15 Feb
2012
15 Feb
'12
11:54 a.m.
On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 11:45 AM, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.or.ke> wrote: > *"The future belongs to those who believe in the beauty of their dreams."* > > *~ Eleanor Roosevelt* > > * * > > *"May our dreams defy the laws of gravity."* > > *~ H. Jackson Brown, Jr.***** > > * * > > *CAN WE MOVE FORWARD!!* > Amen and Hallelujah! > ** > > ** ** > > *From:* kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto: > kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] *On Behalf Of *Barrack > Otieno > *Sent:* Wednesday, February 15, 2012 11:33 AM > *To:* Edith Adera > > *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions > *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Weird Things ...Konza City?**** > > ** ** > > Robert et al,**** > > ** ** > > Whereas i agree to your positive criticism we run the risk of analysis > paralysis, i attended the town hall meeting at UoN where Dr. Ndemo > presented the title deed for Konza City, during the same meeting i noticed > something that was not so clear to the naked eye and this were vested > interests, there are those who were for it and those who were against it > for whatever reasons yet we ate from the same plate.**** > > ** ** > > Whereas i agree that we may have had a bad history or past as a country , > we must not use this as a compass for our future, remembering the past will > only turn us into pillars of salt, tasteless salt for that matter, must we > compare Konza to the Smart City in Egypt of similar cities in Dubai as Mr. > Mutinda posits? we could as well have something bigger , in any case we are > learning from the mistakes that were made in those countries.**** > > ** ** > > I therefore propose that the project should proceed, we don't need to know > what the future holds otherwise we will defeat the very defination of > innovation, furthermore we are in a new constitutional dispension and we > are likely to have institutional measures and safeguards that will ensure > such projects don't fail as has been the case in the past.**** > > ** ** > > Having attended the presentation on Tatu City at Strathmore University i > noticed the challenges that the planners were facing based on the same > issues being raised by Bobby, what impressed me however is now the project > team was able to convincingly respond to the queries being raised and when > i left i had not doubt it was a great idea, i suppose this is the approach > we should adopt with regard to Konza so that all questions are not lumped > at an individual, i guess the time is also ripe for another townhall > meeting so that stakeholders can engage the project team lest we scuttle > another great initiative, if there is no one to offer space i suggest we > congregate at Uhuru Park, it is close to Dr. Ndemos office.**** > > ** ** > > My two tiles for the technology park **** > > On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 9:54 AM, <godera@skyweb.co.ke> wrote:**** > > Quoting robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk>: > > > Hi again Daktari, > > > > Seems this discussion has been reduced to a two horse race, as no other > > lister seems to want to weigh in their two cents maybe we should take the > > discussion offline it will be more interesting as we can suspend decorum. > > > > In closing the public discussion I ask why didn't you pursue the > approach of > > implementing the project in mouth size bits with the initial stage being > to**** > > > take over the Sameer Park as a spring board to Konza?  I appreciate the > **** > > > politics that killed the location but wouldn't it have been more > practical to > > change the location while maintaining the approach? > > > > My reason for bringing this up is because I have realised over time that > as**** > > > Kenyan's we tend to come up with grandiose plans but we seriously lack > > staying power, except in the marathon.  President Moi reiterated this > when**** > > > he said "that the memory of the Kenyan is only 3 weeks long". > > > > Listers thanks for your tolerance and perseverance. > > > > Regards**** > > >  > > Robert Yawe > > KAY System Technologies Ltd > > Phoenix House, 6th Floor > > P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 > > Kenya > > > > > > Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: "bitange@jambo.co.ke" <bitange@jambo.co.ke> > > To: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk>**** > > > Cc: "bitange@jambo.co.ke" <bitange@jambo.co.ke>; 'KICTAnet ICT Policy > > Discussions' <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> > > Sent: Monday, 13 February 2012, 16:57 > > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Weird Things ...Konza City? > > > > Robert,**** > > > The African story is very complicated. I do not know whether we are > lazy**** > > > as Hon. Kailemi Mwiria noted in his article in the Standard yesterday or > **** > > > we have a third world mentality in first world applications. This > morning**** > > > I was on KISS FM and both presenters wondered a loud how someone can walk > **** > > > on one of these new flyovers and hope to avoid an accident. Are we**** > > > bringing modernity too quickly before our people