Of monkeys and loaded guns
The last one week has been preoccupied with talk of the media bill (Media Council bill) and the implications it has on the media. i will therefore not dwell on the details about monkeys and loaded guns because the slogan-loaded tirades were traded in public. Beyond the media bill, there is the KCA (98) amendment bill which went through first reading last week. But what are we hearing? Its all about the media and cross ownership. The grievances the media has and how the government wants to regulate or gag it. What about other aspects of ICT? Is the media council bill wholly wrong? How comes the KCA is not receiving as much attention as it should? Is there anything good in KCA that can be preserved or worked on? What about the voice of ICT stakeholders who may have a divergent opinion. The media prides itself as the agenda setter and gate keeper in the society; they say that whatever is written or aired is the wish of the people, that thats all that you want to read. But is it the case? The next stop for the media is the high court, challenging the government on the bill. They have consulted a law firm to file the suit. But is the KCA all about media? What is your take? Tel. 254 720 318 925 blog:http://beckyit.blogspot.com/ --------------------------------- Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online.
For more than I can remember "stakeholders" in the ICT sector have been urging, lobbying, at times threatening government to do its job re; ensure a conducive policy and regulatory environment within which the sector can thrive and contribute to development and poverty eradication. The government has done just that, and more, the process of developing the ICT bill was and has been one of the most participatory policy making processes most of us had ever been involved in despite the initial set backs Re; secret ICT policy and bill. We have lagged behind our neighbors, Uganda and Tanzania because of our out of date legislative and regulatory regime and a lack of focus and coordination in addressing ICT challenges and opportunities. Now that the current government is clearly committed to removing barriers to ICT development there has been for the longest time the need to develop a comprehensive act and set of regulations driven by the input and commitment of all the groups and sectors who will be responsible for turning it into reality We now have a bill, which was presented to parliament for the first reading. Instead of condemning the bill in its entirety, we must work together to ensure that we have one that supports the growth of the sector and clearly links to all the other development issues. We have a one or two weeks to input into the process before it goes for second reading and the media sector needs to at least give the KCA amendment bill a chance. best alice Note: My comments are entirely personal and do not reflect any position of the organizations I am affiliated with. Rebecca Wanjiku wrote:
The last one week has been preoccupied with talk of the media bill (Media Council bill) and the implications it has on the media.
i will therefore not dwell on the details about monkeys and loaded guns because the slogan-loaded tirades were traded in public. Beyond the media bill, there is the KCA (98) amendment bill which went through first reading last week. But what are we hearing? It’s all about the media and cross ownership. The grievances the media has and how the government wants to regulate or gag it. What about other aspects of ICT? Is the media council bill wholly wrong? How comes the KCA is not receiving as much attention as it should? Is there anything good in KCA that can be preserved or worked on? What about the voice of ICT stakeholders who may have a divergent opinion. The media prides itself as the agenda setter and gate keeper in the society; they say that whatever is written or aired is the wish of the people, that that’s all that you want to read. But is it the case? The next stop for the media is the high court, challenging the government on the bill. They have consulted a law firm to file the suit. But is the KCA all about media? What is your take?
Tel. 254 720 318 925
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Dear All: This is above my known pro-consumer advocacy. It is about your civic duty time and resources investment wastage by the ministry of information and communications. No matter how nice the ICT policy is, it is not the law thus your contributions to the process are mist and dew. I am afraid I will not let off government so easily, obviously because I have faced very bad forces and know better some of the dynamics at play, foremost their deliberate (twice) refusal to register the ICT Consumer Association of Kenya-reason it would disrupt lucrative telecoms status quo. Do not waste your time with KACA who have failed to sue even where there exists ample evidence, and now are blaming "limitations" When we were asked to discussion Bill version before parliament, nobody responded, why? The Ministry is proposing to pass a law that is against the spirit of the nation. In other words an illegal law. Apathy may have come because the government is confident of i-house numbers to pass any law they want. The ICT Policy reflected in previous (February-2006 not the one before Parliament) draft Bill reflected our collective ICT aspirations that were tough to reach at Mombasa (and Engineer Rege Consumers respect you.) Comparing the tabled Bill with KCA 1998 legitimises backdoor violation government policy commitment. We should compare the current that bill with the February 2006 draft. But you cannot have it! When the www.information.go.ke downgraded their website, the document was dropped. Picking one example - Internet Censorship Would one not suspect recent opposition websites "hackings", curiously Ruto's redirected to KACA? The ministry Bill has chosen to be silent thereby facilitating internet censorship - because it not illegal. We are not only getting worse off that Uganda and Tanzania but are now fast speeding towards Zimbabwe where censorship is legal. (see my recent post) since May 2006, the top five most popular Ethiopian web sites (including CyberEthiopia) and several blogs have been blocked and are inaccessible across Ethiopia. The apparent objective is to prevent the dissemination of information that is critical of the current regime. See http://www.cyberethiopia.com/net/docs/internet_repression_in_ethiopia.ht ml RSF had also reported the censorship along with other media watchdogs and had called on the relevant ministries in Ethiopia, but no reaction so far. http://www.rsf.org/article.php3?id_article=17783 We need to consider "Web Database to Fix Corrupt Politicians" and urge the public to report whenever politicians are seen wining and dining with steak-holders while we, stakeholders, remain served on their plates. http://www.wired.com/politics/law/news/2007/04/maplight Lastly, what is the point of e-government expenditure when even simple government officials do not answer emails? Unless a fundamental commitment to respond to public email is visible, perhaps we should save all than tax money for a better purpose. Otherwise, rushing passage of a patchwork bill will not help Kenya much only to maintain and restrengthen the status quo. We have also "performance contracts" with our core work and we soon have to ask the government to pay for our endless "consultative" time results of which are deliberately left out of intended documents. I have a suggestion to make why don't we all post our wish list and present these to Gideo Moi - Chairman, ICT committee. This way, the law makers conscience will be awakened and we shall have better chances challenging the law in courts later should the lawmakers proceed to enact a law against the peoples wishes? Purpose: 1. To read people's e-Kenya desires, readiness, and awaken us all from ICT Bill apathy because while in this state they will pass the law right under our noses 2. To rekindle and influence ICT Bill discussion - apathy will see a weak law pass right under our noses 3. Enhance diversified list participation 4. Innovative engagement - Wish lists are non-committal so nobody (no flare-ups?) 5. Question budgetary allocation trends (eg ICT Board gets Sh140 million set-up but Sh70 million to actual outsourcing???) So let us compile our wish list and deliver them to Giden Moi and Hon. Kaparo. Alex Gakuru --- alice <alice@apc.org> wrote:
For more than I can remember "stakeholders" in the ICT sector have been urging, lobbying, at times threatening government to do its job re; ensure a conducive policy and regulatory environment within which the sector can thrive and contribute to development and poverty eradication.
The government has done just that, and more, the process of developing the ICT bill was and has been one of the most participatory policy making processes most of us had ever been involved in despite the initial set backs Re; secret ICT policy and bill.
We have lagged behind our neighbors, Uganda and Tanzania because of our out of date legislative and regulatory regime and a lack of focus and coordination in addressing ICT challenges and opportunities.
Now that the current government is clearly committed to removing barriers to ICT development there has been for the longest time the need to develop a comprehensive act and set of regulations driven by the input and commitment of all the groups and sectors who will be responsible for turning it into reality
We now have a bill, which was presented to parliament for the first reading. Instead of condemning the bill in its entirety, we must work together to ensure that we have one that supports the growth of the sector and clearly links to all the other development issues.
