I agree with Dr. Ndemo on this. It appears Robert Alai is stranded in hate space. Apparently Walu tried very hard to give him directions out of it but he insists on continued residency. When someone is lost and does not head to your directions, the only option left is to give them the map and whether they chooses to read upside down, if they care to, is up to them. Perhaps with Alai we henceforth collectively not dignify or qualify his hate mongering by honouring it with responses- else people might not notice the difference.. Now that these emails are part of Alai CV and part of his public image forever, Walu raises an interesting Internet Governance Forum-2007 question -Should the internet be made to forget?
BILL MANNING: Bill manning, old guy, I've been doing this for a little while. Question, or an analogy here has to do with character assassination. And anonymity. The amount of data stored on the Internet or in the content providers is enormous and it grows exponentially. The Internet needs to learn how to forget. And that is a large issue that hasn't been talked about. Being able to forget bad data is important for the larger cultural experience. And we don't know how to do that.
NIK GOWING: That's a great workshop and plenary title. One more there, please. "How to forget."
<http://www.intgovforum.org/Rio_Meeting/IGF2-EmergingIssues-15NOV07.txt> --- bitange@jambo.co.ke wrote:
Dear All, This is unwarranted (below)attack and does not help us to develop a nation called Kenya.
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respect when people are being forcibly circumcised. I worked in the forces and from our own intelligence Kibaki is arming the Kikuyus for a major offensive now. We have pictures and facts about this and videos of confessions. Kenya cant and wont be the same with the kind of attitude which Bitange is creating while we know that people aare being killed for not being Kikuyus. I dont have two months in forums John. I run kaziafrika fforum which has more than 5700 active members. I run jamboforums.com which iss the public watchdog for Tanzania and has 5 million hits in one month. Jamboforum is credited with revealing the Richmond scandal, Buzwagi scandal, BOT scandal, and many others. I have experiece of 6 years in UN hostile zones including and not limited to DRC, Rwanda, Burundi and Mozambique.
Guys dont lick the ass of people like Bitange just because they are PSs. I personnaly wrote to my former boss who is Ban Ki Moon and sent the pics and also copied the humanitarian head who is Holmes. I believe that Kibaki and his cohorts like Ndemo are buying time to butcher Kenyans. All routes in Nairobi which matatus operat in have now see the ressurgence of Mungikis in the name of touts. These people are preparing to strike. I have witnessed in one of the routes Mungikis slashing people with razor blades. It a new attack which is ccoming up. People are now being attacked wwith razor blades and not Pangas as before.
Guys lets be serrious lakini tafadhalini tusilambe tako la Ndemo.
Alai
On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 4:06 PM, John Walubengo <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
Robert,
I dont know you. You dont know me, but probably by virtue of being a moderator of the KICTAnet list I have had to endure your 'tantrums'. I actually dont know how all this started but all I can say is that I see you are hurting and probably you should avoid writing/posting until you get your cool.
Anger is a bad partner when combined with the written word. Infact the things you say are easily forgotten but those you write remain forever. In my brief online life, I have learnt never to scribble when am worked up. What I do is to scribble, save it and review the content 12hrs later. Most of the times, I make changes that pass the same message in a more diplomatic and positive manner.
And that's really what the KICTAnet list is asking of members. Diplomacy. Try to say things with respect just as you would in real life.
walu. --- Robert Alai <alai.robert@gmail.com> wrote:
Alice
So thats what they taught you in school? Thats what you do at CCK? Hey you are simle failure to Kenyans. You believe in solving a problem by running away from it? Let me teach you abou lists and forums. I see your Masters degree is not coming handy here.
Alai
On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 8:35 AM, Robert Alai <alai.robert@gmail.com> wrote:
Alice
Did it touch you? Who again did you warn. Do you see like you are cutting my oxygen when you ban me? Ban, kwani? If Wainaina brings politics know that I will answer him politically and threats from you or Ndemo wont scare me. Kenyans know the truth and thinking that ogre mentality will scare me from saying what it is as it is then you are in for a suprise. By the way how important is KICTANET?
