Excuse the ignorance - because I don't know much about the tech - so if these are stupid questions feel free to educate me What happens to foreigners and expats who come into the country with roaming phones to do business as regards to this system? What happens to people who move here to work and have phones they have brought from outside that they are now using on airtel or safaricom networks? (and I'm not talking about dodgy phones, I'm talking about genuine phones made by Samsung, apple, Huawei, etc) After all - the sim cards are registered to a particular person - so if they choose to use that sim card in a legitimate phone that they legitimately acquired before they arrived - why shouldn't they be able to? Andrew From: kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+andrew.alston=liquidtelecom.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Wambua, Christopher via kictanet Sent: 18 February 2017 17:46 To: Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com> Cc: Wambua, Christopher <Wambua@ca.go.ke>; CPA <CPA@ca.go.ke>; Karungu, P J <karungu@ca.go.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Press Statement By CA on DMS - rev 1.doc Importance: High Sidney, Be assured that the system will not be misused. CA will have in and out access to the DMS. Nobody will have powers to edit the whitelist. As we indicated earlier, the whitelist will be created from three sources: * New handsets that have been imported into Kenya and declared to KRA * New handsets that have been type approved by CA * IMEI list from GSMA IMEIs of handsets that have met these criteria, will be captured on the DMS. When the handset is purchased and switched on, the DMS will transfer the information or data to the whitelist. Any IMEI in the whitelist cannot be edited out. CA will use the out access for statistical purposes only. I hope this clears the air on this matter. Regards Wambua From: Sidney Ochieng <sidney.ochieng@gmail.com<mailto:sidney.ochieng@gmail.com>> Date: Saturday, February 18, 2017 at 1:59 PM To: KICTAnet Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>> Cc: Christoper Wambua <wambua@ca.go.ke<mailto:wambua@ca.go.ke>>, "CPA@ca.go.ke<mailto:CPA@ca.go.ke>" <CPA@ca.go.ke<mailto:CPA@ca.go.ke>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Press Statement By CA on DMS - rev 1.doc Wambua, It's not that I don't trust the CA, I don't trust that these devices will not be misused to block phones in certain regions particularly as the elections roll around. These devices could be used by entities that aren't CA. I'd like some assurances that this won't happen. One way to do this would be go further in explaining how these devices will be installed, used, who has power to edit this whitelist, how it'll be secured and how quickly it can be altered. On 18 Feb 2017 12:59, "Wambua, Christopher via kictanet" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>> wrote: Listers, CA has no interested in snooping on your private communication. What would we gain from that! We are not a law enforcement agency in the strict sense of the word. The system is a central database containing models of all type approved (by CA) and genuine mobile devices (GSMA), and handsets imported legally into the Country (KRA) and a blacklist of stolen handsets. The mobile networks will query this database before providing service in microseconds. Phones and devices that do not meet the cut will be denied service. In brief that's how the system works. In respect to privacy, CA has imposed a licence condition on all service providers to respect the privacy of users as one of the mechanisms of promoting consumer welfare. Listers should therefore rest assured that privacy of services users at the heart of our regulatory work. Sent from my iPhone On 18 Feb 2017, at 11:48, Anderson Levi <anderson.levi@gmail.com<mailto:anderson.levi@gmail.com>> wrote: You can't fool all of the people all of the time. On 18 Feb 2017 11:10, "Odhiambo Washington via kictanet" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>> wrote: On 17 February 2017 at 14:31, Alwala, Rachel via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>> wrote: Hello Listers. Please see the statement from CA regarding the Device Management System that is under deployment. We hope listers shall objectively engage and seek to understand what the regulator is doing in the interest of the public. Media reports on this were misleading, but be rest assured we shall continue to engage all stakeholders so that they can be in full picture. Regards, Rachel Okiya Omtata will save us from this CA mischief. It's mischief whichever way you look at it. See, between blacklisting unregistered numbers used on the networks and 'counterfeit' devices, which one is more urgent? Counterfeit devices use SIM cards, but it's the SIM cards that can be registered to citizens and be traced. Why not just ask the MNOs to effect the regulation barring unregistered SIM cards and let Kenyans be? Counterfeits come in through the borders (Port, Airports) where KRA and Police are complicit in 'eating' an letting them pass! Another thing, CA should have notified Kenyans that this was in the works, and should have been transparent enough to publish its capabilities. It did not. So, the force with which the DG is going about this only reeks of an (quiet) executive order that he and his board can't brush off, especially when it's tagged with 'national security' label. This device will be used to spy on people, block their devices, block mobile communications the way M7 and others did. Let's sit and watch, but I still hope Omtatah and the Judiciary will save Kenyans. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft." _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Twitter: http://twitter.com/kictanet Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/KICTANet/ Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/anderson.levi%40gmail.... 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