We have a one or two weeks to input into the process before it goes for second reading and the media sector needs to at least give the KCA amendment bill a chance.
best alice
Note: My comments are entirely personal and do not reflect any position of the organizations I am affiliated with.
The last one week has been preoccupied with talk of the media bill (Media Council bill) and the implications it has on the media.
i will therefore not dwell on the details about monkeys and loaded guns because the slogan-loaded tirades were traded in public. Beyond the media bill, there is the KCA (98) amendment bill which went through first reading last week. But what are we hearing? Its all about the media and cross ownership. The grievances the media has and how the government wants to regulate or gag it. What about other aspects of ICT? Is the media council bill wholly wrong? How comes the KCA is not receiving as much attention as it should? Is there anything good in KCA that can be
about the voice of ICT stakeholders who may have a
Rebecca Wanjiku wrote: preserved or worked on? What divergent opinion.
The media prides itself as the agenda setter and gate keeper in the society; they say that whatever is written or aired is the wish of the people, that thats all that you want to read. But is it the case? The next stop for the media is the high court, challenging the government on the bill. They have consulted a law firm to file the suit. But is the KCA all about media? What is your take?
Tel. 254 720 318 925
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Alex I agree with you re; wish list and there was a bit of that discussion initially. We need to have a look at the bill that was presented. From my quick scan a lot of the issues presented by KICTAnet stakeholders have been left out. Quoting an earlier message from MM "Some areas that warrant attention are: - policy formulation in the ICT sector . ICT stakeholders participated in the ICT formulation process for the first time in 2006 and now have a sense of ownership to that policy. This is as should be because the government strategy is to use the private sector to drive growth . The proposed clause 5 fails to take into account the lessons learned from the policy formulation process and locks out all other stakeholders in policy formulation - governance - Minister can appoint unlimited number of the board members to the CCK board because the operative language for all appointments in clause 6 is .. at least one --- . No advantage can be demonstrated. All other regulators have an upper limit on the board members who range from 5 to 9 members. Secondly , almost all others have no government officers to avoid conflict of interest where government has shareholding in operators and in any case the regulator implements policy promulgated by the government thirdly all the board appointments are heavily tilted to the supply side and only one appointee will represent the consumer side some of these concerns and more were pointed out by KICTANET but have not taken on board Muriuki Mureithi" best alice Alex Gakuru wrote:
Dear All:
This is above my known pro-consumer advocacy. It is about your civic duty time and resources investment wastage by the ministry of information and communications.
No matter how nice the ICT policy is, it is not the law thus your contributions to the process are mist and dew.
I am afraid I will not let off government so easily, obviously because I have faced very bad forces and know better some of the dynamics at play, foremost their deliberate (twice) refusal to register the ICT Consumer Association of Kenya-reason it would disrupt lucrative telecoms status quo. Do not waste your time with KACA who have failed to sue even where there exists ample evidence, and now are blaming "limitations"
When we were asked to discussion Bill version before parliament, nobody responded, why? The Ministry is proposing to pass a law that is against the spirit of the nation. In other words an illegal law. Apathy may have come because the government is confident of i-house numbers to pass any law they want.
The ICT Policy reflected in previous (February-2006 not the one before Parliament) draft Bill reflected our collective ICT aspirations that were tough to reach at Mombasa (and Engineer Rege Consumers respect you.)
Comparing the tabled Bill with KCA 1998 legitimises backdoor violation government policy commitment. We should compare the current that bill with the February 2006 draft. But you cannot have it! When the www.information.go.ke downgraded their website, the document was dropped.
Picking one example - Internet Censorship
Would one not suspect recent opposition websites "hackings", curiously Ruto's redirected to KACA?
The ministry Bill has chosen to be silent thereby facilitating internet censorship - because it not illegal. We are not only getting worse off that Uganda and Tanzania but are now fast speeding towards Zimbabwe where censorship is legal. (see my recent post)
since May 2006, the top five most popular Ethiopian web sites (including CyberEthiopia) and several blogs have been blocked and are inaccessible across Ethiopia. The apparent objective is to prevent the dissemination of information that is critical of the current regime.
See http://www.cyberethiopia.com/net/docs/internet_repression_in_ethiopia.ht ml
RSF had also reported the censorship along with other media watchdogs and had called on the relevant ministries in Ethiopia, but no reaction so far.
http://www.rsf.org/article.php3?id_article=17783
We need to consider "Web Database to Fix Corrupt Politicians" and urge the public to report whenever politicians are seen wining and dining with steak-holders while we, stakeholders, remain served on their plates.
http://www.wired.com/politics/law/news/2007/04/maplight
Lastly, what is the point of e-government expenditure when even simple government officials do not answer emails? Unless a fundamental commitment to respond to public email is visible, perhaps we should save all than tax money for a better purpose.
Otherwise, rushing passage of a patchwork bill will not help Kenya much only to maintain and restrengthen the status quo. We have also "performance contracts" with our core work and we soon have to ask the government to pay for our endless "consultative" time results of which are deliberately left out of intended documents.
I have a suggestion to make why don't we all post our wish list and present these to Gideo Moi - Chairman, ICT committee. This way, the law makers conscience will be awakened and we shall have better chances challenging the law in courts later should the lawmakers proceed to enact a law against the peoples wishes?
Purpose:
1. To read people's e-Kenya desires, readiness, and awaken us all from ICT Bill apathy because while in this state they will pass the law right under our noses
2. To rekindle and influence ICT Bill discussion - apathy will see a weak law pass right under our noses 3. Enhance diversified list participation 4. Innovative engagement - Wish lists are non-committal so nobody (no flare-ups?) 5. Question budgetary allocation trends (eg ICT Board gets Sh140 million set-up but Sh70 million to actual outsourcing???)
So let us compile our wish list and deliver them to Giden Moi and Hon. Kaparo.
Alex Gakuru
--- alice <alice@apc.org> wrote:
For more than I can remember "stakeholders" in the ICT sector have been urging, lobbying, at times threatening government to do its job re; ensure a conducive policy and regulatory environment within which the sector can thrive and contribute to development and poverty eradication.
The government has done just that, and more, the process of developing the ICT bill was and has been one of the most participatory policy making processes most of us had ever been involved in despite the initial set backs Re; secret ICT policy and bill.
We have lagged behind our neighbors, Uganda and Tanzania because of our out of date legislative and regulatory regime and a lack of focus and coordination in addressing ICT challenges and opportunities.
Now that the current government is clearly committed to removing barriers to ICT development there has been for the longest time the need to develop a comprehensive act and set of regulations driven by the input and commitment of all the groups and sectors who will be responsible for turning it into reality
We now have a bill, which was presented to parliament for the first reading. Instead of condemning the bill in its entirety, we must work together to ensure that we have one that supports the growth of the sector and clearly links to all the other development issues.
We have a one or two weeks to input into the process before it goes for second reading and the media sector needs to at least give the KCA amendment bill a chance.
best alice
Note: My comments are entirely personal and do not reflect any position of the organizations I am affiliated with.
Rebecca Wanjiku wrote:
The last one week has been preoccupied with talk
of the media bill
(Media Council bill) and the implications it has
on the media.
i will therefore not dwell on the details about
monkeys and loaded
guns because the slogan-loaded tirades were traded
in public.
