Hatari, I do not think there is course for concern yet. There are far too many operators with significant access to Broadband capacity that can shake up prices downwards. As such, there is absolutely no reason to call for price regulation. My prediction is that by Oct./Nov. you should see significant reductions in both voice and data. Regards Ndemo.
Waudo
It was more saddening to hear it from Michael Joseph. I wonder what PS Ndemo will say on this. We are not calling for price regulation. We are calling for transfer of benefits to users.
We beg if thats what we must do to be heard
OH
-----Original Message----- From: emailsignet@mailcan.com Sent: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 15:26:05 +0300 To: onyango@inbox.com Subject: Re: [kictanet] Seacom goes live?
I agree with Hatari. After all the hullabaloo preeding this fibre landings it is deflating to start hearing stories that the benefits to consumers will be minimised as investments are recouped (after the investments are re-couped will the services be free?).
And Brian, Government licenses the corporates to serve Wananchi. Both these players must show accountability to Wananchi.
Well done Hatari.
Waudo
On Fri, 31 Jul 2009 03:41 -0800, "Onyango Hatari" <onyango@inbox.com> wrote:
Brian
Is there anywhere I mentione "everything"? Can you address me on issues I raised and we should not start engaging in flame mail and sideshows. Address my issues.
OH
-----Original Message----- From: blongwe@gmail.com Sent: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 14:24:27 +0300 To: onyango@inbox.com Subject: Re: [kictanet] Seacom goes live?
hmm, so government and large corporates are to blame for everything... isn't that an overly simple approach towards addressing solutions to aid our development?
On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 1:57 PM, Onyango Hatari<onyango@inbox.com> wrote:
Guys
Its disgusting listening and watching Michael Joseph claim how the investors must re-coup their investment. How much must they continue to exploit their clients to "re-coup their investments"? The price of brea was 100 and now has gone to 10 and the retailer is still charging 100 just to "re-coup their investment"?
Is this the same MJ who said that the cost of doing business in Kenya is expensive. Thats an investor must invest in a 4WD, security and such? Then I wondered why we must have investors who cant even afford a 4WD?
We would rather have the kadogo economy than big ones who continue to exploit Kenyans even when they hinted how much costs will go down. The big mistake is that now PS Ndemo who is representing the government is quiet.
Michael, please can we see the transfer of savings to the common man. Thats when Kenyans will appreciate you. We must not see atleas the cost of 300 MB coming from 1,000 to Ksh 500. That way you will still be making big profits but we will understand you.
We need a government which cares for its citizens
OH
-----Original Message----- From: warigia@gmail.com Sent: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 12:19:19 +0300 To: onyango@inbox.com Subject: Re: [kictanet] Seacom goes live?
Dear Brian and Michael So, what is the best way for the common mwananchi to take advantage of these higher speeds? Will we experience them if we have the small dial up through safaricom or do we need new equipment. Sincerely, Warigia
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:07 PM, Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com> wrote:
As usual Michael, you are right! I did a traceroute  (connected on Onecom/Safaricom)
As you can see it hops into London and gets onto AS6453 in London which belongs to Tata.
Brian
BryoNet:~ macbook$ traceroute www.yahoo.com traceroute to www.wa1.b.yahoo.com (69.147.76.15), 64 hops max, 40 byte packets  1  192.168.1.1 (192.168.1.1)  1.302 ms  0.689 ms  0.677 ms  2  41-203-221-209.onecom.co.ke (41.203.221.209)  15.363 ms  4.641 ms 4.172 ms  3  41-203-216-12.onecom.co.ke (41.203.216.12)  20.489 ms  6.503 ms 3.367 ms  4  41-203-220-17.onecom.co.ke (41.203.220.17)  5.089 ms  16.715 ms 5.910 ms  5  41-203-220-2.onecom.co.ke (41.203.220.2)  5.636 ms  4.041 ms 4.873 ms  6  196.201.222.17 (196.201.222.17)  12.243 ms  4.722 ms  4.986 ms  7  if-12-1-3.mcore3.ldn-london.as6453.net (195.219.195.189)  238.321 ms  183.554 ms  187.807 ms  8  if-5-0-0-903.core3.aeq-ashburn.as6453.net (195.219.195.154) 272.541 ms  274.972 ms  279.118 ms  9  ix-3-0-9.core3.aeq-ashburn.as6453.net (216.6.51.30)  287.170 ms 281.733 ms  277.584 ms 10  ae2-p140.msr1.re1.yahoo.com (216.115.108.57)  272.322 ms ae1-p150.msr2.re1.yahoo.com (216.115.108.21)  276.266 ms  269.433 ms
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:02 PM, Michael Joseph<MJoseph@safaricom.co.ke> wrote:
I think they are using Tata from Mumbai but I may be wrong. Also comprehensive tests are not complete but nevertheless it gave us an opportunity to experience much faster speeds which can only get better.
