Am still seething.... Bw Ps, is there any way we can convince these investors to come back. I sincerely believe there are other potential areas they can pitch these investments. I'm sure a lot of us (on this list)can in a way or other get involved in lobbying/educating our local communities. We need not let a tiny handful of self seekers ruin the potential that this country holds, esp for future generations. Harry -----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of lordmwesh Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2011 10:51 PM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Bitange for President? DrivingKnowledgeEconomy?OnlineInterviewwith PS Ndemo Dr. Ndemo, I believe GoK has a law allowing it to take any land, anywhere, so long as its for the common good of the whole society, and compensate the owners in due course. With or without politics, why was this law not used? We saw this law being used in to the maximum in the titanium project in Coast province! Regards Lordmwesh On 07/08/2011, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> wrote:
This is shockingly beyond belief.....!!. An injection of $1 Billion worth of FDI into our economy just gone up in smoke like that out of sheer politik intransigence is so appalling that any Kenyan reading this should be Very Angry..!! What a missed opportunity...?
I can only sum this up in two words; "shortsightedness and selfishness.."
Unfortunately, it also seems that the "man eat man" syndrome thrives in our midst with abandon, and often times now it appears, the more disenfranchised the populace is in empowerment, the more the opportunities arise to capitalize on their illiteracy and disinformation to exploit them for our own Selfish interests; and this by our so called "leaders" is so shameful..
Listers this is an eye opener, to apply ICT and ICT driven solutions to disseminate information and ensure empowerment at the grassroots. This is of utmost priority...
Harry
-----Original Message----- From: bitange@jambo.co.ke [mailto:bitange@jambo.co.ke] Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2011 8:43 PM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions'; bitange@jambo.co.ke Subject: RE: [kictanet] Bitange for President? DrivingKnowledgeEconomy?OnlineInterviewwith PS Ndemo
Listers, Allow me to say a few things about unemployment:
From basic economics, we know how to reduce unemployment - spend money on public investments - that is roads, rail, energy, telecommunications, urban development etc and other non government investments such as the new Aga Khan Hospital expansion, Delta Property investments in Kenya, National Oil Refinery expansion, Kenya Breweries expansion, investment in value added services etc. Creating jobs in a developing country should be what Americans call a no brainer. In developing countries lies many opportunities but the scale of
greed far exceeds national interests.
Some three months ago, I met with top officials of Fedex, a worldwide logistics company. They expressed interest in creating Kenya a regional hub that would serve both Middle East, parts of Asia and Africa. They needed several acres of land within an Airport. I also got wind that Boeng were considering Kenya as a regional hub for Repair
I liaised with IFC top officials and one VP came to see me over this lucrative investment. He concurred with me that we needed a Greenfield airport. I contacted my counterpart in Transport we started a search for an ideal location with the help of the Directorate of Civil Aviation. The result was land adjacent to Konza. Quickly I called the leaders from the area including the Ranch cooperative leaders. They control more than 100,000 hectares of empty land. We needed only 20,000 acres for an Aerotropolis which will have encompassed Konza.
IFC did not want an outright purchase of Land considering the kind of publicity we went through in acquiring Konza. They offered equity in the project and promised to source for the initial $1 billion to start the project. They needed to start the legal process while at the same time doing the feasibility study. When the feasibility study team came from Washington, there was nobody to meet on the ground. We were told the Chairman was consulting with the Ministry of Cooperative. I followed up the matter with the Ministry and I got to know that they had no problem. The team was played around and they never got to start the feasibility. I went back to the area leadership and was told all was well. Later I got to learn that some rich people wanted to buy out the poor farmers then negotiate with IFC. The farmers hit the roof and called an AGM. I sent my senior officers to the AGM to explain this directly. Unfortunately, when they got there they were threatened and asked to sit silent. The resolution on the ground was to sub divide the land into two acre pieces and if anyone wanted the 20,000 acres they are to deal with individual owners.
In the meantime we have shelved a project that would have 1) created thousands of sustainable jobs, 2) increased the value of the remaining land and 3) brought good infrastructure. Leave alone the pull effect on agriculture it would have created to the poor people around the airport. Now a Member of Parliament has asked a question to be answered in due course "what the Ministry has done in securing land adjacent to Konza Technology for any further Development". We cannot compulsorily acquire this land since these leaders would use the same poor people to create trouble. I have been warned by various leaders that such a move will fail. You cannot blame the Government when the local leadership cannot see opportunity or tapper their greed to allow greater good for the greater number of people.