can adopt urban life? > > Does this knowledge on the gap between modernity and culture stop us from > **** > > > doing those things that will take us forward? How does Africa adopt a > Yes > > we can attitude? > > > > I am sure you know that I do not need anybody to bark for me. I can > take > > care of myself. I am also quite sure that what we want to achieve in > > Konza is within the grasp of our knowldge to sustain it. Yes on > > occassions I have questioned our resolve to finish ignorance. We have > > spent more than 40 years fighting the same. We all have the**** > > > responsibility to ensure that we deal with it as our founding fathers*** > * > > > envisioned. In the developed world you sometimes see similar ignorance > > but they do not speak about it as we do. I found out that we speak**** > > > because some of us are irreversible pesmists. > > > > Have some optimist day. > > > > > > Ndemo. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Daktari, > > > > > > Thank you for the frank response to my question but I ask, now that you > > > know what is right why haven't you remedied the situation? > > > > > > I will give you a short story that might better explain why we cannot > do > > > what you are proposing as relates to Konza unless we as individuals > first > > > change within ourselves. > > > > > > As a technical manager for a IT company many years ago I kept having to > > > inspect equipment for cleanliness as they left the workshop going back > to > > > the client as many of times no one took the effort to clean them well a > > > situation that kept pissing me off. > > >**** > > > > While throwing a tantrum about this issue it caught the attention > of one > > > of the directors of the firm who called me to his office.  He said* > *** > > > > something that remains etched in my mind "how do you expect someone who > > > lives in an unclean environment, by your standards, to appreciate your > **** > > > > level of cleanliness".  I solved the problem by implementing a > procedure**** > > > > on what must be done before any equipment left the premises from the > > > workshop. > > > > > > Daktari, as an individual I believe you share in my faith and must > have an**** > > > > appreciation to why a journey of a few weeks took 40 years.  We > suffer > > > from institutionalised mediocrity, for example, how does the City > **** > > > > Council of Nairobi on one hand say they need to reduce vehicular > traffic > > > while on the other hand they insist that when building residential > houses > > > be it flats or semi detached one must provide the equivalent of 1.5 > > > parking spaces per unit. > > > > > > From my response to Mr. Munyao, it is clear that Konza shall take > > > resources away from other areas which would mean the project shall not > > > create development rather it shall reassign development that was > intended**** > > > > for other areas, what is better known as a zero sum game. > > > > > > Machakos, Wote, Athi River and Kitengela have perennial water*** > * > > > problems > > > imagine how much worse the situation will get once the new City kicks > off.**** > > > >  **** > > > > > > > The countries growing demand for energy and water will not stop until > > > after Konza which is the reason why we must incorporate the project > into > > > the national strategy and stop trying to built a moated castle - with > time > > > the citizenry will build a bridge across. > > > > > > Konza is a great dream, but until all those involved get down from > their**** > > > > ivory towers that is all it shall remain.  I have not asked for any > > > remuneration to praise, criticise or make recommendations, instead > of**** > > > > paying misguided individuals to try and silence my questions and your > > > taking pot shots at my person why not ask the simple question that I > asked**** > > > > Mr. Munyao - for who does he bark? **** > > > > > > > Lets have a realistic week.**** > > > >  **** > > > > Regards > > > > > > Robert Yawe > > > KAY System Technologies Ltd > > > Phoenix House, 6th Floor > > > P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 > > > Kenya > > > > > > > > > Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 > > > > > > > > > ________________________________**** > > > > From: Bitange Ndemo <bitange@jambo.co.ke>**** > > > > To: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> > > > Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> > > > Sent: Friday, 10 February 2012, 19:02 > > > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Weird Things ...Konza City? > > > > > > > > > Robert,**** > > > > Thank you for the clarification. When I built my house, the priority > was > > > to cover myself against rain and sun shine. Walls and the grills to > > > protect me from any lateral attack. Just like my neighbour I knew > nothing > > > about building codes. Today I realize if there is a small fire in my > **** > > > > house, I will not save myself. > > > > > > Such naivety should not be replicated in public buildings in this day > and**** > > > > age. We must begin to develop global standards buildings. That is > why**** > > > > Konza is not just a new city but an exemplar. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > Ndemo.