where no-one is looking (e.g. train senior citizens on ICTs use, Create SME portal and lobby government for "Universal Access" to business for small and disadvantaged businesses, say only 10% or shs 50 billion annual budget>> change public procuments act?) - User-centric, demand triggering active engagement with industry, government, well-wishers.... Walu, do I have this hypothetical job? thanks Alex Fatma Bashir <fbashir@cyberschooltech.com> wrote: Joan, I dont have statistics but working in the education sector, I see what KDN sees in the schools, schools will be the incubation ground for the demand for ICT in the rural areas (60% of schools are in rural areas). In about a year and a half years time the picture will start changing as high school graduates will be computer savvy and naturally opt to continue pursuing interests ranging from search of opportunities for enterpreneurship to formal job hunting using the internet or just keeping intouch!. Further more when we look at schools and their facilities, they can easily become the information centres for the communities around them and also offer affordable capacity building to the parents of the students nearby. Then they will start to look for ways to make some money and the international/local content picture will start to swing in our favor. Imagine one day you will go online and order your chopped sukuma wiki and packet of carrots from the local mama mbogo outside your estate, she will deliver to your house you will pay her on your way back home or GOd knows even online?. its the form form leaver who will have designed the website for her and its the nearby school that will have taught her computer 101. whats missing is the segment that should be dealing with Capacity Building in an informal way or even sensitizing and awareness ( ie we dont have to attend college proper we can just go to the neighbourhood place and learn some basics) I think that this is where the Lag might be felt by the likes of KDN...and others. Fatma ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joan Walumbe" To: Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 10:26 AM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Day 5 - Statistics on Affordability - CCKInternetStudy Report
Walu,
I agree with you that affordablity is a factor especially for rural communities when it comes to access to the internet. But I think that lack of awareness is an even bigger factor. It's fine for the urban folk (who already recognise the benefits to the internet etc.) taking a short break in shags to have the internet access when back home, but it there is no demand for the internet among the residents what is the point?
So does KDN enter a market and then hope to create demand or is their a market that demands the service or is it a little of both?
I understand that Kai would not be venturing into the rural areas if it did not make any financial sense. Can anyone provide some info/statistics on demand for internet access in rural areas?
Joan Walumbe
----- Original Message ----- From: "John Walubengo" To: Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 9:01 AM Subject: [kictanet] Day 5 - Statistics on Affordability - CCK InternetStudy Report
Day 5- Statistics on Affordability.
I acknowledge an interesting thread filtering in on Trust relationships b/w IGOs/ISPs...feel free to continue contributing on that as well as on today's theme on affordability (multi-tasking encouraged by internet technologies ...)
and just to pick up from Kai's projection of KDN fiber hitting Bungoma in early August 2007. This would be quite a welcome and timely development, but at what cost to the consumer? To what extend will the (internet) services be affordable to the rural/average communities?
Affordability is a subjective term gven that what is considered cheap by the Bill Gates of this world is probably not so for the average Kenyan on the street. In trying to get an objective measurement for affordability, the Report pegged it on the national average incomes. In other words, if the monthly average income in Kenya is around 100USD and if the average monthly cost for internet access is also around 100USD then obviously the average Kenyan will not bother with accessing the Internet - it just becomes way beyond their means or too expensive or not affordable.
The report indicated that access through the more convenient Internet Dial-up/Desktop services costed over 200% the average incomes (too expensive), while the same access through mobile phones was costing just 8% of the average incomes (quite affordable). What needs to be done in order to make Internet Services more afforable to Kenyans?
1 day deliberation on this one.
walu.
