Kai, That was and remains a smart strategy. The truth is we can never get rid of satelite technology, we can only reduce its reliance as it will stil continue to serve the maginalised areas where it might take ages to roll out fibre. So my question is; What would have motivated some operators to sign contract with satelite companies for such a long duration, taking into account the fast changing glogal trends? I may be wrong, but such arrangements could have been intentional and personalised, hence should be scrutinised by the regulator. Akich Kwach ----- Original Message ----- From: kai wulff To: kwach@archway-productions.com Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 5:48 AM Subject: Re: [kictanet] TEAMS and Open ended circuit KDN had about 1000Mbps on Sat with contracts that were month to month. We retained approx. 250Mbps for redundancy (we could have dropped it but decided we need a plan B just in case). I don’t think that anybody can hold us hostage … Kai Von: kictanet-bounces+kai.wulff=kdn.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+kai.wulff=kdn.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] Im Auftrag von S.Murigi Muraya Gesendet: Friday, October 09, 2009 00:02 An: kai.wulff@kdn.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Betreff: Re: [kictanet] TEAMS and Open ended circuit Why has KDN been able to lower their Internet prices by 90%? Is it that they do not have 25 year contracts with the satellite companies that are holding us hostage? Walubengo J wrote: Robert, I am glad you liked the predictions I made last year about internet service costs. I am sure you might also like my suggested price-reduction mechanisms I am making this year @ http://www.strathmore.edu/pdf/ict09/affordable_ict.pdf Unfortunately nobody listens to Academicians in these parts of the world - no wonder most lecturers abandon classroom to become politicians...so that someone can listen to them ;-). What's more I get worried when I look at some of the approaches and strategies the regulator CCK has proposed as a way of containing Tariffs (including internet pricing?) from Operators (Licensees). But since I am not an Operator, I will leave it for the Operators to present their case...but they will be hard-pressed to explain whey they should not be considered biased...cant wait for that stakeholders meeting. As for the PS to apologise...he is of age to decide for himself. But he could learn from that Politician who had promised us a Constitution in 100days. He didnt deny it - he just clarified that the days were not consecutive days ;-). And so it is the same with the internet costs. Prices will indeed come down as promised. But obviously not tomorrow. regards. walu. --- On Thu, 10/8/09, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: From: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Subject: Re: [kictanet] TEAMS and Open ended circuit To: "Walubengo J" <jwalu@yahoo.com> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Thursday, October 8, 2009, 12:27 PM Hi, I finally got a chance to look through the presentation you sent me concerning the marine cable issue, which was comprehensive. My suggestion is that you call all the ISPs and give them this presentation so that they can stop, once and for all, passing the buck for failing the Nation and keeping us in the stone age of connectivity. From the presentation it is clear that the marine cable on its own was not the panacea for high internet charges and slow connectivity, we did not understand that the model for Internet access in the US cannot be applied in countries outside that continent as the bulk of the content is resident in the US . For a long time, over 12 years ago when I wrote an article for an IT magazine that was called Micro Computer Guide, I was called the village madman for advocating about the need to develop local content. I was incensed by the action by the then Karisa Communications (Makatiani & Ngeno) later AfricaOnline to shut down their bulleting board based service to provide us with the so called Internet connection yet we where on the right track as we created local content out of necessity. Today I believe I stand exonerated as ISP’s finally confirm that the marine cable is not going to bring down the cost of Internet access, you wonder why we have wasted the past 3 years singing its praises. I say PS Ndemo, in his personal capacity and on behalf of all the agencies under his ministry (ICT board, e-government, CCK & other), owes the country an apology for taking us on a wild goose chase. PS Ndemo the creation of local content falls smack in your docket and I have said this before all the government has to do is digitize all those reports in their possession beginning with the constitution, sessional papers, census, exam results, list of village polytechnics and the presidents diary then we can all move from their. Again thanks Walubengo. Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 --- On Fri, 2/10/09, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote: From: Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] TEAMS and Open ended circuit To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Friday, 2 October, 2009, 8:32 AM McTim, Kai, I can bet you have confused more than shedding light on this issue. But I cant blame you. It's not something one can explain in two or three emails. Typcially its a full-semester course issue... but here could be some highlights. http://www.strathmore.edu/pdf/ictc-08/internet-interconnection-model.pdf walu. --- On Fri, 10/2/09, McTim <dogwallah@gmail.com> wrote: > From: McTim <dogwallah@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] TEAMS and Open ended circuit > To: jwalu@yahoo.com > Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> > Date: Friday, October 2, 2009, 10:28 AM > Hi Robert, > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 8:48 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> > wrote: > > > > For a while I wondered why the TEAMS cable has not > gone hot yet it landed over 2 weeks ago, yesterday I got the > answer. > > > > The headline in the newpaper story indicated that > Jamii, a partner in the TEAMS project had finally connected > to Europe from Fujaira, which sounded a little strange. > Where did the fibre cable terminate to when it got to > Fujaira? > > > > SEA-ME-WE-3 and SEA-ME-WE-4 and FLAG all land in > Fujiarah. I assume > there is a central landing station, with links to EMIX at > that > physical location. > > > > > > What this statement would suggest is that the > termination in Fujaira does not actually connect into the > Internet backbone but is actually an "open end" from where > the providers must find a carrier, read IPOP, to get them > onto the Internet. > > > > That's what I got from the newspaper articles as well. > > > > > > Maybe I do not understand this Internet connectivity > issue, but taking an analogy that if Kenya Power connect > electricity to my house (before which hopefully I had > already wired the inside of the house for lights, sockets > and cookers) the minute then the minute I flick a switch a > light will come on (subject to power rationing schedule and > having bought and installed an energy saving bulb). > > The analogy is flawed. The power company is a service > provider, the > submarine cables are not providing Internet connectivity as > such. > > Power flows down a power line to your house,that's what you > consume. > > light flows down glass (Layer 1 and 2). Internet > Packets (Layer 3 and > higher) are encoded in this light. > > > > > Can someone out there familiar with fibre optic cable > termination shade some light on this issue for my benefit > and also many others out there. > > TEAMS cable carries light waves. The investors in > TEAMS have the > right to this capacity. ISPs have to buy transit > (their Internet > access) from other providers(or peer with lots of other > players). As > an ISP on TEAMS, one has to either buy transit at some > location > (London, Amsterdam, New York, Hong Kong, wherever) and haul > it to > Fujairah, OR buy it in the UAE. > > Have no coffee in the house, so this might be confusing, > sorry. > > -- > Cheers, > > McTim > "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where > it is. A > route indicates how we get there." 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