promoting the ccTLDs
while its good to have a .ea, i think in the intervening period we can promote the .ke, .tz etc i have met people who think that having a .ke domain restricts you to kenya or you are not seen as "modern" enough some have .biz, .net and see it as more "global" than .ke in my opinion, if people appreciate their ccTLDs, then they will not need much convincing when the new regional ones come up.. for instance, the .tz is free yet their registration is not much, if there is no proper awareness, then we might have all the domains and still the uptake is low, yes people in the industry will understand, but we need others to on the same page, regards Alex Gakuru <alex.gakuru@yahoo.com> wrote: I had specified "Top Level Domain" Sponsorship" but you see they threw me to ccTLDs. Figured this would assist as foundation for relevant Kiswahili content. Could there be other Kiswahili speakers interested we run with it next year? Michuki Mwangi <michuki@kenic.or.ke> wrote: Did you request for a .SWA ccTLD or a .SWA TLD?. There is no open window for sponsored TLD's submission. I think this will probably open up in 2008. Regards, Alex Gakuru wrote:
After I requested to sponsor .swa for Kiswahili speaking community of interest, ICANN/IANA 18 May 2007 reply referred me to ccTLDs as follows:
---snip--- Please see the following for information on how new country code top-level domains (ccTLDs) are created:
http://www.iana.org/cctld/cctld-establishment-procedures-19mar03.htm
Best regards,
Internet Assigned Numbers Authority (IANA) ---snip---
Michuki is quite right on "The process will require intense collaboration from the community and its stakeholders to be successful."
Alex */ Michuki Mwangi /* wrote:
Bill et al,
Bill Kagai wrote: > > Michuki...I therefore see [.eac] as an aggressive business strategy > complimenting [.ke], [.tz] etc and not as competition. >
Competition is healthy, it is an instigator of creativity and innovation and i welcome such incentives. For your information, there are interested parties evaluating submissions to ICANN for a TLD for Africa i.e .africa. Hence this will make the African scene alot more interesting in my opinion.
Any addition into the Root zone outside the ccTLD category will be considered under the Sponsored/Unsponsored TLD category. There are procedures to this as evidenced in the following URL:
http://www.icann.org/tlds/new-tld-application-instructions-15aug00.htm
ICANN has published guidelines for applying for a TLD under the following URL and i would wish to invite the members to read through this document.
http://www.icann.org/tlds/application-process-03aug00.htm
> Alice...If KICTANET knows some influential people at the East Africa > Community Secretariat in Arusha, maybe they can help get things into > second gear with ICANN?? >
ICANN will not just insert a TLD in the Root zone. The process will require intense collaboration from the community and its stakeholders to be successful. The case studies for .asia and .eu are well documented on their webiste www.dotasia.com and www.doteu.com - also from the ICANN website. It will be interesting to have the community read through their experiences in order to have a deeper understanding of the issues faced in the process.
I would recommend a start of by identifying the need for the regional TLD (i think we have interest based on this threads), then convening a regional working group that is inclusive of stakeholders to drive the process to its logical conclusion.
Notably resources are critical in the process as it somewhat tends to drag on in trying to ensure inclusion of all stakeholders. More of the social engineering than the technical.
Its is however possible to achieve this and we should probably aim for the next ICANN window on TLD applications - which i think happens ever 4 years.
Regards, -- Michuki Mwangi KENIC
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Becky, I totally share your concerns...why the hullabaloo about .eac when .ke, .ug and .tz are performing miserably? (no offence Michuki, its none of your fault, just a reflection of our non-digitized society). I mean am trying to see the 'miracle' that .eac would do for us in light of the trends suffered by the individual .ke, .ug and .tz and I have not quite succeeded...plse could somebody educate me? walu. --- Rebecca Wanjiku <rebeccawanjiku@yahoo.com> wrote:
while its good to have a .ea, i think in the intervening period we can promote the .ke, .tz etc i have met people who think that having a .ke domain restricts you to kenya or you are not seen as "modern" enough some have .biz, .net and see it as more "global" than .ke
in my opinion, if people appreciate their ccTLDs, then they will not need much convincing when the new regional ones come up..
for instance, the .tz is free yet their registration is not much,
if there is no proper awareness, then we might have all the domains and still the uptake is low, yes people in the industry will understand, but we need others to on the same page, regards
Alex Gakuru <alex.gakuru@yahoo.com> wrote: I had specified "Top Level Domain" Sponsorship" but you see they threw me to ccTLDs. Figured this would assist as foundation for relevant Kiswahili content.
