--- Benjamin Makai <benmakai@yahoo.com> wrote: ...snip> In ICT evidence is key to an concern raised and at what level it happened....do we have auditors..more so systems and processes auditors in this list? <snip ------ Ben, I was challenged by the above statement and felt I could take the opportunity to confirm that indeed the list has several IS auditors. Indeed Preston (preston@k-90ea.com) one of the founder Chair of ISACA-Kenya Chapter (Information Systems Audit & Control Assosciation, www.isaca.org) has been one of the guys who likes lurking silently in the background ;-). Most of you might be more familiar with the CISA or CISM exams that are administered by ISACA and are internationally recognised as the key qualifications particularly when it comes to Information Security in business enterprises. And just going back to Lizzete's type of concerns, I think in future, it would be wise to consider ISACA-Kenya Chapter as one of the bodies that should be included for board membership in Kenya ICT Board, KENIC Board, KICTANet Board, CSK Board, etc,etc. walu. --- Benjamin Makai <benmakai@yahoo.com> wrote:
Theuri !! My questions still upholds.. at what stage or phase of the process can one cite and say it is where things went wrong? Enlighten us....please !!
I beleive in evidence..Am not in governemnt nor am in evidenceless scenarios.... We can only learn by highlighting where their was deviation from the norms or agreed ways acceptable by all standards..proffessional, political etc.......Lets not just be a a list of people who support anything based on nothing.
Educate others whom may share my concerns,at what stage of bill making process things went wrong..Lets brainstorm on possible causes of this, and at the same time identify the solutions to this now and in future..By doing so, then we shall be building a healthy nation.....In ICT evidence is key to an concern raised and at what level it happened....do we have auditors..more so systems and processes auditors in this list?
Think of it and ask what can be done to ensure minimal people will not pass what we dont agree on in the future and how all stakeholders opinions can always be factored in any situation be it that is being effected by technocrats, politicians etc for they are not the final say...and dwell on what is practical and realistic using approved and acceptable measures and indicators.
Thats whats interest towards a common goal is all about...not minitutes of fame through demos....and uncalled for immature actions.
mike.theuri@gmail.com> Mike Theuri <wrote: Press freedom is often a measure of a society's openness and suitability of practising business in a free society. The government's willingness to uphold constitutional freedoms and rights is another measure by which investors can gauge whether the government supports an open society and whether that government is able to respect and follow the laid down laws. Unfortunately the law making process failed to follow ordinary norms when the clause was passed by a small minority not representative of tthe majority represented in parliament and were it not for freedom of expression the law would likely have made it into the books.
Would we as a country rather receive negative press like Zimbabwe which recently passed a law to conduct wide spread surveillance or receive recognition as being a law abiding country which has room for differing opinions and a thriving media? Can anyone expect any cautious investor to invest in Zimbabwe with enthusiasm given such negative publicity:
"HARARE (Reuters) - Zimbabwe's President Robert Mugabe has signed into law an act enabling state security agents to monitor phone lines, mail and the Internet, a government notice published on Friday said." http://africa.reuters.com/top/news/usnBAN436752.html
compare this to the following international media reports which recognise that we have come a long way from a time when freedoms were often suppressed and attacked but which are also cognisant that we're not perfect:
"The media has had greater freedom under Kibaki than during the 24-year rule of his predecessor Daniel arap Moi, when reporters were routinely harassed and sometimes tortured."
http://africa.reuters.com/country/KE/news/usnL15846976.html
According to an insider Member of Parliament and former VP, it is apparent the government has possibly breached its ability to be trusted, though his opinions will likely be attacked as the opinions of yet another politician, the opinion piece is worth reading. The 5 Ds strategy of government was rather intriguing: http://allafrica.com/stories/200708150788.html
Peaceful demonstrations are recognised the world over for achieving positive results the world over. Countries which have had open societies for many decades or centuries support the right to peacefully and lawfully demonstrate, to attack this fundamental and constitutionally protected right sends the wrong message about the country we live in.
Just to illustrate a recent parallel, a few weeks back, legal high skilled immigrants in the US engaged in various forms of peaceful demos from sending flowers to peaceful marches. The result was that a mere minority of the US work population 0.07% managed to reverse a terrible government decision by making the impact of the government's actions known and understood:
The actions:
http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/content/jul2007/db20070713_68755...
The results:
http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/content/jul2007/db20070717_92308...
In both cases, the legislative bodies failed to perform, in one case failing to pass a bill and in the other "sneaking" in a constitutionally debatable clause into a bill and passing it by a less than a 50% quorum. Had those affected in both countries kept quiet, it is likely they would have gone on to become the victims of legislative bodies that did seem keen on listening without them being vocal. This is what democracy is about, a thriving democracy is key to the country to being seen positively as an investment and business destination.
On 8/16/07, Alex Gakuru wrote:
--- Benjamin Makai wrote:
as we strive towards being an outsourcing destinations, demos dont reflect very well. We should try to minimize or totally avoid them and enter into meaningful dialog where possible.
You would not be suggesting that as we strive to achieve outsourcing destination all else totally stops? As for dialog - to me this demo was about journalists raising the conscience of our hard-working nation to reform and chance the ways of the political culture of breaking long dialog and hard-earned promises. That's all really.
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