Barrack You make a valid point. Thought I'm not yet convinced. One of the key issues here is about Communications. If the relevant agencies can just have the foresight to engage we probably would be discussing these issues with a lot more sobriety. Ali Hussein Principal Hussein & Associates +254 0713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but a habit." ~ Aristotle Sent from my iPad
On 21 Feb 2017, at 6:22 AM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Wash,
Many thanks for your email. I encourage you to have a look at the ISO 27,000 Series of Standards. They are very good Standards for Information Security(see https://www.itgovernance.co.uk/iso27000-family) for a quick explanation.
Actually it is good practice to have public and private organizations certified just as we had the ISO 9000 series quality management standards that were part of the government appraisal system. The Standards are very good for managing streamlining internal information system processes including the management of suppliers and other people interfacing with the organizations systems, however stakeholder engagement and involvement to ensure there is buy in is highly recommended. I suspect this is where ICTA has missed the point albeit being well intentioned. I think the only organization that is certified or is ready to be certified is CA on this series of standards. Kenya through Kenya Bureau of Standards is a voting member (P) in the International Standards Organization and domesticates most of this standards which are then referred to as KENISO Standards. Most are very good standards that can be used in the public and private sector but require understanding. They are also very cheap (ranging from KES 3000). I encourage listers who have time to visit the KEBS library and see for themselves what is available. Meanwhile ICTA needs to engage the public to explain what they are trying to achieve since this is where they slipped. This is however different from the issue of practitioners.
Regards
On 2/21/17, Ali Hussein via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: GB and listers
This simply is incredulous. We seem to have come to a point where we have a ministry which seems to be speaking a different language to the community and country it purposes to serve.
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On 21 Feb 2017, at 12:51 AM, Grace B via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Listers, We may need to ask ourselves what public participation means. I remember we had a long debate here in December 2016 about this regulation of the profession through the backdoor. Many listers raised valid points about the issue. Why then would the Ministry through ICTA proceed to implement the problematic directive anyway?
At a policy level there is even more confusion. The government states that it wants to get more youth to enjoy the benefits of government tendering. The same government acknowledges that the youth are significant players in ICT services/goods. Then the same government goes ahead to give a policy that will lead to more hurdles for ordinary youth and their eventual exclusion in tendering for ICT services. What is!
At the risk of repetition, here is a link to Kwame Owino's article on policy corruption. He argues that some policies are designed to favour certain elite people and this ICTA directive (as read with our discussions in December 2016) seems to be just that. One can even argue that this policy excludes ICT procurement from the AGPO policy and the ease of doing business in Kenya aspirations.
I will not even get into the issue of basis. How does a government entity wake up and decide to start a licencing regime? Does anyone understand what legal provision they are anchoring this on? I hope that ICTA or the Ministry can favour us with an explanation.
Regards,
2017-02-20 22:42 GMT+03:00 Anderson Levi via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>:
If I may I think what Wash, is saying is that many on this list may not be aware of what is being implemented a.k.a. the noise of other issues is obscuring it.
On 20 Feb 2017 21:31, "Barrack Otieno via kictanet" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Hi Wash,
This is a different issue. It has to do with standardization of IT processes using ISO Standards that are domesticated at Kenya Bureau of Standards like the ISO 27000 series that focus on IT Security and Governance. ICTA and KEBS have been engaging on how this can be achieved for the past year.
Regards
On 2/20/17, Odhiambo Washington via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Hello Listers,
Sorry to interfere with the debate on CA spying on us. There is a short break as Okiya Omtatah fights for and maintains our freedoms...
Please read the attachment and let me know what you think...
It looks like the ICTA/MoICT are implementing something ...
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