Hi Andrea I can insult you in ways you will never understand or appreciate but half of those on the list will, so please lets keep to the issues at hand and stop trying to belittle the rest of us. You are definitely over 24 years of age so please accept that fact as neither you no I can do anything about it. In my post I clearly indicted that you and I are beyond the "use by date" in as far as developing a radical technology based innovation is concerned. We might make brilliant parents and grand parents, we have the experience of age that no one can take away from us but we must acknowledge the facts on the ground and stop behaving like the Chama Cha Mapinduzi Youth Wing whose 50 year old chairman kept holding onto the post by changing the definition of the term Youth. Nyerere finally put the issue to rest as I would like to here, youth is a factor of age, period. Regards PS. A wise Matatu Makanga retort "hunilipii kodi kwa hivio tabu yako namimi ni nini?" a translation for your sake Andrea "You do not pay my rent , so what's your beef with me?" Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From: Andrea Bohnstedt <andrea.bohnstedt@ratio-magazine.com> To: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Wed, 15 June, 2011 12:03:32 Subject: Re: [kictanet] 24! Your dead in the water Robert, there are plenty of people above the age of 24 who make a mark in society, not just in ICT, but in many other sectors as well - they probably just don't have time to chitchat on an ICT mailing list all day long. Financiers, coaches, managers are an important part of the system. It's a bit difficult to get anything off the ground without managers and financiers. And not everyone is a good entrepreneur. Plus a country full of entrepreneurs and no employees to be employed in those fantastic companies they are going to create would be a bit pointless, no? Happy day everyone. Gotta scoot and do some work to keep my employees busy :) Andrea On 15 June 2011 11:16, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: Hi,
It seems my comment about those older than 24 to give up on making a mark in society, apart from political, touched a raw nerve.
Please do not get disillusioned the following avenues still exist for you;
1. Become an angel investor to the under 24 year old's (Google received US $100,000/-, do the ROI) 2. Mentor and/or incubate the under 24 year old's (Sam please share) 3. Encourage and motivate your children, nephews and nieces who are under 16 years to take up development (Mark Zuckerberg was writing serious code he had taught himself when he was only 9 years old & turned down a job offers from AOL & Microsoft when he was in high school, - what is your 9 year old doing?)
Even as old as we are we still can be part of the next big non-political revolution so long as we accept the fact that we shall be ball "boys", coaches, managers, financiers and onlookers but not player on the pitch which is why I continue to campaign for the post of Post Master General, king of snail mail.
FYI: Mark Zuckerberg is another one in the long line including Bill Gates, Microsoft owner, and Steve Jobs, Apple CEO and largest shareholder of Disney. These guys keep reinforcing the myth that college graduates become employees in companies owned by college dropouts, who become billionaires.
Rather than becoming dependable citizens looking for jobs, people like Mark Zuckerberg believe in becoming deviants, who go on to create jobs, and possess the cheek to do so without inheriting big bank accounts. One Mark Zuckerberg is sufficient to set millions of kids dreaming and doing awful damage to the tenets of civilized society, as we know it. Good boys should go through college, study as much as they can, and lose as much of their originality as they can, to become solid dependable workers for our industrial system. People like Mark Zuckerberg , just by their existence, incite others to think, something that has always been disapproved by good society, starting with the burning of Copernicus.
http://www.clevelcrossing.com/article/900107/Mark-Zuckerberg-Facebook-Owner-...
Regards
PS. Do despair, in so long as developing that killer up is concerned but be re-energised by the other prevailing opportunities.
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To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Tue, 14 June, 2011 12:11:13 Subject: Re: [kictanet] kictanet Digest, Vol 49, Issue 48
Ory, we all know women can multi-task *much* better than guys :)
On 14 June 2011 11:24, Ory Okolloh <ookolloh@gmail.com> wrote:
Re radical ideas and kids.
Mzalendo grew and went live when I was pregnant with my first child, Ushahidi was born when I had a 10 month old and I quit my job to build the organization behind it when I had another on the way, expecting number 3 after recently joining Google and I'm sure I will continue to have new ideas there :-)
Ory
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I confirm my attendance.
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Listers, My mistake on the date of this event. Veneue is the same tomorrow the 15th of June and not the 16th.
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confirmed, will attend Andrew
On Tuesday, 14 June 2011, Suraj Shah <suraj@surajshah.co.ke> wrote:
I would like to attend. ?Thanks
Suraj Shah Corporate Affairs Manager Intel
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Please let us have confirmations on the list. ?They will respond to you directly. ?I will not involve myself with the details of this invite.
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I must challenge you there Robert. What do rent and kids have to do with creativity, drive and passion? Jonathan Ive, the principal designer of the iMac, titanium and aluminum PowerBook G4, MacBook, unibody MacBook Pro, iPod, iPhone, and iPad has a wife and two kids. Twins. Doesn't seem to have slowed him down any.
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 12:26 PM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Hi The first step is to have a passion for what you want to do, then identify
a problem that needs solving and solve it all for the fun and passion of it not the money.
Mariga, Ronaldo and the rest of the ilk first played soccer for the fun and passion of the game the scouts, enforcements and money then followed. Regards PS. I was recently reminded that once you have rent to pay your ability to do anything new diminishes exponentially and once the kids come along forget about coming up with any radical, industry changing application or business concept. If the idea was not incubated when you where in high school or campus then join the large band of IT vendors as the other train has left.
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
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________________________________ From: Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> To: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Mon, 13 June, 2011 9:01:18 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya's "Silicon Savannah" to challenge India on IT
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 8:29 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
This will give you an insight into how we can go from being a talk shop
and baby cries and get down to doing some serious productive work.
Without fear I will repeat what I commented previously "money follows great ideas; period". I also like a comment from a Google employee, in one of the documentaries, "Google is an extension of college"
What's the first step?
-- With Regards,
Phares Kariuki
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