Phares, You have just hit it but how do we resolve? * We have a new constitution but it is not protecting us enough. * Very often we get new legislation but they are only widening the gaps. * Budgets read year in year out only promoting same ills; increased tax burden on certain sectors to bear the reduced tax on others etc Regards, Okech JM My blog On Tuesday, June 17, 2014 11:33 AM, Gichuki John Chuksjonia via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Looks like alshabab have the capability to use Cyber Space domain of war, by jamming networks, when even we are not ready for such Information Warfare tactics. On 6/17/14, Philip Adar via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
In South Korea, when a ferry sinks and people are killed; the prime minister resign even though he was not the captain of the ship, neither did he own it.
On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 9:46 PM, Mwendwa Kivuva via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
In India, when a train derails, the Minister of transport resigns. A train to which he has no control of. We Kenyans demand so little.
Enough said.
In my opinion this squarely falls in the docket of the executive branch of Government. Technology solves nothing without the will to use it. 40 armed militia are not impossible to track whether in thick forest or open savannah. As Adam said, if no heads roll then it signals that no-one is at fault and we should accept it just like all the other incidents.
The police are well trained. poorly equipped and lets not forget that
follow orders. The reason that no one responded for hours is because they were ordered not to. The reason the Killing of Satao was possible is because those that can stop it are deliberately ill equipped. Its not rocket science.
None of this happens in Ethiopia where they have been beating up Alshabab till the Indian ocean for decades. They dont tolerate any crap. We tolerate alot of it.
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Wagging the dog?
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On Jun 16, 2014, at 4:31 PM, Philip Adar via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
During Westgate, 4 terrorists were able to hold back our military for 4-days. All that time, our top security officers were camping out there with misleading updates (such like 10 to 15 armed so and so...).
In the end, the building went up in smoke days later and up to date; no one knows how that happened.
Of cause in this country, that is such a small matter that nobody should be answerable over the miss-steps...
And if Westgate was "small"; then Mpeketoni may not even warrant a scrutiny!
On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 3:58 PM, Adam Nelson via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
We'll be able to judge how seriously GoK takes this by how high up the person is who gets fired. I suspect nobody will just like after Westgate ... and that's exactly how seriously they take it.
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On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 3:49 PM, Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Gichuki,
These are questions that are also very troubling to me.
If you think about it, the British Consulate in Mombasa, maybe the oldest consulate was closed last week amid terrorism fears. This not from any other Country, but UK, one country that has arguably the largest investment in Kenya, where a decision like that is not taken lightly.
And not even a week later, we get hit at Mpeketoni. Now, we might not have been able to stop it, but the least we would have done, having gotten the signals from our friends who were closing their Consulates at the coast, is to have been very well prepared.
I am told these guys hit at 20:00hrs and up until morning hours when they left no one had arrived to counter them. Yet, from the word go, the communication about the attack was all over, including social media. If this sounds familiar, its exactly what happened at Westgate.
I don't know what school you would have gone to if after these two very-similiar attacks you can recommend that our terrorism problems are quickly sorted by using an upgraded technology network.
IMO, it is time we talked the truth and called a spade a spade, starting with the fact that what has been recommended thus far is a white elephant and what we need more is more motivated & dedicated cops topped of with good leadership and quality intelligence.
Rgds
On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 2:58 PM, Gichuki John Chuksjonia < chuksjonia@gmail.com> wrote:
> Ask yourself, why did US embassy shut down before this, and why did UK > Embassy do the same last week? > > Did they get this information earlier? > > How did they get it? > > > > On 6/16/14, Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet > <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> > wrote: > > Phares, > > > > Even saying "...this is not a technology problem ..." can be > > quite > > the > > answer to the problem. > > > > One of the problems I am seeing with the recent trend is where
> is > > this belief that once this 3G, 4G, 5G etc police network gets up, we > will > > have gotten to the root of the problem. Its the classic case of > having the > > only tool being a hammer, and no wonder the solution is Networks. > > > > IMO, you would probably get more bang for your buck if you put > > half > of the > > Ksh 15B budget into human intelligence i.e buying information > > from > > informants than through spending it on to getting real-time > > images > from our > > cities. > > > > Rgds > > > > > > On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 2:42 PM, Phares Kariuki via kictanet < > > kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: > > > >> I'm not convinced it's a technology issue, rather a lack of > >> will. > We've > >> got people who benefit from the lack of security (ivory trade, > >> drugs > >> etc), > >> so the government is not incentivised to fight crime in general. > What the > >> government fails to realise is that petty crime finances larger > crimes. > >> Al > >> Shabaab does not have an investment bank where they can get a > convertible > >> note to finance a terror attack, it can't really list on the > >> NSE. > They > >> traffic drugs, ivory etc. The solution is a thorough crack down > >> on > crime > >> which generally tends to provide the intelligence bodies with > >> much > needed > >> intel. We can't eat our cake and have it too. The government > >> seems > >> to > >> think > >> that they can have lax security policy and still somehow secure
