Fwd: Open Data - Where does it sit?
I would like to shift the discussion if I may to what people can do with the data? What data is missing? how citizens are using it. What possible value additions we can have? Socrata.com is an online hosted service that enables data to be visualized to enable graphs and charts and data comparisons with ease. This visualization is what gives meaning to the data in a way that the common citizens can view it. The benefits of doing this quickly for launch and citizen access far outweigh the cost of waiting for the time it would have taken for us to develop a similar online application locally. One the same website we have published the same lists of data in their original formats. Indeed we have spoken to many software developers who have suggested that they can replicate this The data is there for anyone to replicate it on any website. What we have indicated to software developers is to take the plunge into imagining solutions that are based on have access to that data. This is where the greatest value is. The issue of local hosting has our attention and we will resolve it, not just with a local data centre, that is not the limitation, but the replication of a similar online tool to visualize the data. This campaign has to be about the benefits of open data. Knowledge, empowerment, commerce entrepreneurship, citizen participation. By crusading for, lobbying and obtaining data that was previously only in thick books, PS Dr Ndemo has broken ground for us. By launching this HE President Kibaki has demonstrated Kenya's commitment to citizen access. Once the entrepreneurs developers have a system that can replicate or even improve or add value to Socrata, or even improve on Socrata and Google's public data tools, the hosting decisions will be easy. As an implementing agency, we are committed to working with all to make this happen. There is much to be done. Thank you to those who have emailed us with specific suggestions of encouragement and improvements to this process. The journey has just began. Sent from my iPad Paul Kukubo CEO Kenya ICT Board Tweeter: @pkukubo On 13 Jul 2011, at 17:04, Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com> wrote:
This is indeed a healthy discussion which I really appreciate. However, as a layman, just as someone pointed out, what exactly is a (open) data centre? And how does it differ to what NBK, KPLC(?), Equity bank have? Where the Kenya Govt Open Data is, sets a curios question: doesn't the govt have plans to have it located locally? And if there are challenged reeling, can't it be brought to the fore, so that we may put our heads together and brainstorm? The idea of some sections of the government classifying information does not go well since the government is nopt an exclusive members club. If by what has been said, of Paul Kukubo 'sitting' on some resources, then it would be prudent to look at the matter in a sober manner and see how they can be put into good use. And, if there are no plans for Kenya to have the data centres locally based for the next three years, then why are we talking of Konza (Malili) ICT City, which would be a perfect place for piloting this DC? A lot of deliberation needs to be made, to realize the establishment of our own DC here.
My 2 cents.
On 13/07/2011, Michuki Mwangi <michuki.mwangi@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Robert,
On 7/13/11 3:31 PM, robert yawe wrote:
Hi Michuki,
Thank you for the information, please give us the following missing information.
1) An Operators license from CCK - ISP, Mobile, etc
I will follow up on the license requirements from CCK but out of curiosity what license do UNON, KRA & NBK have (http://www.tespok.co.ke/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=77&Itemid=92 <http://www.tespok.co.ke/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=77&Itemid=92>) just to get a better understanding of the entire process?
Unfortunately our agreement with our members does not permits me to disclose this information. As such, i would defer you to CCK or the members directly to get this information.
2) Fill in the Membership forms
What are the membership fees for application, monthly and annual?
Maybe i should have called them subscription forms and agreements. Fees are payable for on a monthly basis for KIXP peering services.
3) Pay Services fees based on port speed required 10/100/1000 Mbps per month
What are the charges for the various bandwidth connections?
This is an administrative question that you would have to consult the Admin office directly to inquire.
However according to information available on the TESPOK website its Kshs 30,000 for minimum entry which is 10Mbps.
5) lease a circuit from KIXP back to your Premise
Who are the available providers with nodes at KIXP and can provide the backhaul?
Currently there are Jamii, KDN, TKL, Access Kenya, Wananchi Online and Safaricom. As i mentioned earlier - KIXP is carrier neutral facility. Any provider is welcome to build infrastructure to KIXP facilities if they are not there yet.
6) Bring a Router to KIXP for connecting to other Members.
What are the minimum requirements for the router apart from just BGP capability?
In any network, the engineering team should have the skills to determine what router minimum specifications would be sufficient for the organizations peering needs and when upgrades are due etc.
Therefore our specifications are based on wh
-- Paul Kukubo Chief Executive Officer, Kenya ICT Board PO Box 27150 - 00100 Nairobi, Kenya 12th Floor, Teleposta Towers Koinange Street Tel +254 20 2089061, +254 20 2211960 Fax: +254 20 2211962 website: www.ict.go.ke local content project: www.tandaa.co.ke, www.facebook.com/tandaakenya twitter:@tandaaKENYA BPO Project: www. doitinkenya.co.ke Digital Villages Project: www.pasha.co.ke personal contacts _______________ Cell: + 254 717 180001 skype: kukubopaul googletalk: pkukubo personal blog: www.paulkukubo.co.ke personal twitter: @pkukubo ____________________ Vision: Kenya becomes a top ten global ICT hub Mission: To champion and actively enable Kenya to adopt and exploit ICT, through promotion of partnerships, investments and infrastructure growth for socio economic enrichment
Paul That clarification is very useful. Question. Now that we know most users access the net using mobile devices please let us know how soon the site will be available\optimised for mobile. I have been unable to access it since launch. Thanks Ali Hussein - Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: Paul Kukubo <pkukubo@ict.go.ke> Sender: kictanet-bounces+info=alyhussein.com@lists.kictanet.or.keDate: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 20:12:33 To: <info@alyhussein.com> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: [kictanet] Fwd: Open Data - Where does it sit? I would like to shift the discussion if I may to what people can do with the data? What data is missing? how citizens are using it. What possible value additions we can have? Socrata.com is an online hosted service that enables data to be visualized to enable graphs and charts and data comparisons with ease. This visualization is what gives meaning to the data in a way that the common citizens can view it. The benefits of doing this quickly for launch and citizen access far outweigh the cost of waiting for the time it would have taken for us to develop a similar online application locally. One the same website we have published the same lists of data in their original formats. Indeed we have spoken to many software developers who have suggested that they can replicate this The data is there for anyone to replicate it on any website. What we have indicated to software developers is to take the plunge into imagining solutions that are based on have access to that data. This is where the greatest value is. The issue of local hosting has our attention and we will resolve it, not just with a local data centre, that is not the limitation, but the replication of a similar online tool to visualize the data. This campaign has to be about the benefits of open data. Knowledge, empowerment, commerce entrepreneurship, citizen participation. By crusading for, lobbying and obtaining data that was previously only in thick books, PS Dr Ndemo has broken ground for us. By launching this HE President Kibaki has demonstrated Kenya's commitment to citizen access. Once the entrepreneurs developers have a system that can replicate or even improve or add value to Socrata, or even improve on Socrata and Google's public data tools, the hosting decisions will be easy. As an implementing agency, we are committed to working with all to make this happen. There is much to be done. Thank you to those who have emailed us with specific suggestions of encouragement and improvements to this process. The journey has just began. Sent from my iPad Paul Kukubo CEO Kenya ICT Board Tweeter: @pkukubo On 13 Jul 2011, at 17:04, Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com> wrote:
This is indeed a healthy discussion which I really appreciate. However, as a layman, just as someone pointed out, what exactly is a (open) data centre? And how does it differ to what NBK, KPLC(?), Equity bank have? Where the Kenya Govt Open Data is, sets a curios question: doesn't the govt have plans to have it located locally? And if there are challenged reeling, can't it be brought to the fore, so that we may put our heads together and brainstorm? The idea of some sections of the government classifying information does not go well since the government is nopt an exclusive members club. If by what has been said, of Paul Kukubo 'sitting' on some resources, then it would be prudent to look at the matter in a sober manner and see how they can be put into good use. And, if there are no plans for Kenya to have the data centres locally based for the next three years, then why are we talking of Konza (Malili) ICT City, which would be a perfect place for piloting this DC? A lot of deliberation needs to be made, to realize the establishment of our own DC here.
My 2 cents.
On 13/07/2011, Michuki Mwangi <michuki.mwangi@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Robert,
On 7/13/11 3:31 PM, robert yawe wrote:
Hi Michuki,
Thank you for the information, please give us the following missing information.
1) An Operators license from CCK - ISP, Mobile, etc
I will follow up on the license requirements from CCK but out of curiosity what license do UNON, KRA & NBK have (http://www.tespok.co.ke/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=77&Itemid=92 <http://www.tespok.co.ke/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=77&Itemid=92>) just to get a better understanding of the entire process?
Unfortunately our agreement with our members does not permits me to disclose this information. As such, i would defer you to CCK or the members directly to get this information.
2) Fill in the Membership forms
What are the membership fees for application, monthly and annual?
Maybe i should have called them subscription forms and agreements. Fees are payable for on a monthly basis for KIXP peering services.
3) Pay Services fees based on port speed required 10/100/1000 Mbps per month
What are the charges for the various bandwidth connections?
This is an administrative question that you would have to consult the Admin office directly to inquire.
However according to information available on the TESPOK website its Kshs 30,000 for minimum entry which is 10Mbps.
5) lease a circuit from KIXP back to your Premise
Who are the available providers with nodes at KIXP and can provide the backhaul?
Currently there are Jamii, KDN, TKL, Access Kenya, Wananchi Online and Safaricom. As i mentioned earlier - KIXP is carrier neutral facility. Any provider is welcome to build infrastructure to KIXP facilities if they are not there yet.
