Hi all,Hpe u had a good weekend. Today is day 6 of 10, but the theme is still on legal issues.I still cant believe the learned friends have not spoken and left everything to Alex and Mike. If any of you runs into Evelyn R., Kihanya J., Omo J. or Clara R. just to mention a few, ask them if they can give us a shout without us having to 'open a file'We have only today for this since tomorrow we move into the Economic Issues to be facilitated by a renowned IG expert to be unveiled in due course.walu.--- On Sat, 8/16/08, Alex Gakuru <alex.gakuru@yahoo.com> wrote:From: Alex Gakuru <alex.gakuru@yahoo.com>Subject: Re: [kictanet] Day 5 of 10: IG Discussions, Legal IssuesTo: jwalu@yahoo.comCc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>Date: Saturday, August 16, 2008, 11:17 AMG8 links!The introduction to this topic was on the presumption thatconsumers were the criminals proceeding to outline lawenforcement challenges. The most convenient and common formof misrepresenting cyber crimes and law -- first take awayall their rights then they struggle to regain one after theother... It is good that Mike presents both sides of thestory.Telecommunication companies hold massive data on allindividuals and they ensure that their on their "Termsof Use" and contracts users are "guilty untilproven innocent" and the companies are at liberty to dowhatever they please with our personal data.Consider below extract from a local telecommunicationcompany's Terms of Use: -------------5. Use of your information(The Company) may hold and use information provided by youfor a number of purposes, which may include:(a) Carrying out any activity in connection with a legal,governmental or regulatory requirement on (The Company) inconnection with legal proceedings or in respect of crime orfraud prevention, detection or prosecution.(b) Monitoring or recording of your communications for (TheCompany)’s business purposes such as marketing, qualitycontrol and training, prevention of unauthorised use of(The Company)’s telecommunications system and ensuringeffective systems operation in order to prevent or detectcrime.---------"May include" does not mean "limitedto" - implying that they are allowed, for example, toshare, sell, etc private data to their partners... Exactlywhat Mike points out to on the Business Week link.Framed in ways suggestive of company "lawenforcer" (illegal roles) onto "guilty"users. Notice how "Intellectual Property" isconveniently repeated. Or is it be assumed that consumers donot have any "intellectual property" they wouldwish protected? the companies should abide to also protect.BTW, There is an IGF Dynamic Coalition movement calling fora balance between Intellectual Property and developmentwhich includes Access to Knwoledge(A2K).<http://www.ipjustice.org>. Very resourceful!Supposing earlier proposed M-Medicine went ahead in EastAfrica? Sold ailments data to pharmaceutical companies, thatwould hike medicines prices in outbreak zones at selectedlocations... You go to a bank with a water-tight businessproposals and all bank turn you down. Reason? They haveshared your medical history and they think you will soon"sleep in the shamba" your excellent businessproposals notwithstanding.In summary, unless Data Protection and Privacy Laws areenacted, the default should be to deny all telecommunicationcompanies legal loophole to trade with personal information.And it should be seen to be enforced.On a lighter note, should I sue a WiFi company fortrespassing when their signals enter my laptop, or shouldthey sue me for illegally access of their signal? Over toBen Shihanya.Thanks again Mike!--- On Fri, 8/15/08, Mike Theuri<mike.theuri@gmail.com> wrote:From: Mike Theuri <mike.theuri@gmail.com>Subject: Re: [kictanet] Day 5 of 10: IG Discussions,Legal IssuesCc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions"Date: Friday, August 15, 2008, 2:11 PMNot a legal opinion: It would be very difficult toapplyexisting common law(analogous to jurisprudence) to electronic crimescommittedin a new era,atleast within the local context.For these reasons it is necessary to define the crimesunder distinct andseparate legislation. Due to the borderless nature oftheInternet (seeshared link), it is necessary for such legislation totakea broadapproach into account.For instance there ought to be provisions that allowlocalauthorities toseek the arrest and extradition of foreign basedsuspectsfrom otherjurisdictions for electronic crimes committed againstcitizens or localinfrastructure owned by individuals or entities eventhoughthe suspects atthe time of commission of the crime were present inotherjurisdictions.The same provision can allow private parties to pursuecivil remedies in asimilar matter and give them the basis where possibletoenforce thejudgement in the defendant's jurisdiction.This for example would close the possiblejurisdictionalloopholeof individuals crossing borders so as to commitelectroniccrimes from acountry that lacks electronic crime laws. Current lawisill equipped inensuring civil remedies, prosecution or arrest