**** > > > > Sent from my BlackBerry® > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > From: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk>**** > > > > Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 06:36:31 +0000 (GMT) > > > To: bitange@jambo.co.ke<bitange@jambo.co.ke>**** > > > > ReplyTo: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk>**** > > > > Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions'<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> > > > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Weird Things ...Konza City? > > > > > > Hi Daktri, > > > > > > Your silence was becoming a concern especially with the headline > yesterday**** > > > > of an impending reshuffle and or reduction of PSs.  **** > > > > > > > Welcome back, I see you thought this post through as it was not done on > > > your portable gadget. > > > > > > I will respond beginning with the last point, I am a great father and > that**** > > > > is not my inflated ego speaking but the opinion of my neighbours. >  My**** > > > > children are the opinion leaders in their peer groups, they dictate the > > > groups direction, they are giving the space to speak their minds, they > are > > > allowed to defend their positions and have been their own thinkers > from an > > > early age. > > > > > > So Dr. Ndemo your daughter will be fortunate to have me as a father in > law > > > and your grand children will have in me a great, insightful and broad > > > minded grand father which are essential to the development of mighty > > > leaders. > > > > > > The cost of rent is going up faster in Kenya than it is in China and > you > > > can take that as fact not opinion because I am an active player in the > **** > > > > real estate realm.  Commercial rent in Upper Hill has rising from > 40/- > > > per square foot 5 years ago to 120/- today.  **** > > > > > > > The cost of land in Nanyuki 3 years ago was 120,000/- per acre, an area > > > that is less than 5 kilometres from the CBD, today the price is over > > > 600,000/-, I will not even try bringing up the issue of Kisumu as it is > > > literally obscene. We are not competitive at all in as far**** > > > > as infrastructure is concerned so please lets stop deceiving**** > > > ourselves > > > on that front, Tanzania is much cheaper and Southern Sudan is more of a > > > blank canvas. > > > > > > As we look at the issue of land and building note that we still build* > *** > > > > using methods and standards that where used > when Buckingham Palace**** > > > was > > > being built, where the Chinese can build a 500 room hotel in 45 days it > **** > > > > would take us 3 years to do the same.  **** > > > > > > > The speed with which they can put up new developments complete with the > > > related infrastructure means that before you finish responding to this > > > post they will have moved 500 kilometres from Shanghai and begun > building > > > a new city, complete with an international airport and a high speed > rail > > > to Beijing, that will offer rents that are equivalent to one third or > less > > > of what we shall be able to offer in Konza in 2015 (you see I can be** > ** > > > > positive).  The entire City will be ready for occupation before we* > *** > > > finish > > > fencing Konza in 2013. > > > > > > On the man power front, we are busy churning out lawyers and**** > > > > administrators clearly we are barking up the wrong tree.  How many* > *** > > > > lawyers and business administrators where there in the team that > launched > > > Apple, Microsoft (1), Google, Facebook, Oracle, Amazon, MPesa, PesaPal, > **** > > > > Virtual City . . .  I am sure someone is already writing a response > to**** > > > > this but note that the microsofts and googles of this world only > brought > > > in the team of lawyers when they where big enough to get sued. > > > > > > Dr. Ndemo it is shocking that you can actual say on an open forum that > > > Kenya is unsafe and that investors should not come until the fenced > City**** > > > > of Konza is ready as it will offer a safe working environment. >  This is**** > > > > an indication that you have moved to that exclusive 1% sector of > society.**** > > > >  **** > > > > > > > From your statement you are actually supporting and confirming what I > said > > > in a previous post on this same issue that Konza shall be surrounded by > > > slums as the land around it is being subdivided into 50 ft x 100 ft > plots.**** > > > >  **** > > > > > > > As an investor I will invest elsewhere for now until Konza becomes a > > > reality at which point I will apply the wise man's principle "only a > fool**** > > > > never changes his mind"  or the political one "in politics there > are no > > > permanent friends or foes".  > > > > > > Even Bill Gates, who initially dismissed the Internet as a > passing**** > > > > cloud, did not hesitate to turn around and take full advantage of the > new > > > opportunity when it became apparent, but he also realised that dealing > > > with IBM however lucrative it seemed on the onset was a marriage best* > *** > > > > forgotten. **** > > > > > > > My question to you and the team pushing Konza is , if today it became > > > clear that the project will have no viable economic impact will you be > man > > > enough to pull the plug? > > > > > > As I indicated above we build castles which require as few entry/exit > > > points as possible, those in the real estate industry have been > fighting > > > for the revision of the the building code since 1987 so as to get rid > of > > > requirements such as the 45 degree pitched roof requirement which is > > > essential in countries where it snows. > > > > > > The plans for Konza will not be vetted by any new team of experts it > will > > > be the same ones who are approving the plans for what we are building* > *** > > > > today and what will be built tomorrow.  City Hall Annexe, Nation > Centre,**** > > > > TelePosta, Nyayo House and many of the high rise buildings in the CBD > are > > > fire traps yet they have had their occupation certificates renewed for > **** > > > > this year.  Daktari I ask you, > > > > > > -  does the kitchen in your house have a fire blanket and > extinguisher? > > >  > > > -  do you have approval for the 7 foot wall around your house? > > > -  when was the last time you where involved in a fire drill?**** > > > > > > > If not you are in contravention of the council by-laws**** > > > and are subject**** > > > > to a fine and instead of us raising issues that have a direct impact on > > > our survival we are keeping the Council in court over issues of parking > **** > > > > metres and mobile toilet effluent discharge charges. **** > > > > > > > I had the opportunity to see the winning design for the campus tower > to be**** > > > > developed at the University of Nairobi and it was most wanting.  The > **** > > > > intellectual elite at the University still got swayed by pomp and > colour > > > like in the case of Konza than function and application of global > > > standards. > > > > > > Strathmore University on the other hand went for the LEED certification > > > right from design stage, please send me the section in the Konza master > **** > > > > plan where LEED certification is mentioned as a requirement?  We > both**** > > > > listened to the presentation about Hydrabad and the issues that arose > > > relating to its development how they where handled, why is it that you > **** > > > > refuse to carry out a SWOT analysis on the Konza project?  We need > to > > > move beyond dreaming towards the reality that is the Kenya we have. > **** > > > > > > > Listers please do not get confused with the presentation you are > seeing in > > > the media, Konza City is still only a piece of empty land, many of you > > > react to my posts as if I am suggesting that we demolish an existing** > ** > > > > structure.  The images on TV are a simulation and are not real.**** > > > > > > > We have massive cultural issues, baggage that we shall carry from > birth to**** > > > > death unless we face our demons and conquer them we shall not > make > > any > > > progress.  Confucius was Chinese and the Chinese child has grown on > the**** > > > > tenets of Confucius we have grown up on the tenets of Wangu wa Makere, > > > Oloibon Lenana, Lwanda Magere and Chief Nikango how can we leverage our > > > cultural heritage to improve our modern lives without trying to ape > other**** > > > > cultures?  **** > > > > > > > For example, it has been proven that no African dialect as a word that > > > means "maintenance" as we did not need it, we buried you inside your > hut > > > and let it waste away while the Maasai . . . . > > > > > > In closing I will respond to my pet issue of my appointment as post > master > > > general, I will start with a quote from the bible "what good can come > out**** > > > > of Nazareth, they said".  **** > > > > > > > PCK is lying flat on its back like an envelop (thanks Ntimama), so I > agree > > > that if I was already PMG it would be on its knees today on the way to > **** > > > > standing up on its own two feet.  **** > > > > > > > Thank you for your confidence, I hope you will act on this as you push > at > > > the next board meeting of PCK for my appointment. > > > > > > With that wise crack I clear my cache and exit the loop. > > > > > > Regards**** > > > >  > > > > > > Robert Yawe > > > KAY System Technologies Ltd > > > Phoenix House, 6th Floor > > > P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 > > > Kenya > > > > > > > > > Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 > > > > > > > > > ________________________________**** > > > > From: "bitange@jambo.co.ke" <bitange@jambo.co.ke>**** > > > > To: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> > > > Cc: bitange@jambo.co.ke; 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' > > > <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> > > > Sent: Thursday, 9 February 2012, 20:39 > > > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Weird Things ...Konza City? > > > > > > Robert, > > > Had we hired you as PCK Chief with this kind of pessimism, the**** > > > > organization will be on its knees. I see no reason for celebrating > > > contradictions of our policy makers. We have traveled this road > before > > > and came through. You recall the registration of Teams that almost > > > derailed the entire process. > > > > > > Our culture lets us down in every aspect. We treasure negativity > and > > > pray > > > that one falls in every positive step that is made. When Confucious > **** > > > > said, > > > " a journey of 1,000 miles starts with one step", he meant that that > you > > > should not look at the challenges of covering the 1,000 miles but the* > *** > > > > opportunities of moving at least one step. Yes we have seen white* > *** > > > > elephants but that does not mean we don't try. > > > > > > Two of the world's outsourcing companies have been around searching for > > > real**** > > > > estate to rent. Two months there is not one building in Nairobi > that > > > meets international standards. Large buildings have only one fire* > *** > > > escape > > > that if there was fire, people will die not from fire but because > there is**** > > > > no exit. Just look at any ceiling to check if there are water**** > > > > sprinklers. > > > Some fancy buildings have only one toilet in a floor that accomodates* > *** > > > > more than 300 people. I could say more.. > > > > > > Konza is not in any threat. This is our future where we shall > create > > not > > > only employment but a safe work environment. I would bet that > Robert**** > > > > will > > > be among the first to seek opportunities at Konza. > > > > > > In the same paper that Robert extracted the Konza story from there was > **** > > > > another story about the rise of rental cost in China. A clear**** > > > > opportunity > > > for us to start offering affordable destination and making it > competitive > > > through partnership in capacity development (Read Carnigue**** > > > > Mellon**** > > > > University Partnership). > > > > > > Honestly as liberal I have said to myself that I will never intervere > with > > > my daughter's choice of boyfriend but if I find her with Robert's son, > I**** > > > > will talk her out of it. Robert if you continue like this, you will > **** > > > make > > > a bad father in law. > > > > > > > > > > > > Ndemo. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Hi, > > >> > > >> Konza = public land = freeze by Orengo = national lands commissioner = > > >> spanner in the works > > >> > > >> > >**** > > > http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/-/539552/1323050/-/56yje2z/-/index.htmlÃâ > €šÃ‚ > > >> > > >> > > >> Regards > > >>  **** > > > >> Robert Yawe > > >> KAY System Technologies Ltd > > >> Phoenix House, 6th Floor > > >> P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 > > >> Kenya > > >> > > >> > > >> Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 > > >> > > >> > > >>**** > > > > ________________________________ > > >> From: Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke>**** > > > >> To: 'robert yawe' <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> > > >> Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> > > >> Sent: Wednesday, 8 February 2012, 11:06 > > >> Subject: RE: [kictanet] Weird Things ...Konza City? > > >> > > >> > > >> Robert**** > > > >>  > > >> I can’t argue with your points… > > >>  **** > > > >> We need realists. However having said that the suggestion would be to > > >> not > > >> shy aware from such developments but to ensure that mechanisms are put > > >> in**** > > > >> place that we don’t have another Buruburu, Dandora > on our > > hands. > > >> > > > Ã‚ > > >> Guys, it’s good to be skeptical but its better still > to > > offer > > >> solutions > > >> to avoid such eventualities. That’s why Risk > Management**** > > > will be a > > >> critical aspect of such potentially paradigm shifting endeavors.**** > > > >>  **** > > > >> Robert, we need your contrarian view points. Please do not lose that.. > **** > > > >>  > > >> PS. I am old enough to know what happened in Eastlands…J > > >>  > > >>  > > >>  **** > > > >> Ali Hussein|Managing Partner > > >> > > >> Telemedia Africa > > >> Azania Technology Group > > >> Chaka Court, Argwings Kodhek Road**** > > > >> P O Box 14556-00100**** > > > >> +254 773/713 601113 > > >> Nairobi, Kenya**** > > > >>  > > >>  > > >> Twitter: @AliHKassim > > >> Skype: abu-jomo > > >>  > > >>  **** > > > >> From:robert yawe [mailto:robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk] > > >> Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 10:40 AM > > >> To: Ali Hussein > > >> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions > > >> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Weird Things ...Konza City?**** > > > >>  > > >> Hussein, > > >>  **** > > > >> Interesting that you bring up Buru Buru where I lived from the age of > 5 > > >> years, when there where picket fences, kids swings, slides and nanny > > >> parks, until I left at the age of 18 when there were 7 foot stone > fences > > >> with broken glass toppings, churches and bars in the places where I > once > > >> swung, metal sheet granny houses and even entire houses demolished and > **** > > > >> replaced with beacon to beacon multi story structures. > > >>  **** > > > >> Living in Buru Buru & going to school in Eastleigh I commuted from 1st > > >> Avenue, through Juja Road and then down Outer Ring Road watching the > > >> landscape**** > > > > change.  I watched as Huruma went from a lovely middle class > **** > > > >> development to what it is today, Dandora transformed from a well > thought > > >> out cluster development to the multi story structures you see today > and > > >> then Umoja which well there is nothing to explain it.