Hi Alex, I would find it hard to imagine how much more Kevit can explain to you about KIF. I would like to suggest that Kevit extend an invitation to you (and anyone else who might be interested/concerned) to attend the next KIF meeting as an observer and see/feel the animal yourself. Brian Sent from my iPhone On 09 Jul 2008, at 3:45 PM, Alex Gakuru <alex.gakuru@yahoo.com> wrote:
Kevit:
I am afraid you have not clarified well enough. I shall not ask you further KEPSA questions although on your previous email you told Waundo "As the director of KEPSA I welcome CSK and any other association to full membership of KEPSA." Apparently this now appears to have changed. And I doubt Waundo complained of "exclusion" not of his private self, rather of CSK? I could be wrong but he could clarify.
On Jun 23, 2008 it was announced that a "Local Software Industry Association established" with, among others, "3.1 Objective, Market the local software industry to venture capitalists." (see announcement document attached) Was it registered under Societies Act ( Read Public interest) or as Private (non-or-for-profit) Company? I found it strange it was formed 3 days to aour very successful and OPEN BarCamp. Is this one also under your umbrella?
On the links you sent onlist:
www.innovation-africa.net
Domain Name: INNOVATION-AFRICA.NET Registrar: TUCOWS INC. Whois Server: whois.tucows.com Referral URL: http://domainhelp.opensrs.net Name Server: ULTRA103.UK2.NET Name Server: ULTRA104.UK2.NET Status: redemptionPeriod Updated Date: 24-jun-2008 Creation Date: 14-may-2007 Expiration Date: 14-may-2008
I tried www.innovation-africa.co.ke >> was re-directing to >> www.kif.or.ke ( but today it now says "under construction") I gather Centurion Systems offices accommodates KIF, is that correct?
What I am trying is to understand is who speaks in the background when when "KIF" issues "stakeholders" statements on an issue,how representative or public service-oriented, good governance, in trying to understand new and old associations' motives.
With above information, it would clear doubts of public policy participation illegitimacy or inappropriate public procurement involvement(s). For the sake of our growing transparent ICTs abundantly rewarding enterprising citizens.
Alex
--- On Wed, 7/9/08, kevit desai <kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com> wrote:
From: kevit desai <kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com> Subject: RE: [kictanet] Legislation and Regulation for e-Commerce in Kenya To: alex.gakuru@yahoo.com Cc: "'kictanet-lists'" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Wednesday, July 9, 2008, 2:50 AM Hi Alex,
I'm pleased to clarify as much as I can.
Kepsa has an open membership of PRIVATE sector industry and market segment associations in almost all economic sectors. Independence: KEPSA decisions are dependent on members wishes, and members are drawn from the private sector. In fact, NGO's are not approached for membership in KEPSA, neither are government bodies including parastatals. KIF follows the same approach for membership and decision-making. No NGO's and government agencies are member ofn KIF. However, KEPSA and KIF consult on a REGULAR BASIS with all those stakeholders. Having said that, KEPSA and KIF have no obligation to offer service to non members.
Hopefully this helps to clarify. Do get in touch with Sam Mwaura of KEPSA or Marcel Werner of KIF.
Kevit
-----Original Message----- From: Alex Gakuru [mailto:alex.gakuru@yahoo.com] Sent: 09 July 2008 04:45 To: kevit desai Cc: kictanet-lists Subject: Re: [kictanet] Legislation and Regulation for e-Commerce in Kenya
Kevit,
How does KEPSA and KIF governance relate ensuring decisions independence? The political issue here may be monopolization to the extent of clouding out other actors thereby generating conflict. The Motive Theory steps in.
We investigate the effects of competition on subjects' attitude towards cooperation. Three groups face three economic environments with different degrees of competition, from a benchmark case with no competition at all up to a perfect competition case. Subjects contribute generously to a public project in the absence of competition, whereas they contribute very little in the presence of a maximum degree of competition. A diminishing attitude towards cooperation clearly emerges as the degree of competition increases. Therefore, if cooperation does enhance well-being, the maximum degree of competition may be not efficient.
<http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/B6W5H-4N0GDV1-1/2/fb32f4c6e9ba 6a6f51d7da9d40d806eb>
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--- On Tue, 7/8/08, kevit desai <kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com> wrote:
From: kevit desai <kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Legislation and Regulation for e-Commerce in Kenya To: alex.gakuru@yahoo.com Cc: secretariat@kif.or.ke, "'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions'" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Tuesday, July 8, 2008, 1:14 PM Hi Waudo,
As the director of KEPSA I welcome CSK and any other association to full membership of KEPSA. We look forward to a meaningful partnership.
Kevit Desai
_____
From: waudo siganga [mailto:emailsignet@mailcan.com] Sent: 08 July 2008 13:55 To: Kevit Desai Cc: secretariat@kif.or.ke; 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' Subject: Re: [kictanet] Legislation and Regulation for e-Commerce in Kenya
Hello Kevit - I think one needs to be careful when handling KEPSA and KIF at the same time. Do not use your foothold in KEPSA to promote KIF at the expense of other associations. The explanation is very simple: KEPSA was formed as a focal point, a bringing together characterised by INCLUSIVITY. KIF on the other hand is an independent association and the nature of such an association is EXCLUSIVITY (through membership mechanism). I would like to see the promotion of more associations on the KEPSA ICT Board, not just KIF. Please give us space.
Waudo
On Tue, 8 Jul 2008 11:07:07 +0300, "Kevit Desai" <kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com> said:
Hi Alex,
KEPSA (info@kepsa.or.ke): private sector policy body with its own governance structure. Elected as a director in private capacity and as KIF vice chairman.