oflocal orinternationalcyber criminals, 419ers, lurers of minors, harassers,electronicallytransmitted or created threats (threats to a person,threats toinfrastructure by way of viruses, malaware, DoS etc)etcneither is itlikely to be in a position to ensure seriousconsequencesor deterents forthe same or allow for the definition of crimes asdistinguished here for aninternational gang of culprits:It was recently reported that a bill or regulations toprotect the data ofconsumers would be brought about as a means ofregulatingthe CRBs. Thiscould be model legislation/regulations to adopt toensurethat the publichas a say in the manner in which their privateinformationis used.At the same time consumers ought to be able toinstructcompanies with whomthey have business relationships with not to sharethatsame informationwith 3rd parties without their prior consent (ieopt-in/out). This is onlyeffective if there are laws or regulations to provideforconsequences whenbusinesses violate the same.As CRBs take root, there will be a likelihood thatsimilarbureaus orentities will eventually start sharing information inrealtime, for examplean underwriter of an insurance policy might want tocheckan individual'sclaim history across the industry to determine thelevel ofrisk the insuredposes in determining policy premiums. Similarly anorganization may want toconduct background checks for prospective employees inprivately maintainedelectronic databases.It is important that instead of regulations or lawsbeingformed for sectorsof the economy, that national data privacy laws andregulations be defined(or ammended) and on that basis refinement of specificregulations/lawscould be made for sectors that require specific datarequirements. Suchregulatory foresight can reduce or avert the occurenceofissues such asthose seen here:On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 12:21 AM, John Walubengo<jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:Mornings,Today and next Monday, we intend to thrash outthelegal dimensions ofInternet Governance. The typical issues revolvearound:-Jurisdiction & Arbitration (who resolvese-disputes)-Copyright & IPR (are they pro oranti-development?)-Privacy and Data Protection (how is thee-Citizensdata abused/protected?)I do hope the 'learned' friends will chipinsince I cannot pretend to bean expert here as I introduce the general legalprincipals. Basically,dispute resolutions can be done through,· Legislation;· Social norms (customs);· Self-regulation;· Regulation through code (softwaresolution);· Jurisprudence (court decisions);· International law.There is however two broad conflicting schools ofthought when it comes toresolving disputes occasioned by the Internet.Onegroup claims thatwhatever happens online does have an equivalent'off-line' characteristicsand as such existing laws can easily be applied.E.gstealing moneyelectronically is no different from stealingmoneyphysically and so Robberycharges and subsequent jurisdictional procedurescouldapply. However, thesecond group feels that electronic crimes have atotally different contextand must have a separate and totally new set oflegislation or methodologiesfor resolutions.The borderless nature of the Internet brings toforethe Challenges ofJurisdiction and Arbitration as inyesterday'sexample, where content in onecountry may be illegal but is legal in another.Copyright and IntellectualProperty Rights issues are also explosive asdemonstrated by the NapsterCase, where some young software engineers createdsoftware that facilitatedsharing of (SONY) Music files across theInternet.Also related was the caseof Amazon.com trying to Patent the'single-click' method of buying goodsonline.Other cases touch on Data Privacy where BusinessCompanies have been knownto sell customer records to Marketing firmswithoutexpress authority fromthe Customers. Other times customer data issimplyhacked into andBusinesses are unable to own up (going public) tothedetriment of theCustomer.Most of these issues are under discussioninternationally at the InternetGovernance Forum (IGF), World IntellectualPropertyOrganization (WIPO)amongst other fora. They present emerging legalchallenges and it would beinteresting to know if stakeholders in the EastAfrican region are/should beinvolved in shaping the outcomes of any of theseissues.2days on this one, today and next Monday and feelfreeto belatedly respondto Day 1 through Day 5 issues.References:_______________________________________________kictanet mailing listThis message was sent to: mike.theuri@gmail.comUnsubscribe or change your options at_______________________________________________kictanet mailing listThis message was sent to: alex.gakuru@yahoo.comUnsubscribe or change your options at_______________________________________________kictanet mailing listThis message was sent to: jwalu@yahoo.comUnsubscribe or change your options at_______________________________________________kictanet mailing listThis message was sent to: brian@caret.netUnsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/brian%40caret.net