The causes of unemployment are not what you see in text books. It is not poverty as many academicians would tell you. It is greed, it is lack of trust among those who represent people's interest, it is lack of vision, it is the minimalist mentality that we have come to embrace. We must move from this hopeless state to greater and collective thinking. If the poor people became shareholders of such a mega project, you change their lives forever, you improve your own security as each one of your neighbor would have the basic needs and more. Allow me to deal with other causes of unemployment then propose some solutions.
The rate of our population growth is worrisome. It will both impact not only on food security but our future employability. The recent study on education published in the East African showed while you can get good education in Kenya, it is not everybody who can access that good education. Good education comes with better chances of being employed anywhere on the planet and you need to pay. Even if Free Education were to be improved significantly, you need fewer numbers of children that you can afford to give sufficient love. You cannot pay attention to 12 kids let alone understanding the psychological problems they are going
and Maintenance. through.
Parenting is a greater component in the success of any child and the way you are brought up increases your chances of employability. This where issues such as values come in.
In recent years, we have messed our Education system. Like in Germany we must retain tertiary institutions. This is where you get the technicians to do Kazi ya Mkono. Earlier I talked of investments like Aga Khan. I was deliberate because a number of jobs created by the expansion will not be taken up by Kenyans. When an X-ray machine breaks down, we call for technicians to come from Germany yet we have thousands of trainable youth who can be able to undertake the job at cheaper costs. The cost of bringing in a foreign technician is passed on to the consumer. This is how India has become a cheaper destination for mundane medical issues such as diagnostics.
Further we say we need Nuclear plants but we have not even started to build capacity. If we did start the project today, virtually all the experts will be foreign. We lack a comprehensive skills inventory. This will become a guide on what training we need and when we need it in order to increase the number of employable youth. The Government can for example provide incentives to students who study in areas that are strategic to our economic development. This skills inventory thing has been going on for the past four years. Although I am a member of the task I am not able to impact its fast tracking and my proposal of doing it via ICT did not work. Per diem requirements seems to dictate the pace. We must have the skills inventory in order to address the labour demand-supply mismatch that ails our economy.
You cannot talk about unemployment in this country without talking about Trade Unions. It is a sad picture out there. The Union leadership have adopted a psychological warfare that has nothing to do with employment. They are harsh and can destroy your reputation in a split second. Media loves this and to some extent fear disclosing the rot in the movement. Our labour leaders are some of the richest in this country. If Lumumba were to mount a street protest on account of their life style audit, I will join him. This closed club protects firms and non performing employees in equal measure. We need to be more productive to increase opportunities for more jobs. The unions have not understood this simple theory of labour economics. Had they allowed modern equipment to pick tea in Kericho, Tea estates will be more productive and most of those jobs would have shifted into value added services and manufacturing. Just like the introduction of IT has increased jobs better than we thought in early 80's when computers were banned.
We therefore need to quickly deal with our educational system, begin to plan for future employment opportunities now, remove information asymmetries that deny the poor employment opportunities, deal with labour regulation and regulatory efficiencies including trade unions, as for greed we need to pray to God since sometimes you are not able to understand how it attacks. In the day you have the support of all the leadership while at night they undermine every move you make. Overall we can deal with this menace. Get a better "Candidate" come next year. One Kenya.
Regards
Ndemo.
Bwana Ps,
First and foremost our condolences, for the loss....
Secondly, I'd really wish to commend the moderator who set this thread off. For once we have a lively healthy debate, modelled alongside the live presidential hopeful debates often times held elsewhere in more mature democracies.This is the way to go and it heralds exciting times ahead. I suppose this forum is so well poised to play a leading role in the National discourse aimed at building a better Kenya. So let's keep this up, and perhaps rope in the other "contenders".
But 3rdly, this "Sumptuous" debate is also turning out to be highly educative and hugely informational for most of our silent listeners on the list, who are furiously "taking notes". Dr.Ndemo,many of us are just realizing to our utter amazement how much level of knowledge you possess and are willing to share, and your amount of energy is so infectious, that somehow I in my opinion feel we need not limit you to this forum,but find ways in which we can have you engage an even wider and more larger audience out here especially those from the generation Y segment. Listers any ideas...? Would Townhall style lectures suffice...? Just thinking..
