Here's a good read:Regulatory Perspectives on Net Neutrality. Touches on zero rating as well:
http://cis-india.org/internet-governance/blog/regulatory-perspectives-on-net-neutrality

Regards, 
Nanjira.

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Today's Topics:

  1. Re: (Barrack Otieno)
  2. Redefine Issue; Net neutrality 'first world' problem?
     (Wangari Kabiru)
  3. Re: Redefine Issue; Net neutrality 'first world' problem?
     (Baiju Shah)


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Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2016 23:26:37 +0300
From: Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com>
To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>
Cc: Baiju Shah <baiju@telemedia.co.ke>, Nanjira Sambuli
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Colleagues,

I think we are all right depending on which angle you understand the
issue of net neutrality. My only problem is that the local
conversation has largely been  driven by assumption. I was once told
that assumption is the lowest form of knowledge (not sure if this is
correct). I think we need a factual conversation around Net
Neutrality, as we wait for Nanjira's study it might be usefull if
anyone can share Studies that were conducted in other region and
policy interventions that leveled the playing ground in terms of
Service Provider, Government and End User (Consumer) expectations.

Thank you

Best Regards

On 2/27/16, Baiju Shah via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
My view is simply do we all even understand what we are discussing here? My
firm belief here is that we do not even understand what our local market
requirements are and therefore the debate.
All have to recognise there is s cost of running the network properly and
this cost will be shared by the players who use this network yo provide
services to the various provider.

There needs to be an informed discussion..

On 27 Feb 2016, at 19:47, Waithaka Ngigi via kictanet
<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:

I often wonder...

Would we make the choices we are making about Net Neutrality if we had
never used the Internet before?

Aren't we making these choices from the PoV of the privileged few? in
Africa who have constant access to the Net to a point where we taking it
for granted?

?Is it not similiar to say someone contributing maize to a hungry family
in Kenya and then someone insisting that unless it's a full balanced diet,
there can be no contribution.

Or is the issue the contributors? The fact that they are commercial firms.


We have had Wikipedia free on Airtel for awhile, yet nothing much about
Net Neutrality has been said....

This thing is quite a mind twister...

Waithaka Ngigi

Alliance Technologies
www.at.co.ke
From: Ali Hussein via kictanet
Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2016 12:19 PM
To: Ngigi Waithaka
Reply To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
Cc: Ali Hussein; Nanjira Sambuli; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Net neutrality 'first world' problem?

Good analogy Kivuva.

Ali Hussein
Tel: +254 713 601113

On Feb 27, 2016 11:59 AM, "Mwendwa Kivuva" <lordmwesh@gmail.com> wrote:
Let us debate on the notion of "bread" ? alone.

We all know lack of a balanced diet brings kwashiorkor. And it brings
stunted growth too. Forget zika virus, normal children in Africa get
smaller brains because of the stunted growth.

Take that analogy and compare it to the malnutritioned internet being
paraded around. Out children too will develop intellectual Kwashiorkor

On Feb 27, 2016 10:17 AM, "Ali Hussein via kictanet"
<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Ebele

It has to do with the issue of Third Party Liability.

Ali Hussein
Tel: +254 713 601113

On Feb 27, 2016 10:01 AM, "Ebele Okobi" <ebeleokobi@fb.com> wrote:
I'm curious-what does the KFCB demand that Google censor content have
to do with net neutrality?

Ebele Okobi | Head of Public Policy, Africa
m. +44 (0) 771 156 1315
10 Brock Street | London | NW1 3FG
ebeleokobi@fb.com



On Feb 27, 2016, at 5:32 AM, Ali Hussein via kictanet
<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:

Nanjira

The CS is definitely entitled to his opinion. Like all of us. My
concern is of course that his opinion can be construed to be
Government Policy. And Net Neutrality cannot be distilled in such a
simplistic way.

I think it's high time this country and the rest of Africa have a deep
conversation about what Net Neutrality means for us.

Take for example the issue of KFCB the other day when the CEO
announced that they have asked Google to take down the 'offending'
video of same sex marriage/love endorsement.

I was astounded that the whole discussion degenerated to the issue of
homosexuality!!

