Hey Folks, I have lurked in the background for a while and like Wainaina I got a bit lost in the exchanges. But I think one fundamental thread in all this - despite the muddy exchanges - is the question of how do want to engage with Foreign Investors? JM and others may have a point here - despite their strong language. So maybe to bring benefit out of all these, we could indulge for a day or two on the Policy we want as far as Foreign Direct Investments (FDI) into our ICT industry are concerned. Correct me if am wrong but I believe the Government position/policy on this has been that the Foreign investor MUST incorporate a local investor at minimum ratio 20%(local) to 80%(foreign) ownership/equity. I think the members who feel that this should be changed have cases/examples where the local equity/investor failed to come up with their 20% capital and so the opportunity for investment disappears. On the other hand, other members feel that local investors are abundantly rich and can come up with even over 50% of any capital/equity required to invest in the industry. I honestly dont know which side is right and which one is wrong - but what I do know is that there exists cases where the local investors have failed to meet their capital requirements - hence the need to review or interrogate whether this policy is detrimental or indeed beneficial to our industry. Plse lets have objective comments that are devoid of personal attacks and we shall make progress. Otherwise we begin to sound like a broken record. walu. --- On Thu, 10/16/08, gachuhi anthony <gachuhi.anthony@gmail.com> wrote:
From: gachuhi anthony <gachuhi.anthony@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] PS Ndemo, ECONET Scandal aand Vested Interests To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Thursday, October 16, 2008, 8:16 AM Moderator Is there a way off having an online poll to know where we stand maybe from there we may be able to know who is for or against the policies being discussed. Then we can give reasons as I don't think this a list to decide who is more kenyan than the other its about what will affect us all Tony
Dear all,
What is the desired outcome of this very energised
On 10/16/08, Wainaina Mungai <wainaina@madeinkenya.org> wrote: thread? (Select one)
A: That the PS (I&C) announce that policies shall
open, transparent and consultative manner. He also must organise a forum to kickstart non-emotive talks by mid-November.
B: That PS Ndemo resigns and is replaced with a person of your choice.
C: That the Econet licence, Kencall licence and related MoUs, contracts signed by PS (I&C) be cancelled.
D: That all stakeholders Govt., KICTANET, KIF, CA, etc organise an "ICT Investment" policy forum to be held in Nairobi around mid- November 2008.
I hope this shall help us focus on defining and achieving a common goal so that we desist from personal attacks on integrity, racial profiling and so on...
Good day, Wainaina
On 10/16/08, Joseph Manthi <jmanthi@gmail.com> wrote:
Edith,There are some useful lessons - but these lessons do not include:
1. How to give away your national treasures - like bandwidth - to foreign entities just because they say they can not do any business with local entrepreneurs. In fact I know this for a fact, you would never get a license to operate in UAE if this was your argument. Further to this lesson I would like to point to these additional countries that would laugh you out of town if you made that argument - US (some businesses
Defense, Telecommunications (not ISP), Radio & TV), India, Singapore, Malaysia, Taiwan, Hong Kong, China, the whole of Middle East, South Africa, Japan (especially Japan)
2. How not be conned. Kenya seems to heading there with its eyes opened. When a man approaches a woman, it would be a very stupid woman, who knowing what a man is capable of, to accept the BS that
And if she does then she deserves what she gets. Kenya will get what it deserves and very soon. A good example is Russia and its
the Forbes Richest.
3. Great leadership is necessary to grow a country. A leadership with intestinal fortitude to say no under pressure. Top to bottom,
4. That the local mwananchi can invest in their own country and manage its growth
5. That a great nation looks upon its diaspora to grow it - a la Israel and India
6. That a great nation does not wait to be raped twice - We seem to be following a process that will guarantee our raping despite how Kenyan some members of this committee think they are. Its just a matter of time before they pick up their bags and leave. I really do not
national planner I should be putting my eggs in that basket.
Joe
On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 4:55 PM, <eadera@idrc.or.ke> wrote:
Anyone has taken the time to thoroughly study
Dubai's tremendous growth? (U.A.E in general). There are some useful lessons!
---- Original Message ---- From: j.maina@ymail.com To: eadera@idrc.or.ke Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fwd: PS Ndemo,
ECONET Scandal aand Vested
Interests Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 09:03:50 -0700 (PDT)
Lizette
I think that you have racially inclined your mind.
When did KENCALL directors become Kenyans? After getting good friends to bribe their way to this country. And let me tell you that the money the so called investors are using are Kenyan money not money from foreign banks.
They have come and borrowed from Kenyan banks. How much does the most profitable telecomms companies leave in this country, very small amount. We have Telecomms companies which are on their marks. They have very inferior systems and dont actually deliver in service but make billions and run away with the billions.
Dada Lizette, we know that there are Kenyans who are white, black
coloured and all but know that I am a mixed race Kenyan and really sad when our brotehrs have to suffer because of bad policies from people like PS > >JM > > > >----- Original Message ---- >From: Lizette Kraft <lfkraft@gmail.com> >To: j.maina@ymail.com >Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> >Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 1:52:07 PM >Subject: [kictanet] Fwd: PS Ndemo, ECONET Scandal aand Vested Interests > > >Just my two pennies worth here. > >Kenya is not an Island that it can survive on its own even through local investment. Most times we dont have
though about the Government and banks not supporting local investors with loans etc. They must start giving
local expertise and turn them in money making ventures, if only they wouldn't fleece their own companies. Even America, the giant needs investors!!! You all have a valid point but use it for the best interests of Kenya and its people first and foremost. Not just self interest for the few. And by the way Kenyans come in all shapes, sizes, COLOURS, and creed. So please don't generalise who is kenyan and who is not!!! Kencall directors and owners are Kenyan and not outsiders if I understand correctly. When we are taxed whether individually or coorporately, the money is used for Kenya and Kenyans and not for outsiders who invested! Forcing local partnership in foreign owned companies has
its negative and positive effects. This needs to be look at more seriously to make it a win-win situation. It has been known in the past
forced local partnership have been subjected to threats and intimidation by the local partners when
fare share, (given to them mind you). Thus
of being forced now. This does not attract any investor. But the foreigners should not fleece the country either!
Let us have some constructive critisism without being racially inclined. Fight to make things right no matter what but without pinpointing nationalities or colours of
be developed in an like Airline, Military and the man is feeding her. oligarchs - all members of think that as a the secret behind the funds. I do agree them the opportunity to setup that foreign investors with they wanted more than their the weariness o people.
On 10/7/08, John Maina
<j.maina@ymail.com> wrote:
http://www.wananchiforums.com/showthread.php?p=3150#poest3150
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