On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 9:22 AM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:

There is much FUD in this post indeed.

To the gentleman bandying around 'Sharia Law'. Banning DSTV does not Sharia law make.

Any decent lawyer can make short work of this 'declaration' as it is patently illegal. Kenyans have a constitutional right to assemble. The cleric, and SUPKEM have no authority to interfere with the operations of DSTV. They have no authority to control what is watched or played in private businesses. In fact the only way that declaration would hold is if the cleric or SUPKEM owned the spots in question.

As for the constitution, there is no provision either in the current constitution or the new draft constitution for any such absurdities.

On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 9:14 AM, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> wrote:

Dear Emmanuel,

There is a very clear difference between a chief's proclamation - or read, a
"Govt - (which is
to an extend been set up through popular will)and laws imposed through
religious fundamentalism
under flimsy excuses.

Now, while it's got everything to do with the current constitution ( though
I do not have any
idea under which chapters these proclamations were meted out, I also believe
such moves coming
while we are trying to piece together a new one, might be a signal to things
to come.Infact,it
could mean things could only get worse under the new one.

Governance, through popular will is duty-bound to protect the very basic of
rights - for all..

Harry

-----Original Message-----
From: emmanuel.khisa@kadet.co.ke [mailto:emmanuel.khisa@kadet.co.ke]
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 7:48 AM
To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke
Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions'

Subject: Re: [kictanet] Red Card for the Sheikhs

Did I miss some news?

I thought what I happened in North Eastern (Mandera) to be specific was a
decree that even the Kenyan chief's proclaim from time to time in
"Christian" Kenya. When this happens it affects both Christian and Muslim
youth alike.

I am bound to be corrected but this is happening not under the new
Constitution but the current one and so my question is what has it got to do
with the new constitution? What has it got to do with the Kadhi's courts or
any of those parts being contested?

I really think that as reasonable and kind Christ followers, we must ask
ourselves, what's Christ do?

Regards,

Emmanuel
PS: The views expressed here are my own..

> -------Original Message-------
> From: Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke>
> To: emmanuel.khisa@kadet.co.ke
> Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Red Card for the Sheikhs
> Sent: Apr 26 '10 22:26
>
> You mean, there is something called Sharia law, in this country...???
>
> Last time I checked, it's the kind of law applied and dictated by
> fundamentalists upon hapless citizenry, with no regard whatsoever
> for the very basic of basic human rights..
>
> So, who is fooling who..? Next thing, internet will be outlawed in
> that section of the nation. Who knows where next. And this is at a
> time we working to open up space and bridge the national divide.
> Time to smell coffee...
>
> Harry
>
>
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> [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke]
> ON BEHALF OF S.Murigi Muraya
> SENT: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 1:09 AM
> TO: harry@comtelsys.co.ke
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> SUBJECT: Re: [kictanet] Red Card for the Sheikhs
>
>
> Please note Article 24 Subsection 4 of our soon to be new
> constitution limits how the Bill of Rights may apply to the one
> religion the Kenyan state is funding with the approval of Kenyans who
vote YES!
>
> Of course the Kenyan media is too busy slandering Churches to point
> this out.
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 12:52 AM, Wainaina Mungai <[LINK:
> mailto:wainaina@madeinkenya.org] wainaina@madeinkenya.org> wrote:
> The recent move by Muslim Sheikhs to enforce Sharia Law, outlaw DSTV,
> video dens & related activities in Mandera could not have come at a
> more unfortunate time. The support they have received from SUPREM
> (Supreme Council of Kenya Muslims) further complicates the debate on
> the "continued" inclusion of Kadhi Courts in our Constitution.
>
> Now that the SUPKEM has proved to support such apparent 'treason' in
> my secular nation, President Kibaki and Prime Minister Odinga must
> also commit to ensuring that religion and religious courts are omitted
> from the new constitution. That is the pact they must sign with the NO
> campaign if a YES vote is to sail through without question. No
> religion, especially fundamentalist Islam, should enjoy the privileges
> of my hard-earned taxes to propagate religious activities that may
> disintegrate into such treasonable actions as by the Sheikhs.
>
> My vote would easily change to a resounding "NO" unless I am assured
> by the Constitution that no Sheikh or Buddist monk, Hindu priest or
> Christian cleric will get away with the absurd audacity of attempting
> to determine where I watch my Supersport matches, what I drink as I do
> so; where and what I can smoke or drink in an independent secular
> KENYA.
>
> No religion should 'get it twisted' on its place in secular Kenya and
> no loopholes should allow Sheikhs or SUPKEM to get away with such
> treasonable actions.
>
> Regards,
> Wainaina
>
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