Ali,

Indeed what is needed is political will, we have countless examples of working transport systems. I like your analagy of transport being considered a critical resource, this will be an important starting point.

Best Regards

On Jan 7, 2014 5:33 AM, "Ali Hussein" <ali@hussein.me.ke> wrote:
Listers

Lost in all this discussion about safety and payment systems in public transport is that:-

1. Any country worth its salt and geared for growth prioritizes public transport as a critical resource for growth. 

2. In most of the 'developed' world public transport is not left entirely to the vagaries of private enterprise. These are concessions that are tendered out every 5-10 years and the winner(s) of the concession is subject to clear QoS standards and fares are preset by both the Govt and the concessionaire. The UK has done this pretty successfully. 

3. A look at Dubai will tell you that the RTA (Road Transport Authority) owns and manages the Metro, the Taxis and the buses which have an interoperable payment system. And the system works like a well oiled machine.

The million dollar question is whether we have the political will to overhaul our mass transport systems.

Over the holidays my sister and her kids insisted they wanted to go to Mombasa via train. I asked them severally if they were sure about this. After an argument of pros and cons we finally bought them tickets and they embarked on their 'adventure'. A number of things stood out for me:-

1. The road leading to the train station could be categorized more as the surface of the moon than a road.
2. The train station is like it is in a time capsule circa 1985 when I used to go via train from Mombasa to Nairobi to boarding school. I swear to God that the station has not improved one bit. It's like it was when the British built it!!
3. Lastly it took my family 24 hours (yes 24 hours!!) to reach Mombasa when it took me about 11 hours in 1985!! 

I'm not saying that this talk about payment systems and interoperability isn't progress but..

Are we putting the cart before the horse?? Are we band aiding a cancer when what we need is chemotherapy? 

Just saying..

Ali Hussein

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On Jan 6, 2014, at 9:14 PM, Baiju Shah <baiju@tele2media.com> wrote:

Hi All,

Very interesting discussion on new policy, in fact the government should consider the implementation of a single standard for payments like ITSO in the UK to provide interoperability between different modes of transport. e.g. If I use the train, matatu to get to work I should be able to buy or load a ticket on to a card, mobile phone or any other, which could be easily accepted by the different modes of transport operators.

This will also enable some amount of regulation and discipline within the modal transport operators who could be measured on quality of service. This could also include behaviour on the road. Simple matrix could be developed, to provide the quality of transport that is available in many cities around the world. This also is away to ensure that the government is able to assure safety, in return be able to collect taxes to improve facilities for the commuters that could include footpaths and proper rest areas etc.

Furthermore, not too sure of the fleet management aspect of the policy as this is something that individual companies can choose to implement, is open to manipulation, this will not guarantee that the different companies are meeting their stated KPI's, and there is no way you can penalise the PSV it could be too late, additionally, all PSV drivers need to retest and get issued with proper driving licences that are not subject to fraud as a part of the regulation of the sector.

There are many points that could be discussed, the important point is there is action being taken and if there is help required in thinking through the various policies and if it is going to make the daily commute easy we are here to help and advice.

Thanks

Best Regards,
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Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2014 17:58:02 +0300
From: Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com>
To: Ngigi Waithaka <ngigi@at.co.ke>
Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>
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I agree with the scheduling bit though i don't see how this can be divorced
from the fares. I still insist transport should be primarily a govt affair.
If not by ownership then by strict regulation inclusive of setting of
fares, just like in Energy. if let loose we have the likes of Enron and our
matatu culture as is. Some sectors cannot be left to market forces because
market forces are largely an idyllic situation and manipulated to the core.



On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 2:15 PM, Ngigi Waithaka <ngigi@at.co.ke> wrote:

Digital Speed Governors aka Tachographs are a good idea.

We could start with that, get matatus on regular timed schedules, then
start selling electronic tickets for day, week & month, yearly. This you
pay for using Mpesa etc, but spot fares should be in cash.

Waithaka Ngigi

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Nairobi, Kenya

www.A1.io
On 5 Jan 2014 13:21, "Kivuva" <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com> wrote:

A new law to regulate the public transport has been put in place and
will take effect by June 2014 where
1. All PSVs must implement cashless paymeny system for bus fare
2. All PSVs to be fit with fleet management systems where overspeeding
will be checked from system logs, not on speed cameras
3. All PSVs to have surveillance cameras to reduce carjackings, petty
crimes, and terrorism
4. Install digital speed governors

This will see Beba Pay and Mpesa fight for supremacy. I'm keen to see
what card Safaricom has on it's deck. This is a great opportunity for
payment system innovators to comeup with exciting products, and also
for fleet management system companies to have regular work. The
commuters on the other hand will dig dipper in their pockets to pay
for the services.