6) Bring a Router to KIXP for connecting to other Members.
What are the minimum requirements for the router apart from just BGP capability?
In any network, the engineering team should have the skills to determine what router minimum specifications would be sufficient for the organizations peering needs and when upgrades are due etc.
Therefore our specifications are based on wh
-- Paul Kukubo Chief Executive Officer, Kenya ICT Board PO Box 27150 - 00100 Nairobi, Kenya 12th Floor, Teleposta Towers Koinange Street Tel +254 20 2089061, +254 20 2211960 Fax: +254 20 2211962 website: www.ict.go.ke local content project: www.tandaa.co.ke, www.facebook.com/tandaakenya twitter:@tandaaKENYA BPO Project: www. doitinkenya.co.ke Digital Villages Project: www.pasha.co.ke personal contacts _______________ Cell: + 254 717 180001 skype: kukubopaul googletalk: pkukubo personal blog: www.paulkukubo.co.ke personal twitter: @pkukubo ____________________ Vision: Kenya becomes a top ten global ICT hub Mission: To champion and actively enable Kenya to adopt and exploit ICT, through promotion of partnerships, investments and infrastructure growth for socio economic enrichment _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/info%40alyhussein.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
Dear Paul, Thank you for the response. Kindly find some comments inline for some further discussion. :-) On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 8:12 PM, Paul Kukubo <pkukubo@ict.go.ke> wrote:
I would like to shift the discussion if I may to what people can do with the data? What data is missing? how citizens are using it. What possible value additions we can have?
I hope you've added my request for the debt datasets.
Socrata.com is an online hosted service that enables data to be visualized to enable graphs and charts and data comparisons with ease. This visualization is what gives meaning to the data in a way that the common citizens can view it. The benefits of doing this quickly for launch and citizen access far outweigh the cost of waiting for the time it would have taken for us to develop a similar online application locally. One the same website we have published the same lists of data in their original formats.
Indeed we have spoken to many software developers who have suggested that they can replicate this The data is there for anyone to replicate it on any website. What we have indicated to software developers is to take the plunge into imagining solutions that are based on have access to that data. This is where the greatest value is.
The issue of local hosting has our attention and we will resolve it, not just with a local data centre, that is not the limitation, but the replication of a similar online tool to visualize the data.
This campaign has to be about the benefits of open data. Knowledge, empowerment, commerce entrepreneurship, citizen participation. By crusading for, lobbying and obtaining data that was previously only in thick books, PS Dr Ndemo has broken ground for us. By launching this HE President Kibaki has demonstrated Kenya's commitment to citizen access.
Once the entrepreneurs developers have a system that can replicate or even improve or add value to Socrata, or even improve on Socrata and Google's public data tools, the hosting decisions will be easy. As an implementing agency, we are committed to working with all to make this happen. There is much to be done.
This is the whole problem right here with a wrong approach by developing countries governments. Please stop burying your heads in the sand.. How can Kenyan developers or companies compare developments level to match that of Socrata ( Most likely VC funded, development investments probably running into millions of dollars ) or Google ( a multi-million dollar global industry leader on its own ). How are you expecting kenyan developers/companies to put literally millions of shillings into a system over night that there is no base foundation to build upon? The VC system works in developed countries, it will not work here in the technology sector, that is why there is not much happening in the software development sectors. It is imperative for the Govt to be the critical catalyst in early stages of such projects and also provide the financial rewards for creativity. When is the Govt going to announce a developer challenge for the creation and hosting of the replacement of the Socrata system with our own definitions of requirements and rollout for local companies to participate in the creation of the ultimate core system? Let this be a beginning of what the future of Kenya holds for local development, which will compliment the Open Data Initiative.
I still think that we are still seeing the trees and not the forest. In the larger scheme of things the fact that the data is not hosted here and running on kenyan infrastructure and systems *RIGHT NOW* is not an issue. True, at some point it would be nice if it did, but I don't think in the light of developments this is an urgently pressing requirement. The important thing is that the data is being availed. To spur innovation and creativity I would encourage the ICT board to put in place some sort of competition to encourage creative and innovative use of the data itself. This is what we need *right now*. It doesn't require infrastructure of capital investment or anything along those lines. It just requires innovation, focus and a laptop. Is within the reach of literally millions of Kenyans and not a few dozen. To borrow from the Bible before attending to logs in eyes, let us deal with specks. I would suggest some sort of competition with prizes that encourage developers to come up with innovative ways to use the OpenData content - mashups, visualization, models, maps etc in various sectors - Health - Government - Education - Finance - etc Let developers run wild with ideas and in a couple of months award the best and add an Applications section to the OpenData website where shortlisted applications and eventual winners can have their apps hosted. This is what Kenya needs right now. Breaking our necks to host the data locally right now in the larger scheme of things is hardly a priority. Suppose hypothetically speaking we did this by next week. So what? What is the point of hosting it locally and nothing is done with the data? To prove a point? Good people, let us solve immediate priorities first. On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 10:47 PM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Paul, Thank you for the response.
Kindly find some comments inline for some further discussion. :-)
On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 8:12 PM, Paul Kukubo <pkukubo@ict.go.ke> wrote:
I would like to shift the discussion if I may to what people can do with the data? What data is missing? how citizens are using it. What possible value additions we can have?
I hope you've added my request for the debt datasets.
Socrata.com is an online hosted service that enables data to be visualized to enable graphs and charts and data comparisons with ease. This visualization is what gives meaning to the data in a way that the common citizens can view it. The benefits of doing this quickly for launch and citizen access far outweigh the cost of waiting for the time it would have taken for us to develop a similar online application locally. One the same website we have published the same lists of data in their original formats.
Indeed we have spoken to many software developers who have suggested that they can replicate this The data is there for anyone to replicate it on any website. What we have indicated to software developers is to take the plunge into imagining solutions that are based on have access to that data. This is where the greatest value is.
The issue of local hosting has our attention and we will resolve it, not just with a local data centre, that is not the limitation, but the replication of a similar online tool to visualize the data.
This campaign has to be about the benefits of open data. Knowledge, empowerment, commerce entrepreneurship, citizen participation. By crusading for, lobbying and obtaining data that was previously only in thick books, PS Dr Ndemo has broken ground for us. By launching this HE President Kibaki has demonstrated Kenya's commitment to citizen access.
Once the entrepreneurs developers have a system that can replicate or even improve or add value to Socrata, or even improve on Socrata and Google's public data tools, the hosting decisions will be easy. As an implementing agency, we are committed to working with all to make this happen. There is much to be done.
This is the whole problem right here with a wrong approach by developing countries governments. Please stop burying your heads in the sand.. How can Kenyan developers or companies compare developments level to match that of Socrata ( Most likely VC funded, development investments probably running into millions of dollars ) or Google ( a multi-million dollar global industry leader on its own ). How are you expecting kenyan developers/companies to put literally millions of shillings into a system over night that there is no base foundation to build upon? The VC system works in developed countries, it will not work here in the technology sector, that is why there is not much happening in the software development sectors. It is imperative for the Govt to be the critical catalyst in early stages of such projects and also provide the financial rewards for creativity. When is the Govt going to announce a developer challenge for the creation and hosting of the replacement of the Socrata system with our own definitions of requirements and rollout for local companies to participate in the creation of the ultimate core system?
Let this be a beginning of what the future of Kenya holds for local development, which will compliment the Open Data Initiative.
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@Rad, there are two sides to this coin. The core system and hosting affecting ownership of data is as important as the usage of data. Let there be a Govt led parallel competition for both sides. To those who are end designers of the data, you can get away with minor investments into creating wonderful data displays while to those who are more into a national widespread approach, they will still need to invest those millions into creating a system. Where do we move from here? Rgds.
Americans always say "there is no good deed that goes unpunished". Ndemo.
I still think that we are still seeing the trees and not the forest.
In the larger scheme of things the fact that the data is not hosted here and running on kenyan infrastructure and systems *RIGHT NOW* is not an issue. True, at some point it would be nice if it did, but I don't think in the light of developments this is an urgently pressing requirement.
The important thing is that the data is being availed.
To spur innovation and creativity I would encourage the ICT board to put in place some sort of competition to encourage creative and innovative use of the data itself. This is what we need *right now*. It doesn't require infrastructure of capital investment or anything along those lines. It just requires innovation, focus and a laptop. Is within the reach of literally millions of Kenyans and not a few dozen.
To borrow from the Bible before attending to logs in eyes, let us deal with specks.
I would suggest some sort of competition with prizes that encourage developers to come up with innovative ways to use the OpenData content - mashups, visualization, models, maps etc in various sectors
- Health - Government - Education - Finance - etc
Let developers run wild with ideas and in a couple of months award the best and add an Applications section to the OpenData website where shortlisted applications and eventual winners can have their apps hosted.
This is what Kenya needs right now.
Breaking our necks to host the data locally right now in the larger scheme of things is hardly a priority.
Suppose hypothetically speaking we did this by next week. So what? What is the point of hosting it locally and nothing is done with the data? To prove a point?
Good people, let us solve immediate priorities first.
On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 10:47 PM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Paul, Thank you for the response.
Kindly find some comments inline for some further discussion. :-)
On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 8:12 PM, Paul Kukubo <pkukubo@ict.go.ke> wrote:
I would like to shift the discussion if I may to what people can do with the data? What data is missing? how citizens are using it. What possible value additions we can have?
I hope you've added my request for the debt datasets.