**** > > > >>  **** > > > >> All this happened right under the nose of a President, UNEP, Habitat, > > >> City > > >> Council of Nairobi, AAK, ISK, IEK, UON, Ministry of Housing, Ministry > of > > >> Public Health, Ministry of Public Works, Parliament, Kenya Airforce > and**** > > > >> many others who could have stopped the carnage.  > > >>  **** > > > >> Go to the areas around Konza, or just read the classifieds in the > > >> dailies, > > >> and watch the subdivision of plots from the initial seven acre parcels > > >> to**** > > > >> plots of as small as an eight of an acre (50 x 100).  We are* > *** > > > already > > >> replicating Nairobi only that now it is being done in reverse,**** > > > > beginning**** > > > >> with the surrounding slums and hopefully end with the glassy > > >> skyscrapers.**** > > > >>  > > >>  **** > > > >> The road to Konza shall be literally lined with slums**** > > > and shanties,**** > > > >> then > > >> we shall have proposals to allow helipads, overpasses, windowless high > > >> speed trains and overhead cable cars to get the investors in and out > of > > >> the technopolis without exposing them to the unsightly developments.* > *** > > > >>  **** > > > >> Also lets not forget that we have been unable to handle national > > >> projects > > >> to date yet we had a central government, come sometime in August 2013 > we > > >> shall have 47 little governments all with their specific interests and > > >> agendas, what is the likelihood that Konza will get the support > required > > >> to make it work?**** > > > >>  **** > > > >> Imagine Buru Buru happened to an estate that was fully developed, I > saw > > >> it > > >> and you and many might be too young to have**** > > > > lived through > > >> the destruction of a brilliant project but I was, so > maybe**** > > > you can > > >> now > > >> better understand my skepticism when it comes to our ability as a > nation > > >> to control the development of a 5,000**** > > > acre piece of empty > > >> piece land. > > >>  **** > > > >> I am not a pessimist I am a realist, let the dreamers prove me wrong > > >> when > > >> I have history backing my position.**** > > > >>  > > >> Regards > > >>  **** > > > >> Robert Yawe > > >> KAY System Technologies Ltd > > >> Phoenix House, 6th Floor > > >> P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 > > >> Kenya > > >> Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 > > >> > > >> ________________________________ > > >> > > >> From:Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> > > >> To: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> > > >> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> > > >> Sent: Tuesday, 7 February 2012, 19:02 > > >> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Weird Things ...Konza City?**** > > > >>  > > >> Robert > > >>  > > >> I would like to be more optimistic about Konza. **** > > > >> > > >> What you are describing is a Buruburu type land grab and I'm sure that > > >> isn't what was intended for Konza.**** > > > >>  **** > > > >> Have some faith my brother... In fact I think Robert there is room for > > >> speculation... Though I suspect not in the way we are used to... Think > > >> Speculation 3.0 with a dash of new tech... :)**** > > > >>  > > >>  **** > > > >> Ali Hussein > > >> Managing Partner > > >> Telemedia Africa > > >> Azania Technology**** > > > > Group > > >> +254 773/713 601113 > > >>  **** > > > >> "You generally hear that what a man doesn't know doesn't hurt him, but > > >> in**** > > > >> business what a man doesn't know does hurt.". - E. St. Elmo > Lewis,**** > > > >> member, Advertising Hall of Fame > > >> > > >> On Feb 7, 2012, at 3:14 PM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> > wrote: > > >> @Walu,**** > > > >>> **** > > > >>>In short what the AG said was that government land cannot be assigned > to > > >>> an individual or entity but must be offered to the general public.** > ** > > > >>>  The**** > > > >>> statement was initially targeted at the Airtel/Postal/IBM deal of the > > >>> plot opposite Yaya Centre but it spoke volumes as it gave a precedent > > >>> for > > >>> the way forward as relates to government land.**** > > > >>> **** > > > >>>Konza is government land and is and will be governed by**** > > > > the law of the**** > > > >>> land as relates to such resource, therefore if Microsoft wanted to > put > > >>> up > > >>> a campus in Konza on a 20 acre plot the government would have to > tender > > >>> for its sell.**** > > > >>> **** > > > >>>At which point Yawe and Co-speculators Inc. will tender and likely win > > >>> as**** > > > >>> we shall play the nationalist, county and tribe card.  We > will**** > > > then > > >>> offer the same land to Microsoft at an inflated price who will reject > > >>> the > > >>> offer and opt to locate to the Lakeview Techno City next to RIAT with > **** > > > >>> views from the largest fresh water lake offering water sports. >  > > >>> **** > > > >>>My group and I will then subdivide the 20 acres into broty of 50 x 100 > **** > > > >>> and sell them to the public to recover our investment. >  Visit the**** > > > >>> area > > >>> around Bamburi and London Distillers in Athi River/Mavoko area for a > > >>> living and breathing**** > > > > example of what Konza will look like by the year > > >>> 2020, it is even more pronounced from GoogleEarth.  > > >>> **** > > > >>>That was the initial location of the EPZ before it was felt necessary > to > > >>> relocate the same 2 kilometres down the road into Rift Valley > Province.**** > > > >>>  The architect of that relocation is an aspiring presidential > **** > > > >>> candidate, > > >>> what stops him from relocating Konza if he wins the election?**** > > > >>> **** > > > >>>Let us not blind ourselves to the reality and return to the Kenya we > > >>> know, the EPZ continues to struggle many years later, JKIA remains > with > > >>> hundreds of empty plots still being held onto by prospective > investors > > >>> who where allocated the land over 30 years ago, Baba Dogo is turning > > >>> into > > >>> a large residential area and the KIE sheds in Industrial Area have > > >>> become > > >>>**** > > > > stores. > > >>> **** > > > >>>Runda Closeburn will definitely fly, Tatu will limp along for a while > > >>> but > > >>> Konza will be a still birth.**** > > > >>> > > >>> **** > > > >>>What is the strategy for Konza and can someone answer these questions > > >>> for > > >>> us? > >**** > > > >>>           > **** > > > will the land be sold to > > >>> prospective investors > > >>> better known as speculators or leased to investors? > >**** > > > >>>           > **** > > > will the government > > >>> allocate the land to > > >>> prospective investors a.k.a Karurarists? > >**** > > > >>>           > **** > > > how long will it take to > > >>> develop the > > >>> infrastructure noting that Nairobi still cannot provide sufficient > > >>> water, > > >>> sewerage services and**** > > > > electricity to its residents 200 years down the > > >>> road? > > > > >>>           > **** > > > when the infrastructure is > > >>> complete and the land > > >>> allocated how long will it be before the first tenant moves in? > >**** > > > >>>           > **** > > > if the first tenant moves > > >>> in sometime around 2030 > > >>> will the concept still be viable? > >**** > > > >>>           > **** > > > is the rest of Africa, > > >>> Asia, Eastern Europe and > > >>> the Maldives sleeping? > >**** > > > >>>           > **** > > > once Raila becomes > > >>> President, after beating a > > >>> joint force of Kalonzo, Uhuru & Ruto, what is the likelihood that he > > >>> will > > >>> allow that level of national resources to be**** > > > > spent in that region instead**** > > > >>> of relocate the same to for example Nyanza where there is already an > > >>> International Airport, is closer to Southern Sudan, the residents > speak > > >>> fluent english plus has english like names to boot, it is**** > > > >>> a marginalized county (highest child mortality rate) > and**** > > > it gave > > >>> him > > >>> their vote as a block?**** > > > >>> **** > > > >>>Until we get a comprehensive report from the various players**** > > > >>> i.e. treasury, ministry of > > information, ministry of lands,**** > > > >>> AG's > > >>> Chambers, local government, county representatives and the President > > >>> the**** > > > >>> project shall remain as dead as a dodo irrespective of how > many > > >>> flashy > > >>> advertisements are run by a sub-entity of > > a sub-entity of a**** > > > >>> substantial participant in the project.**** > > > >>> **** > > > >>>Walu, in your case which**** > > > > ever way it goes nothing affects your setting up**** > > > >>> a lab, but if I was the University I would look at putting up an > entire > > >>> self sufficient campus.**** > > > >>> > > >>>Regards > > >>> > > >>>PS.  China government is to build 1000 houses in Kisumu plus > any**** > > > >>> other > > >>> projects that they deem necessary to giving Kisumu the status > becoming > > >>> of > > >>> a City.**** > > > >>> **** > > > >>>Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O > Box > > >>> 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 > > >>> > > >>>________________________________ > > >>> > > >>>From:Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> > > >>>To: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> > > >>>Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy**** > > > > Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>**** > > > >>>Sent: Tuesday, 7 February 2012, 11:04 > > >>>Subject: Re: [kictanet] Weird Things ...Konza City?**** > > > >>> > > >>>@Yawe, > > >>> > > >>>u seem to b on the inside loop on this one. Konza City, > > >>> scuttled? I**** > > > >>> had advised my boss to book a university lab there and now I might > need > > >>> guidance on what next? > > >>> > > >>>And thats me as a local stakeholder, what of the international > > >>> stakeholders - what would they make of your statement? > > >>> > > >>>walu. > > >>> > > >>>--- On Mon, 2/6/12, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > > >>> > > >>>From: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> > > >>>Subject: Re: [kictanet] Weird Things ... > > >>>To: jwalu@yahoo.com > > >>>Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> > > >>>Date: Monday, February 6, 2012, 5:25 PM > > >>>Listers,**** > > > >>> **** > > > >>>Are we seriously having this discussion, please leave certification to > > >>> institutes of education such as Universities who already issue > degrees > > >>> in > > >>> computer science and the like.