KIF (secretariat@kif.or.ke): membership-based industry association, member of KEPSA's ICT section. Elected as vice-chairman.
Centurion Systems Ltd: (www.centurionsystemsltd.com) private company, director, member of KIF.
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-----Original Message----- From: waudo siganga [mailto:emailsignet@mailcan.com] Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 9:40 PM To: kevit desai Cc: secretariat@kif.or.ke; 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' Subject: RE: [kictanet] Legislation and Regulation for e-Commerce in Kenya
Hello Kevit - Since you sent this message to KICTANET I can answer it on
the same forum. I think the picture being painted about a rosy situation
including "collaboration" is simply not true. The reason to be frank is
that there a few in your KIF who do not want any other association to
have a voice in KEPSA or to interact with Government. Could you as a
KEPSA director ensure that all interested associations including the
major ones not in KIF are allowed room to contribute in KEPSA? It can be
sad if you mis-use your position in KEPSA only to promote KIF and crack
down on those you feel are in the way.
Waudo
On Mon, 7 Jul 2008 21:02:31 +0300, "kevit desai"
<kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com> said:
Hi Walu,
Associations are welcome to be members of KEPSA. I would like to confirm
that the KEPSA/KIF relationship is vibrant. We would like to do a lot
more
and welcome more support.
We appreciate Waudo's contributions at our last ministerial stakeholder
forum.
Collaboration is the way forward.
Kevit Desai
KEPSA Director
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On Behalf Of waudo siganga
Sent: 07 July 2008 19:02
To: kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com
Cc: secretariat@kif.or.ke; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Legislation and
e-Commerce in
Kenya
Hi Walu - I am catching you loud and clear on GPRS somewhere in the
bush. I did bring out the issue of regulating the IT (or ICT) Profession
on this list a few months ago. But the rather unenthusiastic response I
got gave me the sense that possibly this was not
correct list since
many of the subscribers appear just interested in ICT Policy rather than
being actual IT Experts. Within the next two weeks there will be another
list for professionals and you will be informed (you have the
qualifications, don't you??). We are pushing for a registration board
like thise done last yeaer for nutritionists and Procurement
Practitioners. There is a lot of work going on unheralded. All we need
is a champion or chanpions in the right place.
Waudo
On Mon, 7 Jul 2008 02:45:53 -0700 (PDT), "John Walubengo"
<jwalu@yahoo.com> said:
Marcel,
It looks like quite some work has been ongoing in this
area...unfortunately it seems as if it was restricted within KIF only? I
wonder if Computer Society of Kenya (CSK, Waudo r u there?) or
Information Security Audit & Control (ISACA-Kenya Chapter) just to
mention some of the big IT Associations in Kenya were involved. I beg to
be enlightened.
This brings in an old question - who really represents the IT Profession
in Kenya? Shem has been on record as saying
IT is the only
discipline where we seem to lack bodies with
same authority as LSK
(Law Society of Kenya), IEK (Institute of Engineers of Kenya), Medical
Practictioners Board amongst others to regulate the IT Profession.
And by the way, KICTAnet does not fit the bill either (and has a
different objective anyway). But time has come to really start thinking
of regulating the IT profession, even as we struggle to regulate the
industry...Ideally, CSK should take the lead on this, but they have been
awfully quite except when they award prizes at the end of the year (Waudo
I know u will kill me offline but I just had to say it!).
KEPSA? very reputable and effective
in the Manufacturing
sector but on IT? am not sure they have been as effective - particularly
because the link between KEPSA/KIF and the IT industry has been 'cloudy'
for lack of a better word...Can for example CSK or ISACA be part of
KEPSA without being part of KIF? I again need to be enlightened.
O.K. I agree I did digress, but just
loudly and saying that as
we think of regulating electronic
Regulation for the that the particularly thinking transactions,
we also need to
simultaneously start regulating the IT profession..but maybe I am wrong.
Particularly because regulation can and often leads to suppression...
walu.
--- On Sun, 7/6/08, Marcel Werner <marcelcwerner@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Marcel Werner <marcelcwerner@gmail.com>
Subject: [kictanet] Legislation and Regulation for e-Commerce in Kenya
To: jwalu@yahoo.com
Cc: secretariat@kif.or.ke, "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions"
<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>
Date: Sunday, July 6, 2008, 6:43 PM
Legislation and Regulation for e-Commerce in Kenya
Kenya ICT Federation (KIF) - Briefing Note # 3 - Report -
Public Panel 19
June 2008
*Electronic commerce (e-commerce) will add at least one
percent point growth
to Kenya's overall economic growth within five years.
This is contingent
upon the adoption of legislation that supports electronic
transactions. *Kenya,
as an emerging economy and regional leader, lags behind in
having a legal
framework for e-commerce in place. The current situation is
an anachronism
hampering national development, placing provincial centres
at a
disadvantage, and harming global competitiveness. Both
external and internal
trade require the new framework.The Kenyan private sector
strongly supports
e-commerce legislation, as well as legislation of the
Information and
Communication Technology sector that guarantees an open
market and promotes
innovation.
Why e-commerce law? Today, legislation supporting
electronic transactions
represents the single most powerful innovation opportunity
in the legal
framework of the ICT sector. Legislation is needed to:
-Legalize e-commerce transactions by recognizing an
electronic signature
-Manage and control e-commerce r <KENYA SOFTWARE INDUSTRY ASSOCIATION.doc>
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