Socrata.com is an online hosted service that enables data to be visualized to enable graphs and charts and data comparisons with ease. This visualization is what gives meaning to the data in a way that the common citizens can view it. The benefits of doing this quickly for launch and citizen access far outweigh the cost of waiting for the time it would have taken for us to develop a similar online application locally. One the same website we have published the same lists of data in their original formats.
Indeed we have spoken to many software developers who have suggested that they can replicate this The data is there for anyone to replicate it on any website. What we have indicated to software developers is to take the plunge into imagining solutions that are based on have access to that data. This is where the greatest value is.
The issue of local hosting has our attention and we will resolve it, not just with a local data centre, that is not the limitation, but the replication of a similar online tool to visualize the data.
This campaign has to be about the benefits of open data. Knowledge, empowerment, commerce entrepreneurship, citizen participation. By crusading for, lobbying and obtaining data that was previously only in thick books, PS Dr Ndemo has broken ground for us. By launching this HE President Kibaki has demonstrated Kenya's commitment to citizen access.
Once the entrepreneurs developers have a system that can replicate or even improve or add value to Socrata, or even improve on Socrata and Google's public data tools, the hosting decisions will be easy. As an implementing agency, we are committed to working with all to make this happen. There is much to be done.
This is the whole problem right here with a wrong approach by developing countries governments. Please stop burying your heads in the sand.. How can Kenyan developers or companies compare developments level to match that of Socrata ( Most likely VC funded, development investments probably running into millions of dollars ) or Google ( a multi-million dollar global industry leader on its own ). How are you expecting kenyan developers/companies to put literally millions of shillings into a system over night that there is no base foundation to build upon? The VC system works in developed countries, it will not work here in the technology sector, that is why there is not much happening in the software development sectors. It is imperative for the Govt to be the critical catalyst in early stages of such projects and also provide the financial rewards for creativity. When is the Govt going to announce a developer challenge for the creation and hosting of the replacement of the Socrata system with our own definitions of requirements and rollout for local companies to participate in the creation of the ultimate core system?
Let this be a beginning of what the future of Kenya holds for local development, which will compliment the Open Data Initiative.
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I still think that we are still seeing the trees and not the forest.
In the larger scheme of things the fact that the data is not hosted here and running on kenyan infrastructure and systems *RIGHT NOW* is not an issue. True, at some point it would be nice if it did, but I don't think in the light of developments this is an urgently pressing requirement.
The important thing is that the data is being availed.
To spur innovation and creativity I would encourage the ICT board to put in place some sort of competition to encourage creative and innovative use of the data itself. This is what we need *right now*. It doesn't require infrastructure of capital investment or anything along those lines. It just requires innovation, focus and a laptop. Is within the reach of literally millions of Kenyans and not a few dozen.
To borrow from the Bible before attending to logs in eyes, let us deal with specks.
I would suggest some sort of competition with prizes that encourage developers to come up with innovative ways to use the OpenData content - mashups, visualization, models, maps etc in various sectors
- Health - Government - Education - Finance - etc
Let developers run wild with ideas and in a couple of months award the best and add an Applications section to the OpenData website where shortlisted applications and eventual winners can have their apps hosted.
This is what Kenya needs right now.
Breaking our necks to host the data locally right now in the larger scheme of things is hardly a priority.
Suppose hypothetically speaking we did this by next week. So what? What is the point of hosting it locally and nothing is done with the data? To prove a point?
Good people, let us solve immediate priorities first.
On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 10:47 PM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Paul, Thank you for the response.
Kindly find some comments inline for some further discussion. :-)
On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 8:12 PM, Paul Kukubo <pkukubo@ict.go.ke> wrote:
I would like to shift the discussion if I may to what people can do with the data? What data is missing? how citizens are using it. What possible value additions we can have?
I hope you've added my request for the debt datasets.
Socrata.com is an online hosted service that enables data to be visualized to enable graphs and charts and data comparisons with ease. This visualization is what gives meaning to the data in a way that the common citizens can view it. The benefits of doing this quickly for launch and citizen access far outweigh the cost of waiting for the time it would have taken for us to develop a similar online application locally. One the same website we have published the same lists of data in their original formats.
Indeed we have spoken to many software developers who have suggested that they can replicate this The data is there for anyone to replicate it on any website. What we have indicated to software developers is to take the plunge into imagining solutions that are based on have access to that data. This is where the greatest value is.
The issue of local hosting has our attention and we will resolve it, not just with a local data centre, that is not the limitation, but the replication of a similar online tool to visualize the data.
This campaign has to be about the benefits of open data. Knowledge, empowerment, commerce entrepreneurship, citizen participation. By crusading for, lobbying and obtaining data that was previously only in thick books, PS Dr Ndemo has broken ground for us. By launching this HE President Kibaki has demonstrated Kenya's commitment to citizen access.
Once the entrepreneurs developers have a system that can replicate or even improve or add value to Socrata, or even improve on Socrata and Google's public data tools, the hosting decisions will be easy. As an implementing agency, we are committed to working with all to make this happen. There is much to be done.
This is the whole problem right here with a wrong approach by developing countries governments. Please stop burying your heads in the sand.. How can Kenyan developers or companies compare developments level to match that of Socrata ( Most likely VC funded, development investments probably running into millions of dollars ) or Google ( a multi-million dollar global industry leader on its own ). How are you expecting kenyan developers/companies to put literally millions of shillings into a system over night that there is no base foundation to build upon? The VC system works in developed countries, it will not work here in the technology sector, that is why there is not much happening in the software development sectors. It is imperative for the Govt to be the critical catalyst in early stages of such projects and also provide the financial rewards for creativity. When is the Govt going to announce a developer challenge for the creation and hosting of the replacement of the Socrata system with our own definitions of requirements and rollout for local companies to participate in the creation of the ultimate core system?
Let this be a beginning of what the future of Kenya holds for local development, which will compliment the Open Data Initiative.
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Methinks we have overdone this thread. I see a set of two groups. One totally annoyed that our data sits in a foreign country(lost opportunity thereof), while another appreciates the potential of unlocking government data - irrespective of where it sits. I dont forsee expect consensus arising from online exchanges any time soon. Maybe its time for another townhall (face2face) meeting to sort this ou?. Perhaps a session could be squeezed into the upcoming Kenya IGF meeting to take this discussion to its natural conclusion? walu. --- On Thu, 7/14/11, Edwin Onchari <eonchari@lynxbits.com> wrote: From: Edwin Onchari <eonchari@lynxbits.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fwd: Open Data - Where does it sit? To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions'" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Thursday, July 14, 2011, 12:04 PM And one of their own "Ben Franklin" said... How few there are who have courage enough to own their faults, or resolution enough to mend them....I am sure everyone here is making a contribution to a max realization of potential this has! Edwin -----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+eonchari=lynxbits.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+eonchari=lynxbits.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of bitange@jambo.co.ke Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 11:23 AM To: Edwin Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fwd: Open Data - Where does it sit? Americans always say "there is no good deed that goes unpunished". Ndemo.
I still think that we are still seeing the trees and not the forest.
In the larger scheme of things the fact that the data is not hosted here and running on kenyan infrastructure and systems *RIGHT NOW* is not an issue. True, at some point it would be nice if it did, but I don't think in the light of developments this is an urgently pressing requirement.
The important thing is that the data is being availed.
To spur innovation and creativity I would encourage the ICT board to put in place some sort of competition to encourage creative and innovative use of the data itself. This is what we need *right now*. It doesn't require infrastructure of capital investment or anything along those lines. It just requires innovation, focus and a laptop. Is within the reach of literally millions of Kenyans and not a few dozen.
To borrow from the Bible before attending to logs in eyes, let us deal with specks.
I would suggest some sort of competition with prizes that encourage developers to come up with innovative ways to use the OpenData content - mashups, visualization, models, maps etc in various sectors
- Health - Government - Education - Finance - etc
Let developers run wild with ideas and in a couple of months award the best and add an Applications section to the OpenData website where shortlisted applications and eventual winners can have their apps hosted.
This is what Kenya needs right now.
Breaking our necks to host the data locally right now in the larger scheme of things is hardly a priority.
Suppose hypothetically speaking we did this by next week. So what? What is the point of hosting it locally and nothing is done with the data? To prove a point?
Good people, let us solve immediate priorities first.
On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 10:47 PM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Paul, Thank you for the response.
Kindly find some comments inline for some further discussion. :-)
On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 8:12 PM, Paul Kukubo <pkukubo@ict.go.ke> wrote:
I would like to shift the discussion if I may to what people can do with the data? What data is missing? how citizens are using it. What possible value additions we can have?
I hope you've added my request for the debt datasets.
Socrata.com is an online hosted service that enables data to be visualized to enable graphs and charts and data comparisons with ease. This visualization is what gives meaning to the data in a way that the common citizens can view it. The benefits of doing this quickly for launch and citizen access far outweigh the cost of waiting for the time it would have taken for us to develop a similar online application locally. One the same website we have published the same lists of data in their original formats.
Indeed we have spoken to many software developers who have suggested that they can replicate this The data is there for anyone to replicate it on any website. What we have indicated to software developers is to take the plunge into imagining solutions that are based on have access to that data. This is where the greatest value is.
The issue of local hosting has our attention and we will resolve it, not just with a local data centre, that is not the limitation, but the replication of a similar online tool to visualize the data.
