Eric If the regulator cck can formulate and enforce policies definitely things would not have been to the magnitude they are today But as eric aligula puts it in detail we need wholesome and long term regional approach supported with legislation to protect shared infrastructure,but at things stand now our good neighbour Tanzania may be considered a reliable partner to provide international connectivity via fiber. The way forward ? Eric has one of the best suggestions as what the US did in late nineties,we don't have to re invent the wheel. Mahmoud noor Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: kictanet-request@lists.kictanet.or.ke Date: Sun, 08 Nov 2009 15:36:47 To: noor<mahmoods21@gmail.com> Subject: kictanet Digest, Vol 30, Issue 18 Send kictanet mailing list submissions to kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to kictanet-request@lists.kictanet.or.ke You can reach the person managing the list at kictanet-owner@lists.kictanet.or.ke When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of kictanet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Cable issues (emko@internetresearch.com.gh) 2. Re: Cable issues (Barrack Otieno) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 14:12:46 -0000 (GMT) From: emko@internetresearch.com.gh To: mahmoods21@gmail.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Cable issues Message-ID: <13290.41.206.43.74.1257689566.squirrel@mail.internetresearch.com.gh> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Mahmoud, While i agree with your simple but to be taken serious submission, i beg to differ on the substance and form of the underlining principle. It is the reponsibility of regulatory policy to ensure that infrastructure is shared and a common conduit is built so that different providers can blow their fiber, this is not a market failure situation but an argument for direct public policy intervention to ensure a certain market situation. In the absence of this, the same government through the various institutions collect all kinds of levies from the private companies knowing very well that they are building next to each other. It is important for us to ensure not only institutional saparation but stakeholder responbilities and outcomes in these discussions. The government and regulator must do their work in ensuring that when KDN wants to build fiber from Nairobi to Mombasa, they are told, telkom already has the ducts in place so go talk to them, pay a fee and blow your fiber. Blaming KDN for getting the license and building out next to Telkom, exonerate unnecessarily the responsibility of those institutionalised to do so and belittles the effort to institutionalise. Thailand just passed a law to make broadband a right, this would create the framework for private sector to ensure it happens or government would intervene to make it happen or they would be breaking the law they made. Eric here
Providers need to share infrastructure,it beats logic to see different providers digging next to each other on same side of the road,this also inconveniences road users regularly especilly in urban areas. A first timer in a route should have extra conduits that can be used by competitors in future,once we share the suspicion of competition sabotaging will reduce. We also need to educate the public on the importance of the cable network to our country,economy and make a connection to how a cable cut impacts on their lives,ultimately the communities are the best custodians in their areas,we should also encourage contractors to use locals in each of the areas the cable is enroute and let them instill a sense of ownership to this communities. If government could perform well,local authorities and the state could be building and owning fibre routes or just the conduits and lease to all interested providers. With the fibre cuts each day we are reducing the kenya s potential of being the preffered gateway to landlocked countries like Uganda,Rwanda,S.Sudan etc,hence reducing our dominance in the region and in the process loosing economic/employment opportunities,
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Message: 1 Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 22:14:08 +0300 From: "kai wulff" <kai.wulff@kdn.co.ke> To: <jairah@kippra.or.ke> Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Cable issues Message-ID: <484401ca5f15$ab0cdfa0$01269ee0$@wulff@kdn.co.ke> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
It would help if we could get our day in court. Vandalism is one thing, negligence another. We as Operators spend huge amounts on staff we attach to contractors to make sure they don't destroy our cable plant .. If they do, we never get compensated. Taking them to court takes years and you might only get awarded the cost of the cable plus the labor ..
Frustrated
Kai
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Colleagues
What I would suggest is to have a law to protect critical infrastructure from vagabonds such as those that destroy cables and other infrastructure that we need to sustain the enabling environment for doing business. The penalties this guys receive are a joke and the law needs to target the entire value chain, at least on the Kenyan perhaps East African side.