Michael
CEO Safaricom Limited
-----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+mjoseph=safaricom.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+mjoseph=safaricom.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Maliti, Tom Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 11:46 AM To: Michael Joseph Cc: ke-users; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Seacom goes live?
Asante sana Brian.
I also pinged while connected to a 1Gbps SEACOM connection last week in Mombasa and got similar numbers to what you got.
The point is this: we have fiber in Kenya but our service providers are not taking it up, even if it is backup. There have been discussions on this list and other fora about the urgency of fiber for a slew of big and small companies as well just you and I to be able to stream video without interruption or spend less time on email (made possible by high speed connections). Somehow our service providers, with the exception of one, do not get that.
Unless of course there are others who already have.
Tom Maliti Correspondent East Africa Bureau
Direct line: +254 20 285 9109 Office line: +254 20 285 9000 Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â +254 734 555 252 Fax: +254 20 2724726 Mobile +254 733 641 984 -----Original Message----- From: Brian Munyao Longwe [mailto:blongwe@gmail.com] Sent: 29 July 2009 11:24 To: Maliti, Tom Cc: ke-users; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Seacom goes live?
Hi Tom,
SEACOM indeed started providing services last week, however the service being provided is not the *complete* SEACOM project.
I understand that what they lit up is the portion that connects SAT-3 in South Africa upto Mombasa - therefore the international link is going via SAT-3. The *complete* system as per their technical drawings connects from Mumbai, India into Djibouti and thence across the EA seaboard. What we have now is more of capacity on their "backup" system. A traceroute or 'ping' across their present link reveals a round-trip-time (RTT) of about 140ms-240ms - this is due to the congestion on SAT-3. A real "end-to-end" fiber system should yield RTT of between 7-30ms.... they, nevertheless called it a "launch"
Needless to say, this is much better performance than the satellite that we are used to, thus the excitement is definitely worth it's while - but it will be much more exciting once the true end-to-end services of either SEACOM, TEAMS or others lights up.
Regards,
Brian
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Maliti, Tom<tmaliti@ap.org> wrote: > Dear Walu, > > It is almost a week since SEACOM went live and there does not seem > to > be that much excitement or response despite the many discussions > that > have been dedicated to broadband on this list. > > Your question at the end of your email is still valid. Or is it > possible our varied service providers were not prepared, > irrespective > of what they say in public? It seems, however, one service provider > was ready: Safaricom. Their service has been on fiber since > Saturday > and anyone who is on their data services has been enjoying the high > speeds that have been talked about for years. > > Does anyone know of any others? > > Tom Maliti > Correspondent > East Africa Bureau > > Direct line: +254 20 285 9109 > Office line: +254 20 285 9000 >                   +254 734 555 252 > Fax: +254 20 2724726 > Mobile +254 733 641 984 > > > ________________________________ > From: kictanet-bounces+tmaliti=ap.org@lists.kictanet.or.ke > [mailto:kictanet-bounces+tmaliti=ap.org@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On > Behalf Of Walubengo J > Sent: 23 July 2009 17:18 > To: Maliti, Tom > Cc: skunk; ke-users; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions > Subject: [kictanet] Seacom goes live? > > http://twitter.com/SeacomLive/ > > Jst reading from Twitter that Seacom has gone live. Not sure if its > only in .TZ though. Any impact in .KE? Ama we are still waiting > for > our very own TEAMS? > > Tunajivunia? > > walu. > > > > The information contained in this communication is intended for the > use of the designated recipients named above. If the reader of this > communication is not the intended recipient, you are hereby > notified > that you have received this communication in error, and that any > review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this > communication > is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in > error, please notify The Associated Press immediately by telephone > at > +44-20-7482-7400 and delete this e-mail. Thank you. > [IP_UK_DISC] > msk dccc60c6d2c3a6438f0cf467d9a4938 > > _______________________________________________ > kictanet mailing list > kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > This message was sent to: blongwe@gmail.com Unsubscribe or change > your > options at > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/blongwe%40gmail.c > om > >
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