Then, let's agree on the criteria. ICT Authority is part of the KICTANET community, let's engage them, instead of shooting in your defense. Let's get a constructive multi-stakeholder engagement.

I am afraid that having a few highly opinionated people rule mailing lists stalls multi-stakeholder participation.

On Dec 2, 2016 10:00 AM, "Ahmed Mohamed Maawy via kictanet" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:

Its not really about why people feel insecure. Its about what policy is meant to do. Why? Technologists are not doctors or lawyers.

With all due respect. What does the education system offer as a yardstick for competence? Most of us got jobs before we even graduated school. And we went on to work for projects and institutions that went on to win Awards in the international arena.

You see, IT is not about being a Doctor or being a Lawyer (where theory is a factor). IT is an operational field. IT, more than any other field - is based on Talent. Not much on Knowledge. This is why we have so many people out of Uni looking for Internships that they can not find. In a market where the dynamics are governed by people who did not even do that degree - to drive technical jobs.

And yes, we have several CEOs in several companies who (and some of them entrepreneur their own way through) did not even do a BCom at the least. Some of them did not even see an higher learning institution.

We need to understand that the market dynamics are shifting. Schools in developing are evolving. Why? Because Technology has changed the education field. The education field is not changing technology. Apologies if we believe so.

Just my two cents.

On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 9:39 AM, Collins Areba via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:

@Dorcas.
Before we even get to answering why many people are insecure about the discussion, I would point to the more obvious question. What are the protagonists trying to do? what are they trying to solve? Unfortunately thus far, It is not clear. What is in need of regulation? and why does it need to be regulated? is this regulation for regulation's sake?

I did mention yesterday that from my point of view, Regulation makes sense only where there is a limited resource, shared by many, which left without regulation would result in disorder and "law of the jungle". Which ICT component is this that needs to be streamlined to prevent it from spiralling out of control?

From where I sit, It feels like a bunch of individuals feel shortchanged about the time, effort and money they spent in learning "the science" only to come out here and find the arena flattened by the same technology. It feels like "the bill" which seeks to assign non existent value to those that feel some level of entitlement to that "ict professional" title purely on the basis of having done ICT formally.

I stand corrected.

On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 9:02 AM, Dorcas Muthoni via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:

Why are so many people insecure about this topic.

Can a bank CEO act as the principal legal officer of a bank? Why not?

Which Innovators are these people are referring to? As far as I know, most of the referenced global innovators dropped out of some computer science programs and employ thousands of highly qualified CS and engineering graduates.

I don't think starting a box-pushing or software license reselling entity coupled with hiring a few technicians can turn anyone into a domain professional. Let's get this straight and boldly address the true issues at hand.

Obviously, this loose arrangement is leading to the proliferation of extreme tender-prenuership.

Can anyone point me to potential local Bill Gates, Larry Page or Mark Mark Zuckerberg. We can't use such example to complicate this discussion.

If anything, we should be providing a friendly environment those with money and great experience invest in highly scalable startups.

Nothing bars anyone who falls short of an agreed criteria from working on it.

Obviously, we cannot water down such an important topic.

On Dec 1, 2016 10:28 PM, "Alfred Kinyua via kictanet" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:

Two things stand out, concerning ICT Authority.
1. Conformance of set standards (raising the bar).
2. locking out unqualified personnel, where government has interests .
This is not a trivial issue, because one might be qualified but incompetent (theorists) / unsitable, while the opposite might be true, unqualufied but competent/suitable, this is true for ICT realtad mattets. Personally I thing further probing is required.

On Dec 1, 2016 22:01, "Beryl Aidi via kictanet" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:

Hi All,

Law and policy seldom exist in a vacuum. Does anyone know anywhere in the world where the kind of regulation or ICT standards being anticipated to be used to weed out quacks have been used successfully? Successfully here being key, which means no victimization of those without any certifications that may exist; startups; or those just playing around and happen to stumble on something that may end up taking the world by storm; and by no means a way to stifle internet freedoms. Anyone knows where such a model exists? My two cents.

Beryl Aidi

On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 9:41 PM, Waithaka Ngigi via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:

In summary... ICT is "...A coalition of The Willing..."