Beyond the media bill, there is the KCA (98)
amendment bill which went
through first reading last week. But what are we hearing? It’s all about the media
and cross ownership.
The grievances the media has and how the
government wants to regulate
or gag it. What about other aspects of ICT? Is the media
council bill wholly
wrong? How comes the KCA is not receiving as much
attention as it should?
Is there anything good in KCA that can be
preserved or worked on? What
about the voice of ICT stakeholders who may have a
divergent opinion.
The media prides itself as the agenda setter and
gate keeper in the
society; they say that whatever is written or
aired is the wish of the
people, that that’s all that you want to read. But
is it the case?
The next stop for the media is the high court,
challenging the
government on the bill. They have consulted a law
firm to file the suit.
But is the KCA all about media? What is your take?
Tel. 254 720 318 925
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Dear All, While I understand your concern, I think it is important to understand the Law making process. After you present your views, the AG's office has to go through them and re-draft the Bill. We usually have no say in the process. The bast chance you can have to change the clauses is at committee stage because there you are dealing directly with the Law makers. I therefore urge you to come to Safari Park on the 16th to have your contributions taken care of. We are not wasting any resources by giving a chance to contribute. Regards Bitange Ndemo.
Alex
I agree with you re; wish list and there was a bit of that discussion initially. We need to have a look at the bill that was presented. From my quick scan a lot of the issues presented by KICTAnet stakeholders have been left out.
Quoting an earlier message from MM "Some areas that warrant attention are:
- policy formulation in the ICT sector . ICT stakeholders participated in the ICT formulation process for the first time in 2006 and now have a sense of ownership to that policy. This is as should be because the government strategy is to use the private sector to drive growth . The proposed clause 5 fails to take into account the lessons learned from the policy formulation process and locks out all other stakeholders in policy formulation
- governance - Minister can appoint unlimited number of the board members to the CCK board because the operative language for all appointments in clause 6 is .. at least one --- . No advantage can be demonstrated. All other regulators have an upper limit on the board members who range from
5 to 9 members. Secondly , almost all others have no government officers to avoid conflict of interest where government has shareholding in operators and in any case the regulator implements policy promulgated by the government thirdly all the board appointments are heavily tilted to the supply side and only one appointee will represent the consumer side some of these concerns and more were pointed out by KICTANET but have not taken on board Muriuki Mureithi"
best alice
Alex Gakuru wrote:
Dear All:
This is above my known pro-consumer advocacy. It is about your civic duty time and resources investment wastage by the ministry of information and communications.
No matter how nice the ICT policy is, it is not the law thus your contributions to the process are mist and dew.
I am afraid I will not let off government so easily, obviously because I have faced very bad forces and know better some of the dynamics at play, foremost their deliberate (twice) refusal to register the ICT Consumer Association of Kenya-reason it would disrupt lucrative telecoms status quo. Do not waste your time with KACA who have failed to sue even where there exists ample evidence, and now are blaming "limitations"
When we were asked to discussion Bill version before parliament, nobody responded, why? The Ministry is proposing to pass a law that is against the spirit of the nation. In other words an illegal law. Apathy may have come because the government is confident of i-house numbers to pass any law they want.
The ICT Policy reflected in previous (February-2006 not the one before Parliament) draft Bill reflected our collective ICT aspirations that were tough to reach at Mombasa (and Engineer Rege Consumers respect you.)
Comparing the tabled Bill with KCA 1998 legitimises backdoor violation government policy commitment. We should compare the current that bill with the February 2006 draft. But you cannot have it! When the www.information.go.ke downgraded their website, the document was dropped.
Picking one example - Internet Censorship
Would one not suspect recent opposition websites "hackings", curiously Ruto's redirected to KACA?
The ministry Bill has chosen to be silent thereby facilitating internet censorship - because it not illegal. We are not only getting worse off that Uganda and Tanzania but are now fast speeding towards Zimbabwe where censorship is legal. (see my recent post)
since May 2006, the top five most popular Ethiopian web sites (including CyberEthiopia) and several blogs have been blocked and are inaccessible across Ethiopia. The apparent objective is to prevent the dissemination of information that is critical of the current regime.
See http://www.cyberethiopia.com/net/docs/internet_repression_in_ethiopia.ht ml
RSF had also reported the censorship along with other media watchdogs and had called on the relevant ministries in Ethiopia, but no reaction so far.
http://www.rsf.org/article.php3?id_article=17783
We need to consider "Web Database to Fix Corrupt Politicians" and urge the public to report whenever politicians are seen wining and dining with steak-holders while we, stakeholders, remain served on their plates.
http://www.wired.com/politics/law/news/2007/04/maplight
Lastly, what is the point of e-government expenditure when even simple government officials do not answer emails? Unless a fundamental commitment to respond to public email is visible, perhaps we should save all than tax money for a better purpose.
Otherwise, rushing passage of a patchwork bill will not help Kenya much only to maintain and restrengthen the status quo. We have also "performance contracts" with our core work and we soon have to ask the government to pay for our endless "consultative" time results of which are deliberately left out of intended documents.
I have a suggestion to make why don't we all post our wish list and present these to Gideo Moi - Chairman, ICT committee. This way, the law makers conscience will be awakened and we shall have better chances challenging the law in courts later should the lawmakers proceed to enact a law against the peoples wishes?
Purpose:
1. To read people's e-Kenya desires, readiness, and awaken us all from ICT Bill apathy because while in this state they will pass the law right under our noses
2. To rekindle and influence ICT Bill discussion - apathy will see a weak law pass right under our noses 3. Enhance diversified list participation 4. Innovative engagement - Wish lists are non-committal so nobody (no flare-ups?) 5. Question budgetary allocation trends (eg ICT Board gets Sh140 million set-up but Sh70 million to actual outsourcing???)
So let us compile our wish list and deliver them to Giden Moi and Hon. Kaparo.
Alex Gakuru
--- alice <alice@apc.org> wrote:
For more than I can remember "stakeholders" in the ICT sector have been urging, lobbying, at times threatening government to do its job re; ensure a conducive policy and regulatory environment within which the sector can thrive and contribute to development and poverty eradication.
The government has done just that, and more, the process of developing the ICT bill was and has been one of the most participatory policy making processes most of us had ever been involved in despite the initial set backs Re; secret ICT policy and bill.
We have lagged behind our neighbors, Uganda and Tanzania because of our out of date legislative and regulatory regime and a lack of focus and coordination in addressing ICT challenges and opportunities.
Now that the current government is clearly committed to removing barriers to ICT development there has been for the longest time the need to develop a comprehensive act and set of regulations driven by the input and commitment of all the groups and sectors who will be responsible for turning it into reality
We now have a bill, which was presented to parliament for the first reading. Instead of condemning the bill in its entirety, we must work together to ensure that we have one that supports the growth of the sector and clearly links to all the other development issues.
We have a one or two weeks to input into the process before it goes for second reading and the media sector needs to at least give the KCA amendment bill a chance.
best alice
Note: My comments are entirely personal and do not reflect any position of the organizations I am affiliated with.
Rebecca Wanjiku wrote:
The last one week has been preoccupied with talk
of the media bill
(Media Council bill) and the implications it has
on the media.
i will therefore not dwell on the details about
monkeys and loaded
guns because the slogan-loaded tirades were traded
in public.
