Eric Food for thought. To understand how this may go its worth watching the fiction TV series 'Person of Interest' https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Person_of_Interest_(TV_series) Far fetched? That's the level AI can can reach. I remember watching Will Smith's 'Enemy of the State ' back in 1998 and the Genre for the movie then was Science Fiction. Everything that was fiction then has come to pass - From drones to the ubiquitous CCTV cameras all over the world.. Food for thought.. Ali Hussein Principal Hussein & Associates +254 0713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but a habit." ~ Aristotle Sent from my iPad
On 1 Mar 2017, at 10:25 AM, Eric M K Osiakwan via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
The other day, my buddy David Pearson and I visited his mentor Bob Doyle who is an information philosopher (has become my friend as well) and his son Jeremy in their VR studio and after playing with the toys we sat to discuss VR, AI, AR and Robots and in that convo Bob postulated that Robots “could” develop their own free will - that scared the hell out of me and for the rest of that afternoon I would dwell on that thought deep into my sleep that night.
Robots are currently slaves to humans but we know that robots have better eyesight, can work longer and better hours etc than humans so the import of Bob's postulation is that when (not if) Robots develop "free will” the master servant relationship would switch where we humans would become slaves to robots - I woke up the following day with this thought then it became clear to me why Elon Musk is worried that his friend Larry Page could destroy human kind and in the book “Elon Musk” by Ashlee Vanee, page 3 (Elon’s World) I quote “…He opened up about the major fear keeping him up at night: namely that Google cofounder and CEO Larry Page might well have been building a fleet of AI-enhanced robots capable of destroying mankind. “I’m really worried about this, “ Musk said….” - I have also being worried since.
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On Mar 1, 2017, at 1:39 AM, Admin CampusCiti via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Alex
Surgeons are finding it a lot easier to do surgery today using robots...
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On 1 Mar 2017, at 8:21 AM, awatila--- via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Can a robot really take a doctors job?
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In a related topic, here are the 5 jobs robots will take first: https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/5-jobs-robots-take-first-shelly-palmer?trk=eml-email_feed_ecosystem_digest_01-hero-0-null&midToken=AQFVkI2BeqJI7g&fromEmail=fromEmail&ut=1P1hcNFzkBwnE1
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On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 5:14 PM, Ahmed Mohamed Maawy via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: I have a couple of concerns about this specific issue: Firstly, robots do not do everything a person does. That said that is why robots are "assisted" by human elements. The robots are only an extension of the human function to make it "more efficient". In most cases a robot is specialized in one specific line item duty. If they are placing a wheel on a car in the plant they don't place a wheel on a car and go on to record it in a book somewhere. They do just that. They did not go to school to learn manufacturing processes. Secondly, what would be termed as a robot (without abusing the term). Is my WiFi modem a robot? Is my blender a robot? Is my car also a robot?? Thirdly, are robots employed or purchased? (I thought VAT on buying and maintaining robots was already a thing) Not entirely for this idea for sure.
On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 5:05 PM, Admin CampusCiti via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: No doubt. That we need to ensure that we hold our government to account on how they spend our taxes and wherever we can we need to chip in and help the disadvantaged. We should be our brothers' and sisters' keepers.
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On 28 Feb 2017, at 4:54 PM, Mwendwa Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com> wrote:
That is true Ali. Human will have to develop skills needed in this evolving society. But we should remember in every society, there still will be the F student. There will be the elderly, and most importantly, the peasants. Those with skills will prosper. But we need social nets for the disadvantaged, and those who life has served them only lemons. This category will always be there in every society
On Feb 28, 2017 3:49 PM, "Admin CampusCiti" <info@campusciti.com> wrote: We also need to consider the fact that humans need to upscale their competencies to enable us to live in this Information and data driven world. Going forward we will see more and more skilled workers stepping up to do more important work higher the value chain.
In the scheme of things we tend to forget this important aspect. AI, MI etc are human instigated and human will remain at the top of the food chain.
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On 28 Feb 2017, at 3:06 PM, Mwendwa Kivuva via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Your point is very good Mark Elkins.
I think Bill Gates is trying to simulate such a debate ... on what is the role of humans in an automated, mechanized, and robotized society. Traditionally, human labour has been considered as a factor of production. If we declare millions of human labour redundant, and there are no security measure build around it, where will humans go? How will they earn their food, education, healthcare, and shelter? Taxation is such a measure that build social security net around humanity. So that the robots can produce, and the enterprises pay government for upkeep of it's people, instead of hoarding the end products of robots in vaults, and other forms of securities. ______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya twitter.com/lordmwesh
On 28 February 2017 at 15:46, Mark Elkins via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
I do agree though that if automation removed the jobs of existing people, they should be somehow compensated - either moved to a new job internally or re-trained or something positive. Usually with automation, the company can be expanded (make more profit) - which should mean more human staff. That would be the ethical thing to do. I don't see this as a tax though.
On 28/02/2017 13:33, Mark Elkins via kictanet wrote:
This is probably the best reply so far!
Personally, a robot is a tool. This could be my coffee maker making a cup of freshly ground coffee rather than a human taking the beans, grounding them with stones, adding them to boiling water - etc... all by hand. Agh.
On 28/02/2017 11:19, awatila--- via kictanet wrote:
I think in the discussion the original purpose of taxation is forgotten.
A human being pays tax to the government to cover the cost of the common services provided by the government.
What are this services that the robot will be consuming from the government that they need to pay for?
Regards,
Alex
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During the Industrial Revolution, critics of mechanisation would use similar arguments. Advances in technology should be embraced.
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Barrack,
Am in business and I know it's the bottom line that counts at the expense
of people.
Now we further what to fire the already strained employee replace them with
a robot
for a fatter bank account and cash you don't need.
I believe Bill Gates been the billionaire he is has realised you can have
all the cash
and wealth you can get but it all without meaning what really matters is
the humanity.
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