And finally, the government has a way of collecting taxes on the Ksh
205 Billion industry


http://mobile.nation.co.ke/business/New-law-on-technology-to-transform-PSV-sector/-/1950106/2134508/-/format/xhtml/-/5hut8qz/-/index.html

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From: Watila Alex <awatila@yahoo.co.uk>
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smartbus tried cashless payments and they were always getting network
errors.

Is the required infrastructure in place and is it reliable enough to
work all the time?

regards,

Alex

On 01/05/2014 02:00 PM, Ngigi Waithaka wrote:

The hubris of those in power...

Show me who will implement this and I'll tell you whether this will
work... We better re-invent a few Michuki's!

On a more fundamental level isn't forcing Kenyans to use a certain
form of payment over others a violation of our rights to use The
Kenyan Currency in our transactions?

Can you deny a Kenyan a fundamental service such as transport if they
presented to you valid legal tender in hard currency in Ksh?

Waithaka Ngigi

Alliance Technologies
Nairobi, Kenya

www.A1.io <http://www.A1.io>

On 5 Jan 2014 13:21, "Kivuva" <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com
<mailto:Kivuva@transworldafrica.com>> wrote:

  A new law to regulate the public transport has been put in place and
  will take effect by June 2014 where
  1. All PSVs must implement cashless paymeny system for bus fare
  2. All PSVs to be fit with fleet management systems where overspeeding
  will be checked from system logs, not on speed cameras
  3. All PSVs to have surveillance cameras to reduce carjackings, petty
  crimes, and terrorism
  4. Install digital speed governors

  This will see Beba Pay and Mpesa fight for supremacy. I'm keen to see
  what card Safaricom has on it's deck. This is a great opportunity for
  payment system innovators to comeup with exciting products, and also
  for fleet management system companies to have regular work. The
  commuters on the other hand will dig dipper in their pockets to pay
  for the services.

  And finally, the government has a way of collecting taxes on the Ksh
  205 Billion industry

  http://mobile.nation.co.ke/business/New-law-on-technology-to-transform-PSV-sector/-/1950106/2134508/-/format/xhtml/-/5hut8qz/-/index.html

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I totally agree with Mark. Public transport has and should always be looked
at as a service of the government to the masses. Cameras and payment
systems are just means of putting money into the pockets of a few companies
or individuals and as such do not really help solve the problem. Think if
the sector was run as a non profit (and in a sustainable manner) all would
leave there cars at home and use the system. As we move forward think the
thought of companies running the sector on commission of the government
would also work. Auction off a licence 2-5 year to run the sector on behalf
of the gov or counties with well laid out goals and guidelines as
benchmarks. Off course infrastructure has to be put in place first like bus
lanes everywhere, bus stops away from the main roads (thika rd and mombasa
rd should not have bus stops) in short better planning.


On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 4:33 PM, Watila Alex <awatila@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

smartbus tried cashless payments and they were always getting network
errors.

Is the required infrastructure in place and is it reliable enough to work
all the time?

regards,

Alex


On 01/05/2014 02:00 PM, Ngigi Waithaka wrote:

The hubris of those in power...

Show me who will implement this and I'll tell you whether this will
work... We better re-invent a few Michuki's!

On a more fundamental level isn't forcing Kenyans to use a certain form of
payment over others a violation of our rights to use The Kenyan Currency in
our transactions?

Can you deny a Kenyan a fundamental service such as transport if they
presented to you valid legal tender in hard currency in Ksh?

Waithaka Ngigi

Alliance Technologies
Nairobi, Kenya

www.A1.io
On 5 Jan 2014 13:21, "Kivuva" <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com> wrote:

A new law to regulate the public transport has been put in place and
will take effect by June 2014 where
1. All PSVs must implement cashless paymeny system for bus fare
2. All PSVs to be fit with fleet management systems where overspeeding
will be checked from system logs, not on speed cameras
3. All PSVs to have surveillance cameras to reduce carjackings, petty
crimes, and terrorism
4. Install digital speed governors

This will see Beba Pay and Mpesa fight for supremacy. I'm keen to see
what card Safaricom has on it's deck. This is a great opportunity for
payment system innovators to comeup with exciting products, and also
for fleet management system companies to have regular work. The
commuters on the other hand will dig dipper in their pockets to pay
for the services.

And finally, the government has a way of collecting taxes on the Ksh
205 Billion industry


http://mobile.nation.co.ke/business/New-law-on-technology-to-transform-PSV-sector/-/1950106/2134508/-/format/xhtml/-/5hut8qz/-/index.html

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