Beyond the media bill, there is the KCA (98)
amendment bill which went
through first reading last week. But what are we hearing? Its all about the media
and cross ownership.
The grievances the media has and how the
government wants to regulate
or gag it. What about other aspects of ICT? Is the media
council bill wholly
wrong? How comes the KCA is not receiving as much
attention as it should?
Is there anything good in KCA that can be
preserved or worked on? What
about the voice of ICT stakeholders who may have a
divergent opinion.
The media prides itself as the agenda setter and
gate keeper in the
society; they say that whatever is written or
aired is the wish of the
people, that thats all that you want to read. But
is it the case?
The next stop for the media is the high court,
challenging the
government on the bill. They have consulted a law
firm to file the suit.
But is the KCA all about media? What is your take?
Tel. 254 720 318 925
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Dear All, Today is Saba Saba day - a good day to liberate ICT Law and reclaim our digital future. The greatest liberation you could give every Kenyan today is a compact ICT Law! I usually complain about mobile operators, but today it's only in the "mobile blame" aspects. I would like to elaborate courtesy does not permit...remember we are online here...and I have to be courteous http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1855.txt But unfortunately, migratory blame does not address unsolved needs of the abandoned plains, terrain, flora and fauna and our baby ICT ideas risk forever being bottled inside of us. Our Wish List is still very necessary; at the very least, to strengthen "inclusion" principle. Remember also that it is non-committal, and no body will you or get offended by an innocent wish list from KICTAnet? KICTAneters who say all sorts of things? But seriously, this is a very import moment in the history of our country and if we get the *wrong* ICT law sailing through parliament while watching helplessly, we shall do so much irreparable damage to ourselves for a very long, long, long time. Be empowered, speak-up, and pour your hearts out. Let us share our ideas how we expect ICT Laws to be ensure justice in the e-space. Just remember that it is only a wish list and we shall ask them ALL to check if your wishes are catered for in the proposed Bill. Tell us what your wish for a truly digitally connected Kenya is. Nothing is impossible-only http://www.chrisreevehomepage.com/nothing-is-impossible.html Though diverse, KICTAnet members collectively invested tremendously to this process and it would be a shame to let all go to waste (Alice thanks for this "park" space) We have very limited time to hold government, the Attorney General and all the Hon. ICT Law makers accountable, i.e. the people in authority and those in-waiting (or between) authority. Go on and start wishing right away...... Notes: 1. Walubengo (the moderator and I) will note your properly legalised digital Kenya wishes. 2. A KICTAnet rep will present wishes to PS at the upcoming event. 3. You can send on-or-off list to either, both of us 4. If you remain silent then you are also part of the problem, offer a solution. DISCLAIMER My consumer involvement is different from this activity thus I shall be neutral and alert all when I am wearing that hat.(telcos and ISPs people we are "buddies" on this one huh;-) ____________________________________________________________________________________ Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/
Dear Listers, I do appreciate u must be fatigued by the discussions on ICT bill because we have gone over and over it a thousand times. But here is how I propose we do it since we only have this week to review and am sure most of u have not reviewed the bill document ;-). The document has sevaral main components as listed below (not in any priority). 1. Issues of the Regulator (setup, operations, board appointments, etc) 2. Telecoms & Radio (setup, operations, licensing,etc) 3. Postal Services (setup, operations, licensing,etc) 4. Information Technology Sevices (setup, operations, licensing,etc) 5. Broadcast and Media (setup, operations, licensing,etc) 6. Universal Service Fund (setup, operations) So, the wish list Alex was asking for is basically u saying what u would like to see taken care of under the above topics (we shall find out for u if it is catered for in bill on not). Tell us also what u would NOT like to see as well. I hope that should be a lot more simpler, plse start shooting (typing) your wishes in any order... As an example, my 1st wish is on the Regulator, how I wish the Director General could be nominated by the President but vetted and appointed by Parliament. More like the format used to arrive at the the Directors of KACC, Kenya Anti Corruption Commission...(that was easy, right?, start hitting your keyboard now and not tomorrow) walu. --- Alex Gakuru <alex.gakuru@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dear All,
Today is Saba Saba day - a good day to liberate ICT Law and reclaim our digital future. The greatest liberation you could give every Kenyan today is a compact ICT Law!
I usually complain about mobile operators, but today it's only in the "mobile blame" aspects. I would like to elaborate courtesy does not permit...remember we are online here...and I have to be courteous http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1855.txt
But unfortunately, migratory blame does not address unsolved needs of the abandoned plains, terrain, flora and fauna and our baby ICT ideas risk forever being bottled inside of us.
Our Wish List is still very necessary; at the very least, to strengthen "inclusion" principle. Remember also that it is non-committal, and no body will you or get offended by an innocent wish list from KICTAnet? KICTAneters who say all sorts of things?
But seriously, this is a very import moment in the history of our country and if we get the *wrong* ICT law sailing through parliament while watching helplessly, we shall do so much irreparable damage to ourselves for a very long, long, long time.
Be empowered, speak-up, and pour your hearts out. Let us share our ideas how we expect ICT Laws to be ensure justice in the e-space. Just remember that it is only a wish list and we shall ask them ALL to check if your wishes are catered for in the proposed Bill.
Tell us what your wish for a truly digitally connected Kenya is. Nothing is impossible-only
http://www.chrisreevehomepage.com/nothing-is-impossible.html
Though diverse, KICTAnet members collectively invested tremendously to this process and it would be a shame to let all go to waste (Alice thanks for this "park" space)
We have very limited time to hold government, the Attorney General and all the Hon. ICT Law makers accountable, i.e. the people in authority and those in-waiting (or between) authority.
Go on and start wishing right away......
Notes:
1. Walubengo (the moderator and I) will note your properly legalised digital Kenya wishes.
2. A KICTAnet rep will present wishes to PS at the upcoming event.
3. You can send on-or-off list to either, both of us
4. If you remain silent then you are also part of the problem, offer a solution.
DISCLAIMER My consumer involvement is different from this activity thus I shall be neutral and alert all when I am wearing that hat.(telcos and ISPs people we are "buddies" on this one huh;-)
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Thanks Walu and Alex for Prodding us to take initiative, i have had a look at the bill, in as much as it is broad i want to beleive its time it was taken forward, given that the ICT environment is dynamic it may as well be rendered obsolete before it is passed if the long wait continues, my only concern is are the people who are going to pass it (Hon Members) into law conversant with ICT's? or will it just be passed kama kawaida, bwana Moderator kictanet should facilitate some sensitization program for the waheshimiwas before they pass the bill before it is Mutilated, Bwana PS what is your take on this? On 7/9/07, John Walubengo <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dear Listers,
I do appreciate u must be fatigued by the discussions on ICT bill because we have gone over and over it a thousand times. But here is how I propose we do it since we only have this week to review and am sure most of u have not reviewed the bill document ;-).
The document has sevaral main components as listed below (not in any priority).
1. Issues of the Regulator (setup, operations, board appointments, etc) 2. Telecoms & Radio (setup, operations, licensing,etc) 3. Postal Services (setup, operations, licensing,etc) 4. Information Technology Sevices (setup, operations, licensing,etc) 5. Broadcast and Media (setup, operations, licensing,etc) 6. Universal Service Fund (setup, operations)
So, the wish list Alex was asking for is basically u saying what u would like to see taken care of under the above topics (we shall find out for u if it is catered for in bill on not). Tell us also what u would NOT like to see as well. I hope that should be a lot more simpler, plse start shooting (typing) your wishes in any order...