This campaign has to be about the benefits of open data. Knowledge, empowerment, commerce entrepreneurship, citizen participation. By crusading for, lobbying and obtaining data that was previously only in thick books, PS Dr Ndemo has broken ground for us. By launching this HE President Kibaki has demonstrated Kenya's commitment to citizen access.
Once the entrepreneurs developers have a system that can replicate or even improve or add value to Socrata, or even improve on Socrata and Google's public data tools, the hosting decisions will be easy. As an implementing agency, we are committed to working with all to make this happen. There is much to be done.
This is the whole problem right here with a wrong approach by developing countries governments. Please stop burying your heads in the sand.. How can Kenyan developers or companies compare developments level to match that of Socrata ( Most likely VC funded, development investments probably running into millions of dollars ) or Google ( a multi-million dollar global industry leader on its own ). How are you expecting kenyan developers/companies to put literally millions of shillings into a system over night that there is no base foundation to build upon? The VC system works in developed countries, it will not work here in the technology sector, that is why there is not much happening in the software development sectors. It is imperative for the Govt to be the critical catalyst in early stages of such projects and also provide the financial rewards for creativity. When is the Govt going to announce a developer challenge for the creation and hosting of the replacement of the Socrata system with our own definitions of requirements and rollout for local companies to participate in the creation of the ultimate core system?
Let this be a beginning of what the future of Kenya holds for local development, which will compliment the Open Data Initiative.
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Walu You are a wise man indeed! :) I agree. IGF forum would be a good place to take this forward. I wonder if we are not time barred? Regards Ali Hussein - Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> Sender: kictanet-bounces+info=alyhussein.com@lists.kictanet.or.keDate: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 03:10:54 To: <info@alyhussein.com> Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions'<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fwd: Open Data - Where does it sit?-end of thread? _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/info%40alyhussein.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
Hi Walu, Let me clarify my position (i hope it also captures the position of others). 1) This is a first for many developing countries in the region and around the world. Am proud of this accomplishment and congratulate those behind this effort. 2) I also recognize the opportunities the open-data presents both nationally and globally. (read am a techie and i love graphs because they simplify and talk on my behalf - something am not good at). 3) I would also like to see Kenya be the first to host its open data locally for the following reasons; i) Reduce dependence on International connectivity to reach what will soon be critical data. ii) enhance the speed of access and using the data. iii) Cost of accessing the data is lowered for operators and developers. iv) Debunk the myth or assumptions about local hosting -- the .KE domain name is a good success story to learn from. v) Develop partnership in e-Govt implementation with local private sector for a local open gov solution. vi) encourage research and development on other content areas - such as Weather, Geological Surveys & seismic monitoring, etc vii) Our opengov solution can be used by others in the region (walking in the footsteps of mpesa, ushahidi, et al) viii) Lastly if all thats listed above evolves into significant locally hosted content we can start impacting on cost and access of Internet as a resource in Kenya. my 2 cents. Michuki. On 7/14/11 1:10 PM, Walubengo J wrote:
Methinks we have overdone this thread. I see a set of two groups. One totally annoyed that our data sits in a foreign country(lost opportunity thereof), while another appreciates the potential of unlocking government data - irrespective of where it sits. I dont forsee expect consensus arising from online exchanges any time soon.
Maybe its time for another townhall (face2face) meeting to sort this ou?. Perhaps a session could be squeezed into the upcoming Kenya IGF meeting to take this discussion to its natural conclusion?
walu.
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From: Edwin Onchari <eonchari@lynxbits.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fwd: Open Data - Where does it sit? To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions'" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Thursday, July 14, 2011, 12:04 PM
And one of their own "Ben Franklin" said... How few there are who have courage enough to own their faults, or resolution enough to mend them....I am sure everyone here is making a contribution to a max realization of potential this has!
Edwin
-----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+eonchari=lynxbits.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke </mc/compose?to=lynxbits.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke> [mailto:kictanet-bounces+eonchari=lynxbits.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke </mc/compose?to=lynxbits.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke>] On Behalf Of bitange@jambo.co.ke </mc/compose?to=bitange@jambo.co.ke> Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 11:23 AM To: Edwin Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fwd: Open Data - Where does it sit?
Americans always say "there is no good deed that goes unpunished".
Ndemo.
> I still think that we are still seeing the trees and not the forest. > > In the larger scheme of things the fact that the data is not hosted here > and > running on kenyan infrastructure and systems *RIGHT NOW* is not an issue. > True, at some point it would be nice if it did, but I don't think in the > light of developments this is an urgently pressing requirement. > > The important thing is that the data is being availed. > > To spur innovation and creativity I would encourage the ICT board to put > in > place some sort of competition to encourage creative and innovative use of > the data itself. This is what we need *right now*. It doesn't require > infrastructure of capital investment or anything along those lines. It > just > requires innovation, focus and a laptop. Is within the reach of literally > millions of Kenyans and not a few dozen. > > To borrow from the Bible before attending to logs in eyes, let us deal > with > specks. > > I would suggest some sort of competition with prizes that encourage > developers to come up with innovative ways to use the OpenData content - > mashups, visualization, models, maps etc in various sectors > > - Health > - Government > - Education > - Finance > - etc > > Let developers run wild with ideas and in a couple of months award the > best > and add an Applications section to the OpenData website where shortlisted > applications and eventual winners can have their apps hosted. > > This is what Kenya needs right now. > > Breaking our necks to host the data locally right now in the larger scheme > of things is hardly a priority. > > Suppose hypothetically speaking we did this by next week. So what? What is > the point of hosting it locally and nothing is done with the data? To > prove > a point? > > Good people, let us solve immediate priorities first. > > On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 10:47 PM, aki <aki275@gmail.com </mc/compose?to=aki275@gmail.com>> wrote: > >> Dear Paul, Thank you for the response. >> >> Kindly find some comments inline for some further discussion. :-) >> >> On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 8:12 PM, Paul Kukubo <pkukubo@ict.go.ke </mc/compose?to=pkukubo@ict.go.ke>> wrote: >> >>> I would like to shift the discussion if I may to what people can do >>> with the data? What data is missing? how citizens are using it. What >>> possible value additions we can have? >>> >> >> I hope you've added my request for the debt datasets. >> >> >> >> >> >>> >>> Socrata.com is an online hosted service that enables data to be >>> visualized to enable graphs and charts and data comparisons with ease. >>> This visualization is what gives meaning to the data in a way that the >>> common citizens can view it. The benefits of doing this quickly for >>> launch and citizen access far outweigh the cost of waiting for the >>> time it would have taken for us to develop a similar online >>> application locally. One the same website we have published the same >>> lists of data in their original formats. >>> >> >> >>> >>> Indeed we have spoken to many software developers who have suggested >>> that they can replicate this The data is there for anyone to replicate >>> it on any website. What we have indicated to software developers is to >>> take the plunge into imagining solutions that are based on have access >>> to that data. This is where the greatest value is. >>> >>> The issue of local hosting has our attention and we will resolve it, >>> not just with a local data centre, that is not the limitation, but the >>> replication of a similar online tool to visualize the data. >>> >>> This campaign has to be about the benefits of open data. Knowledge, >>> empowerment, commerce entrepreneurship, citizen participation. By >>> crusading for, lobbying and obtaining data that was previously only in >>> thick books, PS Dr Ndemo has broken ground for us. By launching this >>> HE President Kibaki has demonstrated Kenya's commitment to citizen >>> access. >>> >> >> >> >>> >>> Once the entrepreneurs developers have a system that can replicate or >>> even improve or add value to Socrata, or even improve on Socrata and >>> Google's public data tools, the hosting decisions will be easy. As an >>> implementing agency, we are committed to working with all to make this >>> happen. There is much to be done. >>> >> >> This is the whole problem right here with a wrong approach by developing >> countries governments. Please stop burying your heads in the sand.. How >> can >> Kenyan developers or companies compare developments level to match that >> of >> Socrata ( Most likely VC funded, development investments probably >> running >> into millions of dollars ) or Google ( a multi-million dollar >> global industry leader on its own ). How are you expecting kenyan >> developers/companies to put literally millions of shillings into a >> system >> over night that there is no base foundation to build upon? The VC system >> works in developed countries, it will not work here in the technology >> sector, that is why there is not much happening in the software >> development >> sectors. It is imperative for the Govt to be the critical catalyst in >> early >> stages of such projects and also provide the financial rewards for >> creativity. When is the Govt going to announce a developer challenge for >> the >> creation and hosting of the replacement of the Socrata system with our >> own >> definitions of requirements and rollout for local companies to >> participate >> in the creation of the ultimate core system? >> >> Let this be a beginning of what the future of Kenya holds for local >> development, which will compliment the Open Data Initiative. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> kictanet mailing list >> kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke </mc/compose?to=kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> >> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >> >> Unsubscribe or change your options at >> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/conradakunga%40gmail.co m >> >> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform >> for >> people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and >> regulation. 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1. Good work | first step by the KICTB.. To begin with, would we not rather have 1000 developers taking interest in it because it is a well funded / offered Western based service than have most of them ignore it as cash strapped "Local" affair? Anyone who has tried to get the typical local software developer to improve or perform is aware that they jump at initiatives involving Westerners (to impress them) but show less enthusiasm for "local" initiatives / requests... Socrata seems to be quite a smart Company.. that works with local and national governments. They will benefit us all greatly if they are willing to regularly talk to local software developers / firms directly -- via Skype, Google or Webex (conferencing).. 2. Trust the Kenya Government was wise enough to sign a contract specifying the data (digital content) belongs to Kenya and may be removed from Socrata servers at any time we specify.. that Socrata has no right to keep it on or display it via their servers thereafter. http://kotrotsos.com/google-squared-vs-socrata 3. We should keep our ears open for SAAS that queries and displays locally stored data.. Like many other nations, we have sovereign space (an embassy) in the USA. Maybe we could store some data there :=) On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 11:22 AM, <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
Americans always say "there is no good deed that goes unpunished".
