High costs are relative so allow me to pass that questions

By not allowing people to be able to communicate (sms across both platforms), it cost more to use other means of third party and really it in some cases leads to loss of business.

Not being able to communicate directly is not only high cost but leads to loss of business...

Eric here


On 26 Nov 2007, at 08:27, Alex Gakuru wrote:

all networks interconnection are subject to CCK thus it has everything
to do with them in fulfilling their legal mandate to protect consumers
especially where outcry are so loud it break many high glass offices
blocks. Further, TKL has been on the press stating otherwise. "In its
letter to Mr John Waweru, the Communications Commission of Kenya
director general, Telkom Kenya is accusing Safaricom of practising
anti-competitive behaviour in the market —especially in the Short
Messages Services (SMS) segment of the business."
http://www.bdafrica.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3703&Itemid=5810

High costs are relative so allow me to pass that questions


On Nov 26, 2007 8:23 AM, Michael Joseph <MJoseph@safaricom.co.ke> wrote:
It has got nothing to do with the CCK but is a commercial issue with TKL Kenya. Both parties are well aware of what has to be done and it is a matter of getting this concluded. Both mobile operators have the same issue.

I do not know what high costs you are referring to.

Michael

CEO
Safaricom Limited



-----Original Message-----
From: kictanet-bounces+mjoseph=safaricom.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+mjoseph=safaricom.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Alex Gakuru
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 8:16 AM
To: Michael Joseph
Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Mobile Government: The New FrontierinTransformingPublic Services - 29th November 2007

Hope is not a bad thing to have but just its just a wish. Until you
finally "finalise" the agreement completely then let high costs bite
deeper and deeper into our pockets.

If we had a CCK that protected consumers this would have happened 2 months ago.

Alex

On Nov 26, 2007 8:06 AM, Michael Joseph <MJoseph@safaricom.co.ke> wrote:




There is no blocking as such. Simply stated the agreements to open up the
SMS interconnectivity have not been completed. We hope that this will be
done soon.



Regards,




Michael



CEO

Safaricom Limited



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From: kictanet-bounces+mjoseph=safaricom.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke
[mailto:kictanet-bounces+mjoseph=safaricom.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On
Behalf Of robert yawe
 Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 7:50 AM
 To: Michael Joseph

 Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Mobile Government: The New Frontier
inTransformingPublic Services - 29th November 2007





Hi,

 I am unable to send an SMS from my safaricom line to CDMA numbers.  Who is
responsible for making sure that we are not blocked from sending messages
across networks.

 Regards




Robert Yawe
 KAY System Technologies Ltd
 Phoenix House, 6th Floor
 P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
 KEnya





Tel: +254722511225






----- Original Message ----
 From: "bitange@jambo.co.ke" <bitange@jambo.co.ke>
 To: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk>
 Cc: bitange@jambo.co.ke; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>
 Sent: Friday, 23 November, 2007 11:20:03 PM
 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Mobile Government: The New Frontier in
TransformingPublic Services - 29th November 2007

 Dear Yawe,
 Welcome to KICTAnet.  Just wanted to know how you got to know that
 Ministry of Information, CCK and ICT Board did not act on the
 Safaricom/TKL sms issue?  Do you know the mandate of these "bodies"?   My
 friend, in the past one year did you not come across the mention of the
 ICT Bill?  I really want to be of help to you but first I want to
 understand where you are coming from.



 Regards

 Bitange Ndemo.




Hi All,

I am new to this mailing list and  would like to start by saying
something
about myself.

I am an Information Technology specialist with over 15 years experience
which means I know how to use DOS, UNIX and other OS's that exist only on
5.25" floppy disks.  My area of specialisation is in design &
implementation of local and wide area networks.

On the issue of mGovernment I do agree that this is the next frontier but
it is shocking, as usual, that we are not embracing the technology or
even
working to develop the necessary legislation to make it flourish.  AS
many
web site designers about WAP and they are lost, we are designing heavy
sites that have no intelligence to identify the type of device accessing
the site and thus adjust the page to display better on the particular
device.

It is interesting that CCK and the Ministry of Information plus the ICT
Board can sit back when the fight between Telkom and Safaricom on the
delivery of SMS messages across the network continues to deny the tax
payer (excise duty on airtime).  Or the fact that none of the mentioned
felt it necessary to educate Mr. Kivuitu on the need to make live
electoral database available over SMS.

Now if we cannot take advantage of this opportunity to create local
content and utilise mGovernment how can we entrust this "bodies" (which
interestingly refers to expired humans) with making the marine cable a
viable project.  Maybe we should cancel the project and use the money to
put up a technology park in Mandera and Garsen.