As an example, my 1st wish is on the Regulator, how I wish the Director General could be nominated by the President but vetted and appointed by Parliament. More like the format used to arrive at the the Directors of KACC, Kenya Anti Corruption Commission...(that was easy, right?, start hitting your keyboard now and not tomorrow)
walu.
--- Alex Gakuru <alex.gakuru@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dear All,
Today is Saba Saba day - a good day to liberate ICT Law and reclaim our digital future. The greatest liberation you could give every Kenyan today is a compact ICT Law!
I usually complain about mobile operators, but today it's only in the "mobile blame" aspects. I would like to elaborate courtesy does not permit...remember we are online here...and I have to be courteous http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1855.txt
But unfortunately, migratory blame does not address unsolved needs of the abandoned plains, terrain, flora and fauna and our baby ICT ideas risk forever being bottled inside of us.
Our Wish List is still very necessary; at the very least, to strengthen "inclusion" principle. Remember also that it is non-committal, and no body will you or get offended by an innocent wish list from KICTAnet? KICTAneters who say all sorts of things?
But seriously, this is a very import moment in the history of our country and if we get the *wrong* ICT law sailing through parliament while watching helplessly, we shall do so much irreparable damage to ourselves for a very long, long, long time.
Be empowered, speak-up, and pour your hearts out. Let us share our ideas how we expect ICT Laws to be ensure justice in the e-space. Just remember that it is only a wish list and we shall ask them ALL to check if your wishes are catered for in the proposed Bill.
Tell us what your wish for a truly digitally connected Kenya is. Nothing is impossible-only
http://www.chrisreevehomepage.com/nothing-is-impossible.html
Though diverse, KICTAnet members collectively invested tremendously to this process and it would be a shame to let all go to waste (Alice thanks for this "park" space)
We have very limited time to hold government, the Attorney General and all the Hon. ICT Law makers accountable, i.e. the people in authority and those in-waiting (or between) authority.
Go on and start wishing right away......
Notes:
1. Walubengo (the moderator and I) will note your properly legalised digital Kenya wishes.
2. A KICTAnet rep will present wishes to PS at the upcoming event.
3. You can send on-or-off list to either, both of us
4. If you remain silent then you are also part of the problem, offer a solution.
DISCLAIMER My consumer involvement is different from this activity thus I shall be neutral and alert all when I am wearing that hat.(telcos and ISPs people we are "buddies" on this one huh;-)
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Alex,could pls give us a guideline or better post the ICT(to be law) to enable us make claused wishes? Kind Regards, On 7/7/07, Alex Gakuru <alex.gakuru@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dear All,
Today is Saba Saba day - a good day to liberate ICT Law and reclaim our digital future. The greatest liberation you could give every Kenyan today is a compact ICT Law!
I usually complain about mobile operators, but today it's only in the "mobile blame" aspects. I would like to elaborate courtesy does not permit...remember we are online here...and I have to be courteous http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1855.txt
But unfortunately, migratory blame does not address unsolved needs of the abandoned plains, terrain, flora and fauna and our baby ICT ideas risk forever being bottled inside of us.
Our Wish List is still very necessary; at the very least, to strengthen "inclusion" principle. Remember also that it is non-committal, and no body will you or get offended by an innocent wish list from KICTAnet? KICTAneters who say all sorts of things?
But seriously, this is a very import moment in the history of our country and if we get the *wrong* ICT law sailing through parliament while watching helplessly, we shall do so much irreparable damage to ourselves for a very long, long, long time.
Be empowered, speak-up, and pour your hearts out. Let us share our ideas how we expect ICT Laws to be ensure justice in the e-space. Just remember that it is only a wish list and we shall ask them ALL to check if your wishes are catered for in the proposed Bill.
Tell us what your wish for a truly digitally connected Kenya is. Nothing is impossible-only http://www.chrisreevehomepage.com/nothing-is-impossible.html
Though diverse, KICTAnet members collectively invested tremendously to this process and it would be a shame to let all go to waste (Alice thanks for this "park" space)
We have very limited time to hold government, the Attorney General and all the Hon. ICT Law makers accountable, i.e. the people in authority and those in-waiting (or between) authority.
Go on and start wishing right away......
Notes:
1. Walubengo (the moderator and I) will note your properly legalised digital Kenya wishes.
2. A KICTAnet rep will present wishes to PS at the upcoming event.
3. You can send on-or-off list to either, both of us
4. If you remain silent then you are also part of the problem, offer a solution.
DISCLAIMER My consumer involvement is different from this activity thus I shall be neutral and alert all when I am wearing that hat.(telcos and ISPs people we are "buddies" on this one huh;-)
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Dear Judy, In the absence of the Kenya Gazette Notice No: 2431 (Vol CVIII No.24 Dated 31 march March, 2006) from the ministry website, I've scanned my hard copy and attached. On Monday, 04 June 2007, Rebecca posted the ICT Bill presently before parliament. Also attached is the 2006 draft ICT Bill we wrote about <http://www.uni-potsdam.de/db/elogo/ifgcc/index.php?option= com_content&task=view&id=19557&Itemid=93&lang=en_GB> Comparing pre- and after AG drafts informs well on discrepancies (and any inconsistencies regarding ICT Policy implementation) In case this becomes an overload, just tell us your wishes and we shall check if they are taken care of else we ask for them next Monday. Regards, Alex --- Judy Okite <judyokite@gmail.com> wrote:
Alex,could pls give us a guideline or better post the ICT(to be law) to enable us make claused wishes? Kind Regards,
Dear All,
Today is Saba Saba day - a good day to liberate ICT Law and reclaim our digital future. The greatest liberation you could give every Kenyan today is a compact ICT Law!
I usually complain about mobile operators, but today it's only in the "mobile blame" aspects. I would
On 7/7/07, Alex Gakuru <alex.gakuru@yahoo.com> wrote: like
to elaborate courtesy does not permit...remember we are online here...and I have to be courteous http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1855.txt
But unfortunately, migratory blame does not address unsolved needs of the abandoned plains, terrain, flora and fauna and our baby ICT ideas risk forever being bottled inside of us.
Our Wish List is still very necessary; at the very least, to strengthen "inclusion" principle. Remember also that it is non-committal, and no body will you or get offended by an innocent wish list from KICTAnet? KICTAneters who say all sorts of things?
But seriously, this is a very import moment in the history of our country and if we get the *wrong* ICT law sailing through parliament while watching helplessly, we shall do so much irreparable damage to ourselves for a very long, long, long time.
Be empowered, speak-up, and pour your hearts out. Let us share our ideas how we expect ICT Laws to be ensure justice in the e-space. Just remember that it is only a wish list and we shall ask them ALL to check if your wishes are catered for in the proposed Bill.
Tell us what your wish for a truly digitally connected Kenya is. Nothing is impossible-only
http://www.chrisreevehomepage.com/nothing-is-impossible.html
Though diverse, KICTAnet members collectively
tremendously to this process and it would be a shame to let all go to waste (Alice thanks for this "park" space)
We have very limited time to hold government, the Attorney General and all the Hon. ICT Law makers accountable, i.e. the people in authority and
in-waiting (or between) authority.
Go on and start wishing right away......