Kind regards
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-----Original Message----- From: Jevans Nyabiage <jnyabiage@nation.co.ke> Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 19:07:21 To: <jairah@kippra.or.ke> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: [kictanet] Cable issues
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Message: 2 Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 22:16:41 +0300 From: "kai wulff" <kai.wulff@kdn.co.ke> To: "'Jevans Nyabiage'" <jnyabiage@nation.co.ke> Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Cable issues Message-ID: <484601ca5f15$ae77f710$0b67e530$@wulff@kdn.co.ke> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Sabotage and Vandalism look very similar .. Unless we ask the people doing it we would not know the motives.
The fault on Monday was caused by contractors of another operator who was not following procedures and who thought that by virtue of working for a partly state owned company he will be allowed to do what he wants (happens very often, treatment of Operators is still not equal).
Today was clearly a fault caused by someone who ON PURPOSE cut the cable.
Did the person want to steal a cable and stopped when seeing it was not metal or was he there to sabotage the network - I would not know.
Kai
Von: kictanet-bounces+kai.wulff=kdn.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+kai.wulff=kdn.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] Im Auftrag von Jevans Nyabiage Gesendet: Friday, November 06, 2009 19:07 An: kai.wulff@kdn.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Betreff: [kictanet] Cable issues
In the last few weeks there has been an outcry over increasing in disruption of networks with some of the affected firms pointing to industrial sabotage.
Safaricom was the first this week to claim "acts of sabotage" on the disruption of its network. The Orange the next day arrested some cable vandals and attributed it to suspected sabotage.
This Friday (today) Seacom fibre cable went offline for about four hours, they said this was due to cuts on KDN fibre around Voi.
Is this 'sabotage' real or imagined?
Jevans
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Just to expand the discourse on the cable issues and place it into some wider perspective. As far back as 1997, the US Government identified eight sectors it deemed critical to the national security and the essential functioning of its economy. These were:
1. Telecommunications 2. Transportation 3. Water supply 4. Oil and gas production 5. Banking and finance 6. Electrical generation 7. Emergency services, and 8. Essential government functions
A President's Commission on Critical Infrastructure Protection ("PCCIP") in October 1997, highlighted the topic of critical infrastructures and made a series of specific recommendations for their protection.
What does this have to do with the issue of ?cut cables?? At the height of the post election violence and in some incidents thereafter, the movement of produce and goods in Kenya became a serious issue. In fact as a consequence, ALL of the neighbouring countries are actively identifying and developing alternative access routes for their products and services. Kenya Vision 2030 is predicated on an export led growth strategy that is and will be heavily dependent not only on networked transport services, but also on the fibre optic cable. The investment in transport and ICT infrastructure are premised on the desire to establish Kenya as the region's preeminent communications hub. The assurance that Kenya can and will consistent, reliable and affordable access to these critical infrastructures is critical to achieving these goals.
It is thus important that players in the ICT Sector team up with other sectors to insist on the development of a national, perhaps East African wide Critical Infrastructure Protection Policy complete with accompanying reviews and enhancements in the legal and institutional frameworks. It is the only consistent way through which we shall be able to ensure security for investments so expensively and patiently built.
A piecemeal approach will work for a short while and we shall be firefighting to eternity. The effort should focus on a comprehensive intervention, while obviously dealing with the issues in the short term.
My two cents worth.
Kind regards
Eric
-----Original Message----- From: kai wulff [mailto:kai.wulff@kdn.co.ke <kai.wulff@kdn.co.ke>] Sent: Fri 06/11/2009 22:14 To: Eric Aligula Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' Subject: AW: [kictanet] Cable issues
It would help if we could get our day in court. Vandalism is one thing, negligence another. We as Operators spend huge amounts on staff we attach to contractors to make sure they don't destroy our cable plant .. If they do, we never get compensated. Taking them to court takes years and you might only get awarded the cost of the cable plus the labor ..
Frustrated
Kai
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Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Betreff: Re: [kictanet] Cable issues
Colleagues
What I would suggest is to have a law to protect critical infrastructure from vagabonds such as those that destroy cables and other infrastructure that we need to sustain the enabling environment for doing business. The penalties this guys receive are a joke and the law needs to target the entire value chain, at least on the Kenyan perhaps East African side.
Kind regards
Eric Aligula Sent from my BlackBerry?
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