Alice, you are just behaving like Michuki who was Bitange's boss. Thinking that killing the messenger will stop people from getting the truth. Hell NO. KTN and Standard are more stronger than ever and with or without government lincenses we watch it in Kisumu through sattelite.
Shame on you and your stooge, Ndemo.
Alai unedited
On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 8:27 AM, alice <alice@apc.org> wrote:
Dear Robert...
This is a warning to you. Respect KICTAnet mailing list rules especially these ones:
*WHAT KINDS OF THINGS ARE INAPPROPRIATE FOR THE LISTSERV?** *The listserv should *not* be used at this time for personal advertising of services or the advertisement of services available from someone else. Please do *not* send updates of your addresses or other personal contact details to the listserv. Greetings to your friends, etc only flood mailboxes and should *not *be done through the listserv. Gender inappropriate or other references that may be offensive to some groups or individuals should not be posted, of course. * *Mailing list manners you must mind*: Don't send rude, political, tribal and offensive e-mails or postings. * Be polite - virtual
Alice
So thats what they taught you in school? Thats what you do at CCK? Hey you are simle failure to Kenyans. You believe in solving a problem by running away from it? Let me teach you abou lists and forums. I see your Masters degree is not coming handy here.
Alai
On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 8:35 AM, Robert Alai <alai.robert@gmail.com> wrote:
Alice
Did it touch you? Who again did you warn. Do you see like you are cutting my oxygen when you ban me? Ban, kwani? If Wainaina brings politics know that I will answer him politically and threats from you or Ndemo wont scare me. Kenyans know the truth and thinking that ogre mentality will scare me from saying what it is as it is then you are in for a suprise. By the way how important is KICTANET?
Alice, you are just behaving like Michuki who was Bitange's boss. Thinking that killing the messenger will stop people from getting the truth. Hell NO. KTN and Standard are more stronger than ever and with or without government lincenses we watch it in Kisumu through sattelite.
Shame on you and your stooge, Ndemo.
Alai unedited
On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 8:27 AM, alice <alice@apc.org> wrote:
Dear Robert...
This is a warning to you. Respect KICTAnet mailing list rules especially these ones:
*WHAT KINDS OF THINGS ARE INAPPROPRIATE FOR THE LISTSERV?** *The listserv should *not* be used at this time for personal advertising of services or the advertisement of services available from someone else. Please do *not* send updates of your addresses or other personal contact details to the listserv. Greetings to your friends, etc only flood mailboxes and should *not *be done through the listserv. Gender inappropriate or other references that may be offensive to some groups or individuals should not be posted, of course. * *Mailing list manners you must mind*: Don't send rude, political, tribal and offensive e-mails or postings. * Be polite - virtual members are real not a cyberspace dunderheads with no feelings.* Watch your words - We can't see your face, and the emotions in words can get misinterpreted.* Kick the bad language - People are listening.* Laws are laws - What's real in
real world are the
same in cyberspace. Be ethical in your
=== message truncated === --------------------------------- John respect when people are being forcibly circumcised. I worked in the forces and from our own intelligence Kibaki is arming the Kikuyus for a major offensive now. We have pictures and facts about this and videos of confessions. Kenya cant and wont be the same with the kind of attitude which Bitange is creating while we know that people aare being killed for not being Kikuyus. I dont have two months in forums John. I run kaziafrika fforum which has more than 5700 active members. I run jamboforums.com which iss the public watchdog for Tanzania and has 5 million hits in one month. Jamboforum is credited with revealing the Richmond scandal, Buzwagi scandal, BOT scandal, and many others. I have experiece of 6 years in UN hostile zones including and not limited to DRC, Rwanda, Burundi and Mozambique. Guys dont lick the ass of people like Bitange just because they are PSs. I personnaly wrote to my former boss who is Ban Ki Moon and sent the pics and also copied the humanitarian head who is Holmes. I believe that Kibaki and his cohorts like Ndemo are buying time to butcher Kenyans. All routes in Nairobi which matatus operat in have now see the ressurgence of Mungikis in the name of touts. These people are preparing to strike. I have witnessed in one of the routes Mungikis slashing people with razor blades. It a new attack which is ccoming up. People are now being attacked wwith razor blades and not Pangas as before. Guys lets be serrious lakini tafadhalini tusilambe tako la Ndemo. Alai On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 4:06 PM, John Walubengo <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote: Robert, I dont know you. You dont know me, but probably by virtue of being a moderator of the KICTAnet list I have had to endure your 'tantrums'. I actually dont know how all this started but all I can say is that I see you are hurting and probably you should avoid writing/posting until you get your cool. Anger is a bad partner when combined with the written word. Infact the things you say are easily forgotten but those you write remain forever. In my brief online life, I have learnt never to scribble when am worked up. What I do is to scribble, save it and review the content 12hrs later. Most of the times, I make changes that pass the same message in a more diplomatic and positive manner. And that's really what the KICTAnet list is asking of members. Diplomacy. Try to say things with respect just as you would in real life. walu. --- Robert Alai <alai.robert@gmail.com> wrote: the posting,
plagiarize, or deliberately do harm to
another KICTANet forum user.
