Philip, as a Mwalimu I can tell you a degree is indeed important. HOWEVER, if you closely read my earlier comments, you will realise that it was tailored to "people like Yawe". For people who are already "settled" in their whatever they are doing, a degree or not may not change their fortunes/status. Such people would seek to get a degree because they simply can. For a larger majority of us Kenyans, however, we do get a degree because we NEED to or have to. Indeed am working on my 3rd degree because I have to - not because I can ;-). walu. --- On Wed, 12/21/11, Philip Adar <philip.adar@gmail.com> wrote: From: Philip Adar <philip.adar@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Robert Yawe for PMG Integrity test To: "Walubengo J" <jwalu@yahoo.com> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Wednesday, December 21, 2011, 3:22 PM If this week is for vision 2030, and the same vision envisage some transformation to our education system (including university education), then how comes university degree's are now just pieces of paper which you go for just because you can get it? If you have some knowledge (without any degree), then you don't look for the any position where they require a degree. Use the knowledge at your disposal to start something and run it efficiently so that those with degrees find it necessary to come work for you. Bill Gates doesn't have a degree alright, but there are thousands of degree holders who the "real programmers" at Microsoft! Regards Adar On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 2:56 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote: --- On Wed, 12/21/11, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote: From: Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Robert Yawe for PMG Integrity test To: "Walubengo J" <jwalu@yahoo.com> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Wednesday, December 21, 2011, 10:13 AM On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 09:44, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote: --- On Wed, 12/21/11, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: I am not trying in any way to belittle the need for university education, it is essential for a younger person but at 45 years of age it will be a waste of valuable time and resources ~~~~~~~~~~ Yawe, Dont try to ran away from a degree bwana! I know a Kenyan colleague who got a degree at 65yrs of age. Not because they were looking for a job, but just because they could (had the opportunity, the brain and resources to do it). I strongly believe you have the opportunity, the brain and the resources to get that degree - just because you can. @Walu, For once, I have completely failed to understand the type of justification you have used to try and convice Bobby to get a degree. With this particular reasoning, wasn't this degree as a good as a paper for the water closet? -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler. Please consider the environment before printing this email. @Wash, Dont try to understand the reason - because there is none ;-) People like Yawe do not actually need a degree nor a reason to do it. Mostly they simply do the degree because they can. Much like Bill Gates or Manu Chandaria donate money for various causes because they can..donating the money or retaining it does not change their status; but eventually they prefer to donate, its probably just part of self-actualization. But lets not dwell on Yawe - I think this week is about V2030... walu. _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/philip.adar%40gmail.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. -- Regards Philip Adar