**** > > > >>> **** > > > >>>This is just another tax guzzling scheme like the Konza adverts being > > >>> run**** > > > >>> on TV yet the AG has already scuttled the project, > > >>> > > >>>We are aware > > > that all the great software applications developed over the > > >>> past 3 decades have been done by enthusiasts or as Philip > Ochieng > > >>> recently clarified amateurs, a situation that is not about to > > change > > >>> any > > >>> time soon. > > >>> > > >>>KICT eat in peace. > > >>> > > >>>Regards > > >>> > > >>>PS.  Liko lets go look for something more productive to do > with**** > > > our > > >>> time, wachana na mambo ya certification na business**** > > > plans.  > > >>> **** > > > >>>Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O > Box > > >>> 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 > > >>> > > >>>________________________________ > > >>> > > >>>From:Agosta Liko <agostal@gmail.com> > > >>>To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk > > >>>Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> > > >>>Sent: Sunday, 5 February 2012, 14:00 > > >>>Subject: [kictanet] Weird Things ...**** > > > >>> **** > > > >>>Samsung launched its 2nd Engineering Academy with a local Educational > > >>> Institution > > >>> > > >>>The ICT Board on the other hand is working with a Foreign Institution > to > > >>> launch a Kenyan software development certification > > >>> > > >>>:) > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>_______________________________________________ > > >>>kictanet mailing list > > >>>kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > > >>>http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > >>> > > >>>Unsubscribe or change your options at > > >>> > > > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/robertyawe%40yahoo.co.uk > > >>> > > >>>The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder > platform > > >>> for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and > > >>> regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the > ICT > > >>> sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and > > >>> development. > > >>> > > >>>KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors > > >>> online that**** > > > > you follow in real life: respect people's times and**** > > > >>> bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, > > >>> respect > > >>> privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. > > >>> > > >>>-----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > >>>_______________________________________________ > > >>>kictanet mailing list > > >>>kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > > >>>http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > >>> > > >>>Unsubscribe or change your options at > > >>> > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/jwalu%40yahoo.com > > >>> > > >>>The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a**** > > > > multi-stakeholder platform**** > > > >>> for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and > > >>> regulation. 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The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the > ICT > > >>> sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and > > >>> development. > > >>> > > >>>KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors > > >>> online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and > > >>> bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, > > >>> respect > > >>> privacy, do**** > > > > not spam, do not market your wares or**** > > > >>> qualifications._______________________________________________ > > >> kictanet mailing list > > >> kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke**** > > Robert, > > I don't think your comments need tolerance or patience. > I believe it is very healthy and constructive to debate on such pertinent > issues. It brings out various factors that may not have been considered or > that > may still be salvaged. In my view, thinking through your comments should > light > up some bulbs. > Your main query,if I understand you well,is whether our country strategy to > develop the industry is on the right track. > I have had many discussions with both local and international industry > stakeholders and encountered exactly the same comments/queries so I am not > surprised to hear you raising them. > I think listers should give their comments,suggestions, opinions on this, > even > though it is in progress. > Many good ideas are likely to spring from this. > > Regards, > > Gilda Odera**** > > > >> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > >> > > >> Unsubscribe or change your options at > > >> > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bitange%40jambo.co.ke > > >> > > >> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder > platform > > >> for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and > > >> regulation. 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