My questions and concerns were quite clear and they alluded to our
total lack of policy regarding Net Neutrality. And address in an ICT
Forum.

KFCB used the right tools to ask for the video take down. The same
tools have been used by other governments.

With all due respect to the CS but I think he needs to be careful not
to simplify this important matter. Let's discuss it fully and come up
with our own Net Neutrality version. This definitely doesn't include
abdicating our responsibilities as a country to global internet
companies. This will be a recipe for disaster.

Ali Hussein
Principal
Hussein & Associates
+254 0713 601113 / 0770906375

Twitter: @AliHKassim
Skype: abu-jomo
LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim


"Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking
what no one else has thought".  ~ Albert Szent-Gy?rgyi

Sent from my iPad

On 27 Feb 2016, at 8:08 AM, Nanjira Sambuli via kictanet
<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:

This is at least the second piece citing the CS' point of view.
It might be in order to write a letter to him explaining why it is
not a first world problem.


Regards,
Nanjira.

Sent from my iPhone.

On 27 Feb 2016, at 07:44, kictanet-request@lists.kictanet.or.ke
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Net neutrality 'first world' problem? (Ali Hussein)

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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2016 12:06:14 +0300
From: Wangari Kabiru <wangarikabiru@yahoo.co.uk>
To: Liz <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>
Subject: [kictanet] Redefine Issue; Net neutrality 'first world'
   problem?
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Happy Saturday!

We've got to be a demand to ourselves and our communities to be a stand for more and not just enough or just a shot!

Nairobi and Kenya is touted all over as the innovation hub. This thinking if adopted by all of us will only not keep us there or at best will keep us as a testing hub in the name of an innovative hub.

Secondly, using all the experiences of the so called first world, how might we catapult our growth versus just following suite? We must be able to create our own trail, not just accept a few shots to get high on.

Half a loaf theorem is really killing our people. There is evidence all over- Traditional NGO speak. What does it take to have the whole loaf and icing cake too. In other words the highest potential experience from the onset.

While we credit efforts by different players to meet community challenges such as nusu internet, the big brother herein Government must own the bigger vision and responsibility.

For all it is worth, we are in dire need of all the exposed brains to not be satisfied with just enough even in this evolving ICTs field.

Blessed day.

Regard/Wangari On Feb 26, 2016 21:43, Liz Orembo via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:


Interesting read.

http://mgafrica.com/article/2016-02-24-africa-internet-access-more-important-for-africa-than-net-neutrality-which-is-a-first-world-problem/

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Date: Mon, 29 Feb 2016 07:43:14 +0300
From: Baiju Shah <baiju@telemedia.co.ke>
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Subject: Re: [kictanet] Redefine Issue; Net neutrality 'first world'
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Hi Wangari,

Issue here is cultural and therefore we seem to accept sub standard products.

Further we compare sub standard products with high quality products.

Then we have the issue of get rich quick.

This makes us accept poor products.

Best Regards,
Baiju

On 27 Feb 2016, at 12:06, Wangari Kabiru via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:

Happy Saturday!

We've got to be a demand to ourselves and our communities to be a stand for more and not just enough or just a shot!

Nairobi and Kenya is touted all over as the innovation hub. This thinking if adopted by all of us will only not keep us there or at best will keep us as a testing hub in the name of an innovative hub.

Secondly, using all the experiences of the so called first world, how might we catapult our growth versus just following suite? We must be able to create our own trail, not just accept a few shots to get high on.

Half a loaf theorem is really killing our people. There is evidence all over- Traditional NGO speak. What does it take to have the whole loaf and icing cake too. In other words the highest potential experience from the onset.

While we credit efforts by different players to meet community challenges such as nusu internet, the big brother herein Government must own the bigger vision and responsibility.

For all it is worth, we are in dire need of all the exposed brains to not be satisfied with just enough even in this evolving ICTs field.

Blessed day.

Regard/Wangari

On Feb 26, 2016 21:43, Liz Orembo via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:

Interesting read.

http://mgafrica.com/article/2016-02-24-africa-internet-access-more-important-for-africa-than-net-neutrality-which-is-a-first-world-problem/

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Liz.

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