For once I get to make my comment on the day it is due (good job, Brian - keep it up) .......  {I heard that when you start talking to yourself you should get worried..... how about when you start sending email to yourself?}

HAHAHAHA!

Anyway on a more serious note, some years ago I had a v. interesting dialog on this issue of submarine infrastructure. The people I was talking to (don't remember exactly who)  {is loss of memory a sign of age, senility, insanity or all 3 together} hehehe.....

---as I was saying, the people I was talking to mentioned that the perfect model has existed for the longest time in the oil & gas pipelines in different parts of Europe. These cross multiple jurisdictions, are critical to the livelihoods and economies of all the stakeholders, support the existence and stability of a wide spectrum of sectors, and at the end of day provide something that an individual or family pays for.

Taking all of the above into consideration - these projects are deliberately designed not to make a profit. (In fact it was hinted that some of them are designed to make a loss - pssst don't say anything to the banks - snicker, snicker, hee, hee)

So at the end of the day you have a consortium<ouch> or group of parties that come together to form an SPV <yay> which then raises the funds required and builds the damn thing - so that all the various "downstream" parties can make their money, needless to say this helps the circulation of currency, etc, etc, etc...

So, my take is that OpenAccess - SPV - build at cost - don't aim for profit - facilitate growth elsewhere is the way to go....

I'll stop now because if I don't I may start writing some of the things I want to say to myself in a separate email ;-)

Brian


On Jan 25, 2007, at 10:29 AM, Eric Osiakwan wrote:

I dont understand what you mean by c) Open Access Model (Proposed by Academia/Civil Societies), not that i have any problem with who proposed it but i think the premise is what does it mean as a model?

Open Access primarily underscores the need to consider other elements other than private interest so Open Access is actually the multistakeholder model that tries to unify or bring under one umbrella the various interest. Be it private, public, academia, CS etc.

NB: There is also a Hybrid model but sorry am not in a position to dig on it right now


On 25 Jan 2007, at 10:44, John Walubengo wrote:

O.K....

Even though Badru has jumped ahead into Day 5 theme (i.e
Best Model) I wish to confirm if we are agreed that there
seems to be only the three models for Providing OFC,
namely, 
a) Purely Private Sector (Practiced in Developed Economies)
b) Consortium Model (Practiced in SAT3 example)
c) Open Access Model (Proposed by Academia/Civil Societies)

could there be a 4th model out there? Maybe there is a
middle ground model where all stakeholders are happy. Plse
voice your opinion today before tomorrow - where we shall
start a new Theme on 'appropriate Regulatory models for
managing OFC'.

walu.
Themes Reminder
1) Why OFC (1day)
2) Existing Business Models for OFC (2days)
3) Existing/Appropriate Regulatory Models for OFC (2days)
4) Best Model (Business+Regulatory) for E. Africans (2days)
5) Projected Impact on Stakeholders (2days) 
6) Reconciling Stakeholder interests/Conclusions (2days)

--- John Walubengo <jwalubengo@kcct.ac.ke> wrote:

Some interesting insights from Badru and Njorohio...

walu.

Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 19:16:22 +0300
From: Badru Ntege <ntegeb@one2net.co.ug>
To: APC - Private list for use by EASSY Workshop
Participants
CC: African Information Society Initiative - Discussion
Forum
DigAfrica@yahoogroups.com, John Walubengo
Africa ICT Policy Forum <africtic@dgroups.org>
Subject: Re: [Fibre-for-africa] Join KICTAnet's online
discuission: What is
the best model for providing the Fiber Optic Submarine
Cable to East
Africans?

I think we all know "who shot EASSY". it was politics and
egos which 
have never been good bed fellows. The guilty parties that
pulled the 
trigger are kenya and South Africa though the jury is
still out on this. 
Then along the way came some other characters who used
the impasse to 
get some free publicity (we all know who they are ). when
time to pay up 
came they all disappeared and guess who is suffering.

If government's and Nepad want to be in please consult
the community, 
lay the law and rules of engagement and stay away. then
next should be 
those who have the pockets to come in and build the
fiber.

I mean at the end of the day business rules will kick in
and eventually 
the price will come down. If government wants to
intervene to bring 
costs down then give the businesses an incentive to offer
good pricing, 
maybe tax waivers etc.

Lets forget the nice world in the clouds where everyone
has access and 
buys at the same price etc. Some things need to be given
time to develop 
naturaly.

Many things and services in all our walks of life are
built by private 
entities some are closed clubs and others are open. that
is a business 
decision.

Forget open access and all that baloony, all those
consultants who were 
singing all this nice to the ears stuff are back sitting
behind there 
10mB links costing them a few dollars while we are
sitting on our 16k 
32k links moaning EASSY.

Bottom line allow the operators to build the cable
Set operating criteria and acceptable pricing levels
Government concentrates on facilitating internal networks
to Rural 
communities
Encourage the production of local content
Put in measures that will create demand and thus market
forces to bring 
the prices down.

my 2 cents


gathuri njorohio wrote:
Hi All
The EASSY cable implementation seems to be stalling due
to 
disagreement on financing and the way to operate and
manage it.
The Eastern african countries will continue being
overcharged for 
their international traffic when they pass through
satellite due to 
lack of this cheap way of carrying traffic through the
submarine cable.
We are aware of the regional economic bodies that are
mandated to 
promote trade between the countries and I suggest that
they should 
also invest in ICT .COMESA and SADC are the bodies
catering for trade 
in south and eastern Africa.Why can't they take the
opportunity to 
invest in this cable so that it can benefit the
countries they are 
serving.
A company can be formed answerable to these two bodies
for the 
installation , maintenance and operation of this cable.
The western africa and central africa can do the same
for the western 
cable link.
The existing cables can continue to give redundancy for
the new cables.
The e commission of the NEPAD could facilitate these
intiatives as a 
neutral body for the development of Africa.
Eng. Njorohio
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    The Last Frontier: The East African Coast remains
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    in the
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others promise
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