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Exactly!
ICT is a disruptive sector. It is unfortunate when we attempt to define it as one would engineering, or architecture, or survey. The action - reaction - feedback - correction continum time wise is soo tiny. A decision for instance in some of these association, say which colour to paint a wall might take four months.

I would still ask, what is the problem we are trying to solve? If this can be defined we should be in a position to find solutions collectively.

On 1 Dec 2016 21:12, "Mwendwa Kivuva" <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com> wrote:

The said procurement quacks are like Josephine Kabura. But they are not really quacks because they work as conduits for their masters in high places.

If it was possible to weed out "quacks" from the industry, the said masters would still use the "professionals" to commit heinous crimes.

Show me major scandals in Kenya conducted by quacks and I will show you a liar. Goldenberg, Anglo-leasing, euro bond...

On Dec 1, 2016 7:36 PM, "Collins Areba via kictanet" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:

I believe regulation should only be present where there is a limited, shared resource that might be subject to abuse. Short of having a set of rules: don't test an EMP in a built up area, don't access government servers even if their passwords are admin, admin. Don't give the president's number on twitter, etc etc etc. That is progressive legislation.

On 1 Dec 2016 18:24, "Collins Areba" <arebacollins@gmail.com> wrote:

Dorcas: show me the chaos. Then we discuss order.

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Collins,

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On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 6:15 PM +0300, "Collins Areba via kictanet" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:

Personally I seek examples of the damage done by the said quacks that professional institutions haven't done. The distinct point of departure which will show the distinct difference so as to justify regulation.

On 1 Dec 2016 17:32, "waudo siganga via kictanet" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:

Kivuva, you forgot Zuckerberg.

On Thu, Dec 1, 2016, at 11:47 AM, Mwendwa Kivuva via kictanet wrote:

College drop outs who rule the world.

Michael Saul Dell, William Henry “Bill” Gates iii, Paul Gardner Allen, Lawrence Joseph Ellison, Stephen “Woz” Wozniak, Steven Paul Jobs, Robert Edward “Ted” Turner iii

http://lord.me.ke/college-dropouts-who-rule-the-world/

I wonder who among those would be considered an ICT pro in Kenya.

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On 1 December 2016 at 12:03, Ali Hussein via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:

The real important question has not been answered. Not since the term ICT started being used.

WHO IS AN ICT PRACTITIONER?

And who is this WATCHDOG who will abrogate himself/herself the role of GateKeeper and RentSeeker?

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On 1 Dec 2016, at 10:51 AM, Athar Ahmad Bhatti via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:

Brian they will implant a chip in your brain and track your IQ to see whether you are fit for IT. Whereas the millennial generation will lose most as they are hands on.

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On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 10:43 AM +0300, "Brian Muhia via kictanet" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:

This is only to be applied to people trying to do contract jobs for the government, right?

On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 10:27 AM WANGARI KABIRU via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:

Blessed Thursday!

Might the sector be getting its shape?

Private schooling started as an innovative approach to education - now we even have more innovative home schooling and best practice approaches. Healthcare etc

Who has helped to weed out quacks proactively in most instances - it is the industry associations working with the governments. An angle to borrow from.

"....He said the authority will in the next couple of weeks launch ICT standards where every professional in the field seeking to serve public service must comply.

“One of the things which we are doing very soon in the next couple of weeks, is that we shall be launching ICT standard, these are ICT national standards and we plan on having them effective from first of January and based on that vendors will have to comply with the standards,” said the CEO, adding that those who will not comply to the standards will be blacklisted..."

How might the players engage in the discourse to give it shape while keep its jelly-nature?

Be blessed.

Regards/Wangari

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On Thursday, 1 December 2016, 8:43, Ahmed Mohamed Maawy via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:

Well in this case this dog could come biting back at the same people who unleashed it. That is if we take into consideration how our institutions are run.

On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 7:36 AM, Ali Hussein via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:

Listers

All Information Communication and Technology (ICT) professionals will now be vetted to weed out quacks and sanitise the industry, ICT Authority chief executive officer Robert Mugo said yesterday.

He said the authority is alarmed by the rising of cases of individuals and groups masquerading as ICT experts seeking to tender for services in the counties.

Read on:-

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