Ndemo.
I still think that we are still seeing the trees and not the forest.
In the larger scheme of things the fact that the data is not hosted here and running on kenyan infrastructure and systems *RIGHT NOW* is not an issue. True, at some point it would be nice if it did, but I don't think in the light of developments this is an urgently pressing requirement.
The important thing is that the data is being availed.
To spur innovation and creativity I would encourage the ICT board to put in place some sort of competition to encourage creative and innovative use of the data itself. This is what we need *right now*. It doesn't require infrastructure of capital investment or anything along those lines. It just requires innovation, focus and a laptop. Is within the reach of literally millions of Kenyans and not a few dozen.
To borrow from the Bible before attending to logs in eyes, let us deal with specks.
I would suggest some sort of competition with prizes that encourage developers to come up with innovative ways to use the OpenData content - mashups, visualization, models, maps etc in various sectors
- Health - Government - Education - Finance - etc
Let developers run wild with ideas and in a couple of months award the best and add an Applications section to the OpenData website where shortlisted applications and eventual winners can have their apps hosted.
This is what Kenya needs right now.
Breaking our necks to host the data locally right now in the larger scheme of things is hardly a priority.
Suppose hypothetically speaking we did this by next week. So what? What is the point of hosting it locally and nothing is done with the data? To prove a point?
Good people, let us solve immediate priorities first.
On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 10:47 PM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Paul, Thank you for the response.
Kindly find some comments inline for some further discussion. :-)
On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 8:12 PM, Paul Kukubo <pkukubo@ict.go.ke> wrote:
I would like to shift the discussion if I may to what people can do with the data? What data is missing? how citizens are using it. What possible value additions we can have?
I hope you've added my request for the debt datasets.
Socrata.com is an online hosted service that enables data to be visualized to enable graphs and charts and data comparisons with ease. This visualization is what gives meaning to the data in a way that the common citizens can view it. The benefits of doing this quickly for launch and citizen access far outweigh the cost of waiting for the time it would have taken for us to develop a similar online application locally. One the same website we have published the same lists of data in their original formats.
Indeed we have spoken to many software developers who have suggested that they can replicate this The data is there for anyone to replicate it on any website. What we have indicated to software developers is to take the plunge into imagining solutions that are based on have access to that data. This is where the greatest value is.
The issue of local hosting has our attention and we will resolve it, not just with a local data centre, that is not the limitation, but the replication of a similar online tool to visualize the data.
This campaign has to be about the benefits of open data. Knowledge, empowerment, commerce entrepreneurship, citizen participation. By crusading for, lobbying and obtaining data that was previously only in thick books, PS Dr Ndemo has broken ground for us. By launching this HE President Kibaki has demonstrated Kenya's commitment to citizen access.
Once the entrepreneurs developers have a system that can replicate or even improve or add value to Socrata, or even improve on Socrata and Google's public data tools, the hosting decisions will be easy. As an implementing agency, we are committed to working with all to make this happen. There is much to be done.
This is the whole problem right here with a wrong approach by developing countries governments. Please stop burying your heads in the sand.. How can Kenyan developers or companies compare developments level to match that of Socrata ( Most likely VC funded, development investments probably running into millions of dollars ) or Google ( a multi-million dollar global industry leader on its own ). How are you expecting kenyan developers/companies to put literally millions of shillings into a system over night that there is no base foundation to build upon? The VC system works in developed countries, it will not work here in the technology sector, that is why there is not much happening in the software development sectors. It is imperative for the Govt to be the critical catalyst in early stages of such projects and also provide the financial rewards for creativity. When is the Govt going to announce a developer challenge for the creation and hosting of the replacement of the Socrata system with our own definitions of requirements and rollout for local companies to participate in the creation of the ultimate core system?
Let this be a beginning of what the future of Kenya holds for local development, which will compliment the Open Data Initiative.
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Aki Your impassioned comments about the role of government not withstanding, my humble opinion is that the cup is half full...Not half empty... By the way I will also not be too hasty about dismissing the role a VC culture may or may not play in Kenya. We must start somewhere. After all local companies and enterpreneurs are blazing the trail of innovation and the smart money (slow in coming as it is) will follow. Mpesa, Seven Seas, Pesapal, ihub are all good examples of where we are at. To quote Francis again, my two cowries :) Ali Hussein - Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: aki <aki275@gmail.com> Sender: kictanet-bounces+info=alyhussein.com@lists.kictanet.or.keDate: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 22:47:05 To: <info@alyhussein.com> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fwd: Open Data - Where does it sit? _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/info%40alyhussein.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
@Mr Hussein, I think I'll add to the valuable input Dr Ndemo had put earlier. In the 70's it was about the BW, I believe now its about the invasion of VC culture ( read: Silicon valley types ) that is going to take us nowhere thus we need to do more. Out of those you've listed, please look further and add whether any of the innovations holds kenyan patents. And please don't get me wrong, I know for a fact we are far capable of doing much more than just trying to create product and services entreprenuers. The Open Data Initiative is very important to our achievements, but KICTB may have taken the usual shortcut which unfortunately represents a rather negative image of the govt in such areas. In this tech sector, govt plays a very important part in what happens in the future. And each time it is the govt that is killing the hopes of creative kenyans in national core systems. By this I do not mean supplying high end servers nor installing them nor maintaining them. I mean creativity that means local solutions to local problems. Thank you. :-) On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 4:08 AM, Ali Hussein <info@alyhussein.com> wrote:
Aki
Your impassioned comments about the role of government not withstanding, my humble opinion is that the cup is half full...Not half empty...
By the way I will also not be too hasty about dismissing the role a VC culture may or may not play in Kenya. We must start somewhere. After all local companies and enterpreneurs are blazing the trail of innovation and the smart money (slow in coming as it is) will follow. Mpesa, Seven Seas, Pesapal, ihub are all good examples of where we are at.
To quote Francis again, my two cowries :)
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Aki First allow me to smile at your impassioned arguments. However seems to me that you want to have your cake and eat it too.. (Though there's the argument that if you have the cake why not eat it? :) ). Me thinks we can agree to disagree here. In the ICT space Government is doing what it should (pushed as it is by forums like these). The private sector needs to catch up fast. The likes of Dr. Ndemo and his predecessor Hon. James Rege have done this country proud. I guess I come from the school of thought that the less Government the better in our lives. The fact that we keep on insisting on more Government involvement not less is a reflection of a failure in ourselves. But then that's just my humble opinion. Cup half full Aki..Not half empty.. :) Ali Hussein - Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: aki <aki275@gmail.com> Sender: kictanet-bounces+info=alyhussein.com@lists.kictanet.or.keDate: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 07:42:26 To: <info@alyhussein.com> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fwd: Open Data - Where does it sit? _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/info%40alyhussein.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
@Hussein, please also allow me to smile at the "private sector" comment below. :-) Let us add for further discussion. When the motivation for doing business is what we are at, then it explains why NO private sector company has an R & D Department, nor will it allocate the funds for such. But I'd like you to comment on and where the govt is on such matters. 1) What is Innovation - : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NK0WR2GtFs ( please listen very keenly ) Rgds. On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 8:28 AM, Ali Hussein <info@alyhussein.com> wrote:
Aki
First allow me to smile at your impassioned arguments. However seems to me that you want to have your cake and eat it too.. (Though there's the argument that if you have the cake why not eat it? :) ).
Me thinks we can agree to disagree here. In the ICT space Government is doing what it should (pushed as it is by forums like these). The private sector needs to catch up fast. The likes of Dr. Ndemo and his predecessor Hon. James Rege have done this country proud.
I guess I come from the school of thought that the less Government the better in our lives. The fact that we keep on insisting on more Government involvement not less is a reflection of a failure in ourselves. But then that's just my humble opinion.
Cup half full Aki..Not half empty.. :)
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Aki Thanks for the youtube clip. My take is that Government should be at the forefront of Policy Making and ensuring the right environment is in place for all the things that make for successful enterprise and (dare I say, In Pursuit of Happiness?) Regards Ali Hussein - Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: aki <aki275@gmail.com> Sender: kictanet-bounces+info=alyhussein.com@lists.kictanet.or.keDate: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 09:55:15 To: <info@alyhussein.com> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fwd: Open Data - Where does it sit? _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/info%40alyhussein.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
@Hussein, allow me an opinion and some last comments on this thread. :-) Thank you for taking the time to listen to it. For people like me, the "tech war" is not about individuals nor people. Its about a system. A system that is going to ensure we continue to have a bleak future in self creations and independence and also be limited to the function of the oil that lubricates the wheel, not be the wheel itself. I'm not sure when smart and intelligent kenyans will realize that we have reached a stage where the next step towards that level of creativity will change us completely. In a further comparison just at University level ( http://www.nhdf.org/news/2011/3/28/12-nhdf-announces-top-ten-finalists-for-n...), this is an example of why other govts and public sectors will never buy technology or creativity from us. This is just one sector that has a global impact. I can literally list many examples here, including the efforts of the chinese to build a jet fighter. One needs capital to innovate or create, not incubation hubs or concrete walls and the likes with ideas good for just boardroom presentations. In short, what is the catalyst for Kenya to move to the next level? Was the Open Data Initiative core technology platform a catalyst for the next level or was the end user data usage a catalyst for information access? This is why I believe we will never find someone in developing countries who can match or exceed e.g facebook/youtube. Best Rgds. On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 12:20 PM, Ali Hussein <info@alyhussein.com> wrote:
Aki
Thanks for the youtube clip.
