Wambua,

The issue we are having is about this 'device' tapping into Telcos networks and being able to do a,b,c

If that 'device' was as benign as you put it, I think CA would be more forthcoming with info, which you haven't so far. You are only describing to us your problem, but not addressing our concerns.

There's no way under our laws where CA taps into a telco then decides for itself what data it'd like to take.

If you think we're overreacting, this sounds *exactly* like one of those programs NSA introduced in the US to collect data from the Telcos. 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tempora

Same devices, different 'excuses'! You just chose the 'counterfeits' excuse.

If you want this to go away, and you are genuinely interested in going against counterfeits as opposed to using that as an excuse to tap into customers data(that's how it's coming out), spin this around....

Say, we have a device that can detect counterfeits. To do that, we require that all Telcos hence forth, on a Realtime basis, to provide us with the following data:
1.
2.
3.

Given the above data, we'll provide the Telco on a Realtime basis, the devices legitimacy status (counterfeit or not)

Simple, easy to defend, clean... As Truth almost always is....



On 19 Feb 2017 9:27 a.m., "Wambua, Christopher via kictanet" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Nanjira 

Your fears are unjustified. The system only focuses on the device not content. The initial phase of the switch off of counterfeit devices did not address clones. As a result, it was agreed a second phase would be necessary to deal with the menace of counterfeits in a holistic manner. 

Regards

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On 19 Feb 2017, at 08:09, Nanjira Sambuli via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:

Thanks for sharing, Kanini.

This issue reeks of  sinister intents. For instance, if CA switched off 1.5 million counterfeit devices in 2012 without this DMS, why is it needed now? 
Furthermore, The CA statement didn't ease the tension at hand, only raised more questions.

http://www.nation.co.ke/news/plan-to-tap-phones-raises-eyebrows/1056-3818828-skf8hl/index.html

This is an election year. From shopping for police armoury to even previous reports of CA investing in equipment to "monitor online spaces", we have every right to be anxious and demand clarity.

Regards, 
Nanjira.

Sent on the move.

On 18 Feb 2017, at 19:36, kanini mutemi <kaninimutemi@gmail.com> wrote:

On that 'consumer awareness' and 'public participation' note. There's a Bill now before the Senate on Public Participation prescribing guidelines on how adequate public participation ought to be carried out. This being an election year it might not become law but could inform future legislative efforts on this area. Find attached. 

On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 6:51 PM, Nanjira Sambuli via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Noting that Okiya Omtatah has filed a petition in court, and there should be a hearing on Monday. 

The consumer awareness couldn’t be rolled out fast enough. 


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From: Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke>
Subject: Re: [kictanet] [isoc_ke] Govt to start phone tapping in war on counterfeit trade - Daily Nation
Date: 17 February 2017 at 13:01:03 EAT
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Rachel, Wambua

Thank you for your prompt response. However, other than take your word for it it would also be prudent for the Telcos (Safaricom, Orange, Airtel) to also let us know their thoughts on this without fear of being victimized.

Steve? Anyone from Orange here with authority to speak? How about Airtel? 

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On 17 Feb 2017, at 10:02 AM, Alwala, Rachel via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:

Dear listers, 

We are aware about the misleading reports in the media. The Authority will address the media shortly to clarify and explain how the system works.  There is no infringement of privacy. As a matter of fact, no information leaves the MNOs. Instead the system queries the databases (whitelist, type approved devices etc) to determine the genuineness of a device before service is given. What part of that is infringement of privacy?

We will share the statement with you to help all of you understand. No one needs to be instilled with fear that is generated by parties with vested interests. we want to eliminate illegal telecoms traffic through SIM boxing, counterfeit devices, substandard devices etc, for your good as the public. Not the other way as portrayed in the media. 

Rachel 

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On Feb 17, 2017, at 09:43, Grace B via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:

But on what legal basis is the phone tapping being done?
The closest connection I can see to the issue of counterfeit devices is the Type Approval Regulations, 2010.
If this is the basis, how can subsidiary legislation be used to limit a right like privacy?
Could CA clarify on what basis this is happening???

On 16 Feb 2017 8:02 p.m., "Ali Hussein via isoc" <isoc@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Listers

From Tuesday, the government wants to be allowed to listen to your calls, read your texts and review your mobile money transactions.

The government, through the Communications Authority of Kenya, has ordered mobile phone companies to allow it to tap their computers.

Read on:-

http://www.nation.co.ke/news/Government-likely-to-start-phone-tapping/1056-3816372-m5vnfx/index.html

Ali Hussein
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Annual Graduate Recruitment 2017

Making an Impact

 

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The Annual Graduate Recruitment (AGR) drive season is here with us again.

 

We will be running the AGR 2017 campaign on the following social media platforms: Twitter, Facebook, LinkedIn and WhatsApp. We encourage you to retweet, like, share and comment to create more awareness about the recruitment.

 

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