20 Mar
2013
20 Mar
'13
8:08 a.m.
Does asking the press to examine what they record before the broadcast/publish mean that they are not free? Hmmmm..... On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 5:08 AM, Dick Omondi <Dick.Omondi@ke.airtel.com>wrote: > "Our liberty depends on the freedom of the press, and that cannot be > limited without being lost." Thomas Jefferson. > > On Mar 20, 2013, at 12:16 AM, "bitange@jambo.co.ke" <bitange@jambo.co.ke> > wrote: > > Meshack, > Kenya is a member of freedom on line. This grouping is the one that was > opposed to any on-line censor at the just concluded Dubai conference on > ITRs. We cannot start to discuss on-line regulation as though it was > broadcasting. Let the internet be free. > > What we need is educating our people on some of this freedoms and counter > measures to reduce built up anger. If you ask some people why they are so > angry with their countrymen, some will tell you it is because my brother > was angry at them. > > The British colonized Americans for years and one of their strategies of > control were to scare the Americans through military band playing without > fear into their hide outs. One day the Americans developed a strategy of > wearing jungle green military gear and killed the British as they played > their band into enemy territory. This became a major military strategy > innovation that we use even today. The import of this is a call to duty. > If some people have chosen to scare us in the social media, let us find > our jungle green gear and destroy them. We do not need to control > internet to manage this. You do not always have to fight and just like > Kenny Rogers says; "You do not have to fight to be a man". > > Ndemo. > > > > > > > > > > > > I speak of control at this point how does regulation fit in? > > ------------------------------ > > On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 7:26 AM PDT Brian Munyao Longwe wrote: > > > >>True about Egypt, but that was to extend the Govts iron-grasp on the > >>populace. Is there any country in Africa with as much civil liberty as > >>Kenya? Let us not look the gift horse in the mouth... > >> > >> cell: +254715964281 > >>#*****TRON LIVES*****# > >>On Mar 19, 2013 4:44 PM, "meshack emakunat" <memakunat@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> > >>> > >>> > >>> Just for thought Egypt shut down internet during the Arab uprising in > >>> 2011. > >>> > >>> > >>> ------------------------------ > >>> On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 5:21 AM PDT Grace Mutung'u (Bomu) wrote: > >>> > >>> >Brian, > >>> >I agree with you that the insanity on social media has gone beyond > >>> >mere expression or opinion. The gloves are so off. There are too many > >>> >instances where people are commenting without regard for the rights > >>> >and reputations of others. It is as if the various camps have brought > >>> >out their best propaganda machinery...and it keeps getting nastier as > >>> >the election/ petition proceeds. And the intolerance! Why on earth do > >>> >we have to abuse someone for their opinion? Didn't our foreparents > >>> >fight so hard for plurality? > >>> > > >>> >On agenda four, maybe we missed the bus at the truth and > >>> >reconciliation stop. But all is not lost and it is just wrong for > >>> >people to keep stirring ethnic/sectarian emotions in the name of > >>> >communal anger. Haven't we always been angry? Why is the anger more > >>> >urgent now? > >>> > > >>> >Action should be taken towards those inciting others. I agree with > >>> >Macharia Gaitho, someone needs to stop this social media violence! > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> >2013/3/19 Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com>: > >>> > Emmanuel, > >>> > > >>> > Thanks for setting me straight, this is clear evidence of the > >>> ignorance > >>> I > >>> > alluded to as I began my previous post :) > >>> > > >>> > On a more serious note and once again, thank you so much for bringing > >>> this > >>> > out, Agenda Four is a very critical part of our Nationhood. As you > >>> have > >>> > pointed out, the media might seem to have lost focus, forgotten or > >>> ignored > >>> > it's importance. > >>> > > >>> > But on issues of such grave importance as the Agenda Four - couldn't > >>> it > >>> also > >>> > be argued that all stakeholders have failed in their roles? > >>> > > >>> > The two principals > >>> > International Civil Society > >>> > Local Civil Society > >>> > Various relevant organs of Government > >>> > Legal Fraternity > >>> > Media Houses > >>> > > >>> > Best regards, > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > Brian > >>> > > >>> > On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 12:24 PM, Emmanuel Khisa < > >>> oloo.khisa@googlemail.com> > >>> > wrote: > >>> > > >>> > Hi Brian, > >>> > > >>> > I did not refer to blackout on politicians. > >>> > > >>> > The media has been failing in their role as interrogators of the > >>> deeper > >>> > issues of Agenda four...Please note the following as regards the > >>> national > >>> > accord: > >>> > > >>> > The National Accord > >>> > > >>> > The