My take is that Government should be at the forefront of Policy Making and ensuring the right environment is in place for all the things that make for successful enterprise and (dare I say, In Pursuit of Happiness?)
Regards
Ali Hussein - Sent from my BlackBerry®
Aki Let's meet at IGF or a coffee off line? I take it upon myself to convince you of otherwise. Will you oblige? :) Regards Ali Hussein - Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: aki <aki275@gmail.com> Sender: kictanet-bounces+info=alyhussein.com@lists.kictanet.or.keDate: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 13:53:31 To: <info@alyhussein.com> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fwd: Open Data - Where does it sit? _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/info%40alyhussein.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
@Hussein, :-) Thank you very much and I appreciate the offer, will definately take you up on it in future. Unfortunately, my road to learning and some tech projects as development ideas are the focus and until they are built, tested and successful or have some sort of rollout impact, just sharing words seems quite odd from a tech point of view. I just recently self retired from a very worthy kenyan tech list due to time constraints and was completely away from online discussion lists until this thread caught my attention. And I'll not be staying online on this discussion list too as the same constraints are catching up again. However, I hope as an independent, I've brought out some ideas/issues that need to be looked into and that will lead to a better environment for local telcos, isps, developer companies etc, to be involved in core processes as the domino effect touches everyone in the overall picture. Rgds. On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 2:59 PM, Ali Hussein <info@alyhussein.com> wrote:
Aki
Let's meet at IGF or a coffee off line? I take it upon myself to convince you of otherwise. Will you oblige? :)
Regards
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@Ali I would love to come for the coffee .. Fly on the wall :) Thanks On 7/14/11, Ali Hussein <info@alyhussein.com> wrote:
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Let's meet at IGF or a coffee off line? I take it upon myself to convince you of otherwise. Will you oblige? :)
Regards
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Liko Try to ensure you don't fall into the hot coffee! :) Ali Hussein - Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: Agosta Liko <agostal@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 18:10:27 To: <info@alyhussein.com>; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Open Data - Where does it sit? @Ali I would love to come for the coffee .. Fly on the wall :) Thanks On 7/14/11, Ali Hussein <info@alyhussein.com> wrote:
Aki
Let's meet at IGF or a coffee off line? I take it upon myself to convince you of otherwise. Will you oblige? :)
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Listers Ŵe shall be tracking usage of this portal to understand Wananchi interest. We shall continue working with the developer teams to create information and citizen products. Some ideas that have been proposed are very novel and indeed some require financial support to operationalise. Next week the ICT Board will be announcing phase 2 of the Tandaa grants program which we delayed to enable this project to be launched. The government component of the grants will tie projects to open data. We shall repeat what we did last year in going around the country on sensitization on the same. Indeed we may find a proposal to localize the data as one likely proposal for grants. We never know. On November 1 the ICT Board will commence the incubation project and without preempting the likely candidates, some of them may well be in this area. I visited the MBlab (established earlier this year by university of Nairobi Ihub and World Bank) some of the ideas being incubated there will blow one's mind. The fact that Kenya is a leader in mobile innovation is not an overstatement. And the excitement in the dev community about open data is real. I was on k24 TV earlier today and the issues from callers had to do with getting citizen engagement. We are planning more such programs to take this to the public. Regards Paul kukubo CEO, Kenya ICT Board Tweeter: @pkukubo On Thursday, July 14, 2011, Ali Hussein <info@alyhussein.com> wrote:
Aki
Let's meet at IGF or a coffee off line? I take it upon myself to convince you of otherwise. Will you oblige? :)
Regards
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The Open Data project has opened a new frontier for Kenya. I forsee lots of innovations targetting value addition and entreprenuership. Research stands to benefit most. I have now lined up many students to enteract with the data available and generate new knowledge. Muliaro Wafula ________________________________ From: Paul Kukubo <pkukubo@ict.go.ke> To: muliaro@yahoo.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Fri, July 15, 2011 8:08:24 AM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Open Data - Where does it sit? Listers Ŵe shall be tracking usage of this portal to understand Wananchi interest. We shall continue working with the developer teams to create information and citizen products. Some ideas that have been proposed are very novel and indeed some require financial support to operationalise. Next week the ICT Board will be announcing phase 2 of the Tandaa grants program which we delayed to enable this project to be launched. The government component of the grants will tie projects to open data. We shall repeat what we did last year in going around the country on sensitization on the same. Indeed we may find a proposal to localize the data as one likely proposal for grants. We never know. On November 1 the ICT Board will commence the incubation project and without preempting the likely candidates, some of them may well be in this area. I visited the MBlab (established earlier this year by university of Nairobi Ihub and World Bank) some of the ideas being incubated there will blow one's mind. The fact that Kenya is a leader in mobile innovation is not an overstatement. And the excitement in the dev community about open data is real. I was on k24 TV earlier today and the issues from callers had to do with getting citizen engagement. We are planning more such programs to take this to the public. Regards Paul kukubo CEO, Kenya ICT Board Tweeter: @pkukubo On Thursday, July 14, 2011, Ali Hussein <info@alyhussein.com> wrote:
Aki
Let's meet at IGF or a coffee off line? I take it upon myself to convince you of otherwise. Will you oblige? :)
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Listers, Below please find a speech by UK Prime Minister David Cameron on Open data. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ky0O4mE9ark] It was presented at the Washington Conference. We are experiencing an emerging revolution of public service. Regards Ndemo. ---------------------------------------------- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by Jambo MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --------------------------------------------- "easy access to the world"
Listers, I'm doing a collection of stories by adult learners in Narok, Nakuru, Nairobi, West Pokot, Kakamega, Kisumu, Taveta and Garissa, and the source of these areas (by population and the area, etc), I'm getting it from opendata.go.ke. I see this as an opportunity to offer accurate data for development purposes. This is a great initiative. Regards, On 15/07/2011, bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
Listers, Below please find a speech by UK Prime Minister David Cameron on Open data.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ky0O4mE9ark]
It was presented at the Washington Conference. We are experiencing an emerging revolution of public service.
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Ndemo.
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Dear Paul @KICTB, will it be possible to get datasets on National Electricity Power Distribution and those in the sector like vendors, existing and planned capacities? Thank you.
Paul, You asked what data is missing? We haven't been able to access data that is in regards to the transport sector. Is it possible to have it? Am trying to put together an application that needs me to get the data/statistics in-order to have a concrete application. Any help? Regards, On 13 July 2011 20:12, Paul Kukubo <pkukubo@ict.go.ke> wrote:
I would like to shift the discussion if I may to what people can do with the data? What data is missing? how citizens are using it. What possible value additions we can have?
Socrata.com is an online hosted service that enables data to be visualized to enable graphs and charts and data comparisons with ease. This visualization is what gives meaning to the data in a way that the common citizens can view it. The benefits of doing this quickly for launch and citizen access far outweigh the cost of waiting for the time it would have taken for us to develop a similar online application locally. One the same website we have published the same lists of data in their original formats.
Indeed we have spoken to many software developers who have suggested that they can replicate this The data is there for anyone to replicate it on any website. What we have indicated to software developers is to take the plunge into imagining solutions that are based on have access to that data. This is where the greatest value is.
The issue of local hosting has our attention and we will resolve it, not just with a local data centre, that is not the limitation, but the replication of a similar online tool to visualize the data.
This campaign has to be about the benefits of open data. Knowledge, empowerment, commerce entrepreneurship, citizen participation. By crusading for, lobbying and obtaining data that was previously only in thick books, PS Dr Ndemo has broken ground for us. By launching this HE President Kibaki has demonstrated Kenya's commitment to citizen access.
Once the entrepreneurs developers have a system that can replicate or even improve or add value to Socrata, or even improve on Socrata and Google's public data tools, the hosting decisions will be easy. As an implementing agency, we are committed to working with all to make this happen. There is much to be done.
Thank you to those who have emailed us with specific suggestions of encouragement and improvements to this process. The journey has just began.
Sent from my iPad
Paul Kukubo CEO Kenya ICT Board Tweeter: @pkukubo
On 13 Jul 2011, at 17:04, Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com> wrote:
This is indeed a healthy discussion which I really appreciate. However, as a layman, just as someone pointed out, what exactly is a (open) data centre? And how does it differ to what NBK, KPLC(?), Equity bank have? Where the Kenya Govt Open Data is, sets a curios question: doesn't the govt have plans to have it located locally? And if there are challenged reeling, can't it be brought to the fore, so that we may put our heads together and brainstorm? The idea of some sections of the government classifying information does not go well since the government is nopt an exclusive members club. If by what has been said, of Paul Kukubo 'sitting' on some resources, then it would be prudent to look at the matter in a sober manner and see how they can be put into good use. And, if there are no plans for Kenya to have the data centres locally based for the next three years, then why are we talking of Konza (Malili) ICT City, which would be a perfect place for piloting this DC? A lot of deliberation needs to be made, to realize the establishment of our own DC here.
My 2 cents.
On 13/07/2011, Michuki Mwangi <michuki.mwangi@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Robert,
On 7/13/11 3:31 PM, robert yawe wrote:
Hi Michuki,
Thank you for the information, please give us the following missing information.
