I concur lets keep all discussion civilized King'ang'i -----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+fes=iconnect.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+fes=iconnect.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Alex Gakuru Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 5:55 PM To: fes@iconnect.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fwd: SV: [AfrISPA.Discuss] Undersea cableplantangled in acrimony inSouth Africa I know that I am usually hard hitting at my opposition discussants, but I am feel expressions used below are uncalled for no matter how opposed the writer's view is. --- Joseph Manthi <jmanthi@gmail.com> wrote:
Sean, You of all people, a man living in England, reaping wealth from the ignorance of Africans, should not be making comments like these. You do not want Africans to realize what is going on. Do not wake a sleeping giant. It is high time we started taking care of our own. Why do you think that what SA is doing is "Rubbish"? Doesn't this honourable minister have the right to protect SA assets from nyangaus like you?
I wish every African government is like South Africa where we can weed off foreign ownership of African assets.
Bravo SA.
Joe
On 9/13/07, Sean Moroney <seanm@aitecafrica.com> wrote:
Yes, the security angle struck me as typical Newspeak from a regime that can get away with rubbish like that where there is no effective opposition. How like their Apartheid forebears they sound!
Sean Moroney Chairman AITEC Africa seanm@aitecafrica.com
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Behalf Of Kai Wulff Sent: 12 September 2007 12:54 To: seanm@aitecafrica.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fwd: SV: [AfrISPA.Discuss] Undersea cable plantangled in acrimony inSouth Africa
I second that!
It is comforting to know that SA will provide security to Africa by insisting on a majority ownership of the cables!
I am sure this attitude will change once Kenya receives capacity @ less than
USD 100,- per M ..
Kai ----- Original Message ----- From: <bitange@jambo.co.ke> To: <kai.wulff@kdn.co.ke> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 14:44 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fwd: SV: [AfrISPA.Discuss] Undersea cable plan tangled in acrimony inSouth Africa
I used to have a difficult time explaining to fellow Kenyans that it was very difficult dealing with our brothers in SA because at every meeting goal posts kept on shifting. Perharps now everybody understands that the veto power in the NEPAD protocol was a control tool. Below please find additional material.
Ndemo.
Cables require local ownership BY DAMARIA SENNE & CHRISTELLE DU TOIT <mailto:damaria@itweb.co.za> [ Johannesburg, 10 September 2007 ]
South Africa requires that all undersea cables landing here be majority owned by South Africans, says communications Minister Ivy Matsepe-Casaburri.
Speaking at the Southern African Telecommunications Networks and Applications Conference (Satnac) 2007, in Mauritius, this morning, Matsepe-Casaburri said government was happy with indications that investors plan to land cables in the country. However, she will soon announce new landing guidelines that require that "all cables " landing in SA be majority owned by South Africans, she said.
The guidelines will also be consistent with SA's foreign policy and take the security of the country, and the African continent, into consideration, she said. "Every cable landing or leaving SA should incorporate in it the Nepad [New Partnership for Africa's Development] Broadband Infrastructure Network." Security measures are important, given the state of our insecure world, she added.
Matsepe-Casaburri said that she instructed Dep.of Communications Dir-General Lyndall Shope-Mafole to propose the landing guidelines to the Interim Inter-Governmental Assembly for discussion. She also noted that her department studied the communications regulations of other countries when drafting the landing guidelines, ensuring
international trends.
Determination expected BMI-TechKnowledge senior analyst Richard Hurst says the implications of the ownership stipulations are that "those who do end up rolling out cables will have to do so via partnerships". He cites Seacom and Neotel's interaction as an example of this, where "Neotel basically would control the landing rights of Seacom in SA". According to Hurst, "government is trying to hedge its bets", but the stipulations set out by the minister have generally been expected. He says South African companies should benefit from the
consumer. "It should open up access to those cables and bring prices down." He adds that, as the international community moves towards always-on broadband, SA will also increasingly need high-speed capacity. However he reiterates: "The more bandwidth we have, the better."
Investor support Meanwhile, Matsepe-Casaburri said SA was convinced it was on the right path to break away from the Eassy (Eastern Africa Submarine Cable System) cable project and support the Nepad Broadband Infrastructure Network, as well as initiating its own undersea cable systems.
She said there was strong support from potential investors in the Nepad Broadband (?) Infrastructure Network. "Instead of
from us, we have a lot of support from investors." SA and other African governments broke away from
larger operators taking part in the initiative bought such large quantities of capacity that there would never be fair access for smaller operators, she noted.
EASSY project was not in line with the Nepad objective, which was to facilitate fair and open access for all telecoms
On they are consistent with directives, as should the people running away the Eassy project because providers to lower the
cost of telecoms on the continent, she said. She noted that SA's Parliament had ratified the Nepad Broadband Infrastructure Network protocol.
fyi from the AfrISPA discuss list....
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