We do not need to recreate the wheel, just visit yahoomobile,
googleearthmobile, or if you have a GPRS enabled phone try
wap.mystocks.co.ke.  Or next time you are going up towards NIC on Bunyala
Road look at the Nokia advert.

The mobile phone is the future let embrace it or perish.

Robert Yawe
KAY System Technologies Ltd
Phoenix House, 6th Floor
P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
KEnya
Tel: +254722511225

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Dear Kwach,





I agree with you and it is equally
interesting to note that some mobile applications are already being
implementedââ'¬Â¦I


dare say that this part of the world will see more mGovernment in the G2C
(Government
to Citizens) arena than the traditional eGovernment where the PC is the
main service
delivery channel. Most welcome to attend the session.





Kindest regards


Harry

















From: Kwach

Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007
5:51 PM

To: 'Harry Hare'

Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy
Discussions'

Subject: RE: [kictanet] Mobile
Government: The New Frontier in TransformingPublic Services - 29th
November
2007








Hi Harry,





These are interesting statistics and
scenario. For developing countries, there is urgent need to move from
quantity
to quality. In my view, content is the quality because more 65% of
mobiles
are
only meeting social needs and costs involved have got no direct linkage
to
revenue for the owners, which should be a great concern.





With Mobile Government, time and resources
used in the rural to the say Government offices miles away would be
deployed in
other economic activities.





I am keen to attend.





Kwach Akich















[mailto:kictanet-bounces+kwach=archway-productions.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke]
On Behalf Of Harry Hare

Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007
8:49 AM


Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy
Discussions

Subject: [kictanet] Mobile
Government: The New Frontier in TransformingPublic Services - 29th
November
2007








Dear Colleagues,





Mobile services are
quickly emerging as the new frontier in transforming government and
making
it
even more accessible and citizen-centric by extending the benefits of
remote
delivery of government services and information to those who are unable
or
unwilling to access public services through the Internet or simply prefer
to
use mobile devices. In theory, many government services can be now made
available on a 24x7x365 basis at any place in the country covered by
mobile
networks, which today means almost everywhere! Michael, correct me if Im
wrong.





It is from this
background that the World Bank in partnership with eGovWorld 2007
(www.egovworld.com) and African
eDevelopment Resource Centre presents a dialogue on Mobile Government
(mGovernment) on 29th November 2007, 4.30pm -7.00pm at the World
Bank offices, Nairobi. The dialogue is live Video Conference and an
integral
part of the eGovWorld 2007 conference taking place in
 India 29-30 November 2007.





According to the ITU,
the total number of mobile users worldwide as of late 2006 was about 2.7
billion and the number of internet users was just above 1.1 billion. This
means
that there is 33.6%  of world population (and 22.2% of developing
countries population) who already have mobile phones but are not yet
using
the
Internet.






 Does
     this provide a strong case for leveraging the mobile channel to
     dramatically improve access to public services, including electronic
     government services to those who can afford to use a personal or
shared
     mobile phone?
 Does
     this create an opportunity to connect in the near future the next
two
     billion people to some of the benefits of e-government, e-health,
     e-education, e-banking and e-commerce?
 How
     exactly can Mobile Government change the lives of common people in
     developing countries? What are best examples of such impact?
 What
     are the key constraints to making this vision a reality?
 How
     should governments change the way they do business to take advantage
of
     mobile technologies?
 What
     is the role of the private sector? Are there successful business
models
     (e.g. PPP) for private sector companies to deliver value-added
     m-government services?





These are some of the
questions that will be addressed.





Participation to the
event is free; however, one needs to register to get access to the venue.
If
you are interested in participating send an email directly to
for a registration form. Space is limited at the venue, only 20 places
are
available and will be given out on a first-come-first-served basis.
Deadline
for registration is Wednesday 22nd November.








Program:


+++++





Welcome
& Introduction





Samia
Melhem, Senior Operations Officer, Global ICT, World Bank; and
Chair, e-Development Thematic Group


Vikas
Kanungo, Chairman, The Society for Promotion of
e-Governance, India & Convener, eGovWorld 2007





Opening
Remarks/Keynote address





R.
Chandrashekhar, Additional Secretary (e-Governance),
DIT, Government of India





Speakers





Ibrahim
Kushchu, Associate Professor and Director,
Mobile Government Consortium International & Author, "m-Government: An
Emerging Direction in e-Government",
 UK


Hannes
Astok, Member of Parliament & former Deputy Mayor,
 City of Tartu ,
 Estonia








Kindest Regards


Harry Hare


Executive Director


African eDevelopment
Resource Centre


3rd Floor,
 Nelleon Place ,
 Raphta Road ,
Westlands


PO Box 49475
00100, Nairobi


Tel +254 20 4453445


Cel +254 725 650044







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