Notes:
1. Walubengo (the moderator and I) will note your properly legalised digital Kenya wishes.
2. A KICTAnet rep will present wishes to PS at the upcoming event.
3. You can send on-or-off list to either, both of us
4. If you remain silent then you are also part of
invested those the
problem, offer a solution.
DISCLAIMER My consumer involvement is different from this activity thus I shall be neutral and alert all when I am wearing that hat.(telcos and ISPs people we are "buddies" on this one huh;-)
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Thnx Alex, 2.6 UNIVERSAL ACCESS c) Creating incentives for service providers to deploy services in rural and under-served areas; I wish it would read like this: Provide incentives, such as tax relief and reduced regulatory fees for operators and service providers engaged in public access projects, including rollout and provision of ICT services in underserved areas Kind Regards, Alex Gakuru <alex.gakuru@yahoo.com> wrote: Dear Judy, In the absence of the Kenya Gazette Notice No: 2431 (Vol CVIII No.24 Dated 31 march March, 2006) from the ministry website, I've scanned my hard copy and attached. On Monday, 04 June 2007, Rebecca posted the ICT Bill presently before parliament. Also attached is the 2006 draft ICT Bill we wrote about com_content&task=view&id=19557&Itemid=93〈=en_GB> Comparing pre- and after AG drafts informs well on discrepancies (and any inconsistencies regarding ICT Policy implementation) In case this becomes an overload, just tell us your wishes and we shall check if they are taken care of else we ask for them next Monday. Regards, Alex --- Judy Okite wrote:
Alex,could pls give us a guideline or better post the ICT(to be law) to enable us make claused wishes? Kind Regards,
Dear All,
Today is Saba Saba day - a good day to liberate ICT Law and reclaim our digital future. The greatest liberation you could give every Kenyan today is a compact ICT Law!
I usually complain about mobile operators, but today it's only in the "mobile blame" aspects. I would
On 7/7/07, Alex Gakuru wrote: like
to elaborate courtesy does not permit...remember we are online here...and I have to be courteous http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1855.txt
But unfortunately, migratory blame does not address unsolved needs of the abandoned plains, terrain, flora and fauna and our baby ICT ideas risk forever being bottled inside of us.
Our Wish List is still very necessary; at the very least, to strengthen "inclusion" principle. Remember also that it is non-committal, and no body will you or get offended by an innocent wish list from KICTAnet? KICTAneters who say all sorts of things?
But seriously, this is a very import moment in the history of our country and if we get the *wrong* ICT law sailing through parliament while watching helplessly, we shall do so much irreparable damage to ourselves for a very long, long, long time.
Be empowered, speak-up, and pour your hearts out. Let us share our ideas how we expect ICT Laws to be ensure justice in the e-space. Just remember that it is only a wish list and we shall ask them ALL to check if your wishes are catered for in the proposed Bill.
Tell us what your wish for a truly digitally connected Kenya is. Nothing is impossible-only
http://www.chrisreevehomepage.com/nothing-is-impossible.html
Though diverse, KICTAnet members collectively
tremendously to this process and it would be a shame to let all go to waste (Alice thanks for this "park" space)
We have very limited time to hold government, the Attorney General and all the Hon. ICT Law makers accountable, i.e. the people in authority and
in-waiting (or between) authority.
Go on and start wishing right away......
Notes:
1. Walubengo (the moderator and I) will note your properly legalised digital Kenya wishes.
2. A KICTAnet rep will present wishes to PS at the upcoming event.
3. You can send on-or-off list to either, both of us
4. If you remain silent then you are also part of
invested those the
problem, offer a solution.
DISCLAIMER My consumer involvement is different from this activity thus I shall be neutral and alert all when I am wearing that hat.(telcos and ISPs people we are "buddies" on this one huh;-)
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You're welcome Judy, Recent illegitimate media houses visits cause fears Whereas they now reinforced doors, windows, and gates will small ISPs ( now included) afford this kind of private anti-raid security? I have no problems with internationally acceptable emergencies and life-saving situations, BUT "in the interest of public safety and tranquility" Who determines what tranquility/when "tranquilizers" are not working, and does safety mean censoring some e-content as well? Is it usual for separate minister be specifically mentioned and wouldn't "Appropriate Emergency Response" authority suffice. Unlike me, Kanja and all ISPs are you comfortable? ] Clause 129 (1) (pp. 1261) states: - "On the declaration of any public emergency or in the interest of public safety and tranquility, the Minister for the time being responsible for internal security may, by order in writing direct- (a) any officer duly authorised in that behalf to take temporary possession of any telecommunication apparatus or any radio communication station or apparatus within Kenya, and (b) (c) (d) (e) (i) & (ii) --- judy okite <judyokite@yahoo.com> wrote:
Thnx Alex, 2.6 UNIVERSAL ACCESS c) Creating incentives for service providers to deploy services in rural and under-served areas;
I wish it would read like this:
Provide incentives, such as tax relief and reduced regulatory fees for operators and service providers engaged in public access projects, including rollout and provision of ICT services in underserved areas
Kind Regards,
Alex Gakuru <alex.gakuru@yahoo.com> wrote: Dear Judy,
In the absence of the Kenya Gazette Notice No: 2431 (Vol CVIII No.24 Dated 31 march March, 2006) from the ministry website, I've scanned my hard copy and attached.
On Monday, 04 June 2007, Rebecca posted the ICT Bill presently before parliament.
Also attached is the 2006 draft ICT Bill we wrote about
com_content&task=view&id=19557&Itemid=93〈=en_GB>
Comparing pre- and after AG drafts informs well on discrepancies (and any inconsistencies regarding ICT Policy implementation)
In case this becomes an overload, just tell us your wishes and we shall check if they are taken care of else we ask for them next Monday.
Regards,
Alex
--- Judy Okite wrote:
Alex,could pls give us a guideline or better post the ICT(to be law) to enable us make claused wishes? Kind Regards,
Dear All,
Today is Saba Saba day - a good day to liberate ICT Law and reclaim our digital future. The greatest liberation you could give every Kenyan today is a compact ICT Law!
I usually complain about mobile operators, but today it's only in the "mobile blame" aspects. I would
to elaborate courtesy does not permit...remember we are online here...and I have to be courteous http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1855.txt
But unfortunately, migratory blame does not address unsolved needs of the abandoned plains, terrain, flora and fauna and our baby ICT ideas risk forever being bottled inside of us.
Our Wish List is still very necessary; at the very least, to strengthen "inclusion" principle. Remember also that it is non-committal, and no body will you or get offended by an innocent wish list from KICTAnet? KICTAneters who say all sorts of things?
But seriously, this is a very import moment in
On 7/7/07, Alex Gakuru wrote: like the
history of our country and if we get the *wrong* ICT law sailing through parliament while watching helplessly, we shall do so much irreparable damage to ourselves for a very long, long, long time.
Be empowered, speak-up, and pour your hearts out. Let us share our ideas how we expect ICT Laws to be ensure justice in the e-space. Just remember that it is only a wish list and we shall ask them ALL to check if your wishes are catered for in the proposed Bill.
Tell us what your wish for a truly digitally connected Kenya is. Nothing is impossible-only
http://www.chrisreevehomepage.com/nothing-is-impossible.html
Though diverse, KICTAnet members collectively
tremendously to this process and it would be a shame to let all go to waste (Alice thanks for this "park" space)
We have very limited time to hold government,
Attorney General and all the Hon. ICT Law makers accountable, i.e. the people in authority and
in-waiting (or between) authority.