> >> country. > >> > >> We additionally need to look at who is in charge of security > >> policy. > It's > >> absurd to have someone who thinks that a crack down on tint (an > illegal > >> crack down no less) is in charge of the police force. The > >> individual > >> charged with enforcing the law does not understand or respect > >> the > law. > >> The > >> internal security minister is, frankly, clueless. We've got no > cohesive > >> security policy. > >> > >> Crime has always been an issue. You might have technology, but it's > worth > >> precious little if it takes the armed forces 4-5 hours to > >> respond, > or if > >> they will try and shake down the terrorist for bribes. A lot of > >> this > >> technology was not there in the eighties, nineties and > >> noughties. > >> > >> At this point, there is a shortage of police because they are > >> busy > >> washing > >> cars in the judiciary or guarding "VIP's". There is a shortage > >> of > police > >> cars because every "VIP" gets a chase car to ensure that they > >> are > >> insulated > >> from their policy failures (traffic, insecurity etc). The state > >> at > this > >> point does not really care about the citizen and it's primary > concern is > >> extracting the citizen (corporate included) to finance rent seekers > who > >> have no economic value. Our taxes keep increasing and because > >> the > state > >> has > >> a monopoly on violence, we are not really allowed to question > >> how > >> the > >> state > >> mis-uses our taxes. > >> > >> What we have is not a technology problem but rather general failure > of an > >> arm of government. > >> > >> > >> On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 2:09 PM, Gichuki John Chuksjonia via > kictanet < > >> kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: > >> > >>> Kenyan Government needs to install the concept of Command, > >>> Control, > >>> Communications, Computers, Intelligence, Surveillance and > >>> Reconnaissance "C4ISR", like the US and Israel did. The youth > >>> are > >>> capable of helping in such an initiative, and the Govt needs to > >>> use > >>> the youth instead of denying them projects, when we are the > >>> ones > >>> who > >>> know how to write applications, use computer networks to implement > ICT > >>> Products that cant effectively and efficiently help Kenyan > >>> Security > >>> > >>> ./Chucks > >>> > >>> On 6/16/14, Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet < > kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> > >>> wrote: > >>> > Listers, > >>> > > >>> > In case you might not have heard, there has been a very > >>> > serious > >>> > security > >>> > breach that has occurred in Mpeketoni, Lamu that has so far > claimed > >>> close > >>> > to 50 persons. > >>> > > >>> > The details on this are here > >>> > > >>> > http://www.nation.co.ke/news/mpeketoni-Lamu-gunfire-al-shabaab-terrorism/-/1... > >>> > > >>> > To put this into context, Mpeketoni is the largest town, bar > >>> > Lamu, > >>> between > >>> > the Somali Border and Malindi and the center of commercial > activity in > >>> the > >>> > region. > >>> > > >>> > So, as much as a lot of us might not know it, the fact that > Al-Shabbab > >>> > could drive trucks full of fighters into such a town and > >>> > commit > these > >>> > crimes and then leave should send all the security-bells that we > have > >>> > ringing. > >>> > > >>> > This is exactly how Boko Haram started in Nigeria and we are > seeing it > >>> > played out here right infront of us. > >>> > > >>> > I think its time that we spoke as the local ICT Community and > came up > >>> with > >>> > a stand on what in our opinion needs to be done in ICT Terms > >>> > to > secure > >>> this > >>> > nation. > >>> > > >>> > As an example, it would actually be very irresponsible of us > >>> > to > let a > >>> few > >>> > gentlemen to come together and tell us the solution to our > >>> > current > >>> security > >>> > problems, from an ICT perspective, is a police network deal
> >>> > largely > >>> > puts CCTV Cameras in Nairobi & Mombasa, when maybe nothing is > being > >>> spent > >>> > to secure our porous borders as well as actual on-the-ground > >>> intelligence > >>> > collection. > >>> > > >>> > We could send this as a proposal to the powers that be as > >>> > well > >>> > as > the > >>> > parliamentary ICT Committee and hope, nay, push, until something > gets > >>> done. > >>> > The way I see this working is, we draft a document, brief and > simple > >>> with > >>> > what our recommendations are, then Listers can comment on it. If > >>> > largely > >>> > agreeable, we send it to the powers that be. > >>> > > >>> > Let me now what your thoughts are, and we could see what we > >>> > can > >>> > do > >>> > about > >>> > this. > >>> > > >>> > -- > >>> > *Regards,* > >>> > > >>> > *Wait**haka Ngigi* > >>> > Chief Executive Officer | Alliance Technologies | MCK Nairobi > Synod > >>> > Building > >>> > T + 254 (0) 20 2333 471 |Office Mobile: +254 786 28 28 28 | M > >>> > + > 254 > >>> 737 811 > >>> > 000 > >>> > www.at.co.ke > >>> > > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> -- > >>> Gichuki John Ndirangu, C.E.H , C.P.T.P, O.S.C.P > >>> I.T Security Analyst and Penetration Tester > >>> jgichuki at inbox d0t com > >>> > >>> {FORUM}http://lists.my.co.ke/pipermail/security/ > >>> http://chuksjonia.blogspot.com/ > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> kictanet mailing list > >>> kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > >>> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > >>> > >>> Unsubscribe or change your options at > >>> > https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/pkariuki%40gmail.com > >>> > >>> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder > platform > >>> for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT > >>> policy > and > >>> regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in > >>> the > ICT > >>> sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and > >>> development. > >>> > >>> KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable > behaviors > >>> online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and > >>> bandwidth, > >>> share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect > privacy, > >>> do > >>> not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Warm Regards, > >> > >> Phares Kariuki > >> > >> *E*: pkariuki@gmail.com | *Twitter*: kaboro |* Skype*: > kariukiphares | > >> *B* > >> : http://www.kaboro.com/ | > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> kictanet mailing list > >> kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > >> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > >> > >> Unsubscribe or change your options at > >> > https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/ngigi%40at.co.ke > >> > >> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder > platform > >> for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT > >> policy > >> and > >> regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in
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