two parties agreed to tackle four main agenda items to end the > >>> > political crisis and address its underlying causes. > >>> > > >>> > Agenda Item 1: Immediate Action to Stop Violence and Restore > >>> Fundamental > >>> > Rights. > >>> > Agenda Item 2: Addressing the Humanitarian Crisis, and Promoting > >>> Healing > >>> > and Reconciliation. > >>> > Agenda Item 3: How to Overcome the Political Crisis (power sharing). > >>> > Agenda Item 4: Tackling Long-term Issues. > >>> > > >>> > Agenda four addresses the long standing issues of Land, Equity and > >>> other > >>> > causative factors of ethnic violence ( PEV included). This does not > >>> screem > >>> > any politician's name, it simply means this so called Mantra of PEACE > >>> has > >>> > been used to cloud our collective psychie as a country. The problem > >>> with > >>> > this is that today you think Kenya is peaceful just because we are > >>> able > >>> to > >>> > drive around Nairobi and go for our nyama choma sessions in Naivasha > >>> or > >>> > Kajiado...what we forget is that so far we have no report on the Tana > >>> River > >>> > Violence, Baragoi Massacre, Garrisa and NE province violence, > >>> simmering > >>> > conflicts in Kwale and the entire coast...We are all glued to our TVs > >>> very > >>> > ready to embrace "PEACE" while conviniently avoiding the topics > >>> listed > >>> as > >>> > grievances... > >>> > > >>> > So Mr. Munyao, it is very critical that we begin to not use the > >>> > responsibility of Cyber use as a pannacea for all the ills facing the > >>> > country for ventilating we must late people ventilate..and the > >>> institutions > >>> > charged with these responsibilities must use the tones and trends of > >>> > discussion online to map out issues that need addressing...and The > >>> MEDIA > >>> > must be key here....The Agenda Four items will not address themselve > >>> and yet > >>> > it is these issues..longstanding that will slow down the currently > >>> raging > >>> > tribal sentiments on the internet. > >>> > > >>> > My thoughts, > >>> > > >>> > On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 11:55 AM, Brian Munyao Longwe < > >>> blongwe@gmail.com> > >>> > wrote: > >>> >> > >>> >> Please excuse my ignorance but in responding to Emmanuel's input I > >>> don't > >>> >> see the relationship between media's black out on politicians and > >>> the > >>> >> insanity on social media. > >>> >> > >>> >> Let's put this in context - the media blackout affects a select few > >>> - > >>> the > >>> >> political elite who are looking for a platform to push their own > >>> personal > >>> >> and political agendas. The blackout has to a certain extent > >>> protected > >>> >> Kenyans from their inflammatory statements. > >>> >> > >>> >> On the other hand, the social media activity involves hundreds, if > >>> not > >>> >> thousands of individuals who are expressing their personal opinions > >>> (as > >>> >> negative and unsavoury as those might be). I place emphasis here on > >>> >> *expressing their opinion*. The fact that they are using social > >>> media > >>> as one > >>> >> of the channels where their opinion gets aired is simply that, a > >>> matter of > >>> >> fact. I am sure that they express the same opinion in their homes, > >>> over > >>> >> their phones, in their hair salons, bars, classrooms, gyms > >>> etc...This > >>> is > >>> >> because the opinion belongs to them. > >>> >> > >>> >> Let us not be naive and try to separate the opinion from the > >>> individual > >>> >> behind it. That to me, is the more important issue. A tribal tirade > >>> on > >>> >> social media is indicative of a tribal opinion held by an individual > >>> with > >>> >> tribal beliefs. Solve the basic problem of promoting Kenyanness, > >>> unity > >>> and a > >>> >> non-tribal outlook and I believe that strides begin to be made > >>> towards > >>> >> solving the problem. > >>> >> > >>> >> My two cents, > >>> >> > >>> >> Brian > >>> >> > >>> >> On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 10:08 AM, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.ca> > >>> wrote: > >>> >> > >>> >> John F. Kennedy - “Those who make peaceful revolution impossible > >>> will > >>> >> make violent revolution inevitable†> >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> From: Emmanuel Khisa [mailto:oloo.khisa@googlemail.com<oloo.khisa@googlemail.com> > ] > >>> >> Sent: March 19, 2013 9:50 AM > >>> >> To: Edith Adera > >>> >> Cc: oloo.khisa@gmail.com; KICTAnet - Media Editors Forum; KICTAnet > >>> ICT > >>> >> Policy Discussions > >>> >> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Cyber Cop > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> +1, > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> Indeed cyber responsiblilty is not a standalone initiative...cyber > >>> >> exists as a channel for expressing the societal views and does not > >>> therefore > >>> >> exist on its on... > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> The day we realise that gagging the traditional media does not work > >>> in > >>> >> the 21st century internet age we will start making steps to tackle > >>> the > >>> >> difficult issues the SOUL of the country is struggling with. > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> We can make noise about responsible internet use but for as long as > >>> the > >>> >> media blacks out channels of communications, blogsphere will remain > >>> the only > >>> >> media of expression for the populace... > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> IMHO we are a country that is quick to bury its head in the sand and > >>> now > >>> >> we are left with a simmering problem on Agenda 4 which remain > >>> unattended to > >>> >> and which is awaiting an opportune time to explode.. > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> Regard > >>> >> > >>> >> On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 9:09 AM, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.ca> > wrote: > >>> >> > >>> >> Bwana Ndemo, > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> As I reflected on your unenviable job as a “cyber cop†(watching > >>> you on > >>> >> The Trend last Friday) and stumbled on this article by Gaitho > >>> entitled > >>> “The > >>> >> demented postings on social media must stop before blood flows†> >>> >> > http://www.nation.co.ke/blogs/-/446672/1723754/-/ee6vonz/-/index.html > >>> it > >>> >> occurred to me that we probably need something deeper, while we must > >>> address > >>> >> the madness online. > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> You’re on record here advocating for policy/decision-making based > >>> on > >>> >> empirical/research evidence. I recall your spirited campaign about > >>> the > >>> >> Cancer Bill that MPs excitedly passed without the benefit of > >>> scientific > >>> >> evidence as to “the actual cause of cancers in Kenya†. You > >>> argued that > >>> you > >>> >> wished they did not get excited about addressing the symptoms of the > >>> >> problem, but the root cause. > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> As you crack down on cyber haters (to address the symptoms of the > >>> >> problem), could we also ask ourselves a couple of questions > >>> (listers, > >>> feel > >>> >> free to add more questions) to get to the ROOT CAUSE of this ANGER: > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> *why are people so angry? > >>> >> > >>> >> *is this anger only in cyberspace? > >>> >> > >>> >> *If not, to what extent is it a reflection of simmering > >>> (unexpressed) > >>> >> anger on the ground? > >>> >> > >>> >> *what are the implications of unexpressed anger? > >>> >> > >>> >> *why are people comfortable to express such deep anger online and > >>> not > >>> >> offline? What are they afraid of? > >>> >> > >>> >> *How can long-lasting co-existence be achieved, once and for all? > >>> >> > >>> >> * etc etc etc > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> Someone has work to do as we try to address the short-term symptoms > >>> – > >>> is > >>> >> it the academic community? or pollsters can have a post-election job > >>> to do? > >>> >> I don’t know, but the RROT CAUSE, we must find including the > >>> solutions. > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> Reflective Edith > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> _______________________________________________ > >>> >> kictanet mailing list > >>> >> kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > >>> >> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > >>> >> > >>> >> Unsubscribe or change your options at > >>> >> > >>> > https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/oloo.khisa%40gmail.com > >>> >> > >>> >> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder > >>> platform > >>> >> for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy > >>> and > >>> >> regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the > >>> ICT > >>> >> sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and > >>> development. > >>> >> > >>> >> KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable > >>> behaviors > >>> >> online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and > >>> bandwidth, > >>> >> share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect > >>> privacy, > >>> do > >>> >> not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> -- > >>> >> > >>> >> "Service to Mankind is the greatest form of service"... > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> Oloo Khisa > >>> >> P.O. 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The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the > >>> ICT > >>> >> sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and > >>> development. > >>> >> > >>> >> KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable > >>> behaviors > >>> >> online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and > >>> bandwidth, > >>> >> share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect > >>> privacy, > >>> do > >>> >> not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > -- > >>> > > >>> > "Service to Mankind is the greatest form of service"... > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > Oloo Khisa > >>> > P.O. 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