Thank you Ali for being consistent with this.

CA's hold of KENIC is not helping the industry. What we should
advocate for very firmly is for community driven policy development
process, and have checks and balances in the process. Any community
member should be able to present a draft that is debated by all
stakeholders. The policy can then be ratified by the board or during
the AGM. If the policy is rejected, there can be a dispute resolution
mechanism where the contentious issues are presented to an independent
dispute board. This is the best practice the world over.
Denying the community a chance to give input is just plain canning
and should be condemned to the highest degree.

Let us continue to knock at the door and present these issues in all
our forums including the KENIC AGM year in, year out.

On 10/12/2014, Ali Hussein via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:

Thanks John.

Ali Hussein

+254 770 906375 / 0713 601113

Twitter: @AliHKassim

Skype: abu-jomo

LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim

Blog: www.alyhussein.com

"I fear the day technology will surpass human interaction. The world will

have a generation of idiots". ~ Albert Einstein

Sent from my iPad

On Dec 9, 2014, at 8:21 PM, John Kariuki <ngethe.kariuki2007@yahoo.co.uk>

wrote:

Ali,Listers,

Please review the concluding remarks of e-mail from Rose.I can confirm

that the drafters of the policy and law on the matter at that time had the

same in mind. That is ,if all fail, you have some fall-back.

John Kariuki

From: Ali Hussein via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>

To: ngethe.kariuki2007@yahoo.co.uk

Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>

Sent: Tuesday, 9 December 2014, 19:07

Subject: Re: [kictanet] Licensing Framework for .ke - This is a reminder

to get some response from CA, KENIC, DRAKE

Rose

Asante.

Regards

Ali Hussein

+254 770 906375 / 0713 601113

Twitter: @AliHKassim

Skype: abu-jomo

LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim

Blog: www.alyhussein.com

"I fear the day technology will surpass human interaction. The world will

have a generation of idiots". ~ Albert Einstein

Sent from my iPad

On Dec 9, 2014, at 12:54 PM, Rose Maghas <rose@gbc.co.ke> wrote:

Ali,

Sure let's take this offline. There is a lot we can achieve with this

framework. The fees is one time of Kshs 10,000/-

The Registrars shall be issued with an authorization upon fulfillment of

the above requirements and payment of a onetime registration fee of Kshs

10,000.

Regards,

Rose

From: Ali Hussein [mailto:ali@hussein.me.ke]

Sent: 09 December 2014 12:32

To: Rose Maghas

Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions; <rosemaghas@gmail.com>

Subject: Re: [kictanet] Licensing Framework for .ke - This is a reminder

to get some response from CA, KENIC, DRAKE

Rose

I appreciate your response albeit 11 days later. :)

As a founding member of DRAKE I'm concerned that the association of

Registrars is taking this lying down. I however will take this up with

you offline and see if there is a place for a contrary viewpoint on this.

I firmly believe that regulation is there to make things better and

provide an enabling environment for players to play.

Do we know what the fees for licensing are? This half-backed

implementation of a licensing framework doesn't auger well for the

sector.

Ali Hussein

+254 770 906375 / 0713 601113

Twitter: @AliHKassim

Skype: abu-jomo

LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim

Blog: www.alyhussein.com

"I fear the day technology will surpass human interaction. The world will

have a generation of idiots". ~ Albert Einstein

Sent from my iPad

On Dec 9, 2014, at 11:57 AM, Rose Maghas <rose@gbc.co.ke> wrote:

Dear Ali and all Listers,

If you look at the The Kenya Information And Communications Act Chapter

411A, specifically section 83D it states

83D. (1) No person shall--

(a) operate an electronic certification system; or

(b) update a repository or administer a sub-domain in the Kenya country

top level domain (.ke ccTLD);

except in accordance with a licence granted under this Act.

For implementation of the Act , it therefore requires that if registrars

are going to administer the domains by way of being the admin contact,

they do require to be licensed.

Now to go specifically to the questions you raised:

1. Shouldn't the CA/KeNIC simply have informed Registrars on the new

licensing framework etc.? This is a simple matter. KeNIC has all the

contacts (through DRAKE) of the Registrars. Better still, wouldn't it be

even a better idea to convene a meeting where we are all taken through

the new regime? Can this new framework be shared via email to all

interested parties?

I cannot speak for CA or KENIC. However the "ccTLD consultation Paper on

Licensing Framework" that was sent out in January by Christopher Wambua

had an item on licensing of registrars under item no. 4.2 and I quote

"4.2.Dot KE Subdomain Name Registrars

Dot KE ccTLD subdomain Registrars shall be required to obtain a licence

from the Commission as a requirement for accreditation from the Dot KE

ccTLD and

subdomains Registry to provide Dot KE ccTLD subdomain Registrar

services."

2. What is DRAKE's official position on this?

Having read through the document and participated as a stakeholder, DRAKE

does support the implementation of the same.

3. As a Registrar the first thing that comes to mind is this:-

Are we not complicating and putting barriers for businesses to sell .ke

domains by requiring them to be licensed by CA? Isn't it enough that the

Registry is now being licensed and that the Registry vets Registrars? How

are we going to grow .ke if we now have to troop to CA every year?

I stand corrected but I have NEVER required to be licensed by CA or ICANN

to sell .ug, .tz, .com .net etc. Is it just me or is there something more

to this than meets the eye?

I believe with this kind of framework, we can demand more from both CA

and KENIC and we know that if KENIC fails we have CA to whom we can

require and demand both the right policies and environment to enhance our

domain registration business.

Regards,

Rose Maghas

DRAKE Chairperson

0786 220001

From: kictanet

[mailto:kictanet-bounces+rosemaghas=gmail.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On

Behalf Of Ali Hussein via kictanet

Sent: 09 December 2014 10:30

To: rosemaghas@gmail.com

Subject: Re: [kictanet] Licensing Framework for .ke - This is a reminder

to get some response from CA, KENIC, DRAKE

To CA, KENIC, DRAKE and other stakeholders

I'm really curious that something as important as this has gone

unanswered by you. What are we to make of this?

.

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