Hi All, Law and policy seldom exist in a vacuum. Does anyone know anywhere in the world where the kind of regulation or ICT standards being anticipated to be used to weed out quacks have been used successfully? Successfully here being key, which means no victimization of those without any certifications that may exist; startups; or those just playing around and happen to stumble on something that may end up taking the world by storm; and by no means a way to stifle internet freedoms. Anyone knows where such a model exists? My two cents. Beryl Aidi On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 9:41 PM, Waithaka Ngigi via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
In summary... ICT is "...A coalition of The Willing..."
Waithaka Ngigi
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Exactly! ICT is a disruptive sector. It is unfortunate when we attempt to define it as one would engineering, or architecture, or survey. The action - reaction - feedback - correction continum time wise is soo tiny. A decision for instance in some of these association, say which colour to paint a wall might take four months.
I would still ask, what is the problem we are trying to solve? If this can be defined we should be in a position to find solutions collectively.
On 1 Dec 2016 21:12, "Mwendwa Kivuva" <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com> wrote:
The said procurement quacks are like Josephine Kabura. But they are not really quacks because they work as conduits for their masters in high places.
If it was possible to weed out "quacks" from the industry, the said masters would still use the "professionals" to commit heinous crimes.
Show me major scandals in Kenya conducted by quacks and I will show you a liar. Goldenberg, Anglo-leasing, euro bond...
On Dec 1, 2016 7:36 PM, "Collins Areba via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
I believe regulation should only be present where there is a limited, shared resource that might be subject to abuse. Short of having a set of rules: don't test an EMP in a built up area, don't access government servers even if their passwords are admin, admin. Don't give the president's number on twitter, etc etc etc. That is progressive legislation.
On 1 Dec 2016 18:24, "Collins Areba" <arebacollins@gmail.com> wrote:
Dorcas: show me the chaos. Then we discuss order.
On 1 Dec 2016 18:17, "James Muendo" <james@muendo.co.ke> wrote:
Collins,
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On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 6:15 PM +0300, "Collins Areba via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Personally I seek examples of the damage done by the said quacks that
professional institutions haven't done. The distinct point of departure which will show the distinct difference so as to justify regulation.
On 1 Dec 2016 17:32, "waudo siganga via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
> Kivuva, you forgot Zuckerberg. > > On Thu, Dec 1, 2016, at 11:47 AM, Mwendwa Kivuva via kictanet wrote: > > College drop outs who rule the world. > > Michael Saul Dell, William Henry “Bill” Gates iii, Paul Gardner > Allen, Lawrence Joseph Ellison, Stephen “Woz” Wozniak, Steven Paul Jobs, > Robert Edward “Ted” Turner iii > http://lord.me.ke/college-dropouts-who-rule-the-world/ > > I wonder who among those would be considered an ICT pro in Kenya. > > ______________________ > Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya > twitter.com/lordmwesh > > > > On 1 December 2016 at 12:03, Ali Hussein via kictanet < > kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: > > The real important question has not been answered. Not since the > term ICT started being used. > > WHO IS AN ICT PRACTITIONER? > > And who is this WATCHDOG who will abrogate himself/herself the role > of GateKeeper and RentSeeker? > > Ali Hussein > Principal > Hussein & Associates > +254 0713 601113 <+254%20713%20601113> > > > Twitter: @AliHKassim > > Skype: abu-jomo > > LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim > > "Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and > thinking what no one else has thought". ~ Albert Szent-Györgyi > > Sent from my iPad > > On 1 Dec 2016, at 10:51 AM, Athar Ahmad Bhatti via kictanet < > kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: > > > Brian they will implant a chip in your brain and track your IQ to > see whether you are fit for IT. Whereas the millennial generation will lose > most as they are hands on. > > Athar Ahmad Bhatti > +254726488311 <+254%20726%20488311> > > > > On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 10:43 AM +0300, "Brian Muhia via kictanet" < > kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: > > > This is only to be applied to people trying to do contract jobs for > the government, right? > > On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 10:27 AM WANGARI KABIRU via kictanet < > kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: > > Blessed Thursday! > > Might the sector be getting its shape? > > Private schooling started as an innovative approach to education - > now we even have more innovative home schooling and best practice > approaches. Healthcare etc > > Who has helped to weed out quacks proactively in most instances - it > is the industry associations working with the governments. An angle to > borrow from. > > "....He said the authority will in the next couple of weeks launch > ICT standards where every professional in the field seeking to serve public > service must comply. > “One of the things which we are doing very soon in the next couple > of weeks, is that we shall be launching ICT standard, these are ICT > national standards and we plan on having them effective from first of > January and based on that vendors will have to comply with the standards,” > said the CEO, adding that those who will not comply to the standards will > be blacklisted..." > > How might the players engage in the discourse to give it shape while > keep its jelly-nature? > > Be blessed. > > Regards/Wangari > > --- > Pray God Bless. 2013Wangari circa - "Being of the Light, We are > Restored Through Faith in Mind, Body and Spirit; We Manifest The Kingdom of > God on Earth". > > > On Thursday, 1 December 2016, 8:43, Ahmed Mohamed Maawy via kictanet > <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: > > > Well in this case this dog could come biting back at the same people > who unleashed it. That is if we take into consideration how our > institutions are run. > > On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 7:36 AM, Ali Hussein via kictanet < > kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: > > Listers > > All Information Communication and Technology (ICT) professionals > will now be vetted to weed out quacks and sanitise the industry, ICT > Authority chief executive officer Robert Mugo said yesterday. > He said the authority is alarmed by the rising of cases of > individuals and groups masquerading as ICT experts seeking to tender for > services in the counties. > Read on:- > > *FastMail WARNING: URL text and host don't match, possible phishing > attempt. URL disabled. Original URL='http://www.mediamaxn > <http://www.mediamaxn>etwork.co.ke/people- > <http://etwork.co.ke/people->daily/277875/ict-authority-weed-quacks/'. > Original text='http://www.mediamaxnetwork.co > <http://www.mediamaxnetwork.co>. ke/people-daily/277875/ict- > authority-weed-quacks/'. 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