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Whao! quite a burst of energy here. Looks like the technical holdup or hiccup brought the best out of some of us ;-) Very important specifics/To-DO-Lists outlined here. Including ofcourse the self-appointed CEO role... walu. --- Alex Gakuru <alex.gakuru@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hi all,
So many issues discussed while I was way, rather long even after trying so hard to be brief feel free to ask for details if need be. I have touched on
1. Local content. 2. Demand 3. Education 4. Infrastructure 5. Financing and Sustainability 6. WB (Development Sector) 7. Roles 8. Way Forward, ------------------------------------ 1. Local content. Multi-pronged approach
a) Every government department to have a website in six months update at least once/month b) Companies without website to be given a "website dev. tax rebate" (they go on line first?) c) Every school to have a domain. d) KENIC slashes domain name costs >> envisaged en-masse new registrations justifies this e) Pornography: Have any e-preparedness? Fatma shared a horrifying perception encounter
2. Demand a) Involve non traditional and enlist new communities of users(e.g. religious faithful for verses) b) CCK ensures users have "full" internet ( i.e. VoIP no crippled by any provider). c) MVoIP means cheap communication >> already in high demand d) 45% of Europeans watch TV online
<http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/05/03/45-of-europeans-watch-tv-online/>
3. Education a) Everybody avoids this, even their own staff skills>>poach from competitors>> so introduce training levy collected from to all providers. b) Levy funds common good education diverse outlets (e-media, print, posters, big street adverts ...) c) Consumer education>> trust foundation for continued use of services (not a petulant expense) d) Funds communication research
4. Infrastructure (PS captured my sentiments) and I believe government works for common good of everyone. I add, - MVoIP cheap communication >> sustainable smallNETs(my 22 March presentation) - Have we entered a new age of communication industry (google P2P, joost) - Embracing Open Access is good because infrastructure dominance will not withstand consumer choice freedom pressure.
5. Financing and Sustainability a) I acknowledge sustainability challenges already exist "FACING ECONOMIC REALITIES OF MUNI WI-FI"
<http://news.com.com/Facing+economic+realities+of+muni+Wi-Fi/2100-7351_3-6181058.html?tag=nefd.lede>
b) This does not take away UA obligations >> info access and communication is a basic human right c) Business now to think not out of the box, but above it. Think about making just one (1) bob profit from every Kenyan every day>> that company is shillings 30 million richer every day
6. WB (Development Sector) - WB subsidy welcome. Was fast packaged delivered in 4months when they usually take 18 months. - Usually, development sector support in ICT comes too little too late, nonetheless appreciated.
7. Roles
We all have contributory but different roles to play although market dominance wrangles cloud vision. Consumers are yearning to participate!
8. Way Forward,
Government immediately forms a muti-stakeholder iCt strategy working committee a lean, mean-working group (and lets say I am the CEO:-) Parliament is already considering a separate ICT-specific committee>> legislators value sector.
This is what we will achieve:-
- to develop local sensitive e-comm. framework (selfishly I'd like to shop at "Uchumi online") - get those satellite mounted tracks across Kenya educating - set-up sustainable small rural community networks and underserved urban areas>>residential - Give free/help public institutions and schools with website templates - Venture where no-one is looking (e.g. train senior citizens on ICTs use, Create SME portal and lobby government for "Universal Access" to business for small and disadvantaged businesses, say only 10% or shs 50 billion annual budget>> change public procuments act?) - User-centric, demand triggering active engagement with industry, government, well-wishers....
Walu, do I have this hypothetical job?
thanks
Alex
Fatma Bashir <fbashir@cyberschooltech.com> wrote: Joan,
I dont have statistics but working in the education sector, I see what KDN sees in the schools, schools will be the incubation ground for the demand for ICT in the rural areas (60% of schools are in rural areas). In about a year and a half years time the picture will start changing as high school graduates will be computer savvy and naturally opt to continue pursuing interests ranging from search of opportunities for enterpreneurship to formal job hunting using the internet or just keeping intouch!.
Further more when we look at schools and their facilities, they can easily become the information centres for the communities around them and also offer affordable capacity building to the parents of the students nearby. Then they will start to look for ways to make some money and the international/local content picture will start to swing in our favor.
