Hi Evans, all - we have discussed the issue of a statutory body to regulate ICT professionalism on this list in the past and the discussion did not go far. Some said that we would be interfering with "innovation". Some mentioned Bill Gates as a guy who has done much but does not have any professional qualification. Yet others had other stories (e.g. the three blind men story from Brian and his note to Walu on 7/7/08:
I beg to differ. ICT is too large, too deep and too wide to have a single, authoritative, representative body. What you refer to would probably be more appropriate to some of the professional disciplines within the ICT sector e.g. Software Developers Guild, System Administrators Association, CIO/CTO Society - within which there can be certain codes of behavior, ethics, values, best practices etc...
On 10/9/08 on this list I re-introduced the topic of a statutory body such as LSK,ICPAK, ... to guide the ICT profession. In my mail I even included a "draft ICT Professionals Act". The idea received cold water except from Kamotho. One distinction between "profession" and "Industry". In my mind I see statutory bodies as more regulating "profession" rather than "industry". Industry bodies are normally private sector initiatives formed by interested persons to achieve common goals. I can be surprised to hear the government being asked to help set up an "industry" association of any type. Private sector associations engage the government, so how can the same government be involved in their set up? The other axiomatic thing about associations is that the ones that do not deliver invariably die a natural death - and there are many examples of this in Kenya even within ICT. It is not difficult to set up a membership association (just like a Church or Club which are set up under the same "Societies Act"). People cannot be stopped from setting up associations because the Constitution guarantees freedom of association. This means those who have any bright ideas that are not accommodated by existing associations cannot have an excuse or choose to take up the role of professional hecklers of existing associations. Within ICT we agreed some years to accommodate multiple associations which then converge under KEPSA umbrella to offer a unified voice. This I think is working very well as recently exemplified at the Prime Minister's Round Table where ICT issues were very well articulated. With regard to Prof's suggestion to discuss government agencies and private sector associations at the same meeting I think that would create much confusion and even opportunities for red herrings to be thrown around. It is mixing oranges and apples. The word "association" is actually a short form. The exact terminology is "membership association". An association is made up of members who voluntarily come together and run their interests. The members have their own channels to discuss their issues. It does not take much imagination to realize that someone who is NOT a "member" is unlikely to have overflowing goodwill towards (leave alone information about) the association. However, associations face a lot of challenges and a specific get together of associations to discuss best practices and ways of being sustainable and more effective would be welcome. The Business Advocacy Fund is for example doing a great and positive job in the direction of capacity building and funding. Well done to them. Another useful type of meeting is the type you refer to that was held at KICC a couple of years ago where associations can inform a wider audience about their activities and roles and, perhaps, recruit more members. Overall, an associations' meeting should be a focused one and not be mixed up with one for government agencies; and guest list should be expanded from Prof's limiting suggestion of "the plethora of ICT industry associations that are not effective" to include those which are effective so that others can learn from them as well. Waudo www.cskonline.org On Mon, 05 Apr 2010 02:38 -0500, ikua@lpakenya.org wrote:
Dear listers, Did we not have a similar meeting not too long ago? I think it was about two years or so. Cant remember who had organized it but it was there at KICC. Same theme of taking stock of all ICT bodies. Cant remember if the Government agencies were represented.
Not that I have a problem with yet another similar meeting, but we need to clearly set out what we want to achieve with that kind of gathering. Its common knowledge that the ICT industry is awash with all manner of associations/organizations and Government bodies. Isn't it time that we had the sort of organization that we see with other professions like Accountants and Lawyers etc? Isn't it time that the Government created a statutory industry association? This can easily be achieved by such legislation as the policy document presented by the PS the other day, or the Communications Act that was passed not too long ago.
Inasmuch as the Government so believes in the increasing importance that ICT plays in the economy, then its imperative that we have an industry body that would take care of all others, say like a CSK that is recognized by an Act of parliament.
Regards, Ikua
Quoting Mwololo Tim <timwololo@gmail.com>:
Dear all, The discussion needs to be on the institutional framework for ICTs in Kenya, not just on KICTB. It needs to cover KICTB, NCS and DEG/GITS. It also needs to include the plethora of ICT industry associations that are not effective. I can organize such a townhall meeting in Chiromo like the first one. However, for such a meeting to be useful, it needs to be preceded by some guided discussion on the same. Alternatively, one or two persons can prepare presenations to guide the discussions, with these presentations being made available earlier for participants to acquint with them. I am also prepared to be one of those persons. tim
On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 9:10 PM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com>wrote:
Daktari,
Thank you for setting the ball rolling, not sure i saw the document as well it must have been hijacked. A town hall meeting is a welcome idea i second it, Kippra felt sufficiently philanthropic before the last town hall meeting i wonder whether they can double their offer during this easter season, bwn Magolo can we count on you. Walu can set the agenda.
Regards
On 04/04/2010, bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
Barrack, Several posts have come by on the role of ICT and I think it will be wise if we sorted this in a town hall meeting similar to one we had on Malili. Honestly it feels as though some Neanderthal decided to create these agencies without putting some thought to it. Criticisms are good only when you point out where there are gaps.
The other day I posted a policy proposal for comments but only one
did respond. What it means then is that this forum ni ya kuchongoana tu.
Dakitari, with due respect, would you mind resending the policy proposals as a new thread so that interested parties may respond? If sent within this thread, I'm afraid they'll be swallowed along the way.
Which really is unfortunate. I have four other policy proposals that I really think should push through then arouse sufficient interest from
On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 7:28 PM, Solomon Mburu Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com> wrote: person the
membership here.
I also think you should send them so that we react to the contents!
Ndemo.
This is truly "Jicho Pevu", i think some answers to this questions are very much in order as we celebrate Easter, can someone provide us with a list of all agencies involved in ICTs and ICT4D so that we can do some tooth comb analysis, i saw a post from Paul on what the board has achieved early this year, that was very much in order we need something from NCS as well plus any other agencies.
Regards
On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 12:50 PM, Vitalis Olunga <volunga@yahoo.com>
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> There is also another body , National Communications Secretarait. What > is > the diffrence between NCS and ICT Baord and how do the two bodies relate > with respect to advisory services to the governement on ICT matters? > > Regards > > > Vitalis > > ________________________________ > From: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> > To: volunga@yahoo.com > Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> > Sent: Sat, April 3, 2010 12:03:22 PM > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? Hijacked > > Hi, > I rest my case on this issue, the ICT Board is a monolith, Try > reading this... (pdf file), as I feared it is mandated to do anything > and > everything under the sun that could be called ICT which includes your > microwave oven and copier. > Functions of Kenya ICT Board > The core functions of Kenya ICT Board as documented in the Kenya Gazette > Legal Notice No 26 of the May 2007: > ? To advice the government on all relevant matters pertaining to > development, coordination (remember the PM post) and promotion of ICT > industries in the country. > ? Promote both locally and internationally the opportunities for > investments in ICT technology > ? Facilitate and manage ICT industrial incubation parks and technology > parks together with associated facilities on sites, estates and land. > ? Partner with agents within and without the country to carry out such > functions as it may consider necessary. > ? To transform and empower society through deployment and use of ICTs. > ? Carry out any other activity to promote and develop ICT products and > services. > Have a restful Easter as we await the limited range 4G, yes you guessed > it I > still have a 3G issue and I am in Nairobi. > Regards > > > > > _______________________________________________ > kictanet mailing list > kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > This message was sent to: otieno.barrack@gmail.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/otieno.barrack%40gmail.... > >
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