Could there be other Kiswahili speakers interested we run with it next year?
Michuki Mwangi <michuki@kenic.or.ke> wrote: Did you request for a .SWA ccTLD or a .SWA TLD?. There is no open window for sponsored TLD's submission. I think this will probably open up in 2008.
Regards,
Alex Gakuru wrote:
After I requested to sponsor .swa for Kiswahili speaking community of interest, ICANN/IANA 18 May 2007 reply referred me to ccTLDs as follows:
---snip--- Please see the following for information on how new country code top-level domains (ccTLDs) are created:
http://www.iana.org/cctld/cctld-establishment-procedures-19mar03.htm
Best regards,
Internet Assigned Numbers Authority (IANA) ---snip---
Michuki is quite right on "The process will require
intense collaboration
from the community and its stakeholders to be successful."
Alex */ Michuki Mwangi /* wrote:
Bill et al,
Bill Kagai wrote: > > Michuki...I therefore see [.eac] as an aggressive business strategy > complimenting [.ke], [.tz] etc and not as competition. >
Competition is healthy, it is an instigator of creativity and innovation and i welcome such incentives. For your information, there are interested parties evaluating submissions to ICANN for a TLD for Africa i.e .africa. Hence this will make the African scene alot more interesting in my opinion.
Any addition into the Root zone outside the ccTLD category will be considered under the Sponsored/Unsponsored TLD category. There are procedures to this as evidenced in the following URL:
http://www.icann.org/tlds/new-tld-application-instructions-15aug00.htm
ICANN has published guidelines for applying for a
TLD under the
following URL and i would wish to invite the
members to read through
this document.
http://www.icann.org/tlds/application-process-03aug00.htm
> Alice...If KICTANET knows some influential people
at the East Africa
> Community Secretariat in Arusha, maybe they can
help get things into
> second gear with ICANN?? >
ICANN will not just insert a TLD in the Root zone.
The process will
require intense collaboration from the community
and its stakeholders to
be successful. The case studies for .asia and .eu
are well documented on
their webiste www.dotasia.com and www.doteu.com -
also from the ICANN
website. It will be interesting to have the
community read through their
experiences in order to have a deeper understanding
of the issues faced
in the process.
I would recommend a start of by identifying the
need for the regional
TLD (i think we have interest based on this
threads), then convening a
regional working group that is inclusive of
stakeholders to drive the
process to its logical conclusion.
Notably resources are critical in the process as it
somewhat tends to
drag on in trying to ensure inclusion of all
stakeholders. More of the
social engineering than the technical.
Its is however possible to achieve this and we
should probably aim for
the next ICANN window on TLD applications - which i
think happens ever 4
years.
Regards, -- Michuki Mwangi KENIC
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Good observation Walu, guess its all due to lack of awareness, probably the focus should be in "further digitization" by educating the masses before we can think of .eac Regards On 6/21/07, John Walubengo <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
Becky,
I totally share your concerns...why the hullabaloo about .eac when .ke, .ug and .tz are performing miserably? (no offence Michuki, its none of your fault, just a reflection of our non-digitized society).
I mean am trying to see the 'miracle' that .eac would do for us in light of the trends suffered by the individual .ke, .ug and .tz and I have not quite succeeded...plse could somebody educate me?
walu.
--- Rebecca Wanjiku <rebeccawanjiku@yahoo.com> wrote:
while its good to have a .ea, i think in the intervening period we can promote the .ke, .tz etc i have met people who think that having a .ke domain restricts you to kenya or you are not seen as "modern" enough some have .biz, .net and see it as more "global" than .ke
in my opinion, if people appreciate their ccTLDs, then they will not need much convincing when the new regional ones come up..
for instance, the .tz is free yet their registration is not much,
if there is no proper awareness, then we might have all the domains and still the uptake is low, yes people in the industry will understand, but we need others to on the same page, regards
Alex Gakuru <alex.gakuru@yahoo.com> wrote: I had specified "Top Level Domain" Sponsorship" but you see they threw me to ccTLDs. Figured this would assist as foundation for relevant Kiswahili content.
Could there be other Kiswahili speakers interested we run with it next year?
Michuki Mwangi <michuki@kenic.or.ke> wrote: Did you request for a .SWA ccTLD or a .SWA TLD?. There is no open window for sponsored TLD's submission. I think this will probably open up in 2008.