Go on and start wishing right away......
Notes:
1. Walubengo (the moderator and I) will note your properly legalised digital Kenya wishes.
2. A KICTAnet rep will present wishes to PS at
upcoming event.
3. You can send on-or-off list to either, both of us
4. If you remain silent then you are also part of
invested the those the the
problem, offer a solution.
DISCLAIMER My consumer involvement is different from this activity thus I shall be neutral and alert all when I am wearing that hat.(telcos and ISPs people we are "buddies" on this one huh;-)
____________________________________________________________________________________
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Oops!, Just realised day 3 should be closing down in Nairobi and I intended to share some more stuff from the archive. Below were some of the discussions on the IT component. Hope Alex u will take note and pick what is relevant for presentation in the upcoming meeting. walu. ~~~~~begins~~~~ In the information technology, these are some of the issues that the members felt need attention with lack of clearance or generalisation standing out. Clause 47: Licence for Country Code Top-Level Domain Registrars and Registries Comment by Walu on this clause(47): This clause seems to move the control and administration of the .KE domain. Currently, the .KE domain is being managed by some PPP (Public Private Partnership) and it remains to be seen if moving this under Govt Control would be value-adding.It would be nice to hear experiences on how the country domain is managed outside Kenya. Ken Chelimo responded with: The management of the domain name should not be put under the government but instead have a representative of ICANN do it. I would suggest KENIC. This will create flexibility and having internet governance in the country put in the hands of private stakeholders. On the same matter, Harris Macharia said: Licence for Country Code Top-Level Domain Registrars and Registries: There should be a clause outlawing Cyber-squatting. Those registering domains on speculative basis should be discouraged. Clause 60. IT: Secure Electronic Record + Digital Certificates Querry by Okite on clause 60: should there be a recomendation for a,financial institution,that meets particular qualifications take charge of e-business transactions? Walu responded/suggested,with: Actually this is an interesting query. In an eCommerce environment (current practice) one would need to make provision for the following three players. -the Controller of (digital) Certificate Service Providers(Authorities) -the (digital) Certificate Service Providers -the (digital) Certificate Subscribers There seems to be just a mention and not a detailed provision for the Institution and expected behaviour of Certificate Authorities, Service Providers and Subscribers. Clause 62. Tampering with Computer Source Documents Okite wondered: how about data, software(Pirated/copyrighted )? should it be added and what should be the penalty? Walu responded with: Software piracy is currently handled by the Judiciary under the Copyright Laws that were largely designed to cater for physical items e.g Books, Music Tapes, Video Tapes, etc. The lawyers (Innovative?) may have suggestions on how to improve/fashion this Copyright Law for the IT environment. Academia:/IT elearning cirriculumn standards; Okite suggested: that KIE should be able to set/regulate this,even as far localising the content. Walu suggested/responded: KIE (Kenya Institute of Education) seems to be focused on Primary and secondary level of education. And indeed they have managed to come up with a curriculum for secondary schools though it is scarcely examined due to the fact that few (rich) schools can afford to equip and teach the course. The problem we have in Kenya is the post-high school , IT professional qualification/regulation. Wheareas, the Lawyers, the Engineers, the Doctors, the Accountants, have a fairly rigorous and strict mechanism for establishing who is and who is NOT an ICT expert/practitioner, in Kenya just about anyone and everyone can claim to be an expert and start offering ICT Consultancy services. I really do not know whether strict regulation would be good or bad for the industry. This is because quite some ICT innovations have been delivered by those who did not formally complete certain academic/professional requirements (Bill Gates ofcourse being the best/worst? example) and the problem with clamping down on ICT Practitioners who lack certain formal qualifications maybe detrimental. On the other hand, being too liberal means that quite a number of customers/consumers stand to lose (be conned) before they finally get to be serviced by the correct or qualified professional. Various regulatory mechanism floated included strengthening (in law) the role of the Computer Society of Kenya, expanding the Mandate of KASNEB the reputable Kenyan Accounting Examination Body to include ICT Exams, etc. Myra had this to say on this matter: Even if KIE need to plan for computer training, the bill should set the directives. Also KIE prepare syllabus for secondary and primary school. At this point, we need to build those already in the workforce and higher education institutions. Clauses 56,57 .etc.LAW: Okite queried or needed a clearance on the mention of Where the law/where any law?? does it mean, present in the Law of Kenya or some LAW, yet, to be put in-place? Clause 49. Retention of Electronic Records Harris queried : When and under what circumstances should the government complel an organisation to disclose data it knows about its clients e.g the log in IP address my search patterns and my chain of used passwords. Also what data should the companies keep about me especially if am using their services? Clause 50. Retention of information in original form Harris queried: Are there penalties for people who alter original electronic documents for their own reasons so as to misrepresent facts or use the same in fradulent activities. Clause 55. Secure Electronic Record Query from Kamuri: If I as a user of a website went and submitted my credit card information to a company and then the staff or employees in the company stole the credit card details and used the same for fraud then should the company be liable to pay back for the fradulent claims.Who is liable and to what extent should the company be liable. clause 58 Protected Systems Contentious issue that arose on the chat,by Nnenna:Protection of government systems and networks are better guaranteed by using FOSS? Whats your take? Okite responded by saying: at this point we are working with what we would like to see happen, which software to be used would come in ,at the implementation level. But I would like to do without clause 66,and add it under clause 58 and make it (3) Clause 61. Electronic Kenya Gazette Comment: this is an issue that came up in the chat, whether the Kenya gazette should be localised, eg Rules, regulations ... etc that go on the electronic Gazette are better off accompanied by a translation... Local languages..,whats ur take? On the same matter, Kenya gazette, Myra had this query: Electronic Kenya GazetteIs is there a section that establishes and recognises the Electronic Kenya Gazette? Another query by Okite on the Kenya gazette: Does this law exist? If it does, Can anyone who knows where it is, lead/direct us there and we see how we can fit in localisation? Clause 63. Hacking into Computer system it was felt the definition of a hacker was inappropriate by Ikua having this comment: I think the definition given here is inapproppriate. Any self respecting programmer will be offended to see the term hacker referring to a cracker. The guy who gains unauthorised access into a network may be considered a hacker. But a hacker can also be a programmer, with nothing but good intentions. So in my view this definition should not be used to mean a hacker, rather a cracker, or some other term. Also, where does this leave ethical hacking? Okite: In computer programming, a hacker is a programmer who hacks or reaches a goal by employing a series of modifications to exploit or extend existing code or resources, In computer security, a hacker is a person who specializes in work with the security mechanisms for computer and network systems, deepending on who is being addressed,it brings out a different definition: I would like to change it to unauthorised access to computer system As a result (of the above) Okite suggested a re-write of the clause as follows: 63 (1) Whoever with the intent to cause or knowing that he is likely to cause loss or damage to the public or any person destroys or deletes or alters any information in a computer resource or diminishes its value or utility or affects it injuriously by any means, commits an offense. (2) A person who accesses a system without authorization commits an offence and shall be liable on conviction to a fine not exceeding three hundred thousand shillings or imprisonment for a term not exceeding three years, or to both. Okite felt that the draft needed an added clause with the following as a sample: Appointment of experts I think this is crucial and it is nowhere in our draft, sample of the phrase: 1) The Commission may appoint as many experts as may be necessary,including experts from other countries, with a view to assisting the Commision in the performance of its functions and to achieve this vision. 2) The terms, conditions, remuneration and allowances applicable in respect of any expert by virtue of his or her appointment in terms of subsection (1), and the work to be performed or services to be rendered by virtue of such appointment, shall be determined in a written agreement entered into for that purpose between the Commission and the expert concerned. ~~~ends~~~ --- judy okite <judyokite@yahoo.com> wrote:
Thnx Alex, 2.6 UNIVERSAL ACCESS c) Creating incentives for service providers to deploy services in rural and under-served areas;
I wish it would read like this:
Provide incentives, such as tax relief and reduced regulatory fees for operators and service providers engaged in public access projects, including rollout and provision of ICT services in underserved areas
Kind Regards,
Alex Gakuru <alex.gakuru@yahoo.com> wrote: Dear Judy,
In the absence of the Kenya Gazette Notice No: 2431 (Vol CVIII No.24 Dated 31 march March, 2006) from the ministry website, I've scanned my hard copy and attached.