1) An Operators license from CCK - ISP, Mobile, etc
I will follow up on the license requirements from CCK but out of curiosity what license do UNON, KRA & NBK have ( http://www.tespok.co.ke/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=77&Itemid=92 < http://www.tespok.co.ke/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=77&Itemid=92 ) just to get a better understanding of the entire process?
Unfortunately our agreement with our members does not permits me to disclose this information. As such, i would defer you to CCK or the members directly to get this information.
2) Fill in the Membership forms
What are the membership fees for application, monthly and annual?
Maybe i should have called them subscription forms and agreements. Fees are payable for on a monthly basis for KIXP peering services.
3) Pay Services fees based on port speed required 10/100/1000 Mbps per month
What are the charges for the various bandwidth connections?
This is an administrative question that you would have to consult the Admin office directly to inquire.
However according to information available on the TESPOK website its Kshs 30,000 for minimum entry which is 10Mbps.
5) lease a circuit from KIXP back to your Premise
Who are the available providers with nodes at KIXP and can provide the backhaul?
Currently there are Jamii, KDN, TKL, Access Kenya, Wananchi Online and Safaricom. As i mentioned earlier - KIXP is carrier neutral facility. Any provider is welcome to build infrastructure to KIXP facilities if they are not there yet.
6) Bring a Router to KIXP for connecting to other Members.
What are the minimum requirements for the router apart from just BGP capability?
In any network, the engineering team should have the skills to determine what router minimum specifications would be sufficient for the organizations peering needs and when upgrades are due etc.
Therefore our specifications are based on wh
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Thank you or your email and your request. Indeed we don't have transport Data yet and I shall take this up as it has come up a few If you go onto thewebsite you will see that there is a page where we ask for data suggestions and there is a long list. I shall confirm to you what the status is on this later. PS Ndemo has been working with other permanent secretaries to champion the issue of availing data to the public. There are are very many data sets that people have written to request for and this is an on-going process. Paul Kukubo CEO Kenya ICT Board On Thursday, July 14, 2011, James Muendo <timrick@gmail.com> wrote:
Paul, You asked what data is missing? We haven't been able to access data that is in regards to the transport sector. Is it possible to have it? Am trying to put together an application that needs me to get the data/statistics in-order to have a concrete application. Any help?
Regards,
On 13 July 2011 20:12, Paul Kukubo <pkukubo@ict.go.ke> wrote:
I would like to shift the discussion if I may to what people can do with the data? What data is missing? how citizens are using it. What possible value additions we can have?
Socrata.com is an online hosted service that enables data to be visualized to enable graphs and charts and data comparisons with ease. This visualization is what gives meaning to the data in a way that the common citizens can view it. The benefits of doing this quickly for launch and citizen access far outweigh the cost of waiting for the time it would have taken for us to develop a similar online application locally. One the same website we have published the same lists of data in their original formats.
Indeed we have spoken to many software developers who have suggested that they can replicate this The data is there for anyone to replicate it on any website. What we have indicated to software developers is to take the plunge into imagining solutions that are based on have access to that data. This is where the greatest value is.
The issue of local hosting has our attention and we will resolve it, not just with a local data centre, that is not the limitation, but the replication of a similar online tool to visualize the data.
This campaign has to be about the benefits of open data. Knowledge, empowerment, commerce entrepreneurship, citizen participation. By crusading for, lobbying and obtaining data that was previously only in thick books, PS Dr Ndemo has broken ground for us. By launching this HE President Kibaki has demonstrated Kenya's commitment to citizen access.
Once the entrepreneurs developers have a system that can replicate or even improve or add value to Socrata, or even improve on Socrata and Google's public data tools, the hosting decisions will be easy. As an implementing agency, we are committed to working with all to make this happen. There is much to be done.
Thank you to those who have emailed us with specific suggestions of encouragement and improvements to this process. The journey has just began.
Sent from my iPad
Paul Kukubo CEO Kenya ICT Board Tweeter: @pkukubo
On 13 Jul 2011, at 17:04, Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com> wrote:
This is indeed a healthy discussion which I really appreciate. However, as a layman, just as someone pointed out, what exactly is a (open) data centre? And how does it differ to what NBK, KPLC(?), Equity bank have? Where the Kenya Govt Open Data is, sets a curios question: doesn't the govt have plans to have it located locally? And if there are challenged reeling, can't it be brought to the fore, so that we may put our heads together and brainstorm? The idea of some sections of the government classifying information does not go well since the government is nopt an exclusive members club. If by what has been said, of Paul Kukubo 'sitting' on some resources, then it would be prudent to look at the matter in a sober manner and see how they can be put into good use. And, if there are no plans for Kenya to have the data centres locally based for the next three years, then why are we talking of Konza (Malili) ICT City, which would be a perfect place for piloting this DC? A lot of deliberation needs to be made, to realize the establishment of our own DC here.
My 2 cents.
On 13/07/2011, Michuki Mwangi <michuki.mwangi@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Robert,
On 7/13/11 3:31 PM, robert yawe wrote:
Hi Michuki,
Thank you for the information, please give us the following missing information.
1) An Operators license from CCK - ISP, Mobile, etc
I will follow up on the license requirements from CCK but out of curiosity what license do UNON, KRA & NBK have (http://www.tespok.co.ke/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=77&Itemid=92 <http://www.tespok.co.ke/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=77&Itemid=92>) just to get a better understanding of the entire process?<-- Paul Kukubo Chief Executive Officer, Kenya ICT Board PO Box 27150 - 00100 Nairobi, Kenya
12th Floor, Teleposta Towers Koinange Street
Tel +254 20 2089061, +254 20 2211960 Fax: +254 20 2211962 website: www.ict.go.ke local content project: www.tandaa.co.ke, www.facebook.com/tandaakenya twitter:@tandaaKENYA BPO Project: www. doitinkenya.co.ke Digital Villages Project: www.pasha.co.ke
personal contacts _______________
Cell: + 254 717 180001
skype: kukubopaul googletalk: pkukubo personal blog: www.paulkukubo.co.ke personal twitter: @pkukubo
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Hi, This is quite a major step made, a first for Africa and unheard of in many places worldwide, so first congratulations! I'm curious about whether the actual raw data will (at some point) be available for analysis offline. I could be wrong but I haven't been able to get it. I know the world bank website has tons of raw(ish) data downloadable as well. I think there was also mention of having such data available via mobile. I guess this is one of those areas where developers should get cracking (if not already) and get some mobile apps out there. More comments as I sift through what's available (thinking - the half full glass). -- Josiah Mugambi On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 10:23 AM, Paul Kukubo <pkukubo@ict.go.ke> wrote:
Thank you or your email and your request.
Indeed we don't have transport Data yet and I shall take this up as it has come up a few If you go onto thewebsite you will see that there is a page where we ask for data suggestions and there is a long list.
I shall confirm to you what the status is on this later. PS Ndemo has been working with other permanent secretaries to champion the issue of availing data to the public. There are are very many data sets that people have written to request for and this is an on-going process.
Paul Kukubo CEO Kenya ICT Board
On Thursday, July 14, 2011, James Muendo <timrick@gmail.com> wrote:
Paul, You asked what data is missing? We haven't been able to access data that is in regards to the transport sector. Is it possible to have it? Am trying to put together an application that needs me to get the data/statistics in-order to have a concrete application. Any help?
Regards,
On 13 July 2011 20:12, Paul Kukubo <pkukubo@ict.go.ke> wrote:
I would like to shift the discussion if I may to what people can do with the data? What data is missing? how citizens are using it. What possible value additions we can have?
Socrata.com is an online hosted service that enables data to be visualized to enable graphs and charts and data comparisons with ease. This visualization is what gives meaning to the data in a way that the common citizens can view it. The benefits of doing this quickly for launch and citizen access far outweigh the cost of waiting for the time it would have taken for us to develop a similar online application locally. One the same website we have published the same lists of data in their original formats.
Indeed we have spoken to many software developers who have suggested that they can replicate this The data is there for anyone to replicate it on any website. What we have indicated to software developers is to take the plunge into imagining solutions that are based on have access to that data. This is where the greatest value is.
The issue of local hosting has our attention and we will resolve it, not just with a local data centre, that is not the limitation, but the replication of a similar online tool to visualize the data.
This campaign has to be about the benefits of open data. Knowledge, empowerment, commerce entrepreneurship, citizen participation. By crusading for, lobbying and obtaining data that was previously only in thick books, PS Dr Ndemo has broken ground for us. By launching this HE President Kibaki has demonstrated Kenya's commitment to citizen access.
Once the entrepreneurs developers have a system that can replicate or even improve or add value to Socrata, or even improve on Socrata and Google's public data tools, the hosting decisions will be easy. As an implementing agency, we are committed to working with all to make this happen. There is much to be done.
Thank you to those who have emailed us with specific suggestions of encouragement and improvements to this process. The journey has just began.
Sent from my iPad
Paul Kukubo CEO Kenya ICT Board Tweeter: @pkukubo
On 13 Jul 2011, at 17:04, Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com> wrote:
This is indeed a healthy discussion which I really appreciate. However, as a layman, just as someone pointed out, what exactly is a (open) data centre? And how does it differ to what NBK, KPLC(?), Equity bank have? Where the Kenya Govt Open Data is, sets a curios question: doesn't the govt have plans to have it located locally? And if there are challenged reeling, can't it be brought to the fore, so that we may put our heads together and brainstorm? The idea of some sections of the government classifying information does not go well since the government is nopt an exclusive members club. If by what has been said, of Paul Kukubo 'sitting' on some resources, then it would be prudent to look at the matter in a sober manner and see how they can be put into good use. And, if there are no plans for Kenya to have the data centres locally based for the next three years, then why are we talking of Konza (Malili) ICT City, which would be a perfect place for piloting this DC? A lot of deliberation needs to be made, to realize the establishment of our own DC here.