if you repeat these offences we shall ban you
from
don't lie, this list.
regards
alice munyua
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is Not Innocent
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 22:51:59 +0300 From: Robert Alai <alai.robert@gmail.com> To: alice@apc.org CC: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> References:
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Wainaina This is funny. On one hand you are describing
incite the public and ignore the fact that All Royal Media outlets including RamogiFM, Kameme, and KBC have gone to become Kikuyu chauvinist and not ready to protect the interest of Kenya. On another hand you claim ho the current Kenyan problem is
IS NOT POLITICAL BUT ETHNIC. *I have just come from a tour which took me from Tigoni, Juja, Nyeri, Naivasha, Eldoret, Kisumu, Yala and Busia. I travelled with the IDPs and listened and cried of what I heard. Kenyans are being denied their rights because they are not Kikuyu. I have the word of MPs and confirmed with IOM that the government explicitly informed the Redcross and IOM not to serve some communities. I have horror tales of women whose husbands were hacked with
Tigoni police station and the police couldnt save because they are not Kikuyu. I have talked to Abbas of IOM of how different Redcross is treating IDPs. kikuyu IDPs are treated with all care and others ignored. I personally snatched blankets from Pamela who is the regional redcross manager in Kisumu when she refused to give them to mothers and chidren I transported from tigoni and naivasha. I brought 17 buses and called redcross and informed them of my mission. I had a meeting with Dr Simiyu and Abbas Guled and they agreed to prepare the ground. After a whole day travel I got redcross not ready and when they saw the buses is when they started cutting the mbogas and meat. We handed over 4 children whose mother was admitted to Agha khan with serious illness and redcross took the children to a police station in Siaya. Kenyan problem is tribal and not political. We cannot have one tribe running roughshod and even the religious leaders from Kikuyu preaching the Kikuyu superiority. We cannot have one tribe killing and maiming Kenyans while claiming there is a genocide against Kikuyus. No Kikuyu was killed in Kisumu. Infact they were protected and even I have Mwangi, and Kuria who are my friends living and working in Kisumu even now when they cant work anywhere else. But Kibaki is ordering NGOs not to serve non Kikuyus. Kikuyus enjoy greater access to loans and even humanitarian assistance. Go to Kondele in Kisumu where the Kikuyu IDPs are housed. You will find that there is a bigger difference with Moi stadium where redcross dont want to even put basic facilities forcing the local community in Kisumu to house the IDPs at St Stephens. kenyans, these theories of Bitange and Wainaina only works for the few they serve. Bitange was key in selling 51percent shares of Telkom Kenya to the french consortium at 26 Billion Ksh. Before
how KTN/Standard did political. *THE PROBLEM pangas inside that the government
cleared a debt of 69 billion. if 51% shares were sold at 26 it menas that Telkom Kenya was just worht 52 Billion. Why settle a debt of 69 billion? What is the mathematics here? telkom Kenya was worthless? Shame on you Bitange. Only people who dont know your inner dealings will
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