On Monday, 04 June 2007, Rebecca posted the ICT Bill presently before parliament.
Also attached is the 2006 draft ICT Bill we wrote about com_content&task=view&id=19557&Itemid=93〈=en_GB>
Comparing pre- and after AG drafts informs well on discrepancies (and any inconsistencies regarding ICT Policy implementation)
In case this becomes an overload, just tell us your wishes and we shall check if they are taken care of else we ask for them next Monday.
Regards,
Alex
--- Judy Okite wrote:
Alex,could pls give us a guideline or better post the ICT(to be law) to enable us make claused wishes? Kind Regards,
Dear All,
Today is Saba Saba day - a good day to liberate ICT Law and reclaim our digital future. The greatest liberation you could give every Kenyan today is a compact ICT Law!
I usually complain about mobile operators, but today it's only in the "mobile blame" aspects. I would
On 7/7/07, Alex Gakuru wrote: like
to elaborate courtesy does not permit...remember we are online here...and I have to be courteous http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1855.txt
But unfortunately, migratory blame does not address unsolved needs of the abandoned plains, terrain, flora and fauna and our baby ICT ideas risk forever being bottled inside of us.
Our Wish List is still very necessary; at the very least, to strengthen "inclusion" principle. Remember also that it is non-committal, and no body will you or get offended by an innocent wish list from KICTAnet? KICTAneters who say all sorts of things?
But seriously, this is a very import moment in the history of our country and if we get the *wrong* ICT law sailing through parliament while watching helplessly, we shall do so much irreparable damage to ourselves for a very long, long, long time.
Be empowered, speak-up, and pour your hearts out. Let us share our ideas how we expect ICT Laws to be ensure justice in the e-space. Just remember that it is only a wish list and we shall ask them ALL to check if your wishes are catered for in the proposed Bill.
Tell us what your wish for a truly digitally connected Kenya is. Nothing is impossible-only
http://www.chrisreevehomepage.com/nothing-is-impossible.html
Though diverse, KICTAnet members collectively
tremendously to this process and it would be a shame to let all go to waste (Alice thanks for this "park" space)
We have very limited time to hold government, the Attorney General and all the Hon. ICT Law makers accountable, i.e. the people in authority and
in-waiting (or between) authority.
Go on and start wishing right away......
Notes:
1. Walubengo (the moderator and I) will note your properly legalised digital Kenya wishes.
2. A KICTAnet rep will present wishes to PS at the upcoming event.
3. You can send on-or-off list to either, both of us
4. If you remain silent then you are also part of
invested those the
problem, offer a solution.
DISCLAIMER My consumer involvement is different from this activity thus I shall be neutral and alert all when I am wearing that hat.(telcos and ISPs people we are "buddies" on this one huh;-)
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Alex,could pls give us a guideline or better post the ICT(to be law) to enable us make claused wishes? Kind Regards, On 7/7/07, Alex Gakuru <alex.gakuru@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dear All,
Today is Saba Saba day - a good day to liberate ICT Law and reclaim our digital future. The greatest liberation you could give every Kenyan today is a compact ICT Law!
I usually complain about mobile operators, but today it's only in the "mobile blame" aspects. I would like to elaborate courtesy does not permit...remember we are online here...and I have to be courteous http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1855.txt
But unfortunately, migratory blame does not address unsolved needs of the abandoned plains, terrain, flora and fauna and our baby ICT ideas risk forever being bottled inside of us.
Our Wish List is still very necessary; at the very least, to strengthen "inclusion" principle. Remember also that it is non-committal, and no body will you or get offended by an innocent wish list from KICTAnet? KICTAneters who say all sorts of things?
But seriously, this is a very import moment in the history of our country and if we get the *wrong* ICT law sailing through parliament while watching helplessly, we shall do so much irreparable damage to ourselves for a very long, long, long time.
Be empowered, speak-up, and pour your hearts out. Let us share our ideas how we expect ICT Laws to be ensure justice in the e-space. Just remember that it is only a wish list and we shall ask them ALL to check if your wishes are catered for in the proposed Bill.
Tell us what your wish for a truly digitally connected Kenya is. Nothing is impossible-only http://www.chrisreevehomepage.com/nothing-is-impossible.html
Though diverse, KICTAnet members collectively invested tremendously to this process and it would be a shame to let all go to waste (Alice thanks for this "park" space)
We have very limited time to hold government, the Attorney General and all the Hon. ICT Law makers accountable, i.e. the people in authority and those in-waiting (or between) authority.
Go on and start wishing right away......
Notes:
1. Walubengo (the moderator and I) will note your properly legalised digital Kenya wishes.
2. A KICTAnet rep will present wishes to PS at the upcoming event.
3. You can send on-or-off list to either, both of us
4. If you remain silent then you are also part of the problem, offer a solution.
DISCLAIMER My consumer involvement is different from this activity thus I shall be neutral and alert all when I am wearing that hat.(telcos and ISPs people we are "buddies" on this one huh;-)
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Dear All, The Kenya Communications (Amendment) Bill (to be ammended to amended as "Information and Communication Bill") went through the first reading on Wednesday 4th July 2007 (Media gave it a blackout). As I promised, we shall have one last meeting to incorporate things we may have left out in our earlier engagements. We shall therefore have a one day meeting at Safari Park Hotel on 16th July 2007 to get stakeholder and consumer reactions. I have also invited members of the Energy and Communications Committee of Parliament. Please confirm your attendance via info@information.go.ke. Your presence will be highly appreciated. Wishing you a great day. Regards Bitange Ndemo. ---------------------------------------------- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by Jambo MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --------------------------------------------- "easy access to the world"
Thnx Bwana PS, but how does it work,when the link throws a delivery failure notification? Kind Regards, On 7/6/07, bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
Dear All, The Kenya Communications (Amendment) Bill (to be ammended to amended as "Information and Communication Bill") went through the first reading on Wednesday 4th July 2007 (Media gave it a blackout). As I promised, we shall have one last meeting to incorporate things we may have left out in our earlier engagements. We shall therefore have a one day meeting at Safari Park Hotel on 16th July 2007 to get stakeholder and consumer reactions. I have also invited members of the Energy and Communications Committee of Parliament. Please confirm your attendance via info@information.go.ke. Your presence will be highly appreciated.
Wishing you a great day.
Regards
Bitange Ndemo.
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alice -
Barrack Otieno -
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John Walubengo -
Judy Okite -
judy okite -
Rebecca Wanjiku