My 2 cents.
On 13/07/2011, Michuki Mwangi <michuki.mwangi@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Robert,
On 7/13/11 3:31 PM, robert yawe wrote:
Hi Michuki,
Thank you for the information, please give us the following missing information.
1) An Operators license from CCK - ISP, Mobile, etc
I will follow up on the license requirements from CCK but out of curiosity what license do UNON, KRA & NBK have ( http://www.tespok.co.ke/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=77&Itemid=92 < http://www.tespok.co.ke/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=77&Itemid=92 ) just to get a better understanding of the entire process?<-- Paul Kukubo Chief Executive Officer, Kenya ICT Board PO Box 27150 - 00100 Nairobi, Kenya
12th Floor, Teleposta Towers Koinange Street
Tel +254 20 2089061, +254 20 2211960 Fax: +254 20 2211962 website: www.ict.go.ke local content project: www.tandaa.co.ke, www.facebook.com/tandaakenya twitter:@tandaaKENYA BPO Project: www. doitinkenya.co.ke Digital Villages Project: www.pasha.co.ke
personal contacts _______________
Cell: + 254 717 180001
skype: kukubopaul googletalk: pkukubo personal blog: www.paulkukubo.co.ke personal twitter: @pkukubo
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Mission: To champion and actively enable Kenya to adopt and exploit ICT, through promotion of partnerships, investments and infrastructure growth for socio economic enrichment
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KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
-- Paul Kukubo Chief Executive Officer, Kenya ICT Board PO Box 27150 - 00100 Nairobi, Kenya
12th Floor, Teleposta Towers Koinange Street
Tel +254 20 2089061, +254 20 2211960 Fax: +254 20 2211962 website: www.ict.go.ke local content project: www.tandaa.co.ke, www.facebook.com/tandaakenya twitter:@tandaaKENYA BPO Project: www. doitinkenya.co.ke Digital Villages Project: www.pasha.co.ke
personal contacts _______________
Cell: + 254 717 180001
skype: kukubopaul googletalk: pkukubo personal blog: www.paulkukubo.co.ke personal twitter: @pkukubo
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Hi, Why should the data be sitting in Kenya is really the question? I will begin with an analogy that will make the concepts clear to even those guys in marketing; a rich person (politically correct statement) who has a plot on the 10th row from the main road currently served by a some-weather road is planning to put up a new palatial home. To improve access the plot there are 2 options; 1. Have the access from the main road to the plot developed to an all weather standard (State lodge Sagana)2. Build a helipad and descend down from above to the house (Ol Pajeta Farm - Adnan Khashoggi) These questions bring forth the issue of Maria Antoinette and the case of having bread or cake for the peasants a.k.a wanainchi, a condition currently being suffered by the blue eyed boys/girls of the post Moi regime. With reference to option 1, the government had the option of buying a presidential chopper for getting him/her to the lodge but instead the road was tarmacked. By tarmacking the road we provide access for all those along the road who would not individually have been able to improve their access. I believe this is what is referred to as natural justice that is practised by even the Hyena. It is the mandate of KICTB to market Kenya as a destination for other peoples data therefore sending our data out is clearly a breach of its mandate. Being the first African country to open its data we have given the rest of the continent the wrong message, nyinyi ni wanainchi lakini kuna wenyeinchi. Even President Obama concurs that when Kenya sneezes Africa gets a cold. The KICTB have opted for option 2 where what matters is how they, the few, can get access to the location without considering how the shamba boy will get to the premises. I am that shamba boy and KICTB has decided that it is not there concern how I get to work, all that matters is that I have been given a job. The government is not a profit making organisation, its mandate is to invest where there is maximum return and benefit to the citizens without creating large disparities amongst the citizenry, therefore we can not look at the local hosting for government as we would when considering Barclay's or Total. The government is supposed to act for the greater good of its people and not to fulfil the whims and desires of a few. If what you are indicating that the data is for use by Kenyans then your hosting overseas is contradictory to your statement. A data centre to host the data already exists in ministry of planning where the censors data is currently housed or treasury where IFMIS is hosted, Simba works fine therefore connectivity within country is not an issue, the national fibre optic network is lit so the data should be accessible across all provincial head quarters and at 500+ post offices (remember PMG in waiting) country wide so why then are we made to believe that we do not have the capacity to host the open data kwani how big are the bytes. Mr. Kukubo, please do not trivialise this issue with smack statements that are intended on making those contributing seem like nincompoops (always wanted to use that word in a sentence). You have turned the industry into a bunch of pathologists who can only deal with cadavers so do not fain shock when we seem disrespectful to the flesh after all there is no intention of putting it back together. @Mr. Kukubo When does the data come BACK home? Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From: Paul Kukubo <pkukubo@ict.go.ke> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Wed, 13 July, 2011 20:12:33 Subject: [kictanet] Fwd: Open Data - Where doe it sit? I would like to shift the discussion if I may to what people can do with the data? What data is missing? how citizens are using it. What possible value additions we can have? Socrata.com is an online hosted service that enables data to be visualized to enable graphs and charts and data comparisons with ease. This visualization is what gives meaning to the data in a way that the common citizens can view it. The benefits of doing this quickly for launch and citizen access far outweigh the cost of waiting for the time it would have taken for us to develop a similar online application locally. One the same website we have published the same lists of data in their original formats. Indeed we have spoken to many software developers who have suggested that they can replicate this The data is there for anyone to replicate it on any website. What we have indicated to software developers is to take the plunge into imagining solutions that are based on have access to that data. This is where the greatest value is. The issue of local hosting has our attention and we will resolve it, not just with a local data centre, that is not the limitation, but the replication of a similar online tool to visualize the data. This campaign has to be about the benefits of open data. Knowledge, empowerment, commerce entrepreneurship, citizen participation. By crusading for, lobbying and obtaining data that was previously only in thick books, PS Dr Ndemo has broken ground for us. By launching this HE President Kibaki has demonstrated Kenya's commitment to citizen access. Once the entrepreneurs developers have a system that can replicate or even improve or add value to Socrata, or even improve on Socrata and Google's public data tools, the hosting decisions will be easy. As an implementing agency, we are committed to working with all to make this happen. There is much to be done. Thank you to those who have emailed us with specific suggestions of encouragement and improvements to this process. The journey has just began. Sent from my iPad Paul Kukubo CEO Kenya ICT Board Tweeter: @pkukubo On 13 Jul 2011, at 17:04, Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com> wrote:
This is indeed a healthy discussion which I really appreciate. However, as a layman, just as someone pointed out, what exactly is a (open) data centre? And how does it differ to what NBK, KPLC(?), Equity bank have? Where the Kenya Govt Open Data is, sets a curios question: doesn't the govt have plans to have it located locally? And if there are challenged reeling, can't it be brought to the fore, so that we may put our heads together and brainstorm? The idea of some sections of the government classifying information does not go well since the government is nopt an exclusive members club. If by what has been said, of Paul Kukubo 'sitting' on some resources, then it would be prudent to look at the matter in a sober manner and see how they can be put into good use. And, if there are no plans for Kenya to have the data centres locally based for the next three years, then why are we talking of Konza (Malili) ICT City, which would be a perfect place for piloting this DC? A lot of deliberation needs to be made, to realize the establishment of our own DC here.
My 2 cents.
On 13/07/2011, Michuki Mwangi <michuki.mwangi@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Robert,
On 7/13/11 3:31 PM, robert yawe wrote:
Hi Michuki,
Thank you for the information, please give us the following missing information.
1) An Operators license from CCK - ISP, Mobile, etc
I will follow up on the license requirements from CCK but out of curiosity what license do UNON, KRA & NBK have (http://www.tespok.co.ke/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=77&Itemid=92 2 <http://www.tespok.co.ke/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=77&Itemid=92>) ) just to get a better understanding of the entire process?
Unfortunately our agreement with our members does not permits me to disclose this information. As such, i would defer you to CCK or the members directly to get this information.
2) Fill in the Membership forms
What are the membership fees for application, monthly and annual?
Maybe i should have called them subscription forms and agreements. Fees are payable for on a monthly basis for KIXP peering services.
3) Pay Services fees based on port speed required 10/100/1000 Mbps per month
What are the charges for the various bandwidth connections?
This is an administrative question that you would have to consult the Admin office directly to inquire.
However according to information available on the TESPOK website its Kshs 30,000 for minimum entry which is 10Mbps.
5) lease a circuit from KIXP back to your Premise
Who are the available providers with nodes at KIXP and can provide the backhaul?
Currently there are Jamii, KDN, TKL, Access Kenya, Wananchi Online and Safaricom. As i mentioned earlier - KIXP is carrier neutral facility. Any provider is welcome to build infrastructure to KIXP facilities if they are not there yet.
6) Bring a Router to KIXP for connecting to other Members.
What are the minimum requirements for the router apart from just BGP capability?
In any network, the engineering team should have the skills to determine what router minimum specifications would be sufficient for the organizations peering needs and when upgrades are due etc.
Therefore our specifications are based on wh
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