I couldn't help noticing an earlier debate touching on infrastructure and feeding our nation, and in the same vein I have also taken a hard look at the events taking place across our country right now,and the greater horn of Africa,and it would be an understatement when I say it's really infuriating to say the least. It defeats any imagination why after independence, 51 yrs down the line we are not self sufficient in food production, with several corners of the nation marginalized such that even humanitarian aid donated by other well meaning Kenyans can not reach those who need it most because there is no infrastructure such as roads and communication to even talk about in the first place... It's maddening..
How do you plan to balance infrastructural development across the land, to avoid over-concentration in specific zones at the expense of the rest...?
At the same time, what kind/quality of advisers would you be looking for to help you shape policy/decision making. A presidency or leadership is just as good or bad as the quality of the courtiers that gather around.
Harry
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From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of bitange@jambo.co.ke Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2011 9:01 PM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Bitange for President? DrivingKnowledgeEconomy?OnlineInterviewwith PS Ndemo
Aki, We are meeting Konza Technology City possible underwriters (local Banks) on Monday morning 7am at Serena. Please come. Many of the quesions you ask will be answered then you can make a summary for the listers.
Regards
Ndemo.
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From: aki <aki275@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2011 19:45:44 +0300 To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Cc: <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Bitange for President? Driving KnowledgeEconomy?OnlineInterview with PS Ndemo
Dr Ndemo,
While we look forward to a comprehensive response on the High Tech Sector/ Malili as soon as you have some time, I believe that you mentioned that completion is about 3 years away. That seems is not a lot of time to get e.g at least 50 companies who have significant turnovers coming close to about Kshs 500 million with a % on exports. I think there may be a need for a review. I already read that IBM super-team is in the country and done some indepth research and assessment into e-Govt, it maybe a good time to ask them to re-access the current trends. Mobile, Web and Social technologiy development platforms trends may only produce slim domestic interest with extremely small turnovers and virtually impossible that either can later contribute to significant economic growth.
There could an alternative which would be to look at Comesa/Igad or other markets within our region, create Govt/Private ICT or other sector development action groups to be based at Malili which would also provide Venture Capitalists/Investors an avenue for serious interests. I've had a look at very basic Comesa data, seems Agricultural engineering would do well here. I think JUKAT has the foundations of producing such engineers. However, there is not enough data to full research what Agricultural Engineering and ICT development can do.
Also the topic of electricity generation has raised a manufacturing interest. Is any Kenyan company manufacturing the High Voltage Lines insulators ( ceramic/glass based in many cases ) or are we importing these? Each High/Low Power line on every mounted pole needs these isolators. http://knol.google.com/k/overhead-line-insulators
Thank you.
Rgds.
On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 10:54 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
Thank you Dr Ndemo, and will await to read the comprehensive response. :-)
On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 9:45 AM, <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
Aki, Whereas by chance one of the aaplications developed here may become a global brand, we do not want to leave to chance. That is why we are developing centers of excellency, standards and incubators to make sure we part of global standards. There is much learning that we must go through. The reason we should seek to collaborate while guarding our inventions.
As I write, we are working on a digital economy policy. We shall come up with a specific legislation in this emerging sector. Create special incentives that would propel it to greater levels.
We also must deal with Universities inorder to create the triple helix that has worked in many parts of the world. Strathmore is leading in the right direction. We want to fully their patnership with Sumsang and Safaricom. Through such arrangement we create capacities that lead to new other enterprises.
This is an area I have the greatest interest and would want to explore. I am using the annoying Blackberry so please allow me to respond more comprehensively when I get to a real keyboard.
Ndemo.
Sent from my BlackBerryR
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From: aki <aki275@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 09:13:11 +0300 To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Cc: <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Bitange for President? Driving Knowledge Economy?OnlineInterview with PS Ndemo
Dr Ndemo,
I have a final question on regarding the creation of the High Tech Sector in preparation for Malili. While cheaper rent or infrastructure facilities maybe an additional advantage, I think we are still to find a way to push private sector and govt incentives/policies on creating the High Tech Sector. I believe we are no where at the moment, neither the mobile or web development sectors even come close to becoming the next billion shilling industry sectors. These two sectors are in a transition mode where the demand is for more localised settings.
What will the govt do to ensure that kenyan companies start looking at holding patents and developing the needs of external markets based on technology trends. I think the last thing we would want to see is a scenario where kenyans in ICT become more of daily wage labourers on contract basis. While this may seem an ideal employment creation scenario, the results will be negative in the long term.
What steps and incentives will create the High Tech Sector companies and will opening up the development of critical govt sectors offer an incentive to create broad based technologies?
Thank you.
Rgds.
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