I tend to agree with Dennis on this. I don't think we should beat ourselves around the mall security specifically. From what I read, the attackers shot their way in. The aspect we need to focus on and that needs to be a major concern is: These people transported weapons and went past police checks bribing security officers/agents (according to messages on their twitter handles yesterday) and made their way to this mall. Security at the malls (and many other premises in Kenya and outside Kenya) assumes that these other security systems are functioning. The entry made to the mall is not much different from how they went in to the US Embassy in 1998 (forced entry). Then again, these are personal views. I could be wrong. Regards From: kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+bkioko=bernsoft.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Dennis Kioko Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 9:22 AM To: bkioko@bernsoft.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Have we failed the nation yet again? The issue here is not about scanning - the mall was stormed by a group of heavily armed gunmen. Most security measures are insufficient here - unless you also had a group of heavily armed police to counter such an attack at the mall. On Monday, 23 September 2013, Wambui Kamuiru wrote: Yawe, That is a loaded question that may elicit varied responses. 1. Is the industry responsible for the gadgets used to scan people as they enter Malls and such like places? 2. What kind of technology is hence required to enhance the efficacy of the metal detectors? I have heard that they only detect such things as car keys...? 3. Would a full body scanner such as those found in airports suffice? 4. Can the industry pass legislation requiring all buildings have these body scanners? 5. In the Westgate case (condolences to all affected), what technology can be used in the event that gunmen walk in shooting??? Food for thought On 23 Sep 2013 08:31, "robert yawe" <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk <javascript:_e(%7b%7d,%20'cvml',%20'robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk');> > wrote: Hi, As we console all those who where affected by the happenings at the Westgate Mall over the weekend do we remain blameless as an industry? Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <javascript:_e(%7b%7d,%20'cvml',%20'kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke');> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/phoikamuiru%40gmail.co m The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. -- with Regards: blog.denniskioko.com <http://www.denniskioko.com/>