Regards,
Alex Gakuru wrote:
After I requested to sponsor .swa for Kiswahili speaking community of interest, ICANN/IANA 18 May 2007 reply referred me to ccTLDs as follows:
---snip--- Please see the following for information on how new country code top-level domains (ccTLDs) are created:
http://www.iana.org/cctld/cctld-establishment-procedures-19mar03.htm
Best regards,
Internet Assigned Numbers Authority (IANA) ---snip---
Michuki is quite right on "The process will require
intense collaboration
from the community and its stakeholders to be successful."
Alex */ Michuki Mwangi /* wrote:
Bill et al,
Bill Kagai wrote: > > Michuki...I therefore see [.eac] as an aggressive business strategy > complimenting [.ke], [.tz] etc and not as competition. >
Competition is healthy, it is an instigator of creativity and innovation and i welcome such incentives. For your information, there are interested parties evaluating submissions to ICANN for a TLD for Africa i.e .africa. Hence this will make the African scene alot more interesting in my opinion.
Any addition into the Root zone outside the ccTLD category will be considered under the Sponsored/Unsponsored TLD category. There are procedures to this as evidenced in the following URL:
http://www.icann.org/tlds/new-tld-application-instructions-15aug00.htm
ICANN has published guidelines for applying for a
TLD under the
following URL and i would wish to invite the
members to read through
this document.
http://www.icann.org/tlds/application-process-03aug00.htm
> Alice...If KICTANET knows some influential people
at the East Africa
> Community Secretariat in Arusha, maybe they can
help get things into
> second gear with ICANN?? >
ICANN will not just insert a TLD in the Root zone.
The process will
require intense collaboration from the community
and its stakeholders to
be successful. The case studies for .asia and .eu
are well documented on
their webiste www.dotasia.com and www.doteu.com -
also from the ICANN
website. It will be interesting to have the
community read through their
experiences in order to have a deeper understanding
of the issues faced
in the process.
I would recommend a start of by identifying the
need for the regional
TLD (i think we have interest based on this
threads), then convening a
regional working group that is inclusive of
stakeholders to drive the
process to its logical conclusion.
Notably resources are critical in the process as it
somewhat tends to
drag on in trying to ensure inclusion of all
stakeholders. More of the
social engineering than the technical.
Its is however possible to achieve this and we
should probably aim for
the next ICANN window on TLD applications - which i
think happens ever 4
years.
Regards, -- Michuki Mwangi KENIC
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On 6/21/07, John Walubengo <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
I mean am trying to see the 'miracle' that .eac would do for us in light of the trends suffered by the individual .ke, .ug and .tz and I have not quite succeeded...plse could somebody educate me?
Am no expert by any means, but blue chips like Nation Media, EABL, KQ, etc all follow a common unwritten primacy.Their websites reside on [.com] and their email systems on [.co.ke]. My inference therefore is that this is a volumes game and [.co.ke] can only make sense to 30+ million Kenyans which is insignificant in the global economy. Promoting [.co.ke] can only get you thus far and any campaign will only result in a storm albeit in a teacup. On the other hand, [.eac] gives us an opportunity to reach a critical mass of approx 110million (2% of the world population) and then we have a real chance of the world noticing East Africa. But again, I might be wrong!!
I get your point bill, the only challenge is that East Africans haven't embraced their local domains quite well, and it would be worth looking at some of the reasons why this isn't happening, i get we lack the punch from a political perspective "the najivunia kuwa mkenya thing", otherwise i do agree with you, there is a significant market out there On 6/22/07, Bill Kagai <mediacorp.research@mediacorp.co.ke> wrote:
On 6/21/07, John Walubengo <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
I mean am trying to see the 'miracle' that .eac would do for us in light of the trends suffered by the individual .ke, .ug and .tz and I have not quite succeeded...plse could somebody educate me?
Am no expert by any means, but blue chips like Nation Media, EABL, KQ, etc all follow a common unwritten primacy.Their websites reside on [.com] and their email systems on [.co.ke].
My inference therefore is that this is a volumes game and [.co.ke] can only make sense to 30+ million Kenyans which is insignificant in the global economy. Promoting [.co.ke] can only get you thus far and any campaign will only result in a storm albeit in a teacup. On the other hand, [.eac] gives us an opportunity to reach a critical mass of approx 110million (2% of the world population) and then we have a real chance of the world noticing East Africa. But again, I might be wrong!!
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