Imagine one day you will go online and order your chopped sukuma wiki and packet of carrots from the local mama mbogo outside your estate, she will deliver to your house you will pay her on your way back home or GOd knows even online?. its the form form leaver who will have designed the website for her and its the nearby school that will have taught her computer 101.
whats missing is the segment that should be dealing with Capacity Building in an informal way or even sensitizing and awareness ( ie we dont have to attend college proper we can just go to the neighbourhood place and learn some basics) I think that this is where the Lag might be felt by the likes of KDN...and others.
Fatma
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Walu,
I agree with you that affordablity is a factor especially for rural communities when it comes to access to the internet. But === message truncated ===>
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--- Fatma Bashir <fbashir@cyberschooltech.com> wrote: snip>>Imagine one day you will go online and order your chopped sukuma wiki and packet of carrots from the local mama mbogo outside your estate, she will deliver to your house you will pay her on your way back home or GOd knows even online?..<<snip I really hope I will live to see such a day. But am told such systems are challenged not just technically or legislatively but also 'Address-ively'. Mama mbogo will have no way of knowing where to deliver your online-requested goods since our Postal-Address Systems are NOT residential. Same problem why the water services chaps can cut your water-supply but fail to know where you live when you pay for the reconnection - u must literally drive the spanner boys to your house <yes, my water was cut recently :-( > But that's a digression, the point is that we are facing a complex challenge that does not have a silver bullet solution. It not the worldbank, nor the Govt nor the Operator nor the Regulator who has the answer to Internet Affordability, etc. Its probably all of them working in Sync. Missing out on any the players will result in a wasted effort on the part of the others. walu. --- Fatma Bashir <fbashir@cyberschooltech.com> wrote: > Joan, > > I dont have statistics but working in the education > sector, I see what KDN > sees in the schools, schools will be the incubation > ground for the demand > for ICT in the rural areas (60% of schools are in rural > areas). In about a > year and a half years time the picture will start > changing as high school > graduates will be computer savvy and naturally opt to > continue pursuing > interests ranging from search of opportunities for > enterpreneurship to > formal job hunting using the internet or just keeping > intouch!. > > Further more when we look at schools and their > facilities, they can easily > become the information centres for the communities around > them and also > offer affordable capacity building to the parents of the > students nearby. > Then they will start to look for ways to make some money > and the > international/local content picture will start to swing > in our favor. > > Imagine one day you will go online and order your chopped > sukuma wiki and > packet of carrots from the local mama mbogo outside your > estate, she will > deliver to your house you will pay her on your way back > home or GOd knows > even online?. its the form form leaver who will have > designed the website > for her and its the nearby school that will have taught > her computer 101. > > whats missing is the segment that should be dealing with > Capacity Building > in an informal way or even sensitizing and awareness ( ie > we dont have to > attend college proper we can just go to the neighbourhood > place and learn > some basics) I think that this is where the Lag might be > felt by the likes > of KDN...and others. > > Fatma > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joan Walumbe" <jwalumbe@globalnetcorps.org> > To: <fbashir@cyberschooltech.com> > Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 10:26 AM > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Day 5 - Statistics on > Affordability - > CCKInternetStudy Report > > > > Walu, > > > > I agree with you that affordablity is a factor > especially for rural > > communities when it comes to access to the internet. > But I think that lack > > of awareness is an even bigger factor. It's fine for > the urban folk (who > > already recognise the benefits to the internet etc.) > taking a short break > > in > > shags to have the internet access when back home, but > it there is no > > demand > > for the internet among the residents what is the point? > > > > So does KDN enter a market and then hope to create > demand or is their a > > market that demands the service or is it a little of > both? > > > > I understand that Kai would not be venturing into the > rural areas if it > > did > > not make any financial sense. Can anyone provide some > info/statistics on > > demand for internet access in rural areas? > > > > Joan Walumbe > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "John Walubengo" <jwalubengo@kcct.ac.ke> > > To: <kictanet@kictanet.or.ke> > > Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 9:01 AM > > Subject: [kictanet] Day 5 - Statistics on Affordability > - CCK > > InternetStudy > > Report > > > > > > Day 5- Statistics on Affordability. > > > > I acknowledge an interesting thread filtering in on > Trust relationships > > b/w > > IGOs/ISPs...feel free to continue contributing on that > as well as on > > today's theme on affordability (multi-tasking > > encouraged by internet technologies ...) > > > > and just to pick up from Kai's projection of KDN fiber > hitting Bungoma in > > early August 2007. This would be quite a welcome and > timely development, > > but at what cost to the consumer? To what extend will > the (internet) > > services be affordable to the rural/average > communities? > > > > Affordability is a subjective term gven that what is > considered cheap by > > the > > Bill Gates of this world is probably not so for the > average Kenyan on the > > street. In trying to get an objective measurement for > affordability, the > > Report pegged it on the national average incomes. In > other words, if the > > monthly average income in Kenya is around 100USD and if > the average > > monthly > > cost for internet access is also around 100USD then > obviously the average > > Kenyan will not bother with accessing the Internet - it > just becomes way > > beyond their means or too expensive or not affordable. > > > > The report indicated that access through the more > convenient Internet > > Dial-up/Desktop services costed over 200% the average > incomes (too > > expensive), while the same access through mobile > phones was costing just > > 8% > > of the average incomes (quite affordable). What needs > to be done in > > order > > to make Internet Services more afforable to Kenyans? > > > > 1 day deliberation on this one. > > > > walu. > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > kictanet mailing list > > kictanet@kictanet.or.ke > > http://kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > > > Please unsubscribe or change your options at > > > http://kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/fbashir%40cyberschooltech.com > > > > > ---------------------------------------------- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by Jambo MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > --------------------------------------------- > "easy access to the world" > > > _______________________________________________ > kictanet mailing list > kictanet@kictanet.or.ke > http://kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > Please unsubscribe or change your options at > http://kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/jwalu%40yahoo.com > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Need Mail bonding? 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Walu, Your concern on affordability of internet access by rural communities is justified. I don't think fibre optics (being a point-to-point) network can benefit a majority of rural communities economically unless there is a seriously subsidized provision of the last-mile network. Thousands of schools and Government offices which are situated far away from the fibre optics paths will never sniff the benefits of broadband communications supplied through fibre optics pipe. Fibre optics, microwave and satellite media always complement each other, especially for restoration purposes. We have to find affordable means of netting for our folks in the outskirts. Can Walu's concern be addressed in all the cases? On 5/3/07 9:01 AM, "John Walubengo" <jwalubengo@kcct.ac.ke> wrote:
Day 5- Statistics on Affordability.
I acknowledge an interesting thread filtering in on Trust relationships b/w IGOs/ISPs...feel free to continue contributing on that as well as on today's theme on affordability (multi-tasking encouraged by internet technologies ...)
and just to pick up from Kai's projection of KDN fiber hitting Bungoma in early August 2007. This would be quite a welcome and timely development, but at what cost to the consumer? To what extend will the (internet) services be affordable to the rural/average communities?
Affordability is a subjective term gven that what is considered cheap by the Bill Gates of this world is probably not so for the average Kenyan on the street. In trying to get an objective measurement for affordability, the Report pegged it on the national average incomes. In other words, if the monthly average income in Kenya is around 100USD and if the average monthly cost for internet access is also around 100USD then obviously the average Kenyan will not bother with accessing the Internet - it just becomes way beyond their means or too expensive or not affordable.
The report indicated that access through the more convenient Internet Dial-up/Desktop services costed over 200% the average incomes (too expensive), while the same access through mobile phones was costing just 8% of the average incomes (quite affordable). What needs to be done in order to make Internet Services more afforable to Kenyans?
1 day deliberation on this one.
walu.
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