On point Victor, hence the reason I chose the title of vision 2030 and misplaced priorities, we will continue building infrastructure using debt and use them to dry maize or have our goats which know nothing about return on investment rest on them simply because we allowed those who know why to develop and implement projects without involvement of the affected, I read in a book that he who knows how is always at the mercy of he who knows why, I admit people are losing faith in stakeholder forums and calling them talkshops because there is no one to hold accountable, the leaders blame the citizens yet the citizens try to ensure that they have a comfortable environment so that they can think on their behalf through paying taxes. On 6/7/11, Victor Gathara <vgathara@vimak.co.ke> wrote:
Barack,
I agree that a stakeholder forum would be important in tackling this. But how to prevent it from being just another 'talking shop'. It would need serious buy-in from the most important stakeholders i.e both GoK ministries of health. My feeling is that this is low on their priority list...
Victor
-----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+vgathara=vimak.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+vgathara=vimak.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Barrack Otieno Sent: 06 June 2011 18:33 To: vgathara@vimak.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Of Vision 2030 and Misplaced Priorities
Interesting thoughts colleagues at the beginning of this thread I proposed a stakeholder forum to agree on a framework for implementing the best proposals, two major ICT companies have already developed solutions and are agreeable to public private partnerships, there are people willing to donate their time like Phares, I believe that would be a better way to develop a lasting solution, we have a very proactive Ps and I believe he can bring on board his counterparts from the health sector.
We as a society have a general problem with ethics. Corruption will not be stopped by technology (as KRA have adequately shown http://www.nation.co.ke/business/news/KRA+staff+tamper+with+system/-/1 006/1175610/-/4bvxgl/-/index.html ).
A system of ethics needs to be ingrained in the country. A realization that when you don't do your job/take shortcuts/cut corners/bribe etc the consequences go beyond your immediate short term gain... the fact that such behaviour in the long run, if goes unchecked affects you... I think what's worse for me is that while 'our generation' had a proper grounding in ethics etc and chose to depart from them, the newer generation ships with flawed function i.e. ask an 18 year old if it's wrong to overlap in traffic, he won't agree, it's behaviour he has seen since he was a child...
With regards to software for hospitals, it's rather simple to build and maintain an Open Source cloud based repository and get hosting for it, I guess the biggest question would be whether anyone would use it... I have a background in cloud computing/virtualization etc and would be willing to volunteer my time for the same...
On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 3:39 PM, Josiah Mugambi <jmugambi@gmail.com> wrote:
*Yesterday I watched a documentary titled Facebook Obsession and I liked a statement by a former Facebook employee who said that "at Facebook you do not say I think or I have an idea, what you do is develop a prototype and then present that to your peers"*
Agreed! Let's walk the talk. -- Josiah Mugambi
On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 2:41 PM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk>wrote:
Hi,
Yesterday I watched a documentary titled Facebook Obsession and I liked a statement by a former Facebook employee who said that "at Facebook you do not say I think or I have an idea, what you do is develop a prototype and then present that to your peers"
Such a culture explains why Facebook is as successful as it is and all we do here is cry like suckling babies, if someone has a solution to this issue just develop the app and present it, this theoretical approach to dealing with issues needs to come to a sudden and abrupt end.
I feel we are producing too many theorists in our Universities and its is time we concentrated on practical courses as is done in technical colleges otherwise we are doomed as clerks. Former Presidents Moi was trying to sort this issue out with the 8-4-4 system which we keep trying to kill with no justification.
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
------------------------------ *From:* Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com>
*To:* robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions < > *Sent:* Mon, 6 June, 2011 13:16:59
*Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Of Vision 2030 and Misplaced Priorities
Let me not be mistaken that I am faulting Vision 2030 - thats the topic picked on by Gachagua - rather my concern is in the health sector. Nurses and medical officers usually take over the roles of doctors in many public hospitals , and will always subscribe medicine
On 6/6/11, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> wrote: based on symptoms.
The Labs might not be well equipped for diagnosis on various tropical ailments. As for personnel, we do have some great ones, though it appears our best have already been lured away , see related story http://allafrica.com/stories/201106060136.html
_______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet
Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/jmugambi%40gmai l.com
The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.
KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
_______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet
Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/pkariuki%40gmail .com
The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.
KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
-- With Regards,
Phares Kariuki
| T: +254 720 406 093 | E: pkariuki@gmail.com | Twitter: kaboro | Skype: kariukiphares | B: http://www.kaboro.com/ |
-- Sent from my mobile device
Barrack O. Otieno Afriregister Ltd (Kenya) www.afrire <http://www.afriregister.com>gister.bi, www.afriregister.com<http://www.afriergister.com> <http://www.afriregister.com>ICANN accredited registrar +254721325277 +254-20-2498789 Skype: barrack.otieno
_______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet
Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/vgathara%40vimak.co.ke
The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.
KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
-- Sent from my mobile device Barrack O. Otieno Afriregister Ltd (Kenya) www.afrire <http://www.afriregister.com>gister.bi, www.afriregister.com<http://www.afriergister.com> <http://www.afriregister.com>ICANN accredited registrar +254721325277 +254-20-2498789 Skype: barrack.otieno